From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 14:41:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05136 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:41:26 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA15248; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:05:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA27766 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 12:50:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA27707 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 12:50:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-133.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.133]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19348 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <372DEFA7.92BB0B5E@tymeportal.com> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 14:49:11 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: lapel sizing References: <199905030444.UAA03821@zeus.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah ok, I have a question, I am replicating a 1940's uniform for a client, who's stature is NOT of that of those enlisted in "the day" he's 6'4" and of course, being a re-enactor, cannot find the apparel in his size. my question is....as the sizes of that time get larger, do the lapels also increase a bit in size? I hope someone can help me querry this out, as it sounds like such a stupid question to me (yes, there IS such a thing as a stupid question -- I'm hoping I don't have to slap myself when I receive an "obvious" answer) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 14:53:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05243 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:53:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA16626; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:17:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA00648 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:03:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id NAA00631 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:03:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA29412 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:00:09 -0400 Message-ID: <003101be9598$049cb8e0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: H-COST: Strange request Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:06:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" If anyone is selling (e-bay or elsewhere) nifty gauze LONG SLEEVE shirts (women's) for relatively good prices, please, please let me know so I can see them... I have run across an interesting quandry... due to medical reasons, I cannot be outside in the sun without long sleeves and skirts/pants... not a problem until it gets warm... but I am looking for long sleeves that are relatively cool... and I really don't have time to make them... so if anyone is selling any, please let me know. Thanks. Sarah *****now back to your regularly scheduled conversation****** _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 15:07:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05362 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:07:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA18978; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:31:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA05156 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:17:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id NAA05012 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:16:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.19.1.35] ([172.19.1.35]) by mail.cho.org; Mon, 03 May 1999 12:16:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <372DEFA7.92BB0B5E@tymeportal.com> References: <199905030444.UAA03821@zeus.directcon.net> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:15:04 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: H-COST: lapel sizing Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lynn Downward >-Poster: Anah > > > >ok, I have a question, I am replicating a 1940's uniform for a client, >who's stature is NOT of that of those enlisted in "the day" he's 6'4" >and of course, being a re-enactor, cannot find the apparel in his size. > >my question is....as the sizes of that time get larger, do the lapels >also increase a bit in size? > >I hope someone can help me querry this out, as it sounds like such a >stupid question to me (yes, there IS such a thing as a stupid question >-- I'm hoping I don't have to slap myself when I receive an "obvious" >answer) Not exactly my expertise, but military uniforms tend to run in the same style as a very conventional business suit of the time, whether 1875 or 1945. Any other takers? LynnD _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 15:10:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05391 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:10:11 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA19272; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:33:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA05738 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:18:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sight.vcn.com (sight.vcn.com [208.162.240.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA05571 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:18:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from unknown (vcn21.usr-tc1.gill.wy.vcn.com [208.162.249.81]) by sight.vcn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 19C88F5190; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:18:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <372DEFA7.92BB0B5E@tymeportal.com> References: Conversation <199905030444.UAA03821@zeus.directcon.net> with last message <372DEFA7.92BB0B5E@tymeportal.com> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Frank&Tracy Thallas JR" Subject: Re: H-COST: lapel sizing Date: Mon, 03 May 99 13:20:33 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id PAA05391 Status: O -Poster: "Frank&Tracy Thallas JR" No absolute knowledge on this one, but an observation: my father was 6'6", and was in the USMC in WWII. There are no pics of him in his uniform blouse (the jacket part), but photos in civilian suits show lapels proportioned to the suit.... Liadain > ok, I have a question, I am replicating a 1940's uniform for a client, > who's stature is NOT of that of those enlisted in "the day" he's 6'4" > and of course, being a re-enactor, cannot find the apparel in his size. > > my question is....as the sizes of that time get larger, do the lapels > also increase a bit in size? > > I hope someone can help me querry this out, as it sounds like such a > stupid question to me (yes, there IS such a thing as a stupid question > -- I'm hoping I don't have to slap myself when I receive an "obvious" > answer) > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 15:10:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05422 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:10:26 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA19340; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:34:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA06008 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:19:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id NAA05747 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:18:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.19.1.35] ([172.19.1.35]) by mail.cho.org; Mon, 03 May 1999 12:18:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003101be9598$049cb8e0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:17:32 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: H-COST: NOT SO Strange request Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lynn Downward >-Poster: "Sarah Toney" > >If anyone is selling (e-bay or elsewhere) nifty gauze LONG SLEEVE shirts >(women's) for relatively good prices, please, please let me know so I can >see them... I have run across an interesting quandry... due to medical >reasons, I cannot be outside in the sun without long sleeves and >skirts/pants... not a problem until it gets warm... but I am looking for >long sleeves that are relatively cool... and I really don't have time to >make them... so if anyone is selling any, please let me know. > >Thanks. >Sarah > >*****now back to your regularly scheduled conversation****** > Last time I checked in Cost Plus - or was it Pier 1?- they had Indian import gauze shirts for sale. Just a thought but: Would gauze be protection from the sun for you? My very fair-skinned husband can get a sunburn through an old shirt, if he's in the sun long enough. LynnD _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 15:21:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05539 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:21:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA21299; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:44:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA10023 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:30:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id NAA10002 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:30:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA29635 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:27:28 -0400 Message-ID: <004401be959b$d5d92580$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: NOT SO Strange request Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:33:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" >Just a thought but: Would gauze be protection from the sun for you? My >very fair-skinned husband can get a sunburn through an old shirt, if he's >in the sun long enough. I'm not sure... see, I usually burn instantly anyway... I still have scars from 2nd degree burns I got a few years ago in Texas (fell asleep on the beach)... but, with the meds, I'm not sure... I just can't truly bear the thought of wearing heavier long sleeves all summer... especially working in an office with no AC. ;-) Thanks for the advice, though! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 15:31:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05639 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:31:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA23307; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:55:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA13618 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:41:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA13564 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-133.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.133]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05402 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <372DFB71.CB930E25@tymeportal.com> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:39:29 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: lapel sizing References: Conversation <199905030444.UAA03821@zeus.directcon.net> with last message <372DEFA7.92BB0B5E@tymeportal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah Frank&Tracy Thallas JR wrote: > > -Poster: "Frank&Tracy Thallas JR" > > No absolute knowledge on this one, but an observation: > my father was 6'6", and was in the USMC in WWII. There are no pics > of him in his uniform blouse (the jacket part), but photos in civilian suits > show lapels proportioned to the suit.... makes sense, yes, BUT men of larger stature weren't as common as they are now, am I wrong? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 15:40:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05690 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:40:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA25329; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:04:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA16485 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:49:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA16472 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:49:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cc1010062a ([24.3.134.203]) by mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990503194932.XUGQ16376.mail.rdc1.nj.home.com@cc1010062a> for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 12:49:32 -0700 From: To: Subject: RE: H-COST: NOT SO Strange request Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:46:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000601be959d$9821ab20$cb860318@avnl1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <004401be959b$d5d92580$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sarah Toney -Poster: "Sarah Toney" >Just a thought but: Would gauze be protection from the sun for you? My >very fair-skinned husband can get a sunburn through an old shirt, if he's >in the sun long enough. >I'm not sure... see, I usually burn instantly anyway... I still have scars >from 2nd degree burns I got a few years ago in Texas (fell asleep on the >beach)... but, with the meds, I'm not sure... I just can't truly bear the >thought of wearing heavier long sleeves all summer... especially working in >an office with no AC. ;-) >Thanks for the advice, though! For sunburn protection, you'll need a tightly woven material. Loosely woven material will allow the "bad rays" through the cracks. You wouldn't think it could add up to too much...but it can :\ From experience, your best bet is something in a tightly woven "twill". They are lightweight in the sense of a gauze, but they do come in lighter weights and will give you maximum protection ... it's material like this that "safari and desert" clothes are made of..and for a reason...protection from sun etc.. Also, try to keep them in light colors like whites, tans or pastels, since they reflect the heating rays more. That's why black is so awful to wear in the summer...it soaks up the heat. I don't know of anyone on Ebay with stuff like this...but most Ren Garb dealers would be able to make something nice for you. Kyna Grannd Garb _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 16:17:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06115 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:17:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA25555; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:05:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA16876 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sight.vcn.com (sight.vcn.com [208.162.240.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA16828 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:50:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from unknown (vcn21.usr-tc1.gill.wy.vcn.com [208.162.249.81]) by sight.vcn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 85171F51B4; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:50:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <372DFB71.CB930E25@tymeportal.com> References: Conversation <199905030444.UAA03821@zeus.directcon.net> with last message <372DFB71.CB930E25@tymeportal.com> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Frank&Tracy Thallas JR" Subject: Re: H-COST: lapel sizing Date: Mon, 03 May 99 13:53:12 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id QAA06115 Status: O -Poster: "Frank&Tracy Thallas JR" > > No absolute knowledge on this one, but an observation: > > my father was 6'6", and was in the USMC in WWII. There are no pics > > of him in his uniform blouse (the jacket part), but photos in civilian suits > > show lapels proportioned to the suit.... > > makes sense, yes, BUT men of larger stature weren't as common as they > are now, am I wrong? Probably not, at least statistically ...even today, men are more commonly between 5'8" and 6'. (My USMC son is also 6'4", and some of his uniform items have to be special-ordered). A thought - perhaps stills or videos of some of the John Wayne movies of the time? He was a big man, and played quite a number of WWII military types... Happy Hunting! Liadain _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 17:36:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06915 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 17:36:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA19671; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA20777 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailjay.creighton.edu (mailjay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.126]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA20661 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:44:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brujne.creighton.edu (brujne.creighton.edu [147.134.201.104]) by mailjay.creighton.edu (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA04482 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:44:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199905032144.QAA04482@mailjay.creighton.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Cindy Abel" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:44:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: H-COST: Re: new Simplicity Patterns Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <003101be9598$049cb8e0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Cindy Abel" I went and got mine before finding out that many JoAnn's fabric stores will have their Simplicity patterns on sale for 99 cents each this coming Saturday only, but Simplicity has several new historic patterns out. The best is 8725 a woman's gown and surcote circa 1350 and before and 8728 a matching cape and headpieces. While none are really specific to a particular portrait/sculpture, etc,(that I know of, at least) these 2 look about as authentic as a mass market pattern is going to be for a while. The pattern-maker is I believe, Martha McCain. I'd like to see other of her patterns. Does anyone on the list know of her and whether or not more patterns are forthcoming?. The two patterns I mentioned would be fairly easy to alter to a more authentic cut if needed or wanted. I'd love to make the gown and surcote for a Christmas dress. I'm collecting a lot of the new retro patterns companies are putting out on the cheap figuring when my present wardrobe wears out I will make or have made retro pieces that won't date--kind of a New Year's Resolution for 2000. One of the views shows the gown in what I swear is a silk shantag--looks lovely, but is it period? Two other patterns: an Italian Ren and circa 1780 are ok for a wedding or school play where authenticity isn't really needed or real patterns would be budget busters. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 17:45:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07018 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 17:45:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA21619; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:09:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA23361 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from laf.cioe.com (root@laf.cioe.com [204.120.165.33]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA23268 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:54:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [204.248.217.158] (pool3-47.laf.cioe.com [204.248.217.158]) by laf.cioe.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA59875 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:54:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mayfield@laf.cioe.com) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 17:06:49 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: "Melinda S. Mayfield" Subject: H-COST: OT-sun protective clothing Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Melinda S. Mayfield" In response to earlier posts regarding clothing and sun protection, my dermatologist recommends Solumbra clothing (I am an extremely fair redhead on three different kinds of photosensitive medications). Their website is http://www.solumbra.com/, and their phone number is 1.800.882.7860. Their website says, "Solumbra offers head-to-toe sun protection: Hats, shirts, pants, and accessories for adults and kids, men and women, that all meet published medical guidelines. Solumbra 30+ SPF fabrics protect you all day from harsh UVA and UVB rays." Not an employee, just a happy customer. Melinda _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 17:55:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07109 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 17:55:00 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA23200; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:18:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA26016 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:04:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA25977 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:04:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p5.directcon.net [206.170.184.54]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19368 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:00:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:00:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199905032300.PAA19368@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: lapel sizing Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson At 02:49 PM 5/3/99 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: Anah > > > >ok, I have a question, I am replicating a 1940's uniform for a client, >who's stature is NOT of that of those enlisted in "the day" he's 6'4" >and of course, being a re-enactor, cannot find the apparel in his size. > Anah, try talking to your local armed forces recruiter of the appropriate branch. One of their duties is to act as a liasion to the public. He or she could probably find the correct entity or office for you to contact to get specs on uniforms of the 40's. My guess is that lapels were graded up along with the rest of the pattern. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 18:01:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07224 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 18:01:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA24047; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:25:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA27469 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:11:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com [207.46.181.30]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA27451 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.218 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:10:30 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: NOT SO Strange request Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 18:14:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000301be95b2$b250a720$960bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000601be959d$9821ab20$cb860318@avnl1.nj.home.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" A few years ago when I got a lot of clothing catalogs in the mail, some of them were starting to carry garments made of a special sun block fabric. It was supposed to be much more effective than regular cloth. I seem to remember even LLBean, Eddie Bauer, and JCrew having a few garments each. Was I dreaming? It's not an issue for me, so it sort of whizzed right by, but it was used for swim t's for kids and adults, a kids hat, a tropical weight shirt, etc. One catalog even had a whole body suit made of the stuff for swimming in. Rated like sunscreen lotion. It wasn't particularly expensive, as I recall. Try a hat and a loose lightweight shirt-jac for outdoor wear that you can remove indoors in summer, with a shell under for wearing to work inside. Best of luck hunting for it. Sorry I can't give you any more info. Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of kynagrannd@granndgarb.com Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 3:46 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: H-COST: NOT SO Strange request -Poster: -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sarah Toney -Poster: "Sarah Toney" >Just a thought but: Would gauze be protection from the sun for you? My >very fair-skinned husband can get a sunburn through an old shirt, if he's >in the sun long enough. >I'm not sure... see, I usually burn instantly anyway... I still have scars >from 2nd degree burns I got a few years ago in Texas (fell asleep on the >beach)... but, with the meds, I'm not sure... I just can't truly bear the >thought of wearing heavier long sleeves all summer... especially working in >an office with no AC. ;-) >Thanks for the advice, though! For sunburn protection, you'll need a tightly woven material. Loosely woven material will allow the "bad rays" through the cracks. You wouldn't think it could add up to too much...but it can :\ From experience, your best bet is something in a tightly woven "twill". They are lightweight in the sense of a gauze, but they do come in lighter weights and will give you maximum protection ... it's material like this that "safari and desert" clothes are made of..and for a reason...protection from sun etc.. Also, try to keep them in light colors like whites, tans or pastels, since they reflect the heating rays more. That's why black is so awful to wear in the summer...it soaks up the heat. I don't know of anyone on Ebay with stuff like this...but most Ren Garb dealers would be able to make something nice for you. Kyna Grannd Garb ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 18:06:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07253 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 18:06:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA24759; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:30:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA28491 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:16:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA28462 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:16:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00751 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <372E2060.CAD7307F@serv.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:17:05 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: new Simplicity Patterns References: <003101be9598$049cb8e0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> <199905032144.QAA04482@mailjay.creighton.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > The best is 8725 a woman's gown and surcote circa 1350 > and before and 8728 a matching cape and headpieces. These are okay. Even though this is my period and I have researched quite alot on this, I am going to aquire them. The gowns, surcote, and cloak are pretty darn good actually. The biggest difference with the patterns and period garments is construction details such as the buttons and button holes and those tablet woven edges. But sheesh that's a lot of work so it might be nice to have cheating way that looks period. As for the headpieces, the big white ruffly disk is taken directly from a Rogier Van der Weyden painting of Mary Magdelene. She is wearing what a friend calls the Fram Air Filter hat. *chuckle* The wrong century too, 15th century for RVdW. I would pare down those side rolls made orange juice cans and try toilet paper rolls instead. *giggle* And use one piece of fabric for the veilings, but again a decent place to start. I'd rather see a bad job on a head piece than no head piece at all. It seems that no one wants to do headdresses. Probably because they are afraid to try millenary. This might make it easier and get some really great garb going. > One of the views shows the gown in what I swear is a silk > shantag--looks lovely, but is it period? Silk is definitely period. Shantung is not that I can tell. But new evidence comes up all the time. A medieval person would probably not be interested in Shantung or Dupioni and would see them as flawed. Slubby fabrics were considered inferior as far as I can tell. What few extant samples of silk I have seen, it's a pretty even and flat weave. The sheen is lovely. But I do think the golden and turquoise gowns are silk, especially the golden dress. Quite lovely. The yardage called for on these gowns is certainly period, *yikes*, talk about conspicuous consumption. IMHO, you could use Silk Shantung and claim reasonable facsimilie no problem. > Two other patterns: an Italian Ren and circa 1780 are ok for a > wedding or school play where authenticity isn't really needed or real > patterns would be budget busters. Again, not period but absolutely great for beginners. And higher level stitchers could use these as a jumping off place. I will be buying these too. I hope Simplicity keeps these patterns around for a long time. Finally some patterns we can refer to beginners on the list desperate for something good that don't cost an arm and a leg and is easy to find in any town or city fabric store with easy to understand directions. We have discussed that awful peasant's pattern. I agree it's gross. But you know what? I bought that pattern too. The shoes are completely period!! Those Scottish gillies are perfect. Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 21:39:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09410 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:39:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA25339; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:03:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA29741 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:48:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.LCIA.COM (mail.shamerockhomes.com [207.30.138.60]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA29725 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:48:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from woodenporch.com ([209.26.68.186]) by mail2.LCIA.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52462U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id COM for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:52:45 -0400 Message-ID: <372E19D8.36E8962D@woodenporch.com> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 21:50:38 +0000 From: Lois X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: books References: <199905031949.NAA16595@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lois > I have decided to sell about 12 shelves of History of Costume, Fashion, Sewing/Tailoring and Etiquette books. They all need good homes where they can be put to use. Some I am putting on ebay.com auction. If you bookmark my site you can see what I am listing. I figure that it will take some time to list everything. Hope to have about 30 listed this week. Right how I have: 1879 etiquette & dress: Decorum http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=97736000 1869 etiquette: Young Woman' Friend http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=97741309 English Costume by Calthrop, 1906 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=99420564 What Dress Makes of Us by Quigley 1897 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=99437155 Two Centuries of Costume in America in 2 vols. by Earle http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=99450991 Royal Dress by Cumming http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=99454829 Other titles have been listed on Bibliofind.com: There are also many older tailoring titles: use tailoring in subject. Earle. Costume of Colonial Times Trautman. Dress Vol. 13, 1987 Eddy. The Young Woman's Friend 1860 The Ladies' Work-Table Book, 1847 Weddings, Formal and Informal, 1891 Colle. Collars Stocks Cravats Cunnington. Handbook of English Costume Rothstein. A Lady of Fashion, Barbara Johnson Cunnington. Costume Priest. Costumes From the Forbidden City Ribeiro. The Visual History of Costume Saint-Laurent. Histoire Imprevue des Dessous Strutt. A Complete View of the Dress and Habits-England, 2 vol. 1796 N/A. The Art of Courting 1795 the Young Ladies Journal 1864 N/A. Dress, 1980 Picken. The Language of Fashion Kybalova. Pictorial Ency. of Fashion Laver. Costume Lois Mueller Wooden Porch Books books@woodenporch.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 22:12:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09766 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:12:43 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA00465; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:36:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA03901 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:21:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA03896 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:21:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-002ohcoluP324.dialsprint.net [168.191.28.102]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA07795 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00bb01be95d5$03901720$661cbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: H-COST: Interesting rumor... Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:22:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! This came across another mailing list I'm on. I'm sure as heck going to be writing Dover! Newton is a wonderful source! >>From a friend who works in a bookstore, doing our of print searches, I have >to following news. the CEO of Dover books has been approached about doing a >reprint of Stella Mary Newton's FASHION IN THE AGE OF THE BLACK PRINCE. He >agreed to look into the possiblity. Perhaps a letter would help advise him >of the need for the repriniting of this book. > >Donna C. Conrad >Assistant Professor >Department of Theatre, Film Studies and Dance >St Cloud State University >St Cloud, MN 56301 >320-2554702 > >"Meandering to a different drummer." > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 22:22:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09860 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:22:19 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA01869; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:46:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA04720 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:32:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id UAA04687 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 20702 invoked from network); 4 May 1999 02:19:30 -0000 Received: from 98.64.3-6.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (207.231.64.98) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 4 May 1999 02:19:30 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19990503192708.2a8f055c@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: NOT SO Strange request Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 03:33 PM 05/03/1999 -0400, Sarah Toney wrote: > >-Poster: "Sarah Toney" >I'm not sure... see, I usually burn instantly anyway... I still have scars >from 2nd degree burns I got a few years ago in Texas (fell asleep on the >beach)... but, with the meds, I'm not sure... I just can't truly bear the >thought of wearing heavier long sleeves all summer... especially working in >an office with no AC. ;-) > >Thanks for the advice, though! >From the experience of a friend of mine working here in Sacramento--outdoors, all summer (temperatures of 100+F [40+C])--A lined sleeve is more comfortable, especially of the outer fabric is lightweight. Since it sounds like your work is indoors, you could simply have a second lightweight (white, to reflect the sunlight better) long-sleeved blouse to put on over your other one when you go outside; one layer of cotton gauze will *not* protect you from the sun. Muslin weight over gauze would be better. A nice Chinese or Japanese parasol will also be good protection; from experience I know that it is *much* cooler than wearing a hat. I'm partial to red parasols, myself. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 22:48:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA10073 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:48:10 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA05036; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:11:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA00730 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:57:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.wireweb.net (mail.wireweb.net [207.71.23.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA00710 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:57:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail.wireweb.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Mon, 03 May 1999 21:54:22 -0500 Received: by mail.wireweb.net from system (209.163.210.217::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V3.2); Mon, 03 May 1999 21:54:21 -0500 Message-ID: <372E62D3.333B@wireweb.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 22:00:35 -0500 From: "Cynthia Bucheger" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: new Simplicity Patterns References: <003101be9598$049cb8e0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> <199905032144.QAA04482@mailjay.creighton.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SLUIDL: 2D12CE9D-011D11D3-BB270040-33537EE5 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Cynthia Bucheger" What does it mean when you are in a fabric store with your mother and a pattern on display catches your eye and you say something about wanting to make that dress, and then she says - "I had that pattern. I have pictures to prove it." Do you still make the dress? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 23:43:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10648 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 23:43:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA12418; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:07:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA05491 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:52:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA05478 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:52:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.121.19]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA02078 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 23:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <372E63C7.62A2A90A@mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 23:04:39 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Strange request References: <003101be9598$049cb8e0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Janice Dallas Sarah, Check out Deva Lifewear. It's mostly cotton clothing in relatively simple but well made garments. I've gotten shirts for my husband to wear with period stuff, and their's are better made and less expensive than many re-enactor suppliers. Check out the Adventure, Bucaneer, and mariner shirts. Address is: Deva Lifewear 110 1st Avenue West PO Box S99Westhope, ND 58793 Phone: 1-800-222-8024 Fax: 1-800-251-1746 Website:www.devalifewear.com Janice Dallas JaniceDals@mediaone.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 3 23:43:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10652 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 23:43:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA12415; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:07:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA05490 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:52:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA05474 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:52:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.121.19]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA04312 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 23:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <372E64BB.CBF2FC9E@mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 23:08:43 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Strange request References: <000601be959d$9821ab20$cb860318@avnl1.nj.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Janice Dallas Sarah, There's also a site for Travelsmith that carries a Solarian (sp?) fabric shirt which blocks out 90% I think of the sun's rays. I think it's a bit more expensive, but is also vented for air flow. Janice Dallas _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 00:04:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA10852 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 00:04:14 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA14785; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:28:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA07885 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:14:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA07877 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:14:08 -0600 (MDT) From: JPMcTeer@aol.com Received: from JPMcTeer@aol.com (8025) by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6OPGa16141 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 00:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 00:11:04 EDT Subject: RE: H-COST: NOT SO Strange request To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: JPMcTeer@aol.com << I just can't truly bear the thought of wearing heavier long sleeves all summer... especially working in an office with no AC>> I always wear my Dad's old (1960's) long sleeve white cotton shirts in the yard because I get welts from being scratched by any plant matter. And now that I plan to go to a Victorian Ball here in June, I also have to protect myself from any sunburn! In the Travel Holiday magazine for May there is an ad for "Solumbra" sunprotective clothing including shirts and hats. Their web page is listed as www.solumbra.com or call 1-800-882-7860. I have never used their products, but travel or adventure magazines might be a good place to look for other ads. I have bought clothes from the sporting/ outdoor goods supplier REI, though not online (rei.com). They have several summer weight cotton/ nylon shirts with sleeves (for inside the office) that have venting panels, etc., in men's and women's sizes. I find that some women's sizes have sleeves that are too short whereas in men's shirts they are more standardized to a longer sleeve. Good luck with your search. Joan in Minneapolis _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 00:14:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA10977 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 00:14:30 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA15748; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:38:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA08904 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:24:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (00217146@bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA08898 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:24:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA29172 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 23:28:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:28:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: new Simplicity Patterns In-Reply-To: <372E62D3.333B@wireweb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> Yes. I once picked up a pattern at a yard sale, made the jumper, had my mother comment on the familliarity of the pattern, and then had an identical jumper (in denim) appear out of the attic. Now I wear them both. Emma On Mon, 3 May 1999, Cynthia Bucheger wrote: > > -Poster: "Cynthia Bucheger" > > What does it mean when you are in a fabric store with your mother and a > pattern on display catches your eye and you say something about wanting > to make that dress, and then she says - "I had that pattern. I have > pictures to prove it." Do you still make the dress? > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 08:23:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14871 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 08:23:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA14359; Tue, 4 May 1999 06:47:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA13445 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 06:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rrnet.com (root@rrnet.com [206.11.160.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA13434 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 06:32:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from john (kinoo.dot.rrnet.com [206.11.183.94]) by rrnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA21654 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 07:32:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199905041232.HAA21654@rrnet.com> X-Sender: baird@rrnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 07:32:54 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "J,K,S&A Baird" Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: new Simplicity Patterns In-Reply-To: <372E62D3.333B@wireweb.net> References: <003101be9598$049cb8e0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> <199905032144.QAA04482@mailjay.creighton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" At 10:00 PM 5/3/99 -0500, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Cynthia Bucheger" > >What does it mean when you are in a fabric store with your mother and a >pattern on display catches your eye and you say something about wanting >to make that dress, and then she says - "I had that pattern. I have >pictures to prove it." Do you still make the dress? > IT MEANS....you have fulfilled your worst adolescent nightmare and turned into your mother. Join the club! Kim _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 08:32:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14962 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 08:32:11 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA14939; Tue, 4 May 1999 06:54:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA13951 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 06:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scorpion.netspace.net.au (scorpion.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.106]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA13935 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 06:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.70]) by scorpion.netspace.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id WAA25828 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 22:40:05 +1000 (EST) Received: from netspace.net.au.netspace.net.au (dialup-t2-44.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [210.15.192.44]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id WAA17178 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 22:40:03 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199905041240.WAA17178@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: lapel sizing Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:33:57 +1000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Christopher Ballis" > my question is....as the sizes of that time get larger, do the lapels > also increase a bit in size? Lapel size alters with fashion on a regualar basis. Laples for a certain era remain in proportion to the rest of the suit regardless of the size of the suit. You will notice that things worn with the suit alrer to remain in proportion with the suit, for example, 1960s suits had narrow lapels and thinner overall line and collars and ties were smaller to match. Periods with wider lapels had wider ties and longer collared shirts. The question relates to the 1940s and there was a curiosity of note at this time, brought on by wartime austerity. In an effort to use less fabric, clothing makers introduced the Victory Suit. It had narrower lapels, and no waistcoat. Although the Victory Suit became reasonable popular, much of civilian menswear of the period remained 1930s in look; men bought fewer suits during the war years because they were either away on service or because of availability. Of course, all of the above is generalisation and regional and personal economic factors should also be considered. -C. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 09:59:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15764 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:59:28 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA24521; Tue, 4 May 1999 08:23:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA24020 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 08:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA23933 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 08:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-116-5.bellatlantic.net [151.200.116.5]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11275 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <372EFF12.4B211CFF@tymeportal.com> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:07:14 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: lapel sizing References: <199905041240.WAA17178@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah this is a copy of an officer's "blouse" from the 1940's I have no idea why they called the jackets "blouses" but they did. I was referring to proportional size of the components of the jacket of that time. The client was at my studio, and we got the lapel to where it needed to be proportionally so all is well now, I appreciate everyone's imput. thank you. anah Christopher Ballis wrote: > > -Poster: "Christopher Ballis" > > > my question is....as the sizes of that time get larger, do the lapels > > also increase a bit in size? > > Lapel size alters with fashion on a regualar basis. Laples for a certain > era remain in proportion to the rest of the suit regardless of the size of > the suit. You will notice that things worn with the suit alrer to remain in > proportion with the suit, for example, 1960s suits had narrow lapels and > thinner overall line and collars and ties were smaller to match. Periods > with wider lapels had wider ties and longer collared shirts. > > The question relates to the 1940s and there was a curiosity of note at this > time, brought on by wartime austerity. In an effort to use less fabric, > clothing makers introduced the Victory Suit. It had narrower lapels, and no > waistcoat. Although the Victory Suit became reasonable popular, much of > civilian menswear of the period remained 1930s in look; men bought fewer > suits during the war years because they were either away on service or > because of availability. > > Of course, all of the above is generalisation and regional and personal > economic factors should also be considered. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 11:34:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16734 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:34:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA10354; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:58:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA10849 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:40:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from public.ndh.com (public.ndh.net [194.97.97.21]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA10828 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Andrea (port099.koeln.ndh.net [195.94.92.99]) by public.ndh.com (8.8.7/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA15043 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:40:18 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <372CB8E3.F968FA22@ndh.net> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 22:43:17 +0200 From: Andrea Clef X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: new Simplicity patterns X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9E4B6152A27F6D7B49DEC1B8" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Andrea Clef --------------9E4B6152A27F6D7B49DEC1B8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Finally some patterns we can refer to beginners on the list desperate for > something good that don't cost an arm and a leg and is easy to find in > any town or city fabric store with easy to understand directions. > That`s exactly my problem, we don`t have Simplicity patterns in Germany ;-)...Could anybody of this list who is going to a sale of the patterns, get me No.8725 woman`s gown and the 1780`s dress? I will pay all your expenses (patterns + shipping) back in dollars. If anybody is able and would like to help, please contact me privately, thank you! Many greetings, Diana --------------9E4B6152A27F6D7B49DEC1B8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
Finally some patterns we can refer to beginners on the list desperate for
something good that don't cost an arm and a leg and is easy to find in
any town or city fabric store with easy to understand directions.
That`s exactly my problem, we don`t have Simplicity patterns in Germany ;-)...Could anybody of this list who is going to a sale of the patterns, get me No.8725
woman`s gown and the 1780`s dress?
I will pay all your expenses (patterns + shipping) back in dollars.

If anybody is able and would like to help, please contact me privately, thank you!

Many greetings,
Diana
  --------------9E4B6152A27F6D7B49DEC1B8-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 13:14:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17686 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:14:10 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA27152; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:37:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA02701 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:22:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web109.yahoomail.com (web109.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.76]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id LAA02680 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:22:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990504172303.11696.rocketmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Received: from [153.35.254.204] by web109.yahoomail.com; Tue, 04 May 1999 10:23:03 PDT Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:23:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kristen M. Sieber" Subject: H-COST: OT-makeup tips To: Historic Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Kristen M. Sieber" Can any of you theatrical people tell my how to temporarily disguise a double chin for a photo? Thanks. Kristen Morgaine Sieber lady_gawain@yahoo.com What if the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 13:31:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17865 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:31:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA16519; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:34:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA19215 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:20:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gigi.excite.com ([199.172.152.110]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA19200 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:20:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ants.excite.com ([199.172.152.146]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990504161959.DXZP7237.gigi@ants.excite.com> for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:19:59 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: new Simplicity patterns Message-Id: <925834778.17346.157@excite.com> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 09:19:38 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "StitchWitch" > That`s exactly my problem, we don`t have Simplicity patterns in Germany > ;-)...Could anybody of this list who is going to a sale of the patterns, > get me No.8725 > woman`s gown and the 1780`s dress? > I will pay all your expenses (patterns + shipping) back in dollars. > > If anybody is able and would like to help, please contact me privately, > thank you! I'm going to be at the sale, picking up several patterns. Some of them are Titanic-inspired, a few 'medieval', the bustle pattern and so on. What size were you looking for? And while I'm there, are there any other patterns (Vintage Vogue, etc.) that you need? Let me know, shopping is my favorite full-contact sport! ;) Kate ---- StitchWitch Man is certainly stark mad: he cannot make a flea, yet he makes gods by the dozens. - Montaigne, Essays - 1588 _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 13:34:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17878 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:34:50 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA01301; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA06595 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:44:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from isomedia.com (root@watson.isomedia.com [207.149.221.16]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA06565 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:44:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wingate (pm421.isomedia.com [207.149.222.180]) by isomedia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA32161 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:44:16 -0700 From: "Wylie & Gail" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: OT-makeup tips Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:39:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000001be9655$76b4cea0$0100a8c0@wingate> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <19990504172303.11696.rocketmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Wylie & Gail" Use a foundation or powder that is darker than your own face to "shadow" your double chin. That is what pro's do, but they usually have powder and just brush it with a large brush, like we do blush. The same powder works to create cheekbone hollows and slim your nose. It just depends on how much you apply. Blend well. Good luck! ~Meryld -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kristen M. Sieber Sent: Tuesday, 04 May, 1999 10:23 To: Historic Costume Subject: H-COST: OT-makeup tips -Poster: "Kristen M. Sieber" Can any of you theatrical people tell my how to temporarily disguise a double chin for a photo? Thanks. Kristen Morgaine Sieber lady_gawain@yahoo.com What if the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 14:25:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18534 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:25:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA10658; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA15288 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA15269 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:34:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-86-142.s142.tnt6.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.86.142]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id OAA18564 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000101be965c$cf61bfc0$8e56accf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Star Wars Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:34:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" Well, I am surprised that no one has brought up the two Stars Wars sneak previews on television last night. So did anyone see on ET the costume segment? The principle designer hired 50 costume assistants. The costumes for the film were inspired from ancient cultures. This is evident in the Queen's costumes. The Queen's costumes were breath-taking. There were initially three costumes for her, but Lucas decided that he wanted her in a different costume for every scene. I'd love to know how much the costume budget was. ET will have a live interview with Lucas on Thursday night. They will be answering questions from the ET website, http://www.etonline.com/ . The other sneak peek was on VH-1. For thirty minutes, they kept repeating a portion of the score for the film. Great view of the characters! My hubbie laughed when he saw this last night.... he said "All the reproduction designers will stop getting requests for Rose and start getting requests for the Queen." Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 14:29:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18550 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:29:15 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA11483; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:53:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA16100 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:39:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA16083 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:39:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25005 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <372F3F12.824CB39C@serv.net> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:40:19 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: H-COST: Simplicity #8728 References: <19990504174903.894.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> <372F392D.F7FE2B2E@serv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover Here is a website that has a period painting with the bizarre headdress that folks are talking about. Cynthia > http://artchive.com/ftp_site.htm Go to this website. The artist's > names are in a frame column on the left. Click on WEYDEN. When you > get the Rogier van der Weyden page, click on Magdalen. There she is > in all her glory! Fram Air Filter hat. *giggle* -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 15:09:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19020 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:09:11 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA17908; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:33:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA22910 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:19:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA22903 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:19:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ants.excite.com ([199.172.152.146]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990504191833.EQEH21396.kuku@ants.excite.com> for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:18:33 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity #8728 Message-Id: <925845513.22695.916@excite.com> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 12:18:33 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "StitchWitch" > -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > > Here is a website that has a period painting with the bizarre headdress > that folks are talking about. Cynthia Thank you for posting this, it will help much in my own research. Now, to find some of that 'copious spare time' I used to have laying around . . . > > > http://artchive.com/ftp_site.htm Go to this website. The artist's > > names are in a frame column on the left. Click on WEYDEN. When you > > get the Rogier van der Weyden page, click on Magdalen. There she is > > in all her glory! Fram Air Filter hat. *giggle* When that description was first mentioned, I didn't quite believe it. I should have known better. Looks like a strange way to store wide ribbon trim to me . . . Kate ---- StitchWitch Man is certainly stark mad: he cannot make a flea, yet he makes gods by the dozens. - Montaigne, Essays - 1588 _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 16:40:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19909 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:40:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA02983; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:04:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA15689 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:49:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA15646 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from speedy.excite.com ([199.172.152.78]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990504204920.EZUF13789.ewey@speedy.excite.com> for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:49:20 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Lookie What I Found On The Web Message-Id: <925850947.13656.380@excite.com> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 13:49:07 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "StitchWitch" http://home.att.net/~merylh/dressmak/patterns.htm A place to check out the big pattern companies. Pretty nifty, and it looks like they've got all the major names. Simplicity, Vogue, McCalls, etc. Nice way to check out what you want, if a fabric shop is not near at hand. (Or you only have time to browse at 3 am.) Kate ---- StitchWitch Man is certainly stark mad: he cannot make a flea, yet he makes gods by the dozens. - Montaigne, Essays - 1588 _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 16:54:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20076 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:54:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA05056; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:19:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA18772 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:04:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from isomedia.com (root@watson.isomedia.com [207.149.221.16]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA18735 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:04:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wingate (pm434.isomedia.com [207.149.222.193]) by isomedia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA24468 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:04:22 -0700 From: "Wylie & Gail" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Star Wars Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:02:24 -0700 Message-ID: <000501be9671$6a7b7820$0100a8c0@wingate> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <000101be965c$cf61bfc0$8e56accf@costume> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Wylie & Gail" I missed these specials, and don't get VH-1, but I did purchase the special SW edition of Entertainment mag with the young Queen on the cover just so I could drool over the closeup detail on her spectacular red costume. ~G -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Tuesday, 04 May, 1999 11:35 To: h-costume Subject: H-COST: Star Wars -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" Well, I am surprised that no one has brought up the two Stars Wars sneak previews on television last night. So did anyone see on ET the costume segment? The principle designer hired 50 costume assistants. The costumes for the film were inspired from ancient cultures. This is evident in the Queen's costumes. The Queen's costumes were breath-taking. There were initially three costumes for her, but Lucas decided that he wanted her in a different costume for every scene. I'd love to know how much the costume budget was. ET will have a live interview with Lucas on Thursday night. They will be answering questions from the ET website, http://www.etonline.com/ . The other sneak peek was on VH-1. For thirty minutes, they kept repeating a portion of the score for the film. Great view of the characters! My hubbie laughed when he saw this last night.... he said "All the reproduction designers will stop getting requests for Rose and start getting requests for the Queen." Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 18:22:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20978 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 18:22:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA20513; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:46:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA09933 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:31:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from moose.uvm.edu (moose.uvm.edu [132.198.101.60]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA09870 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:31:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gnu.uvm.edu (gnu.uvm.edu [132.198.101.64]) by moose.uvm.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA65914 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 18:31:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (hag@localhost) by gnu.uvm.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA137916 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 18:31:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: gnu.uvm.edu: hag owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:31:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Hope A. Greenberg" X-Sender: hag@gnu.uvm.edu To: h-costume Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars In-Reply-To: <000101be965c$cf61bfc0$8e56accf@costume> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Hope A. Greenberg" This month's Vogue magazine has a feature article on Queen Amidala's gowns. Only a few pages but great pictures and some interesting information--things like, the black web dress took 30 hours to make by hand, the red dress has lights around the hem, and the pearl headdress came from an early 20th century vintage gown. And don't forget, you can download the teaser and the trailer from www.apple.com (as long as you have patience, lots of disk space and QuickTime 3 for Macs or Windows!). - Hope ----------- hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, U of Vermont, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 19:21:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21616 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 19:21:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA29212; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:46:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA20521 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:31:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scn4.scn.org (scn4.scn.org [209.63.95.149]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA20501 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:31:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scn.org (bd927@scn [209.63.95.146]) by scn4.scn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA20947 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bd927@localhost) by scn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA14134 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:33:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Courney X-Sender: bd927@scn To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: re: star wars Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Susan Courney Well I hadn't because it wasn't historic, but I've already made a costume from the trailer -- a queen's handmaiden dress. They're the ones in the lt yellow to rust shaded dresses. I spent the better part of a week playing with dyes before I got an acceptable ombre. the colors arent quite correct (the first yellow isn't quite light enough and the last rust isn't quite dark enough). But it was the morning of the con, so it was done. I wore it and two people recognized it. I'm sure more will later as (not planned, but a good side effect) I stood out amid all the black and got lots of comments on that. No, I'm not a rabid star wars fan, just a rabid costumer. (I also made a costume from an online game I'm playing with friends-- cause I thought it would look cool :-) Susan Courney _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 20:27:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22219 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 20:27:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA07704; Tue, 4 May 1999 18:51:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA00460 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 18:37:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA00392 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 18:36:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990505003652.RKQC4670.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@c59303-a>; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:36:52 -0700 Message-ID: <008d01be968f$693010c0$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: "sca-garb" Cc: Subject: H-COST: Fw: Flamenco Dress Costume Pattern Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:37:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" Can someone help SalsaDansr@aol.com find a flamenco dress pattern? Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas -----Original Message----- From: SalsaDansr@aol.com To: ches@io.com Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 7:22 PM Subject: Flamenco Dress Costume Pattern :Should you have any information on how i could get a Flamenco dress pattern :please e-mail me or write or fax to the adress below. :Thanking you, :Xenia Donohue :7301 Sw 162nd St :Miami,fl :33157 :Fax:305 232-3562 : _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 21:03:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22595 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 21:03:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA12641; Tue, 4 May 1999 19:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA04547 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 19:13:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com [207.46.181.18]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA04538 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 19:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.254 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 May 1999 18:13:00 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: OT-makeup tips Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:47:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000501be9695$5e6abea0$1a0bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990504172303.11696.rocketmail@web109.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" A lot of it has to do with the photography. The first thing that will draw the viewer's attention in the shot will be where there is the greatest contrast, i. e light next to dark. Make sure that point is on the eyes and cheekbones, with shadow on the underside of the chin. There should be nothing about or near the neck or chest to draw attention. No jewelry, no color contrast, just darkish blah. Black jacket with dark ascot , dark T, or dark turtleneck kind of look. If the subject's hair and hat is attractive, consider backlighting the subject's head with strong light. This creates a halo effect and casts the neck in shadow. Diffused lighting on the eyes and center face will keep that area in focus. Another trick is to have the character look up, put on a theatric gesture with his arms, and then take the picture looking down at him. Or twist his head around over his shoulder looking back and you take the shot from the back. Full body shots with a theatrical gesture can be very attractive with heavy subjects--think of Tevia as he signs Fiddler on the Roof! Dress the subject correctly, then play with lighting and camera angles until you see the look you want. Then snap that picture! Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kristen M. Sieber Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 1:23 PM To: Historic Costume Subject: H-COST: OT-makeup tips -Poster: "Kristen M. Sieber" Can any of you theatrical people tell my how to temporarily disguise a double chin for a photo? Thanks. Kristen Morgaine Sieber lady_gawain@yahoo.com What if the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 4 23:09:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA23716 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 23:09:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA07109; Tue, 4 May 1999 21:32:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA17820 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 21:17:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us (mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us [199.173.91.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA17798 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 21:17:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bchamber (dial-in153 [199.173.93.153]) by mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA12333 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 23:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010501be96a5$e16f71a0$995dadc7@bchamber> From: "Beth" To: "H-Costume" Subject: H-COST: sun protective clothing Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:17:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0102_01BE9684.4F87C560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Beth" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0102_01BE9684.4F87C560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Try looking for item made with Solarweave. I has a "built in" SPF, I = can't remember how high but I have seen it marketed to skin cancer = patients and I think it is around 30. It is a nylon windbreaker type = fabric, the same company makes a knit and I think a twill. The web site = http://www.solarweave.com lists manufacturers and retailers = using/selling solarweave.=20 If anyone knows of a source for yardage of any of these fabrics please = e-mail me, I had one site but their web page has gone down and I would = much rather make my own shirt. Beth ------=_NextPart_000_0102_01BE9684.4F87C560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Try looking for item made with Solarweave. I has a = "built in"=20 SPF, I can't remember how high but I have seen it marketed to skin = cancer=20 patients and I think it is around 30. It is a nylon windbreaker type = fabric, the=20 same company makes a knit and I think a twill. The web site http://www.solarweave.com lis= ts=20 manufacturers and retailers using/selling solarweave.
If anyone knows of a source for yardage of any of = these=20 fabrics please e-mail me, I had one site but their web page has gone = down and I=20 would much rather make my own shirt.
 
Beth
------=_NextPart_000_0102_01BE9684.4F87C560-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 5 03:49:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA25438 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 03:49:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id CAA01886; Wed, 5 May 1999 02:14:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA10645 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 02:00:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id BAA10616 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 01:59:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-69-211.irvn11.pacbell.net [206.170.69.211]) by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id AAA02026 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 00:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <372F96FA.91A04C45@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 00:55:28 +0000 From: Dietmar Organization: Completely Disorganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: new Simplicity patterns References: <372CB8E3.F968FA22@ndh.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Dietmar Greetings, Diana wrote: > That`s exactly my problem, we don`t have Simplicity patterns in > Germany ;-)...Could anybody of this list who is going to a sale > of the patterns, get me No.8725 woman`s gown and the 1780`s dress? > I will pay all your expenses (patterns + shipping) back in dollars. I already owe Diana a favor for helping me get a German costume book, so I'll take care of this. :-) Fare thee well, Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 5 10:15:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29034 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 10:15:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA25362; Wed, 5 May 1999 08:39:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA18830 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 08:24:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA18809 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 08:24:31 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (218) by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6JGCa10990 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 10:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <185197e9.2461ae04@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:21:56 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 5/4/99 11:26:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, seamstrix@juno.com writes: << Oh well, girls have been called Velvet and Dimity...any >other >fabric names that have become given names? > >Margo Hmmmm.......does that stodgey old Puritan Cotton Mather count? >> How about Polly & Ester? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 5 12:19:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA30143 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 12:19:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA13099; Wed, 5 May 1999 10:42:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA13118 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 10:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law-f174.hotmail.com [209.185.131.237]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id KAA13110 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 10:27:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 21464 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 1999 16:27:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19990505162745.21463.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 131.107.3.70 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 May 1999 09:27:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.70] From: "Erin Kilpatrick" To: h-costume@indra.com, sca-garb@list.uvm.edu Subject: Re: H-COST: Fw: Flamenco Dress Costume Pattern Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 09:27:45 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Erin Kilpatrick" Could you please forward any info to me too? Thanks! >From: "Franchesca Havas" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: "sca-garb" >CC: >Subject: H-COST: Fw: Flamenco Dress Costume Pattern >Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:37:08 -0500 > > >-Poster: "Franchesca Havas" > >Can someone help SalsaDansr@aol.com find a flamenco dress pattern? > >Sincerely, >F. Havas >Dallas, Texas > >-----Original Message----- >From: SalsaDansr@aol.com >To: ches@io.com >Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 7:22 PM >Subject: Flamenco Dress Costume Pattern > > >:Should you have any information on how i could get a Flamenco dress >pattern >:please e-mail me or write or fax to the adress below. >:Thanking you, >:Xenia Donohue >:7301 Sw 162nd St >:Miami,fl >:33157 >:Fax:305 232-3562 >: > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 5 12:55:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA30524 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 12:55:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA18173; Wed, 5 May 1999 11:20:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA27267 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 11:05:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jewel.clinch.edu (jewel.clinch.edu [143.60.3.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA27251 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 11:05:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jgambill ([143.60.30.40] (may be forged)) by jewel.clinch.edu (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA07207 for ; Wed, 05 May 1999 13:03:46 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990505130806.00b9aad0@mail.clinch.edu> X-Sender: j_gambill@mail.clinch.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:08:06 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jeannie Gambill Subject: Re: H-COST: Fw: Flamenco Dress Costume Pattern In-Reply-To: <19990505162745.21463.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Jeannie Gambill Please post this info in the list! I am currently looking for a pattern for a local high school. Thanks! At 09:27 AM 5/5/99 PDT, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Erin Kilpatrick" > >Could you please forward any info to me too? Thanks! > >>From: "Franchesca Havas" >>Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >>To: "sca-garb" >>CC: >>Subject: H-COST: Fw: Flamenco Dress Costume Pattern >>Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:37:08 -0500 >> >> >>-Poster: "Franchesca Havas" >> >>Can someone help SalsaDansr@aol.com find a flamenco dress pattern? >> >>Sincerely, >>F. Havas >>Dallas, Texas >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: SalsaDansr@aol.com >>To: ches@io.com >>Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 7:22 PM >>Subject: Flamenco Dress Costume Pattern >> >> >>:Should you have any information on how i could get a Flamenco dress >>pattern >>:please e-mail me or write or fax to the adress below. >>:Thanking you, >>:Xenia Donohue >>:7301 Sw 162nd St >>:Miami,fl >>:33157 >>:Fax:305 232-3562 >>: >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME >> > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > (())(())(())(())(())(())(())(())(())(())())(())(())(())(())(())(())(())(()) JEANNIE FARTHING GAMBILL, Costume Designer Department of Visual & Performing Arts CVC Highland Players CLINCH VALLEY COLLEGE of the University of Virginia THESE ARE THE DAYS OF MIRACLES & WONDER... Paul Simon (())(())(())(())(())(())(())(())(())(())())(())(())(())(())(())(())(())(()) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 5 13:07:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA30627 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:07:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA19282; Wed, 5 May 1999 11:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA28647 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 11:12:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA28629 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 11:12:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA26893 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 19:12:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp181-33.worldonline.nl [195.241.181.33]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA19450 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 19:12:15 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905051712.TAA19450@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: OT-makeup tips Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 18:53:28 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi List, Kirsten wrote: > Can any of you theatrical people tell my how to > temporarily disguise a double chin for a photo? > Thanks. Pauline always asks me to be photographed from above, looking up. Hey presto: no chins... Henk (couldn't resist that ;-) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 5 13:16:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA30716 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:16:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA21651; Wed, 5 May 1999 11:41:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA01410 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 11:25:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA01377 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 11:25:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.121.19]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA12896 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37307D56.FECDFE5D@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:18:14 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: OT-makeup tips References: <19990504172303.11696.rocketmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Janice Dallas For stage, and to a lesser extent, photos, I use a dark brown eyeliner to draw a line at my jawline,( or a bit lower if I'm singing)then blend it down into the neck. Keep the line on the light side for photos, heavier for stage, especially when you're on the far side of the orchestra. Same technique works to hollow cheeks, define eyes and nose, etc. Janice Dallas JaniceDals@mediaone.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 5 14:39:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA31486 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:39:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA05297; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:04:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA15423 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 12:49:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net [194.152.65.204]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA15348 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 12:49:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem93.hulk.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.93] helo=herimats) by svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10f6jJ-0001nz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 5 May 1999 19:49:14 +0100 Message-ID: <00bb01be9727$eb4db650$5d065cc3@herimats> From: "dave;editors(Heritage Matters)" To: References: <3.0.6.32.19990505130806.00b9aad0@mail.clinch.edu> Subject: Re: H-COST: Fw: Flamenco Dress Costume Pattern Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 18:52:57 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Words to the Wise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "dave;editors(Heritage Matters)" > > -Poster: Jeannie Gambill > > Please post this info in the list! I am currently looking for a pattern for > a local high school. > Thanks! > I think you need an architect for that. Dave _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 5 15:03:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA31758 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:03:21 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA09055; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:28:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA27595 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:13:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA27464 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from spike.excite.com ([199.172.152.97]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990505191243.CNC17716.ewey@spike.excite.com> for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 12:12:43 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Simplicity Pattern Sale Dates Message-Id: <925931548.22436.639@excite.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 12:12:28 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "StitchWitch" Hello! My first message with this info did not go through. At least, *I* didn't see it. If someone has gotten this twice, I extend my most humble grovel of apology. The Simplicity 99$ pattern sale, which we've assumed is to be held on May 8th, is instead being held on May 15th & 16th. (Just got the flyer last night, and that's what it says.) There is a limit of 5 patterns listed on the flyer, but nothing that says a customer may not make more than one trip through! (I suppose we could wear disguises . . .) Kate ---- StitchWitch Man is certainly stark mad: he cannot make a flea, yet he makes gods by the dozens. - Montaigne, Essays - 1588 _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 5 16:19:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA32486 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:19:44 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA22608; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:43:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA13404 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:28:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA13388 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:28:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from batty.excite.com ([199.172.152.107]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990505202815.KLP1796.kuku@batty.excite.com> for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:28:15 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: More Patterns from the 50's Message-Id: <925936095.5080.23@excite.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:28:15 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "StitchWitch" http://www.butterick.com/catalog/dress.html Check out the above URL for Butterick's new 'Retro' line. Looks like we've got a trend here, folks! Kate ---- StitchWitch Man is certainly stark mad: he cannot make a flea, yet he makes gods by the dozens. - Montaigne, Essays - 1588 _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 5 16:25:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA32595 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:25:15 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA23422; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:49:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA14567 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:35:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA14555 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:34:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26767 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3730ABB2.B243E65A@serv.net> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:36:02 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity Pattern Sale Dates References: <925931548.22436.639@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover I got the flyer too. It does say May 15 & 16. But my store also has a sign for the 8th. I'd call before assuming it won't be on the 8th just because there is a new flyer. FWIW. > The Simplicity 99$ pattern sale, which we've assumed is to be held on May > 8th, is instead being held on May 15th & 16th. (Just got the flyer last > night, and that's what it says.) Now this idea rocks!! Why did I never think of that? ~ Cynthia > There is a limit of 5 patterns listed on > the flyer, but nothing that says a customer may not make more than one trip > through! (I suppose we could wear disguises . . .) -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 5 17:47:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00660 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 17:47:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA06228; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:12:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA27921 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from haas.Berkeley.EDU (haas.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.66.85]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA27909 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:44:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Tmiller (haas-s440026.Haas.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.70.28]) by haas.Berkeley.EDU (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA19465 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990505144139.00a70970@haas.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: tmiller@haas.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:44:06 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Tracy Miller Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity Pattern Sale Dates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Tracy Miller >I got the flyer too. It does say May 15 & 16. But my store also has a sign >for >the 8th. I'd call before assuming it won't be on the 8th just because there is >a new flyer. FWIW. I just got off the phone with my local Jo-Ann's and it looks like the sale will be on the 8th, the 15th AND the16th! Yay! (This may be a regional thing though, so YMMV). Tracy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tracy Miller - tmiller@haas.berkeley.edu http://www.haas.berkeley.edu/~tmiller/home.htm - Flexilis sum, gluten es, quod me resilit, ad te haeret! - _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 5 21:45:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA02932 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 21:45:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA09253; Wed, 5 May 1999 20:10:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA05670 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 19:55:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA05657 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 19:55:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com (8051) by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6OYSa15859 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 21:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <109b44d.24625030@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 21:53:52 EDT Subject: H-COST: Re: Simplicity patterns To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com Well I, for one, am totally impressed with Simplicity! I just happened to be in the fabric store the other day (funny how often that happens. . .) and saw their costume catalogue. Yup, a whole catalogue of costumes, which they have divided into a "Timeline of History" thing. Some are great, some are so-so, but ALL are so much better than anything else on the market. I mean, the general retail market, not custom. As for the 1370s gown -- WOW! It's on the cover of the costume catlogue, and they sure spent some bucks doing that one up in silk! What a fantastic resource for anyone just starting out in medieval costume. Unfortunately, to keep the pattern simple (and the skirt width approaching accuracy) the pattern drafter has you wasting a lot of fabric. I doubt many beginning sewers will be out there buying the requisite 10 yards of silk -- or even cotton. But I am going to hop right out when the 99 cents sale starts and get that one myself, so I can get a real sleeve pattern (I just can't work one up myself), and while I'm at it I'll try to replicate the same amount of skirt using gores, and using a lot less fabric. Or at least I'll compare it to the pattern I've worked out through extensive trial and error. Gail Finke PS: At the last 99 cents sale, I picked up the Simplicity Renaissance doll clothes pattern for American Girl dolls. Two of the outfits are great. I thought some people on this list might like to know about it, too! PPS: I can't wait to see someone really wearing that van der Weyden hat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 00:11:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA04400 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 00:11:34 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA29329; Wed, 5 May 1999 22:35:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA13156 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 22:20:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA13148 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 22:20:35 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnoraK@aol.com Received: from AnnoraK@aol.com (8081) by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6KEPa03426 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 00:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2be9eb84.2462723b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 00:19:07 EDT Subject: H-COST: Corrected Period Patterns?!?!? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnoraK@aol.com I picked up a copy of the Period Pattern/Medieval Miscellania #41, Italian Renaissance Gowns last weekend at the VA RenFaire to replace my now-in-about-200-different-places previous copy. I didn't get around to opening the envelope till tonite, but when I did I got a surprise. Has this pattern been corrected? It has definitely been reprinted since my past copy, the dress pieces are now spread across numerous sheets of beige tissue, instead of piled on top of each other on a sheet of white. It now also has 2 more sizes (6 and 20). I remember hearing when Hist. Yours first bought the rights to these that they planned to eventually correct the drafting errors and incorporate them when each pattern needed reprinting. Anyone know if this is what happened? Crossing fingers and toes, Jen/Nora _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 01:35:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA05366 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 01:35:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA07096; Thu, 6 May 1999 00:00:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA21621 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 23:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id XAA21612 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 23:45:58 -0600 (MDT) From: lynnx@mc.net Received: (qmail 20252 invoked from network); 6 May 1999 05:45:52 -0000 Received: from tntmodem1-9.mc.net (HELO HEATHERL) (209.172.133.9) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 6 May 1999 05:45:52 -0000 Message-ID: <37314BC9.3875@mc.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 00:59:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: fabric names References: <199905051712.LAA28666@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: lynnx@mc.net I've seen Satin and Satina, but possibly they were in a romance novel. I know Damask was. Carol Mitchell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 01:46:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA05463 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 01:46:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA07376; Thu, 6 May 1999 00:06:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA21989 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 23:51:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA21979; Wed, 5 May 1999 23:51:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id PAA24664; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:21:06 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA01103; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:30:20 +0930 Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:30:13 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: fabric names In-Reply-To: <37314BC9.3875@mc.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Thu, 6 May 1999 lynnx@mc.net wrote: > > -Poster: lynnx@mc.net > > I've seen Satin and Satina, but possibly they were in a romance novel. I > know Damask was. Well Scarlett was once the name of a kind of cloth, but that's all I can think of..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 03:54:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA05635 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 03:54:37 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id CAA15097; Thu, 6 May 1999 02:18:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA00560 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 02:04:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id CAA00552 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 02:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA24392.; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:08:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 May 1999 09:03:15 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:02:44 +0100 From: "KATE M BUNTING" To: Subject: H-COST: Qiana Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id DAA05635 Status: O -Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" What is Qiana? I've never heard of it. Perhaps, if it's a trade name, a different one was used in Europe? Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby (UK) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 04:54:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA06174 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 04:54:36 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id DAA18018; Thu, 6 May 1999 03:19:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id DAA04031 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 03:04:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id DAA04025 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 03:04:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-70-162.irvn11.pacbell.net [206.170.70.162]) by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id CAA08166; Thu, 6 May 1999 02:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3730F8EF.5EB36306@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 02:05:49 +0000 From: Dietmar Organization: Completely Disorganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com, lady_gawain@yahoo.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Greek sandals References: <19990417015807.8378.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Dietmar Greetings all, Forgive the delay in response. Kristen wrote: > I have a pair of authentic Greek sandals (Pier 1 special). They > tie up the calf in the traditional way, but I can't keep them up! > I tie them at the top of my calf, but short of totally cutting off > my circulation, I just can't keep them from falling down. Any help? I've got a pair of sandles that tie over the calf, so I might be able to help. How many times do you wrap and how wide are the straps? The straps on my sandles are about 3/4" wide and cross over each other three times in front and in back. This means that the top wrap is almost horizontal. You might try tying the top cross over with a small thong to keep it tight. (I'll explain further if this is confusing.) I've found that they do need to be rather tight, and even then they will work themselves loose over time. It might also help that I have very muscular calves. (14" below the knee, 17" at the calf.) Feel free to ask for more help if necessary. Good luck, Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 07:13:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA07427 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 07:13:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id FAA23557; Thu, 6 May 1999 05:38:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA19429 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 05:23:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oak.ait.fredonia.edu (oak.ait.fredonia.edu [141.238.1.15]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id FAA19411 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 05:22:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [141.238.21.198] by oak.ait.fredonia.edu (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.aapi) with ESMTP id ya083900 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 06:18:10 -0500 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Carol Blanchard" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 07:21:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: H-COST: job opening Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <11180943325627@ait.fredonia.edu> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol Blanchard" The executive director and producer have posted this on theatrical sites around the web. I thought that since there have been so many people inquire about theatrical positions for costumers, someone on h-costume might be interested too. Job Describtion: Shakespeare in Delaware Park is looking for a costume shop supervisor for its 24th season of Henry IV, Part II and Measure for Measure. This contract is for the period of May 24 - July 30, 1999, [10 weeks]. The costume shop is located at SUNY Fredonia. Duties: Working with designer to implement plots for both productions, general management and maintenance of shop, overseeing shop personnel, assist with fittings, keep track of rentals and do returns for 1st production. Some cutting and stitching required. Having vehicle a plus. Salary: $300 per week + Housing Contact: Nancy Doherty DirectBard@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 10:06:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09203 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:06:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA08307; Thu, 6 May 1999 08:29:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA06230 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 08:14:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.225]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id IAA06220 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 08:14:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990506141700.12986.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [129.237.252.19] by web308.yahoomail.com; Thu, 06 May 1999 07:17:00 PDT Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 07:17:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Margretta de Vries Subject: Re: H-COST: Period Patterns?!?!? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margretta de Vries > -Poster: AnnoraK@aol.com > I picked up a copy of the Period Pattern/Medieval > Miscellania #41, Italian Renaissance Gowns last > weekend at the VA RenFaire to replace my previous > copy. I didn't get around to opening the envelope > till tonite, but when I did I got a surprise. Has > this pattern been corrected? It has definitely been > reprinted since my past copy, the dress pieces are > now spread across numerous sheets of beige tissue, > instead of piled on top of each other on a sheet of > white. Speaking of Period Patterns/Med. Misc., does anyone have contact info for them, to possibly get a catalog? I can't find them anywhere around here (NE Kansas)! Margretta === Margretta de Vries _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 10:26:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09402 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:26:15 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA11357; Thu, 6 May 1999 08:51:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA09953 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 08:36:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.LCIA.COM (mail.shamerockhomes.com [207.30.138.60]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA09944 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 08:36:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from woodenporch.com ([209.26.68.111]) by mail2.LCIA.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52462U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id COM for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:40:32 -0400 Message-ID: <3731710C.5C32EA46@woodenporch.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 10:38:21 +0000 From: Lois X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: more Costume Books References: <199904230113.TAA23510@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lois > Hi all, I have listed more costume history books on ebay. I'll have a few more after this and then when I get back to WV from Florida in about 2 weeks I'll be listing more. It most likely will take me a month or more to list all of my titles. Some are from stock and some from my own library. Can anyone ever have too many books? So bookmark me at ebay. 8^) http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=books7 Some interesting titles that I added yesterday are: (there are also some fashion books listed) Early Bourbon 1590-1643 by Blum http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=100266968 What People Wore by Gorsline http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=100285974 Costume Language by Davies http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=100314348 Historical Encyclopedia of Costume by Racinet (reprint) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=100322075 Fairholt's Costume in England, 2 vol. 1896 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=100327755 English Historic Costume Painting Books by Winsor & Newton http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=100390710 Man and the Horse by Mackay-Smith http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=100399881 Clothes by Laver http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=100450823 Modesty in Dress by Laver http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=100455950 Men and Women by Kidwell and Steele http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=100511960 Hope that you can find something to enhance your research. Lois -- Lois Mueller Wooden Porch Books books@woodenporch.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 10:44:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09595 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:44:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA13767; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:10:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA13150 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 08:54:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA13119 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 08:54:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p20.directcon.net [206.170.184.69]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA12650 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 07:51:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 07:51:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199905061551.HAA12650@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Qiana Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson At 09:02 AM 5/6/99 +0100, you wrote: > >-Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" > >What is Qiana? I've never heard of it. Perhaps, if it's a trade name, a different one was used in Europe? It's a polyester jersey that was popular in the 70's .Think of disco dresses and those silk screened (Nik Nik?) shirts. It had a very fluid hand, draped beautifully, and was a nighmare to sew due to skipped stitches and its habit of getting sucked down into the feed dogs. The first money I ever earned, went I was 16, was spent on black Quina. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 11:21:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09996 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:21:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA20164; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:46:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA21231 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:30:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA21218 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:30:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-163.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.163]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12985 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3731B546.5D18F5E9@tymeportal.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 11:29:10 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: SHOE sizes References: <109b44d.24625030@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah in regard to UK shoe sizes, what is the conversion? meaning, if one wears a 9 in US sizes, what is it likely to be in UK sizes? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 11:30:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10055 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:30:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA21591; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:55:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA23146 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:40:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1-alterdial.uu.net (smtp1-alterdial.uu.net [192.48.96.19]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA23118 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:39:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jwilbur1 by smtp1-alterdial.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: 119.pcpool89.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.89.119]) id QQgoaw27229 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:39:57 GMT Message-Id: From: "Jessica Wilbur" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:39:42 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: Period Patterns?!?!? Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19990506141700.12986.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" > > -Poster: Margretta de Vries > > > > -Poster: AnnoraK@aol.com > > I picked up a copy of the Period Pattern/Medieval > > Miscellania #41, Italian Renaissance Gowns last > > weekend at the VA RenFaire to replace my previous > > copy. I didn't get around to opening the envelope > > till tonite, but when I did I got a surprise. Has > > this pattern been corrected? It has definitely been > > reprinted since my past copy, the dress pieces are > > now spread across numerous sheets of beige tissue, > > instead of piled on top of each other on a sheet of > > white. > > Speaking of Period Patterns/Med. Misc., does anyone > have contact info for them, to possibly get a catalog? > I can't find them anywhere around here (NE Kansas)! > > Margretta Greetings, everyone, I happen to be friends with the owner of Historically Yours, formerly Costume Connection, which produces Period Patterns. Last time I heard, they did not have the rights to make changes to the patterns, but that situation may have changed. I will ask Steve about that, and also find out if there is a catalog in print right now. Unfortunately their Web site has been down for some time now and I don't know when it's going to be back up. --Jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 11:32:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10108 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:32:30 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA21919; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:57:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA23627 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:42:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA23597 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:42:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-163.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.163]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA18454 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3731B7E2.63DFD8DF@tymeportal.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 11:40:18 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: SHOE sizes References: <109b44d.24625030@aol.com> <3731B546.5D18F5E9@tymeportal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah I've answered my own question, in looking about, I came upon a conversion chart! I do notice it only goes as high as women's 9 1/2 but I also found this at a business, so mabe they only make women's shoes up to that size. UK Shoe Size European US Female US Male F4 37 5.5 - F5 38 6.5 - F6 39.5 7.5 - F7 40.5 8.5 7.5 F8 42 9.5 8.5 M8 42.5 - 9 M9 43 - 10 M10 44.5 - 11 M11 45.5 - 12 Anah wrote: > > -Poster: Anah > > in regard to UK shoe sizes, what is the conversion? meaning, if one > wears a 9 in US sizes, what is it likely to be in UK sizes? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 11:40:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10196 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:40:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA23524; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:05:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA25546 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:50:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU (outbound.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.74]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA25535 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:50:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 32921 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <68268-11965>; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:50:03 -0400 Received: from mail.Princeton.EDU (mail.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.14]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24389 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from witsend2 (witsend2.Princeton.EDU [128.112.234.12]) by mail.Princeton.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA26061 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:49:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "GRM Files" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: SHOE sizes Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:49:49 -0400 Message-ID: <001201be97d8$12966990$0cea7080@witsend2.Princeton.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3731B7E2.63DFD8DF@tymeportal.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "GRM Files" I have a quarrel with the chart Anah forwarded. I wear US women's shoe size 10, US men's shoe size 7-1/2, and Euro (Doc Martin's, Jos. Seibel) size 41. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 11:44:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10216 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:44:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA24134; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:10:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA26415 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:54:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA26327 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:54:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-163.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.163]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24774 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3731BAD0.8CD2E392@tymeportal.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 11:52:48 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: SHOE sizes References: <001201be97d8$12966990$0cea7080@witsend2.Princeton.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah I only forwarded what I have found. I didn't say it was accurate, and I did mention It was curious that the chart I found only went up to a size 9.5 sorry. GRM Files wrote: > > -Poster: "GRM Files" > > I have a quarrel with the chart Anah forwarded. > > I wear US women's shoe size 10, US men's shoe size 7-1/2, and Euro (Doc > Martin's, Jos. Seibel) size 41. > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 11:57:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10370 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:57:37 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA25700; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:22:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA29058 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:07:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA29044 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:07:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.121.19]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA13518 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3731BC81.3AFF5411@mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 12:00:01 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: SHOE sizes References: <001201be97d8$12966990$0cea7080@witsend2.Princeton.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Janice Dallas I found the chart a bit off also. Wonder if they changed shoe sizes the way our patterns "up-dated" dress sizes. I'm a woman's US 10, Euro 41, but my (chunky) US men's boots were 8 or 8 and a half. Janice Dallas JaniceDals@mediaone.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 12:00:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10443 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:00:42 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA26205; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:26:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA29801 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA29780 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:10:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-163.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.163]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA02313 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3731BE9E.3F1AB65F@tymeportal.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 12:09:02 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: SHOE sizes References: <001201be97d8$12966990$0cea7080@witsend2.Princeton.EDU> <3731BC81.3AFF5411@mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah so much for my excitement in finding a chart.....next time I'll be quiet. again, my apologies Janice Dallas wrote: > > -Poster: Janice Dallas > > I found the chart a bit off also. Wonder if they changed shoe sizes the > way our patterns "up-dated" dress sizes. I'm a woman's US 10, Euro 41, > but my (chunky) US men's boots were 8 or 8 and a half. > > Janice Dallas > JaniceDals@mediaone.net > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 12:00:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10447 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:00:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA26234; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:26:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA29827 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA29797 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:10:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.121.19]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA15808 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3731BD37.A20EB47E@mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 12:03:03 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Qiana References: <199905061551.HAA12650@zeus.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Janice Dallas Now, my Qiana fabric was a printed satin with a stiffer hand. I always thought it was a nylon fabric, but could be mixed up. It was as expensive as Tencel is now, so didn't stay in the market for many years. I don't remember having the clamminess that I always get wearing poly. Janice Dallas JaniceDals@mediaone.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 12:08:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10505 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:08:34 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA27483; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:34:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA01558 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:18:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA01538 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:18:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from VAMP (a2a01770.direct.bconnected.net [209.53.2.42]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id MAA22672; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002e01be97dd$c15cbec0$0300a8c0@direct.ca> From: "Brandy Dickson" To: Cc: Subject: H-COST: sleeve or glove? Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:16:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Brandy Dickson" Greetings everyone! I am helping a friend that is doing a paper for women's studies and she is wanting to know what the term is for a certain piece of clothing. You know the sleeves that are tight fitting right down to the wrist? and sometimes you see them extended right down onto the hand and come to a point over the third knuckle. Sometimes the point has a string that loops around the third finger. Does anyone know what that hand extension is called? I tried looking it up under gloves and sleeves in several of my costume dictionaries but to no avail. Any help would be gratefully accepted. Also, if you have the time period it was first popular in, that would be great too..... Thanks in advance! Desamona Chatelaine of Hartwood m.k.a Brandy Dickson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 12:19:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10612 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:19:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA29037; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:45:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA03645 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:29:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA03626 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20640 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3731C3C7.4C27E634@serv.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:31:04 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: H-COST: Re: sleeve or glove? References: <002e01be97dd$c15cbec0$0300a8c0@direct.ca> <3731C35F.35434D6F@serv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover I sent this reply to the SCA garb list and then saw the question on H-Cost. So for those of you not on both lists, here's my reply to H-Cost. Please forgive the cross posting and just delete if you get both lists. Cynthia > > You know the sleeves that are tight fitting right down to the wrist? and > > sometimes you see them extended right down onto the hand and come to a point > > over the third knuckle. Sometimes the point has a string that loops around > > the third finger. Does anyone know what that hand extension is called? > > As far as I can tell this addition of a loop over the third finger from a point > on the sleeve is a figment of someone's imagination from the 19th and 20th > centuries. I have yet to see any evidence for this in "primary" or "secondary" > sources. Not that I have seen everything, I haven't. But if I were your friend > I would seriously consider not putting something referring to this in her paper > at all. If she *does* have documentation for such a thing, like a picture, I > want that info! A very sexy look, but not period that I have seen. And this is > my century of research. The long sleeves that come down to the knuckles with no > points are simply called sleeves. > > > I tried looking it up under gloves and sleeves in several of my costume > > dictionaries but to no avail. Any help would be gratefully accepted. Also, > > if you have the time period it was first popular in, that would be great > > too..... > > The fact that it isn't in any of these references really brings home the fact > that it isn't there. She should drop this from her paper. > > FWIW, Merouda > > -- > Cynthia Long > Merouda the True of Bornover > Barony of Madrone > Kingdom of An Tir -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 12:21:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10679 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:21:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA29445; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:46:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA04012 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:31:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mw2.texas.net (mw2.texas.net [206.127.30.12]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA04001 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:31:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from texas.net (mnet06-43.austin.texas.net [207.207.3.211]) by mw2.texas.net (2.4/2.4) with ESMTP id LAA22779 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:31:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3731C3F1.8EB770AD@texas.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 11:31:45 -0500 From: Christina X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: SHOE sizes References: <109b44d.24625030@aol.com> <3731B546.5D18F5E9@tymeportal.com> <3731B7E2.63DFD8DF@tymeportal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Christina To help in your quest, my size 5.5 feet american fit well in both size 35 and 36 European. -Magdalena _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 13:51:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11548 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:51:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA13703; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:11:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA27595 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:55:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from firstchurchtulsa.org (star098246.galstar.com [207.13.98.246]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id LAA27438 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:55:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from JCarlson.firstchurchtulsa.org [192.168.10.113] by firstchurchtulsa.org [192.168.10.20] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Thu, 06 May 1999 12:42:32 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:40:58 -0500 Message-ID: <01BE97BD.B0AEA040.JCarlson@firstchurchtulsa.org> From: Jennifer Carlson To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: RE: Quiana Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:40:56 -0500 Organization: FPC X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: h-costume@indra.com Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Jennifer Carlson When I was in junior high and high school, I was forced to endure wearing a black quiana gown for orchestra recitals. It was bad enough that the pattern had been selected to flatter a willowy build - it had a rectangular sort of plastron thing in the dead center of the chest, with the gown gathered onto it, and ties that wrapped from the plastron and tied at the waist, hanging down a bit from the level of the bottom of the plastron in front. Great if you're built like Kate Moss. I was built like Mae West. The dress, with its lovely quiana drape, made me look like a pregnant Mae West. I recall quiana's two most "endearing" qualities - it generated more electricity than the Hoover Dam, (making me look like Mae West in a wet dress) and it was slick as oiled glass. I played bassoon and had all sorts of fun trying to keep my instrument's seat strap from sliding out from under me when wearing that dress and sitting on a plastic chair. Jennifer Carlson Jcarlson@firstchurchtulsa.org _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 14:06:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11660 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:05:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA16981; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:30:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA05128 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:15:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA05117 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:15:27 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com (8053) by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6CGSa16238 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8ee93a5f.246335f3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:14:11 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Qiana To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com Qiana was a form of tri-lobal nylon, introduced by Dupont in the early '70s, that was supposed to be the next best thing to silk. Both woven and knitted fabrics were made out of it. The jersey was especially popular for bridesmaid's dresses and disco shirts. I'm not sure why it was discontinued, but evidently it did not live up to expectations. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 14:09:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11677 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:09:33 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA16630; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:29:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA04525 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:13:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id MAA04477 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:13:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.19.1.35] ([172.19.1.35]) by mail.cho.org; Thu, 06 May 1999 11:13:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3731C3C7.4C27E634@serv.net> References: <002e01be97dd$c15cbec0$0300a8c0@direct.ca> <3731C35F.35434D6F@serv.net> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:12:08 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: sleeve or glove? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lynn Downward >-Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > >> As far as I can tell this addition of a loop over the third finger from >>a point >> on the sleeve is a figment of someone's imagination from the 19th and 20th >> centuries. I have yet to see any evidence for this in "primary" or >>"secondary" >> sources. Not that I have seen everything, I haven't. But if I were >>your friend >> I would seriously consider not putting something referring to this in >>her paper >> at all. If she *does* have documentation for such a thing, like a >>picture, I >> want that info! A very sexy look, but not period that I have seen. And >>this is >> my century of research. The long sleeves that come down to the knuckles >>with no >> points are simply called sleeves. >> >> > I tried looking it up under gloves and sleeves in several of my costume >> > dictionaries but to no avail. Any help would be gratefully accepted. >>Also, >> > if you have the time period it was first popular in, that would be great >> > too..... >> >> The fact that it isn't in any of these references really brings home the >>fact >> that it isn't there. She should drop this from her paper. >> >> FWIW, Merouda >> So then the answer is 19/20 Century, right? Yes, that's the answer. This is the COSTUME list, and just because it doesn't occur before 1600 doesn't mean that it doesn't count. It seems to me that for the past month, this list is becoming more and more an SCA list, and it's become tiring. We tend to go through cycles regarding SCA period vs. costume list. We've hit the top of this cycle. Please remember that many of us don't care about SCA. Laurels and such don't have a huge place on this list. There are other sites for SCA. I don't mean for this to be a flame, really. If I flamed you, you'd know. It's just difficult when so many of us are interested in historical periods from across eras as wide as ancient Egypt headdresses to post-war Dior dresses and we keep hearing, "It's not period." Please be more aware of which list you're writing on. Sincerely and not angry, just tired. LynnD _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 14:13:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11773 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:13:21 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA18326; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:38:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA08097 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1-alterdial.uu.net (alterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA08071 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:23:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jwilbur1 by smtp1-alterdial.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: 119.pcpool89.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.89.119]) id QQgobh12458 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 18:23:05 GMT Message-Id: From: "Jessica Wilbur" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:22:49 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: sleeve or glove? Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <3731C3C7.4C27E634@serv.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" For what it's worth, the original question was also posted on the SCA garb list. I believe that is why it was assumed that the subject was concerned with SCA period. Not flaming either, --Jessica > So then the answer is 19/20 Century, right? Yes, that's the answer. > > This is the COSTUME list, and just because it doesn't occur before 1600 > doesn't mean that it doesn't count. It seems to me that for the past > month, this list is becoming more and more an SCA list, and it's become > tiring. > > We tend to go through cycles regarding SCA period vs. costume list. We've > hit the top of this cycle. Please remember that many of us don't care > about SCA. Laurels and such don't have a huge place on this list. There > are other sites for SCA. > > I don't mean for this to be a flame, really. If I flamed you, you'd know. > It's just difficult when so many of us are interested in historical periods > from across eras as wide as ancient Egypt headdresses to post-war Dior > dresses and we keep hearing, "It's not period." Please be more aware of > which list you're writing on. > > Sincerely and not angry, just tired. > LynnD > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 14:28:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11891 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:28:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA20721; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:53:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA13586 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:38:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA13555 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:38:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glsxchma3.glhec.org (glhec.org [208.155.52.5]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA30530 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:38:29 -0500 Received: by glsxchma3.glhec.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:39:02 -0500 Message-ID: <836E12E1B280D21196FD0000F6B985F541B1F4@glsxchma1.172.27.16.180> From: "Graham, Stuart" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: RE: ANST - 12th Century English Garbing Question Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 13:38:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Graham, Stuart" Thought someone around here might be able to help this person Hirum > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Rayburn [SMTP:timothy_of_glastonbury@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 1999 12:23 PM > To: ansteorra@Ansteorra.ORG > Subject: ANST - 12th Century English Garbing Question > > Greetings, > > In my ever expanding interest to better my garbing, I'm looking for > someone > with real knowledge (as oppsed to my few refrence books) on the matter of > 12th Century Garb, specifically very late 12th Century in England (reign > of > Richard/early John). > > If there is someone out there willing to swap a few emails with me about > this, I'd appreciate. Please drop me a line privately at > timothy@black-star.org and we can chat, I don't see a real need to tie up > the > list with my silly questions about buttons, trim and hose. :) > > Ld. Timothy of Glastonbury > Now of Bjornsburg > ========================================================================== > == > Go to http://lists.ansteorra.org/lists.html to perform mailing list tasks. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 14:28:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11895 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:28:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA20781; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:54:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA13704 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:38:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from centum.utulsa.edu (centum.utulsa.edu [129.244.1.199]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id MAA13672 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:38:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by centum.utulsa.edu for H-COSTUME@INDRA.COM; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:38:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 13:38:46 -0500 From: "I. Marc Carlson" To: H-COSTUME@indra.com Message-Id: <990506133846.57751@centum.utulsa.edu> Subject: Re: H-COST: SHOE sizes Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "I. Marc Carlson" > >so much for my excitement in finding a chart.....next time I'll be >quiet. again, my apologies Ma'am, I don't think that anyone was criticizing you for the information you posted. They were pointing out that the chart you presented, where ever it came from, did not match the facts as they knew them. In this case, I believe that at least some of the numbers are no longer set to any particular standards, although at one time they were. Marc lib_imc@centum.utulsa.edu _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 14:29:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11902 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:29:51 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA21038; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:55:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA14071 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:40:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA14039 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:40:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-163.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.163]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19751 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3731E19D.8507353F@tymeportal.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 14:38:21 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: sleeve or glove? References: <002e01be97dd$c15cbec0$0300a8c0@direct.ca> <3731C35F.35434D6F@serv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah > So then the answer is 19/20 Century, right? Yes, that's the answer. > > This is the COSTUME list, and just because it doesn't occur before 1600 > doesn't mean that it doesn't count. It seems to me that for the past > month, this list is becoming more and more an SCA list, and it's become > tiring. with all due respect, I believe she went to the only source she had personally availed to her for the quickest answer. Just becasue an SCA-an comes back with an answer, does not mean its all inclusive, because as we all kno, the SCA is "not what the middle ages was, but what it was supposed to be" there are the costume police in ANY group, some hold closer to what was done in "the day" than do others, but I would be appreciative of information from what ever source. For some reason, because an SCA'an came back with the answer first, it seems to have raised someone's ire abit. it is ALL history, whether it wavers on the point of fantasy or not sometimes is a question of interpretation, really. > > We tend to go through cycles regarding SCA period vs. costume list. We've > hit the top of this cycle. Please remember that many of us don't care > about SCA. Laurels and such don't have a huge place on this list. There > are other sites for SCA. Comments such as this only fan the "SCA period vs Costume List" IMHO I would hate to see someone think better of posting because it may be interpreted as an SCA question, whether historical or not. when one person on this list may be able to help them. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 14:32:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11981 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:32:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA21448; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:57:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA15062 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:42:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA15025 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:42:27 -0600 (MDT) From: MissMela@aol.com Received: from MissMela@aol.com (14393) by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6EYLa10989 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <97358992.24633bfa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:39:54 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: MissMela@aol.com Penny, there was no budget for the costumes in the new star wars. Yes, no budget! Which means, she had unlimited funds. Don't know the final book keeping on it, but since she has been speaking at several fashion schools about the costumes, that should come up unless she was instructed for it not to be answered. Do know that one of the coat fabrics was $500.00 a yard and they bought 20 yards. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 14:33:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11988 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:33:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA21528; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:58:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA15416 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:43:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from svr-a-05.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-05.core.theplanet.net [194.152.65.205]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA15282 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:42:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem37.hulk.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.37] helo=herimats) by svr-a-05.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10fT6W-0004iY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:42:41 +0100 Message-ID: <002b01be97f0$2b9c4780$57075cc3@herimats> From: "dave;editors(Heritage Matters)" To: References: <002e01be97dd$c15cbec0$0300a8c0@direct.ca><3731C35F.35434D6F@serv.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: sleeve or glove or what? Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 19:40:59 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Words to the Wise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "dave;editors(Heritage Matters)" ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn Downward > This is the COSTUME list, and just because it doesn't occur before 1600 > doesn't mean that it doesn't count. It seems to me that for the past > month, this list is becoming more and more an SCA list, and it's become > tiring. > > We tend to go through cycles regarding SCA period vs. costume list. We've > hit the top of this cycle. Please remember that many of us don't care > about SCA. Laurels and such don't have a huge place on this list. There > are other sites for SCA. > And then there are others of us who must admit be completly befuddled about what SCA is , but have just been too reticent about asking in case it made us seem foolish. Is this something to do with people having names like they were characters in a book about orcs and things; or is it just coincidence that so many people have "the" as a middle name. Also there seems to be alot of people preparing papers and exams; is this because costume is on the curriculum at some schools or is it a college subject. A totally confused Brit Dave L.D.Mundy (editorial) Please Note: All Words to Wise systems including publications :. Heritage Matters, Wise Matters and The Whistle will be down from 7th May to 10th May to allow for the installation of a new server. Websites on outside ISPs will not be effected. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 14:47:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12091 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:47:36 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA24099; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:12:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA20257 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:57:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA20243 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23914 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3731E64B.7F778881@serv.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 11:58:20 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: sleeve or glove? References: <002e01be97dd$c15cbec0$0300a8c0@direct.ca> <3731C35F.35434D6F@serv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > So then the answer is 19/20 Century, right? Yes, that's the answer. No, that's not the answer. My answer was that it was a figment of the imagination of the 19/20 centuries. Many drawings from that time depicting medieval clothing show the sleeve the poster was asking about. Was the sleeve actually worn in the time that was depicted by the drawings from the 19/20 century? No. > This is the COSTUME list, and just because it doesn't occur before 1600 > doesn't mean that it doesn't count. It seems to me that for the past > month, this list is becoming more and more an SCA list, and it's become > tiring. As I said in the post, it was cross posted to SCA Garb. I for one get a little tired of folks who assume that folks in the SCA are inconsiderate and don't think of others. We are, like you, human. We, like you, make errors. In this case you've jumped the gun. Why all the ugly talk and insinuated threats? Just because we have lately been doing some discussing about pre-1600 costuming doesn't mean the list has become SCA. There have been many posts about 1800-1950 costuming such as corseting, civil war, and victorian I currently am not interested in. I just choose to delete them. I don't complain to the list that they're not talking about what *I* want to talk about. Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 15:04:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12491 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:04:03 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA27267; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:29:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA25583 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:13:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA25562 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:13:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24246 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3731EA30.27B9FC99@serv.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 12:14:57 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: sleeve or glove or what? References: <002e01be97dd$c15cbec0$0300a8c0@direct.ca><3731C35F.35434D6F@serv.net> <002b01be97f0$2b9c4780$57075cc3@herimats> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > And then there are others of us who must admit be completly befuddled about > what SCA is , but have just been too reticent about asking in case it made > us seem foolish. Is this something to do with people having names like they > were characters in a book about orcs and things; or is it just coincidence > that so many people have "the" as a middle name. I will answer this honestly because I think it an honest question. The last sentence kind of bothers me, but I'll explain that too. The SCA "recreates the middle ages as they should have been". It is a non-profit group and the purpose is to learn. I admit some folks join because they like picking up sexual partners and getting drunk in costume. But many many of us are serious scholars. And the rest fall somewhere in between those two polarities. The purpose though is to try and find out what it was like. How did they do this? that? Is this what it felt to be in armor? To be hit with a sword? To sew a fine seam? To eat frumenty? And to forget the heads on pikes bit. To answer your question about SCA names. It depends on the name. In my case, "the True" is from Shakespeare's Hamlet, "And this above all, to thine own self be true". Most people in the SCA do not have names with "the" in them. Some do, yes, but most don't. I will not go into how I got my name as it is highly personal to me and not for a public list, but I can say that the name that is registerable is Merouda of Bornover, no "the True". If you want to register your name in the SCA rolls, the name parts must be documentable for instance, John of Trowbridge. You have to be able to document John as a name and Trowbridge as a town. Separately. If you sent documentation that a man named John Trowbridge exited "in period" you will be denied. You can not take the name of real person who existed in those times. In the early days of the SCA things weren't so rigid, so you find a lot of oldtimers with names like Shadowfox. But these days, that's pretty darned rare. > Also there seems to be alot of people preparing papers and exams; is this > because costume is on the curriculum at some schools or is it a college > subject. Lots of folks on the list do research. SCA, Schools of Drama, in the case of Albert Cat, movie costuming. Some compete for themselves, for school exams, for lots of reasons. Costuming is certainly on the curriculum here at the University of Washington. You can get a degree in it. I myself do research for the purpose of competing against myself and others in the SCA. But the requirements, I have found are quite stringent as some schools. And that's enough out of me. I will be glad however, to answer any more questions *OFF* the Historical Costuming list. No question is stupid in my opinion. Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 15:14:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12588 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:14:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA29016; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:39:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA28595 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:23:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA28535 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:23:40 -0600 (MDT) From: SAQUEEN@aol.com Received: from SAQUEEN@aol.com (8059) by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6PRGa13120 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 15:21:57 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com Mela, What a dream project -- quality work with the parameter to "do it right". Hopefully, they had all the resources line up, both time and money. My husband is a project director, different medium than costume, and he often tells his customers: You can have it good, or you can have it cheap, or you can have it fast. But you can only have 2 of the 3. Try the variables, it really works. Sally Queen http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com Calendar 2000:Historic Fashions Turning the Centuries available June 1, 1999 _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 15:34:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12766 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:34:33 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA01960; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:58:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA02310 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:43:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from isomedia.com (root@watson.isomedia.com [207.149.221.16]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA02297 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:43:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wingate (pm435.isomedia.com [207.149.222.194]) by isomedia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA11034 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:43:32 -0700 From: "Wylie & Gail" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Re: sleeve or glove or what? Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:39:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01be97f8$70466de0$0100a8c0@wingate> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3731EA30.27B9FC99@serv.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Wylie & Gail" Well said, Merouda. I myself am confused as I am on both lists (SCA-garb and this one) and did not see the original post which prompted this discussion. ~Meryld Godewyn of Kent modernly known as Gail Dausener-Smith Player in the SCA and not a Scholar (ah, maybe someday) -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Merouda the True of Bornover Sent: Thursday, 06 May, 1999 12:15 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: sleeve or glove or what? -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > And then there are others of us who must admit be completly befuddled about > what SCA is , but have just been too reticent about asking in case it made > us seem foolish. Is this something to do with people having names like they > were characters in a book about orcs and things; or is it just coincidence > that so many people have "the" as a middle name. I will answer this honestly because I think it an honest question. The last sentence kind of bothers me, but I'll explain that too. The SCA "recreates the middle ages as they should have been". It is a non-profit group and the purpose is to learn. I admit some folks join because they like picking up sexual partners and getting drunk in costume. But many many of us are serious scholars. And the rest fall somewhere in between those two polarities. The purpose though is to try and find out what it was like. How did they do this? that? Is this what it felt to be in armor? To be hit with a sword? To sew a fine seam? To eat frumenty? And to forget the heads on pikes bit. To answer your question about SCA names. It depends on the name. In my case, "the True" is from Shakespeare's Hamlet, "And this above all, to thine own self be true". Most people in the SCA do not have names with "the" in them. Some do, yes, but most don't. I will not go into how I got my name as it is highly personal to me and not for a public list, but I can say that the name that is registerable is Merouda of Bornover, no "the True". If you want to register your name in the SCA rolls, the name parts must be documentable for instance, John of Trowbridge. You have to be able to document John as a name and Trowbridge as a town. Separately. If you sent documentation that a man named John Trowbridge exited "in period" you will be denied. You can not take the name of real person who existed in those times. In the early days of the SCA things weren't so rigid, so you find a lot of oldtimers with names like Shadowfox. But these days, that's pretty darned rare. > Also there seems to be alot of people preparing papers and exams; is this > because costume is on the curriculum at some schools or is it a college > subject. Lots of folks on the list do research. SCA, Schools of Drama, in the case of Albert Cat, movie costuming. Some compete for themselves, for school exams, for lots of reasons. Costuming is certainly on the curriculum here at the University of Washington. You can get a degree in it. I myself do research for the purpose of competing against myself and others in the SCA. But the requirements, I have found are quite stringent as some schools. And that's enough out of me. I will be glad however, to answer any more questions *OFF* the Historical Costuming list. No question is stupid in my opinion. Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 15:41:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12848 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:41:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA02996; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:05:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA03458 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:50:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from metroexchg.ct.oge.com ([12.5.243.147]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA03400 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:50:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by METROEXCHG with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2F0GXTTR>; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:49:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: "EPPERSON, SHERYL" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: sleeve or glove? Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:49:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "EPPERSON, SHERYL" I still had this copy of the original question in my files. >From the signature, the person appears to be in the SCA, so the SCA oriented answer was appropriate. I am also in the SCA, but enjoy the discussions of Victorian, Edwardian, etc. costuming on this list as well. H.L. Annabelle Fitzsimmons Mundanely Known As Sheryl Epperson -----Original Message----- From: Brandy Dickson [mailto:query@mindless.com] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 1999 11:17 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: sca-garb@list.uvm.edu Subject: H-COST: sleeve or glove? -Poster: "Brandy Dickson" Greetings everyone! I am helping a friend that is doing a paper for women's studies and she is wanting to know what the term is for a certain piece of clothing. You know the sleeves that are tight fitting right down to the wrist? and sometimes you see them extended right down onto the hand and come to a point over the third knuckle. Sometimes the point has a string that loops around the third finger. Does anyone know what that hand extension is called? I tried looking it up under gloves and sleeves in several of my costume dictionaries but to no avail. Any help would be gratefully accepted. Also, if you have the time period it was first popular in, that would be great too..... Thanks in advance! Desamona Chatelaine of Hartwood m.k.a Brandy Dickson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 16:13:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13131 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:13:14 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA08137; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:37:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA09799 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:22:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from svr-a-05.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-05.core.theplanet.net [194.152.65.205]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA09768 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:22:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem27.hulk.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.27] helo=herimats) by svr-a-05.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10fUfE-00070R-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 6 May 1999 21:22:37 +0100 Message-ID: <005101be97fe$21add3c0$57075cc3@herimats> From: "dave;editors(Heritage Matters)" To: References: <000a01be97f8$70466de0$0100a8c0@wingate> Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: sleeve or glove or what thanks? Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:17:20 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Words to the Wise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "dave;editors(Heritage Matters)" Thanks to all that have helped lift the wool from my eyes re SCA, I found it all very interesting and sense that there might be an article in it. I am about to be switched off while the boffins meddle with the machinery , but as soon as I can perhaps will follow this up . Thanks again Dave LDMundy(editorial) Please Note: All Words to Wise systems including publications :. Heritage Matters, Wise Matters and The Whistle will be down from 7th May to 10th May to allow for the insatalltion of a new server. Websites on outside ISPs will not be effected. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 16:55:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13511 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:55:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA15748; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:20:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA18281 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA18250 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:05:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP195.dialsprint.net [168.191.27.107]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA07024 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007601be9804$5831c360$6b1bbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: sleeve or glove? Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 17:06:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! >No, that's not the answer. My answer was that it was a figment of the >imagination of the 19/20 centuries. Many drawings from that time depicting >medieval clothing show the sleeve the poster was asking about. Was the sleeve >actually worn in the time that was depicted by the drawings from the 19/20 >century? No. I'm guessing that the quibble was in the use of the term "it's not period." I think, for instance, that I've spotted those finger-extension thingies on some vintage gowns ( I couldn't give you a period, but they seem to go with the "art deco" look) and of course, on some modern bridal gowns. So they're definitely "period" for those periods, just not for the 14th century. "Period" is a term, IMO, that absolutely *must* be followed by an explanation: "That's not period for the 14th century." "That's not period for Victorian." I don't like the use of "period" as an adjective that much--I'd much prefer "historically accurate"--but many people understand its usage this way, so I'm not going to complain about it :-) Susan Carroll-Clark _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 17:11:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13694 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 17:11:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA18445; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:35:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA20992 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:20:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA20976 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:20:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA26984 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <373207DC.BD046E2@serv.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 14:21:33 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: sleeve or glove? References: <007601be9804$5831c360$6b1bbfa8@dsc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > I'm guessing that the quibble was in the use of the term "it's not period." The term was never used by me. I never say that. :) The quibble was that I supposedly *assumed* the question was SCA period years. The truth was I *knew* the question was about SCA period year because the question was posted to two lists, sca-garb being one of them. The one that prompted my answer. Which I shared with both lists. > I think, for instance, that I've spotted those finger-extension thingies on > some vintage gowns ( I couldn't give you a period, but they seem to go with > the "art deco" look) and of course, on some modern bridal gowns. So they're > definitely "period" for those periods, just not for the 14th century. Exactly. I too think I saw something pretty close in Edwardian days but couldn't site where. > "Period" is a term, IMO, that absolutely *must* be followed by an > explanation: "That's not period for the 14th century." Exactly. The problem is, no one said "It's not period". C~ -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 18:08:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14198 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 18:08:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA26485; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:35:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA02166 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:19:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA02157 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:19:53 -0600 (MDT) From: Morghana@aol.com Received: from Morghana@aol.com (3875) by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6EARa04195 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 18:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4df7df6d.24636d6a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:10:50 EDT Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #300 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Morghana@aol.com In a message dated 99-05-06 14:24:31 EDT, Jessica Wilbur" writes: << Greetings, everyone, I happen to be friends with the owner of Historically Yours, formerly Costume Connection, which produces Period Patterns. Last time I heard, they did not have the rights to make changes to the patterns, but that situation may have changed. I will ask Steve about that, and also find out if there is a catalog in print right now. Unfortunately their Web site has been down for some time now and I don't know when it's going to be back up. - --Jessica >> Their website is apparently down permanently. The text I saw when I hit it a few weeks ago said they'd decided to close the web business.... and for the last week or so, you only get a 404 ("page not found") when you try the web addy. ~Morghana _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 18:18:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14300 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 18:18:15 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA27722; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:44:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA03682 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:29:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1-alterdial.uu.net (alterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA03671 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:29:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jwilbur1 by smtp1-alterdial.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: 119.pcpool89.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.89.119]) id QQgobx22208 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 22:29:32 GMT Message-Id: From: "Jessica Wilbur" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:29:22 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #300 Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4df7df6d.24636d6a@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" > Unfortunately > their Web site has > been down for some time now and I don't know when it's going to be back up. > > - --Jessica >> > > Their website is apparently down permanently. The text I saw when I hit it a > few weeks ago said they'd decided to close the web business.... and for the > last week or so, you only get a 404 ("page not found") when you try the web > addy. > > ~Morghana That's interesting... I get a Netscape error which says there is no DNS entry. I've been getting that for months now, so I'm surprised you got any text message at all. I sent email to Steve with the questions that were posted on the list. I'll post any reply he sends me... --Jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 18:50:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14652 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 18:50:50 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA01986; Thu, 6 May 1999 17:17:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA09115 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 17:01:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA09085 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 17:01:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-163.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.163]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA20260 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37321EF0.4FD479D3@tymeportal.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 19:00:00 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: braid References: <002e01be97dd$c15cbec0$0300a8c0@direct.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah I am hoping someone out there can point me to a source. I am looking for the braid used on 1940's military (officers) jackets. It's olive green, and what I took off the original, appears to be a rayon blend, because it has somewhat of a shine to it, but then again, I'm not an expert on the contents of braids and passimentaries (I am sure I spelled THAT wrong) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 20:41:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA15713 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 20:41:28 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA15888; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:07:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA24196 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 18:52:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anarchy.io.com (anarchy.io.com [199.170.88.101]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA24191 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 18:52:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragon (as1-dialup-16.io.com [206.224.82.16]) by anarchy.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22453 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:52:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199905070052.TAA22453@anarchy.io.com> From: "Amanda Reeves" To: Subject: H-COST: Simplicity Robe Pattern Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 19:55:22 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Amanda Reeves" Is there a Simplicity pattern or any other pattern readily available to civilians that would work for a Jedi robe? Thanks in advance, Amanda Reeves _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 21:07:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15934 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 21:07:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA18545; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:34:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA27277 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:19:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from isomedia.com (root@watson.isomedia.com [207.149.221.16]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA27260 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:18:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wingate (pm441.isomedia.com [207.149.222.200]) by isomedia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA17873 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 18:18:57 -0700 From: "Wylie & Gail" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Simplicity Robe Pattern Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:16:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000501be9827$470355e0$0100a8c0@wingate> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <199905070052.TAA22453@anarchy.io.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Wylie & Gail" Have you seen the Butterick Pattern 5174 that was put out in '97? From the look of it any bathrobe pattern cut to crotch length would do. Add some breeches, knee length boots, a belt and light saber and there you are! ~G -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Amanda Reeves Sent: Thursday, 06 May, 1999 17:55 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Simplicity Robe Pattern -Poster: "Amanda Reeves" Is there a Simplicity pattern or any other pattern readily available to civilians that would work for a Jedi robe? Thanks in advance, Amanda Reeves _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 21:43:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16321 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 21:43:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA22408; Thu, 6 May 1999 20:10:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA01526 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:55:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA01516 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:55:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-79-56.s56.tnt5.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.79.56]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02442 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 21:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00cf01be982c$aec0b380$384faccf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity Robe Pattern Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:55:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" LOL, this reminds me of last summer when I went to the Blockerbuster's Legend tour with the costumes from major films. They had a uniform from one of the Star Trek movies. It was for one of the principle characters. I just laughed when I saw it... looked like a short bathrobe and pajamas to me! Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com >Have you seen the Butterick Pattern 5174 that was put out in '97? From the >look of it any bathrobe pattern cut to crotch length would do. Add some >breeches, knee length boots, a belt and light saber and there you are! >~G > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On >Behalf Of Amanda Reeves >Sent: Thursday, 06 May, 1999 17:55 >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: H-COST: Simplicity Robe Pattern > > > >-Poster: "Amanda Reeves" > >Is there a Simplicity pattern or any other pattern readily available to >civilians that would work for a Jedi robe? > >Thanks in advance, > >Amanda Reeves > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 6 22:58:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17029 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 22:58:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA01103; Thu, 6 May 1999 21:23:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA02839 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 21:08:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from beaver.slip.net (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA02830 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 21:08:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.189] (helo=default) by mole.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10fazi-0003ok-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 6 May 1999 20:08:10 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 19:44:28 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: sleeve or glove? In-Reply-To: <007601be9804$5831c360$6b1bbfa8@dsc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 05:06 PM 5/6/99. "Susan Carroll-Clark" wrote: >"Period" is a term, IMO, that absolutely *must* be followed by an >explanation: "That's not period for the 14th century." "That's not period >for Victorian." I don't like the use of "period" as an adjective that >much--I'd much prefer "historically accurate"--but many people understand >its usage this way, so I'm not going to complain about it :-) Well said. I have become guilty of overusing 'period' to mean Medieval. Thank you for the reminder. It is a timely one. The original post, I note, having reread it, though posted both to the H-Costume and SCA-Garb lists did not specify a time frame, only asking for the term for the piece that fit over the hand and looped about the fingers. I think that since it appeared on both lists, it was reasonable for Merouda to conclude that the friend who was writing the paper for women's studies was considering this extention something used in the Medieval period. Therefore, it was not unreasonable to post the response she did. However, I do agree that it makes little sense to write of Laurels and use other SCA-specific jargon on the H-Costume list. We can all learn from one another, regardless which our own favorite historical periods may be. I enjoy it all, too, and thank you all for teaching me so much. Carol J. Bell Cannon aka: Gra/inne ingen Domnaill Ilda/naig [in the SCA] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 01:20:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA18774 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 01:20:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA14982; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:47:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA16713 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:32:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA16700 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:32:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.121.19]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA12102 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 01:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37327908.A4F8C2C9@mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 01:24:24 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: sleeve or glove? References: <3731C3C7.4C27E634@serv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Janice Dallas I've often seen this style on dance costumes, especially ball-room. Could be used in those traditional classic ballets, like "Sleeping Beauty". Perhaps it originated long ago in this area of costuming. Janice Dallas JaniceDals@mediaone.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 01:38:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA18887 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 01:37:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA16691; Fri, 7 May 1999 00:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA18014 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:49:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA18007 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:49:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip203-66.cc.interlog.com [207.34.203.66]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA20522 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 01:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990507012234.009e7eb0@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 01:22:34 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: sleeve or glove? In-Reply-To: <002e01be97dd$c15cbec0$0300a8c0@direct.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, >You know the sleeves that are tight fitting right down to the wrist? and >sometimes you see them extended right down onto the hand and come to a point >over the third knuckle. Sometimes the point has a string that loops around >the third finger. Does anyone know what that hand extension is called? I have no idea of what it is called but, I have seen only ONE example, as early as 1618, of the point over the hand. See pg. 6 of Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion." However, the sleeve has a large puff at the top and then cuts in to form a normal sleeve. There doesn't appear to be any finger loop with this. It sounds like it would have been a scholar's gown but, doesn't really say for sure. Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 02:15:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA03414 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 02:15:15 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA18935; Fri, 7 May 1999 00:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA20548 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 00:26:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hil-img-6.compuserve.com (hil-img-6.compuserve.com [149.174.177.136]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA20540 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 00:26:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-6.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id CAA21246 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Fri, 7 May 1999 02:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 02:25:07 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: SHOE sizes To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199905070224_MC2-74D9-8455@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id CAA03414 Status: O -Poster: Melanie Wilson >UK Shoe Size European US Female US Male F4 37 5.5 - F5 38 6.5 - F6 39.5 7.5 - F7 40.5 8.5 7.5 F8 42 9.5 8.5 M8 42.5 - 9 M9 43 - 10 M10 44.5 - 11 M11 45.5 - 12 Sorry you've taken flak on this but, I'm Not sure on the accuracy of this I'm a size 39 continental, 5,5 UK, but all US shoes that fit me have been size 8.5. No these have been sports ones so whether they are all in US mens I don't know. Try http://www.teva.com/sizing.cfm they have a good size chart Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 02:48:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA18347 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 02:48:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id BAA21540; Fri, 7 May 1999 01:14:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA22931 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 00:59:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpamgaaa.compuserve.com (ah-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.217.154]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA22923 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 00:59:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamgaaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.4) id CAA15716 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Fri, 7 May 1999 02:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 02:57:07 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Shoe Sizes To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199905070258_MC2-74D8-6CC0@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id CAA18347 Status: O -Poster: Melanie Wilson > I believe that at least some of the numbers are no longer set to any particular standards, although at one time they were. As far as I'm aware UK & Continental sizes are set the Continental being known as the Paris Point System. Are you planning to order from a company ? If so they will usually tell you if you measure your foot, big toe to heel generally diaoganally or send a tracing. Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 08:18:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21531 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:18:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA08675; Fri, 7 May 1999 06:45:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA19173 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 06:29:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA19165 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 06:29:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Merlyncc@aol.com Received: from Merlyncc@aol.com (14436) by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6MTOa04196 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6f9fe4b3.2464368d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 08:29:01 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Period Patterns?!?!? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merlyncc@aol.com In a message dated 5/6/99 9:15:07 AM Central Daylight Time, smstrss@yahoo.com writes: > Poster: Margretta de Vries > Speaking of Period Patterns/Med. Misc., does anyone > have contact info for them, to possibly get a catalog? > I can't find them anywhere around here (NE Kansas)! We carry Period Patterns. We also have a pattern catalog that includes Period Patterns, Costume Connection patterns and Folkwear patterns. Just e-mail me with name and address, or send a request to: Merlyn Custom Costuming 15330 LBJ Fwy, Suite 202 Mesquite, TX 75150 Priscilla Schmitz _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 09:32:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22454 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:32:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA14373; Fri, 7 May 1999 07:57:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA25998 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 07:42:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA25975 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 07:42:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-199.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.199]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA18470 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3732ED55.10A5968B@tymeportal.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:40:37 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: SHOE sizes References: <199905070224_MC2-74D9-8455@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah thank u Melanie Wilson wrote: > Sorry you've taken flak on this but, I'm Not sure on the accuracy of this > I'm a size 39 continental, 5,5 UK, but all US shoes that fit me have been > size 8.5. No these have been sports ones so whether they are all in US mens > I don't know. > > Try http://www.teva.com/sizing.cfm they have a good size chart > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 09:48:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22563 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:48:33 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA16565; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:14:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA28153 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 07:59:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA28110 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 07:59:19 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnoraK@aol.com Received: from AnnoraK@aol.com (8046) by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6IARa16495 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4c5f5bc2.24644b89@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:58:33 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #300 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnoraK@aol.com In a message dated 5/6/99 6:21:22 PM, Morghana@AOL.COM writes: << I happen to be friends with the owner of Historically Yours, formerly Costume Connection, which produces Period Patterns. Last time I heard, they did not have the rights to make changes to the patterns, but that situation may have changed. I will ask Steve about that, and also find out if there is a catalog in print right now. Unfortunately their Web site has been down for some time now and I don't know when it's going to be back up. - --Jessica >> Their website is apparently down permanently. The text I saw when I hit it a few weeks ago said they'd decided to close the web business.... and for the last week or so, you only get a 404 ("page not found") when you try the web addy. ~Morghana>> Ummm....actually, no. I asked about the website when I bought my pattern. Apparently they had some sort of computer/ISP related problem, which is going to be remedied. So, while the historically-yours.com site is presently down and has been that way for a few months, they have every intention of bringing it back online. Just keep poking the site every few weeks. :-) Jen/Nora _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 09:53:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22643 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:53:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA17769; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA28918 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:04:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA28911 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:04:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06962 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:04:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wer@tiac.net) Received: from wer.tiac.net (p58.tc3.state.MA.tiac.com [206.119.30.59]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA14573 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:04:18 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990507100211.007aa9e0@pop.tiac.net> X-Sender: wer@pop.tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 10:02:11 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Wayne&Bernice Subject: H-COST: 60's/70's costuming In-Reply-To: <6f9fe4b3.2464368d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Wayne&Bernice Hello, As we introduce ourselves, my name is Bernice, and my husband Wayne, run a Vintage Clothing store in Massachusetts... We have noticed not much is said about Authentic period clothing. We have a request, and forgive us if this is out of topic for this group, not sure. We are downsizing our inventory....60/70's......does anyone use these for costuming? or suggestions? We thank you in advance for your kindness and help? Wayne & Bernice Richard Reflections in Vintage Clothing _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 10:01:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22737 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:01:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA19055; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA00125 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:12:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id IAA00105 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA01004 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:09:35 -0400 Message-ID: <005501be9894$0a479e00$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: 60's/70's costuming Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:15:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" Where?!?!?!?! I'm in Massachusetts... let me know where you... I'd love to find a vintage store near me!!! Sarah toneys@rentgrow.com > >-Poster: Wayne&Bernice > >Hello, > >As we introduce ourselves, my name is Bernice, and my husband Wayne, run a >Vintage Clothing store in Massachusetts... > >We have noticed not much is said about Authentic period clothing. We have >a request, and forgive us if this is out of topic for this group, not sure. > >We are downsizing our inventory....60/70's......does anyone use these for >costuming? or suggestions? > >We thank you in advance for your kindness and help? > >Wayne & Bernice Richard >Reflections in Vintage Clothing > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 10:09:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22766 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:09:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA20686; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:36:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA01359 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:20:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id IAA01349 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:20:48 -0600 (MDT) From: lynnx@mc.net Received: (qmail 637 invoked from network); 7 May 1999 14:20:47 -0000 Received: from tntmodem1-174.mc.net (HELO HEATHERL) (209.172.133.174) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 7 May 1999 14:20:47 -0000 Message-ID: <37331605.3352@mc.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:34:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: vintage clothing References: <199905071404.IAA28929@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: lynnx@mc.net There is a vintage clothing list, which is why stuff from the last hundred years doesn't get discussed much on this list. However, I do have guild members who like the 60s-70s, which I don't consider historical, because that would make me historical!If not hysterical. Sorry. Do you sell by mail order, do you have a catalog or web site? Carol Mitchell Chicagoland Costumer's Guild _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 10:18:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22857 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:18:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA21759; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA03017 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:29:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA03007 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:29:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-122-217.bellatlantic.net [151.200.122.217]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13294 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3732F879.4DA28BD0@tymeportal.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 10:28:09 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage clothing References: <199905071404.IAA28929@indra.com> <37331605.3352@mc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah lol! the 60's wouldn't apply alot to me, but the 70's? eeps! I HAD that macrame' fringe vest! I WORE that "peasant" blouse....I HAD AUTHENTIC puka shells! AND that bad...BLUE FROST EYE SHADOW then the LIGHT PINK FROST lipstick! oh yes...and EARTH SHOES! I would have KILLED for long straight hair...but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....red hair...red natural wavy hair. (that my mom - much to my chagrin, kept SHORT) >:o\ now..to me, they're RETRO...anything PRIOR to 1950 is vintage. and anything PRIOR to 1930 is ANTIQUE....:) that's just "my" take on it... Carol Mitchell wrote: > > -Poster: lynnx@mc.net > > There is a vintage clothing list, which is why stuff from the last > hundred years doesn't get discussed much on this list. However, I do > have guild members who like the 60s-70s, which I don't consider > historical, because that would make me historical!If not hysterical. > Sorry. Do you sell by mail order, do you have a catalog or web site? > Chicagoland Costumer's Guild > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 10:25:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22953 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:25:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA22535; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:53:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA04196 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:37:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA04179 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:37:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-122-217.bellatlantic.net [151.200.122.217]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17293 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3732FA49.335BC10A@tymeportal.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 10:35:53 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage clothing References: <199905071404.IAA28929@indra.com> <37331605.3352@mc.net> <3732F879.4DA28BD0@tymeportal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah oh, and I forgot...TOE SOCKS!!! Anah wrote: > > -Poster: Anah > > lol! the 60's wouldn't apply alot to me, but the 70's? eeps! I HAD > that macrame' fringe vest! I WORE that "peasant" blouse....I HAD > AUTHENTIC puka shells! AND that bad...BLUE FROST EYE SHADOW then the > LIGHT PINK FROST lipstick! oh yes...and EARTH SHOES! I would > have KILLED for long straight hair...but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....red > hair...red natural wavy hair. (that my mom - much to my chagrin, kept > SHORT) >:o\ > > now..to me, they're RETRO...anything PRIOR to 1950 is vintage. and > anything PRIOR to 1930 is ANTIQUE....:) that's just "my" take on it... _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 11:07:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23339 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:07:18 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA29185; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:33:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA12453 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:18:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA12391 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:18:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from digger.excite.com ([199.172.152.82]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990507151743.CNPD6515.kuku@digger.excite.com> for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:17:43 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage clothing Message-Id: <926090262.16651.848@excite.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 08:17:42 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "StitchWitch" Uh-oh . . . *Gulp* . . . I still have my toe socks! > > -Poster: Anah > > oh, and I forgot...TOE SOCKS!!! > > Anah wrote: > > > > -Poster: Anah > > > > lol! the 60's wouldn't apply alot to me, but the 70's? eeps! I HAD > > that macrame' fringe vest! I WORE that "peasant" blouse....I HAD > > AUTHENTIC puka shells! AND that bad...BLUE FROST EYE SHADOW then the > > LIGHT PINK FROST lipstick! oh yes...and EARTH SHOES! I would > > have KILLED for long straight hair...but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....red > > hair...red natural wavy hair. (that my mom - much to my chagrin, kept > > SHORT) >:o\ > > > > now..to me, they're RETRO...anything PRIOR to 1950 is vintage. and > > anything PRIOR to 1930 is ANTIQUE....:) that's just "my" take on it... > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME Kate ---- StitchWitch Man is certainly stark mad: he cannot make a flea, yet he makes gods by the dozens. - Montaigne, Essays - 1588 _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 11:20:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23451 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:20:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA01247; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:46:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA15354 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:31:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA15328 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:31:09 -0600 (MDT) From: Simone89@aol.com Received: from Simone89@aol.com (14391) by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6XDZa02302 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:29:09 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage clothing To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Simone89@aol.com In a message dated 5/7/99 10:38:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, anah@tymeportal.com writes: << -Poster: Anah oh, and I forgot...TOE SOCKS!!! Anah wrote: > >> I used to love my TOE SOCKS..... My favorite pair were Red and White Stripes American Flags with blue toes. Sarah M. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 11:51:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23802 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:51:51 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA05871; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:17:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA23648 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:02:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mw3.texas.net (mw3.texas.net [206.127.30.13]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA23636 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:02:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from texas.net (tcnet05-003.sat.texas.net [209.99.119.3]) by mw3.texas.net (2.4/2.4) with ESMTP id LAA00941 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:02:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37330F29.67B063BD@texas.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 11:04:57 -0500 From: Susan Rachel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage clothing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Susan Rachel Simone89@aol.com wrote: > -Poster: Simone89@aol.com > > In a message dated 5/7/99 10:38:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > anah@tymeportal.com writes: > > << > -Poster: Anah > > oh, and I forgot...TOE SOCKS!!! > > Anah wrote: > > >> > I used to love my TOE SOCKS..... My favorite pair were Red and White Stripes > American Flags with blue toes. > > Sarah M. I LOVED toe socks!!! I saw a pair in Target the other day and had to restrain myself from buying and wearing them proudly!! Susan > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 11:56:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23846 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:56:30 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA06711; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:23:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA24904 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:07:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id KAA24893 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:07:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA01442 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 12:04:39 -0400 Message-ID: <008001be98a4$1d3c4460$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage clothing Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 12:10:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" So, here's a question... where does this put me? I mean, I was a kid (like 3 or 4 ) when they were "popular" and I still have mine... granted, I still wear the same size I did when I was 5, but they're my favorites... I even have a pair with fuzzy toes! ;-) Sarah >> oh, and I forgot...TOE SOCKS!!! >> >> Anah wrote: >> > >> >> I used to love my TOE SOCKS..... My favorite pair were Red and White Stripes >> American Flags with blue toes. >> >> Sarah M. > >I LOVED toe socks!!! I saw a pair in Target the other day and had to restrain >myself from buying and wearing them proudly!! > >Susan > >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 12:01:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23974 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 12:01:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA07730; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:28:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA26068 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vail.telesensory.com (vail.telesensory.com [12.7.233.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA25988 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vail.telesensory.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:10:16 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Vickers, Jill" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: vintage clothing Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:10:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Vickers, Jill" I had those exact same socks!! I wore them with my red, white and blue high heeled tennis shoes. -Jill -Poster: Simone89@aol.com I used to love my TOE SOCKS..... My favorite pair were Red and White Stripes American Flags with blue toes. Sarah M. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 12:29:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24221 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 12:29:00 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA12358; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:55:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA02073 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:40:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA02053 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:40:09 -0600 (MDT) From: M311@aol.com Received: from M311@aol.com (14429) by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6DZDa24273 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 12:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <288771da.2464713f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 12:39:27 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage clothing To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: M311@aol.com In a message dated 5/7/99 9:38:02 AM Central Daylight Time, anah@tymeportal.com writes: << oh, and I forgot...TOE SOCKS!!! >> Now I liked toe socks. Actually I wish I could find some. Not the rainbow striped ones I had as a kid though. Maybe a nice soft blue or white though or even black. I grew up in central Illinois, always behind the times a bit, but I remember a few years in the 70's (73-76 maybe) where we wore long knit dresses to Church on Sunday morning. I loved those dresses. No gloves though but little purses. Kelly Albrecht m311@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 15:36:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26140 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 15:36:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA13705; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:02:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA05337 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 13:47:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA05322 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 13:47:06 -0600 (MDT) From: AliaClaire@aol.com Received: from AliaClaire@aol.com (3928) by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6NZUa04196 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 15:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6b9e0ce0.24649d13@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 15:46:27 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage clothing To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 11 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AliaClaire@aol.com In a message dated 5/7/99 11:08:29 AM EST, toneys@rentgrow.com writes: > >> oh, and I forgot...TOE SOCKS!!! > >> Okay, okay, I know I'm showing my age with this (or lack thereof), but as I'm not real big in retro clothing...what are toe socks? -Alison (who would rather be barefoot) Stacy AliaClaire@aol.com Canton, Ohio _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 15:56:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26327 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 15:56:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA16750; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA08995 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:07:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host1.texramp.net (root@host1.texramp.net [209.144.20.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA08984 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:07:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LocalHost (hydroseal.com [209.144.20.50]) by host1.texramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25343 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 15:07:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199905072007.PAA25343@host1.texramp.net> From: "Sterling Ranne" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage clothing Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 15:07:09 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sterling Ranne" > > >> oh, and I forgot...TOE SOCKS!!! > > Okay, okay, I know I'm showing my age with this (or lack thereof), but as I'm > not real big in retro clothing...what are toe socks? Socks are to mittens as Toe Socks are to gloves. Sterling _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 16:09:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26441 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:09:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA18659; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:36:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA11384 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:21:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA11349 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:21:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bucky.excite.com ([199.172.152.80]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990507202056.CYP20897.ewey@bucky.excite.com> for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 13:20:56 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage clothing Message-Id: <926108443.14715.951@excite.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 13:20:43 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "StitchWitch" > > Okay, okay, I know I'm showing my age with this (or lack thereof), but as > I'm > > not real big in retro clothing...what are toe socks? > > Socks are to mittens as Toe Socks are to gloves. > > Sterling Each toe, with it's own little compartment, keeps pretty snug. (Growing up in the midwest, this was important!) All the toe socks I've ever seen have come in pretty wild colors, though I wouldn't mind a set in a solid blue. On a historic note, does anyone know of such compartmentalized undergarments being worn pre-1960's? In colder lands, I would assume this might be a good idea. On a non-historic note, cats think toe socks are THE ENEMY, and must be slain at once! Kate ---- StitchWitch Man is certainly stark mad: he cannot make a flea, yet he makes gods by the dozens. - Montaigne, Essays - 1588 _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 16:10:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26505 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:10:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA18819; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:37:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA11530 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu (mailhub.iastate.edu [129.186.1.102]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA11518 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumes.center.iastate.edu (costumes.center.iastate.edu [129.186.127.4]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA31331 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 15:21:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199905072021.PAA31331@mailhub.iastate.edu> X-Sender: djnash@pop-2.iastate.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 15:23:08 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Doris J. Nash" Subject: H-COST: Whole Costumer's Catalog--update? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Doris J. Nash" Hello All! Could someone post the most recent info for ordering The Whole Costumer's Catalog? I just tried the phone # I had, and got a "Call cannot be completed as dialed" message. Please help! Thanks, Doris ================ Doris Nash 515-294-8863 Costume Shop Supervisor, Iowa State University "...with ruffs and cuffs, and farthingales and things." --Shakespeare, The Taming of the Shrew _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 16:11:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26513 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:11:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA18973; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:38:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA11637 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:22:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from outbound.Princeton.EDU (outbound.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.74]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA11626 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:22:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@outbound.Princeton.EDU (port 51381 [128.112.129.74]) by outbound.Princeton.EDU with ESMTP id <67240-29373>; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:22:40 -0400 Received: from mail.Princeton.EDU (mail.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.14]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26367 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from witsend2 (witsend2.Princeton.EDU [128.112.234.12]) by mail.Princeton.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29679 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:22:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "GRM Files" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: What are Toe-socks--a quick reply Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 16:22:37 -0400 Message-ID: <003101be98c7$5961fb60$0cea7080@witsend2.Princeton.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <6b9e0ce0.24649d13@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "GRM Files" Toe socks are socks with little individual compartments for each toe. Kind of like gloves are to mittens, except that mittens (unlike socks) have a separate compartment for the largest digit. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 16:16:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26529 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:16:00 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA19893; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:43:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA12419 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:27:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id OAA12396 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:27:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02461 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:24:15 -0400 Message-ID: <003201be98c8$8dada080$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage clothing Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 16:31:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" >On a non-historic note, cats think toe socks are THE ENEMY, and must be >slain at once! i figured out why, though... one day, my kitten (well, he's 2, but he'll always be a kitten) decided they were fun... then promptly got his paw stuck in one of the toes... yes, he reached all the way down into the sock and couldn't get it out... it was amusing... well, he didn't think so. ;-) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 16:25:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26620 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:25:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA21309; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:51:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA14015 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA13995 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:35:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-122-217.bellatlantic.net [151.200.122.217]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA25552 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37334E47.83EEB253@tymeportal.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 16:34:15 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage clothing References: <6b9e0ce0.24649d13@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah AliaClaire@aol.com wrote: > Okay, okay, I know I'm showing my age with this (or lack thereof), but as I'm > not real big in retro clothing...what are toe socks? (like gloves for the feet) :) I thot they rocked!I'd LOVE to find some for my neices and nephews it'd be a hoot! and, alison, I PREFER to go barefoot also. even walking in the gravel. I don't mind it much - weird, huh? them durn COUNTRY GENES..lol > > -Alison (who would rather be barefoot) Stacy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 18:04:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27535 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 18:04:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA06164; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:31:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA01373 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA01352 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:15:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailtod-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.129]) by mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id PAA08101; Fri, 7 May 1999 15:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/mt.gso.26Feb98) id PAA25669; Fri, 7 May 1999 15:15:54 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAxk39F6154V8efbTwmYFyDvGVzFoCFQCsQgUCVMBVqV/eGoW8mYeK5QiLrQ== From: starsinger@webtv.net (theresa sorrell) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 16:15:54 -0600 (MDT) To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Toe Socks Message-ID: <11891-3733661A-15015@mailtod-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: owner-h-costume-digest@indra.com's message of Fri, 7 May 1999 14:27:33 -0600 (MDT) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: starsinger@webtv.net (theresa sorrell) The latest sock book put out by Knitters magazine with their contest winners has a pattern for toe socks. The 'This Little Piggy'. With pig motifs and all. I also have a pattern somewhere in my collection of sock patterns for a pattern from that time period. I would guess that the seventies has made a comeback? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 18:07:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27548 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 18:07:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA06686; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:34:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA01919 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA01911 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:19:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01030 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 18:19:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wer@tiac.net) Received: from wer.tiac.net (p28.block2.tc1.state.MA.tiac.com [206.119.246.29]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA20164 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 22:19:06 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990507181836.007a9370@pop.tiac.net> X-Sender: wer@pop.tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 18:18:36 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Wayne&Bernice Subject: Re: H-COST: 60's/70's In-Reply-To: <37334E47.83EEB253@tymeportal.com> References: <6b9e0ce0.24649d13@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Wayne&Bernice WOW....I never expected to see such a great bunch of fun people, although I do apologize this not being a historical topic....but lets face it this is "histerical" ....Toe Socks.... Let me add, I am located in Gardner, MA North Central about 20 minutes from the New Hampshire border..... I agree 60's/70's is not vintage, and why did I allow it to come into my store is beyond me.....Costume for sure....again I apologize this not being to historical.... Bernice PS.....love reading the post and thank you for making me feel welcomed.... I do have a web site however with changes in the store to downsize I need to do changes on this site...although I sell on ebay ....look me up through my email address....again thank you all, you were extremely helpful http://www.tiac.net/users/wer/ Reflections in Vintage Clothing _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 18:15:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27634 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 18:15:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA07152; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA02458 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:22:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA02435 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:22:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27821 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 15:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37336802.48AD69CA@serv.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 15:24:03 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 60's/70's References: <6b9e0ce0.24649d13@aol.com> <3.0.5.32.19990507181836.007a9370@pop.tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > I agree 60's/70's is not vintage, and why did I allow it to come into my > store is beyond me.....Costume for sure....again I apologize this not being > to historical.... Since it's not current, it *is* historical (well it's current but only because it's retro). *G* The list could easily be called Historical Clothing but then it wouldn't include Accessories and Shoes and and and.... Doesn't have to be costume in the modern sense of the word. You're right on topic. :) IMHO -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 18:20:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27717 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 18:20:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA08179; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:46:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA04045 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:31:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA04014 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p44.directcon.net [206.170.184.93]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09535 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 15:27:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 15:27:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199905072327.PAA09535@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: I just have to brag... Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson I went to a garage sale today, given by a woman who used to (a) run a sewing school and (b) make Victorian costumes. I got: A bound set of Godey's for the year 1850 (missing the color plates, unfortunately, but SIGNED by Sara Hale!) two framed, handcolored 1860's fashion plates, the first 12 issues of Threads, Viking walking foot, a pearls and piping foot, and a ribbon foot, a copy of Calico Chronicle, two other sewing books, a 1910 era filligree and green rhinestone fleur de lis shaped belt buckle, a bag of 30 pewter buttons, a Perfect Pleater, the yoke from a 1920's dress, black chiffon almost solidly covered in black rocaillles with 3 yards of matching fringe, 2 yards of machine eyelet embroidered linen, 12 large wooden spools of silk thread, a bag of rayon machine embroidery thread, and a lot of trim and assorted sewing tools. It doesn't have any particular relevance to this list, (unless you live within driving distance of Placerville, CA and want to go there tommorow) but I had to TELL someone, and I knew you all would understand just how happy I am! Margo Anderson (dancing on air) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 19:28:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28280 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:28:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA16852; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA14414 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA14406 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:38:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msmclean.interlog.com (209-20-9-124.dialin.interlog.com [209.20.9.124]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA14369 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990507193840.00692e88@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: msmclean@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 19:38:40 -0400 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: "Marsha S. McLean" Subject: H-COST: H-Costume general inquiry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Marsha S. McLean" It just occurred to me - Does anyone know Lucy Lee Reuther? She was the head costumer for the Otterbein College theater when I was a student there, and a powerful influence on my work. At that time she was married to Robert Fox, a techie. I would love to contact her, if anyone knows of her. Thanks! Marsha _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 19:47:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28475 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:47:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA18690; Fri, 7 May 1999 18:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA16488 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:57:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dias.net (dias.net [199.170.176.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA16474 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:57:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ophelia@localhost) by dias.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA01200 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:11:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ophelia@dias.net) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 19:11:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "Sara J. Davitt" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage clothing In-Reply-To: <926090262.16651.848@excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sara J. Davitt" Target just re-released the Toe Socks recently.... I just bought 3 pair. :-) Sarahj -Poster: "StitchWitch" Uh-oh . . . *Gulp* . . . I still have my toe socks! > -Poster: Anah > oh, and I forgot...TOE SOCKS!!! **2Y's**UR**2Y's**UB**IC**UR**2Y's**4Me** _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 19:48:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28491 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:48:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA18906; Fri, 7 May 1999 18:14:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA16714 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from nfs1-1.bctel.ca (lakecity-m68.bctel.ca [207.194.28.68]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA16696 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:58:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bc.sympatico.ca (nwmr01m02-41.bctel.ca [207.102.215.41]) by nfs1-1.bctel.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13278 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37330FB8.A16ECC83@bc.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:07:21 -0700 From: Agnes Lehto Organization: Shalazar Creations X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage clothing References: <926090262.16651.848@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Agnes Lehto StitchWitch wrote: > -Poster: "StitchWitch" > > Uh-oh . . . *Gulp* . . . I still have my toe socks! Me too PLUS all the other stuff and a pair of clogs with roller skates which dropped out of the sole. Does that make us retro or just ancient? Nan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 20:57:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA29251 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:57:58 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA25235; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:23:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA23981 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:07:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from plaid.engin.umich.edu (root@plaid.engin.umich.edu [141.213.42.62]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA23971 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:07:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (parsla@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plaid.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA16710 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 21:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 21:07:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Parsla Liepa To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage clothing In-Reply-To: <926108443.14715.951@excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Parsla Liepa Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29336 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 21:01:58 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA25775; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA24411 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:12:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from svpal.svpal.org (suetoo@svpal.svpal.org [204.118.32.56]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA24405 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (suetoo@localhost) by svpal.svpal.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA05728 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 18:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 18:12:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Toorans To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage clothing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Sue Toorans ** Sue I am *NOT* a rabid feminist! I had my shots last year. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 21:05:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29352 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 21:05:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA26225; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:31:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA24794 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA24788 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:15:39 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (322) by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6SGWa04813 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 21:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 21:14:15 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 5/6/99 3:25:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SAQUEEN@aol.com writes: << My husband is a project director, different medium than costume, and he often tells his customers: You can have it good, or you can have it cheap, or you can have it fast. But you can only have 2 of the 3. Try the variables, it really works. >> On a film I worked, someone in the paint dept. had a T-shirt with this on the back: Good / \ / \ / \ Fast----------Cheep PICK TWO _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 21:05:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29356 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 21:05:58 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA26334; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:31:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA24865 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:16:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA24859 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:16:14 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com (14448) by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6PSMa06461 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 21:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 21:15:25 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage clothing To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com I believe the Japanese do have socks with the big toe separated--the easier to wear with thongs. (I know there is a special name for them, which escapes me at the moment. I'm sure someone out there knows.) Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 21:07:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29366 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 21:07:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA26541; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:34:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA25135 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:18:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vail.telesensory.com (vail.telesensory.com [12.7.233.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA25103 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:18:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vail.telesensory.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 7 May 1999 18:15:54 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Vickers, Jill" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: vintage clothing Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 18:15:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Vickers, Jill" They're called Tabi (I hope I spelled that right!) -Jill -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com I believe the Japanese do have socks with the big toe separated--the easier to wear with thongs. (I know there is a special name for them, which escapes me at the moment. I'm sure someone out there knows.) Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 7 22:27:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA30150 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 22:27:14 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA04915; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:53:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA02268 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:37:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from beaver.slip.net (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA02258 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:37:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.185] (helo=default) by mole.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10fwzP-0001K5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:37:20 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 19:38:32 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: vintage clothing In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 09:15 PM 5/7/99 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com > >I believe the Japanese do have socks with the big toe separated--the easier >to wear with thongs. (I know there is a special name for them, which escapes >me at the moment. I'm sure someone out there knows.) >Ann Wass > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > I think I've seen : tabi : used as the term for those socks. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 8 00:39:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA31483 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 00:39:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA16035; Fri, 7 May 1999 23:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA13606 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 22:50:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id WAA13598 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 22:50:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by ivillage.com; Fri May 7 21:49:36 1999 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 21:49:36 -0700 From: "Gina Henderson" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: H-COST: Re: Help X-Sender-Ip: 208.254.216.192 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Gina Henderson" Someone please help me get off this list. I've sent the msgs., gone to the web site etc. -- Visit http://www.ivillage.com for your FREE iVillage.com email account. iVillage.com: The #1 Women's Network -- Real Solutions for Real Women. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 8 00:59:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA31661 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 00:59:08 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA17220; Fri, 7 May 1999 23:25:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA15102 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 23:09:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA15092 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 23:09:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sue.computercrafters.com (pm3frd1-68-98.intrepid.net [206.102.68.98]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA05063 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:09:28 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990508011043.008fa100@intrepid.net> X-Sender: sshatto@intrepid.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 01:10:43 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sue Shatto Subject: H-COST: shoe sizes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Sue Shatto I have a shoe store measuring Thingy. So I measured in inches to compare with the shoe sizes range. here are the results. By the way , I was so surprised to see how little how little it takes to change to a larger shoe size. 10 1/2" -10 10 1/4" -9 1/2 10" -9 9 3/4" - 8 1/2 9 1/2" -8 9 1/4" -7 0r 7 1/2 9" -6 or 6 1/2 8 3/4" -6 8 1/2" -5 1/2 Of course, the narrowness of the shoes and the pointiness of the toe can render this chart practically useless. These are women's shoes only! I also have a chart that compares the different sizes in different countries. It came on the bottom of a Nike shoe box. I will see if I can locate it. Cordially, Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com http://www.VictorianMillinery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 8 01:12:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA32031 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:12:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA18229; Fri, 7 May 1999 23:39:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA16161 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 23:23:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.radiks.net (mail.radiks.net [205.138.126.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA16155 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 23:23:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup (56K-lnk-145.radiks.net [206.29.243.147]) by mail.radiks.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA28327 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 00:23:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990508002150.008a3100@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 00:21:50 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Subject: H-COST: Movie stuff and Whole costumer's catalog In-Reply-To: <199905071404.IAA28929@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger > >- -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > >LOL, this reminds me of last summer when I went to the Blockerbuster's >Legend tour with the costumes from major films. They had a uniform from one >of the Star Trek movies. It was for one of the principle characters. I just >laughed when I saw it... looked like a short bathrobe and pajamas to me! > When we went to see the Star Wars exhibit at the Smithsonian last year, we were LOL to see that both Admiral Ackbar's (fishy alien) tunic and the Stormtroopers snow gear were made out of what looked very much like white wool blankets. What was even more fun was we had just bought about a half dozen of them really cheap. Also, it was very obvious that Obi-Wan Kenobi's costume, which looked like burlap from all the pictures, was loosely woven raw silk. Makes sense, given the temps they were filming in. >Could someone post the most recent info for ordering The Whole Costumer's >Catalog? What I have from the 1998 edition: The Whole Costumer's Catalogue Box 207 / 2860 Main St. Beallsville, PA 15313-0207 (724) 632-3242 castleb@pulsenet.com Copies are $17.00 plus $3.00 p & h for Continental U.S. Ask for other postal rates. Hope this helps. Sandy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 8 01:21:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA32138 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:21:42 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA19111; Fri, 7 May 1999 23:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA16864 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 23:31:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA16856 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 23:31:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-79-23.s23.tnt5.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.79.23]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA07577 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008901be9914$1d898520$174faccf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: 60's/70's Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 01:32:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" My understanding of vintage clothing vs. historic costume... Vintage clothing is costumes from a given period that are still wearable. When one is supposed to stop wearing a time period's clothing is when very few original pieces exist. An example is that the costume crew from Titanic used up a lot of that time period's vintage clothing from many dealers. This created a shortage in the marketplace. Some dealers believe this era's costumes has now passed into the historic costume category. I found this description from a very high-end dealer's website. I wish I knew the url>>> The site went into dates of clothing one should not wear the costumes from because of limited availability of originals. She suggested that pieces in these rare eras should be NOT worn but preserved. Actually where many curators stand on this issue is that costumes are considered historic when the fashion has passed through the fashion life cycle. Generally five years afterwards is a safe bet. Clothing from the 1960-1985 are really considered historic. The Valentine is currently hosting an exhibit with 200 years of children clothing and several pieces are teenagers' clothing from the 1960-1994. When was the last time you saw a kid wear a tye dyed shirt with matching tye dyed pants? But in the late 70s its was fashionable. Also, the Wenham Museum in Mass. will be hosting an exhibit on costumes of the 1960-70s. I'd love to see that exhibit! I recently heard rumored that vintage Levi's denim jackets with the red tag are in high demand and commanding very high prices. The jackets are vintage and historic costume. I guess this would be a good topic at the banquet table at CSA's symposium in a couple of weeks. Maybe I'll start that conversation up and then be a fly on the wall. Maybe, I will have a dealer and curator at my table. I think the main difference between historic and vintage is... historic is the study of past fashion periods and vintage is the current usage and availability of actual costumes from past fashion periods. I'll let you know when I get back from Santa Fe, what was said... Later...Penny (who still loves to wear my "You've Come A Long Way, Baby" t-shirt {vintage and historic}) http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 9 10:21:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16157 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 10:21:33 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA28851; Sun, 9 May 1999 08:50:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA12897 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 9 May 1999 08:31:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.LCIA.COM (mail.shamerockhomes.com [207.30.138.60]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA12883 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 08:31:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from woodenporch.com ([209.26.68.179]) by mail2.LCIA.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52462U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id COM for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 10:36:13 -0400 Message-ID: <37356488.DFC3B644@woodenporch.com> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 10:33:54 +0000 From: Lois X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: books on Ebay References: <199904231519.JAA16866@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lois Hello all, I have listed more books on ebay. We'll be heading home the end of this week. Just too hot in Florida this time of the year. I'll be listing 4-5 books a day then until all 15 or so shelves are empty. Bookmark my ebay page and check in now and then: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=101729801 Two new titles entered last night are: Fashion in History by Bigelow http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=101729801 Imperial Style. Fashions of the Hapsburg Era http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=101690866 Thanks for looking, Lois Lois Mueller Wooden Porch Books books@woodenporch.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 9 20:47:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22197 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:47:03 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA25491; Sun, 9 May 1999 19:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA03128 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:57:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (tor-smtp1.netcom.ca [207.181.101.69]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA03121 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:57:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default (trt-on8-96.netcom.ca [216.123.37.224]) by tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA27773 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002e01be9a7f$f794c9c0$e0257bd8@default> From: "David Stamper & Eve Harris" To: Subject: H-COST: Buff Coats Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 20:54:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "David Stamper & Eve Harris" Greetings! I am interested in any info people might have on pre -17th century buff coats (say 1550-1600) . Are there examples of long leather coats used as armour during the Elizabethan period, or were they mostly found around the time of the English Civil War. I know there were a lot of leather garments in the 16th century, but when did the coat come in? I've seen some long coats worn under breast plates in the Lant's Rolls of the funeral of Sir Phillip Sydney, could these be a form of buff coat? Any info you have would be greatly appreciated. I was mostly hoping to confirm that such a thing existed. Thank you in advance Albrecht (Yes Nicolaa, its me.) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 9 20:48:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22219 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:48:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA25689; Sun, 9 May 1999 19:18:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA03280 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:59:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA03273 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:59:02 -0600 (MDT) From: snowfire@mail.snet.net Received: from [204.60.47.29] (hrfr-sh15-port29.snet.net [204.60.47.29]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with SMTP id UAA29277 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905100058.UAA29277@smtp.snet.net> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 20:57:45 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: SHOE sizes To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3731B546.5D18F5E9@tymeportal.com> X-Mailer: SPRYNET Mail 32-Bit Mail Version: 05.00.06.72 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: snowfire@mail.snet.net Size 9 womens here would be a size 7 over in the UK. We (I was born and raised in Wales) ohly have one continuous shoe sizing chart for childrens, womens and mens. 0, 00, 1 - 13, 1 - 13 Don't ask my why it's organized in 2 sets of 1 -13 though! babies = low end, kids, up through 1st 13 and maybe few more like 1 - 3 in the 2nd 13, womens usually 2 or 3 - 8 or 9 (2nd 1 - 13) Mens higher middle to end of second 1 - 13. I general, American women's shoe size for the same shoe is 2 figures more that than the English size would be for the same shoe. Then there's the european shoe sizes, which I've seen, but don't really know too much about. Clothes on the other hand... British size 16 = American size 14. Which makes me very happy as I'm living the US. and now I take a "smaller" size! :-) I wonder when did all these sizes come about? Also, when did paper patterns come about, and what did they use before that? Elysant On Thu, 06 May 1999, Anah wrote: > >-Poster: Anah > > > >in regard to UK shoe sizes, what is the conversion? meaning, if one >wears a 9 in US sizes, what is it likely to be in UK sizes? > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 9 21:25:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22625 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:25:26 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA28952; Sun, 9 May 1999 19:55:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA06106 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 9 May 1999 19:35:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA06097 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 19:35:53 -0600 (MDT) From: snowfire@mail.snet.net Received: from [204.60.10.69] (hrfr-sh5-port69.snet.net [204.60.10.69]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with SMTP id VAA12743 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905100135.VAA12743@smtp.snet.net> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 21:34:35 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: sleeve or glove? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3731E19D.8507353F@tymeportal.com> X-Mailer: SPRYNET Mail 32-Bit Mail Version: 05.00.06.72 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: snowfire@mail.snet.net -Poster: Elysant Greetings the list. I am SCAdian (not SCA'an BTW :-)), and deeply appreciate the actions of one of the gentles on this list who, a couple of months ago, gave me the new subscription information for the SCA-garb list (which had apparently moved). I had been trying to find access to this SCA list for several months, but only had found this list via the kindness help of the Eastern Kingdom List Administrator. Many other SCAdians are and have also been quite unable to subscribe to SCA garb, because of its moving sites, as well as they're not having access to subscription information, and have I'm sure been participating on this list asking questions as pertain to their particular period and garb needs. To help my fellow SCAdians, I recently mentioned SCA-garb on the Eastern Kingdom list and offered to send out the subscription info to interested gentles. Many people were appreciative of the information, and took up my offer of it. I would therefore like to similarly offer here that if there are any SCAdians who wish to join the SCA-garb list, please e-mail me privately I will forward the subscription information to you. I appreciate any and all input in the subject of costuming the experts and enthusiasts on this list share. And I'm sure SCAdians are very appreciative of the camaraderie here. :-) BTW, many of us, myself included, also have historical costuming interests outside the SCA period as well. My particular favourite is the 18th century, pre-empire. :-) Yours in Service to the dream Elysant de Holtham MKA Jean Holtom On Thu, 06 May 1999, Anah wrote: > >-Poster: Anah > > > > >> So then the answer is 19/20 Century, right? Yes, that's the answer. >> >> This is the COSTUME list, and just because it doesn't occur before 1600 >> doesn't mean that it doesn't count. It seems to me that for the past >> month, this list is becoming more and more an SCA list, and it's become >> tiring. > >with all due respect, I believe she went to the only source she had >personally availed to her for the quickest answer. Just becasue an >SCA-an comes back with an answer, does not mean its all inclusive, >because as we all kno, the SCA is "not what the middle ages was, but >what it was supposed to be" there are the costume police in ANY group, >some hold closer to what was done in "the day" than do others, but I >would be appreciative of information from what ever source. > >For some reason, because an SCA'an came back with the answer first, it >seems to have raised someone's ire abit. > >it is ALL history, whether it wavers on the point of fantasy or not >sometimes is a question of interpretation, really. >> >> We tend to go through cycles regarding SCA period vs. costume list. We've >> hit the top of this cycle. Please remember that many of us don't care >> about SCA. Laurels and such don't have a huge place on this list. There >> are other sites for SCA. > >Comments such as this only fan the "SCA period vs Costume List" IMHO I >would hate to see someone think better of posting because it may be >interpreted as an SCA question, whether historical or not. when one >person on this list may be able to help them. > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 09:25:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28776 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:25:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA20322; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:55:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA29620 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:34:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id HAA29615 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:34:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA20123 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:31:38 -0400 Message-ID: <006501be9aea$5ef6a600$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: 60's/70's Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:38:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" Okay, I must tell you all... I was in Boston yesterday shopping and I found a store that sells toe socks!!! For the life of me I can't remember the name of the store, but it is in the South Market Upstairs. So, if you're in the Boston area, have fun! > >-Poster: Wayne&Bernice > > > >WOW....I never expected to see such a great bunch of fun people, although I >do apologize this not being a historical topic....but lets face it this is >"histerical" ....Toe Socks.... > >Let me add, I am located in Gardner, MA North Central about 20 minutes from >the New Hampshire border..... > >I agree 60's/70's is not vintage, and why did I allow it to come into my >store is beyond me.....Costume for sure....again I apologize this not being >to historical.... > >Bernice > >PS.....love reading the post and thank you for making me feel welcomed.... > >I do have a web site however with changes in the store to downsize I need >to do changes on this site...although I sell on ebay ....look me up through >my email address....again thank you all, you were extremely helpful > >http://www.tiac.net/users/wer/ > >Reflections in Vintage Clothing > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 09:37:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28890 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:37:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA22104; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:08:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA01239 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:48:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA01233 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-194.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.194]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA06041 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3736E325.97DF6E46@tymeportal.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:46:13 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 60's/70's References: <006501be9aea$5ef6a600$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah ok, what is the name of it so we can call directory assistance????? Sarah Toney wrote: > > -Poster: "Sarah Toney" > > Okay, I must tell you all... I was in Boston yesterday shopping and I found > a store that sells toe socks!!! For the life of me I can't remember the > name of the store, but it is in the South Market Upstairs. So, if you're > in the Boston area, have fun! > > > > >-Poster: Wayne&Bernice > > > > > > > >WOW....I never expected to see such a great bunch of fun people, although I > >do apologize this not being a historical topic....but lets face it this is > >"histerical" ....Toe Socks.... > > > >Let me add, I am located in Gardner, MA North Central about 20 minutes from > >the New Hampshire border..... > > > >I agree 60's/70's is not vintage, and why did I allow it to come into my > >store is beyond me.....Costume for sure....again I apologize this not being > >to historical.... > > > >Bernice > > > >PS.....love reading the post and thank you for making me feel welcomed.... > > > >I do have a web site however with changes in the store to downsize I need > >to do changes on this site...although I sell on ebay ....look me up through > >my email address....again thank you all, you were extremely helpful > > > >http://www.tiac.net/users/wer/ > > > >Reflections in Vintage Clothing > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 09:41:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28963 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:41:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA22611; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:13:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA01719 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:52:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id HAA01695 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA20284 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:49:13 -0400 Message-ID: <00c701be9aec$d4172ac0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: 60's/70's Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:55:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" Note my original post... I don't remember... sorry! ;-( I saw them and didn't really even think about it until later. sarah >ok, what is the name of it so we can call directory assistance????? > >Sarah Toney wrote: >> >> -Poster: "Sarah Toney" >> >> For the life of me I can't remember the >> name of the store, but it is in the South Market Upstairs. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 11:09:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29720 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:09:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA05081; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:39:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA16679 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:18:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA16658 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA17487; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09743; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:18:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:18:00 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: SCA-GARB@LIST.UVM.EDU, h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: New book: The Inventory of Henry VIII Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: aleed Hey guys, I just found the most amazing book--it came out last fall, and costs an arm and a leg, but it's worth it. I found it at the Medieval Congress at Kalamazoo, sold by David Stone books. It's the Complete Inventory of Henry VIII, compiled in 1547, and includes descriptions of everything from clothing(the most important, naturally. ;) to furniture, bedding, firefighting equipment, weapons, tools, jewelry, etc., etc. ad nauseum. It's very big, and is actually the first of three books--this one is the transcription of the inventory, while the next two are an analysis of it. Janet Arnold was involved in the project before her death. I've only had half an hour to look over it, and have already seen a couple of intriguing listings as well as a couple of items that may set the tudor fashion scene on it's ear: two listings for knitted silk hose of crimson and gold as well as a knitted partlet & doublet, partlets listed specifically as being without sleeves, sleeveless gowns, and so on. You can order all three books from the UK amazon site at http://www.amazon.co.uk/ . Yours, Drea (poorer but happier nonetheless) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 11:28:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29926 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:28:37 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA09568; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:59:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA20900 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:39:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA20858 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:39:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA18379 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10155 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:38:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:38:55 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Medieval Congress Redux Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: aleed Just wanted to let the list know how the Kalamazoo Medieval Congress went, textile-wise. I gave a paper on 16th century lower-class Flemish dress, Robin Netherton gave a fabulous paper on the evolution of the 15th century V-necked gown, and Anne Reaves gave a paper on medieval islamic knitting. The Islamic knitting talk was tres cool--Anne had examples of socks that she had knitted off of Islamic originals, and explained the shaping and structure of the socks and how they were knitted. Many islamic knitted socks had bands of blue geometric designs and knitted "Allah" bands, which contained the inscription "Allah" in blue. She also had some very interesting things to say about the history of medieval knitting in general, and the distinctions between and evolution from nalbindung to knitting. Robin's 15th century V-necked gown talk was also fascinating. She used tons of slides to pinpoint the precise evolution from the houppeland with a turned-back collar to the late 15th century tight-fitting V-necked gown, including information on construction that I'd never seen or read anywhere else. She also had an actual illumination she'd found of the underdress worn under these gowns which showed the placket attached to it, that shows within the V of the V-necked gown later on. The talk actually got me, who's never wanted to even wear a V-necked gown, excited about making one. There were other textile talks too, and more books than are good for any one person to see in the bookseller's room. Including an edition of Queen Elizabeth's wardrobe Unlock'd, CIBA reviews, the Henry VIII inventory mentioned in the previous email, and various archeological type books containing articles on such things as shoes recovered from the Mary Rose and dress accessories in the Museum of London. (The latter had pictures of two french hood frames and one gable hood wire frame). There were too many manuscript facsimiles and art books to count, ranging from $10 to $10,000. Well, in short, it was fantastic--I've got enough articles, ideas, and new material to keep me busy for years. Plus I met some really incredible people. Drea Leed _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 11:32:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA30005 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:32:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA10455; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:03:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA21707 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:42:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA21635 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:42:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-12 #29137) id <01JB1EI2Z0EO00GHUG@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:44:43 BST Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-12 #29137) with ESMTP id <01JB1EFBJ4IQ00ERDR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:22:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); Mon, 10 May 1999 16:19:29 +0000 (GMT0BST) Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.43); Mon, 10 May 1999 16:19:07 +0000 (GMT0BST) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:19:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Teddy Subject: H-COST: Toe Socks To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.40 (NDS) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Teddy > (like gloves for the feet) :) I thot they rocked!I'd LOVE to find some > for my neices and nephews it'd be a hoot! I still wear them. I buy the rainbow striped ones as they're my favourites, I've seen some in shdes of laveneder and a few other pastel combinations too.... *sock Shop* in England stocks them every few years they "come back in" and they stock up on them again. > and, alison, I PREFER to go barefoot also. even walking in the gravel. > I don't mind it much - weird, huh? them durn COUNTRY GENES..lol I too prefer barefoot but had to give up when I moved to the city (London, England) It didn'y happen straight away but the day I nearly stepped on a discarded syringe did it for me.... Teddy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 11:35:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA30028 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:35:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA10897; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA22372 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:45:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA22364 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:45:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-194.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.194]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08392 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3736FEBD.408846F8@tymeportal.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:43:57 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Toe Socks References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah Teddy wrote: > I still wear them. I buy the rainbow striped ones as they're my > favourites, I've seen some in shdes of laveneder and a few other > pastel combinations too.... *sock Shop* in England stocks them every > few years they "come back in" and they stock up on them again. do they have a website? or would you happen to have contact info for them? > I too prefer barefoot but had to give up when I moved to the city > (London, England) It didn'y happen straight away but the day I nearly > stepped on a discarded syringe did it for me.... so I guess that pretty much leaves going barefoot only when u are at home, right? :) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 11:38:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA30041 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:38:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA11441; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:09:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA23003 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:49:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA22984 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-194.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.194]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22379 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3736FF7B.387887B@tymeportal.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:47:07 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Shakespear In Love References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah ok..here's my plea. No fair flogging me either. I haven't had a chance to SEE shakespear in love, but I AM buying the video so I will have it forever. HOWEVER. I NEED to get my hands on a shot of the dress Gweneth's character wears as she plays Juliet in the movie. can anyone point me to a good url? I have seen pictures, and have guessed on what may have been the dress referred to. when I asked one of the extras if she knew of a decent full shot of the dress, she sent me a picture of something that I was pretty sure WASN'T the Juliet dress. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 12:13:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA30415 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:13:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA16690; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:44:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA00238 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:23:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA00217 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:23:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16083 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37370845.FCC7A116@serv.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:24:37 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: New book: The Inventory of Henry VIII References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > You can order all three books from the UK amazon site at > http://www.amazon.co.uk/ . I would love to have the titles and authors names for the three books? And at the risk of being crude, what did the Inventory cost? Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 12:19:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA30442 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:19:09 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA17782; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:49:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA01273 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA01254 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:28:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16192 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37370961.1511B82D@serv.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:29:22 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Medieval Congress Redux References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover So now that I'm pea green with envy and curious as a dead cat, please oh please, is there more information on this? Sources? Copies of the handout? Cynthia > Robin's 15th century V-necked gown talk was also fascinating. She used > tons of slides to pinpoint the precise evolution from the houppeland with > a turned-back collar to the late 15th century tight-fitting V-necked gown, > including information on construction that I'd never seen or read anywhere > else. She also had an actual illumination she'd found of the underdress > worn under these gowns which showed the placket attached to it, that shows > within the V of the V-necked gown later on. The talk actually got me, > who's never wanted to even wear a V-necked gown, excited about making one. -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 12:22:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA30515 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:22:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA18728; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:54:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA02348 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:33:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA02321 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-194.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.194]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA13998 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <373709CB.3208F41A@tymeportal.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:31:07 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Medieval Congress Redux References: <37370961.1511B82D@serv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah ok, I'll bite as well..I'd like to see this also Merouda the True of Bornover wrote: > > -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > > So now that I'm pea green with envy and curious as a dead cat, please oh > please, is there more information on this? Sources? Copies of the handout? > Cynthia > > > Robin's 15th century V-necked gown talk was also fascinating. She used > > tons of slides to pinpoint the precise evolution from the houppeland with > > a turned-back collar to the late 15th century tight-fitting V-necked gown, > > including information on construction that I'd never seen or read anywhere > > else. She also had an actual illumination she'd found of the underdress > > worn under these gowns which showed the placket attached to it, that shows > > within the V of the V-necked gown later on. The talk actually got me, > > who's never wanted to even wear a V-necked gown, excited about making one. > > -- > Cynthia Long > Merouda the True of Bornover > Barony of Madrone > Kingdom of An Tir > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 12:22:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA30519 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:22:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA18732; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA02358 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:33:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA02322 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20671 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11227 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:32:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:32:55 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: The Inventory of Henry VIII In-Reply-To: <37370845.FCC7A116@serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: aleed > > I would love to have the titles and authors names for the three books? And at > the risk of being crude, what did the Inventory cost? The official titles & authors are: The Inventory of King Henry VIII Vol I: The Transcript by Philip Ward, et al The Inventory of King Henry VIII Vol II: Essays & Illustrations by Philip Ward, et al The Inventory of King Henry VIII Vol III: Essays & Illustrations by Philip Ward, et al I just did a quick keyword search on "Inventory Henry" and they all come up. As for the cost: Amazon has it for 150 pounds. The retail cost was $265 from David Stone; the Medieval Congress Discount brought it down to $198. And (at the risk of being overly-gleeful), I snagged it on the last day of the congress at half price, for $96. Of course, now I have to get vols II and III... Drea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 12:48:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA30731 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:48:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA23568; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:20:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA07558 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:59:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA07483 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:58:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA21675 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11652 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:58:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:58:53 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Medieval Congress Redux In-Reply-To: <373709CB.3208F41A@tymeportal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: aleed Anah & Merouda (& all y'all: ) Robin was on this list until recently--I'll ask her to post a message about the paper, etc. (I know she'd kill me if I opened a deluge of requests upon her. ;> Ta, Drea > > -Poster: Anah > > ok, I'll bite as well..I'd like to see this also > > Merouda the True of Bornover wrote: > > > > -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > > > > So now that I'm pea green with envy and curious as a dead cat, please oh > > please, is there more information on this? Sources? Copies of the handout? > > Cynthia > > > > > Robin's 15th century V-necked gown talk was also fascinating. She used > > > tons of slides to pinpoint the precise evolution from the houppeland with > > > a turned-back collar to the late 15th century tight-fitting V-necked gown, > > > including information on construction that I'd never seen or read anywhere > > > else. She also had an actual illumination she'd found of the underdress > > > worn under these gowns which showed the placket attached to it, that shows > > > within the V of the V-necked gown later on. The talk actually got me, > > > who's never wanted to even wear a V-necked gown, excited about making one. > > > > -- > > Cynthia Long > > Merouda the True of Bornover > > Barony of Madrone > > Kingdom of An Tir > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 13:36:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA31196 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:36:50 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA02855; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:07:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA17810 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:46:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.montclair.edu (enterprise.montclair.edu [130.68.1.21]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA17765 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:45:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.montclair.edu ([130.68.95.108]) by mail.montclair.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA33DB for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:45:57 -0400 Message-ID: <37371C21.7BC3FDF0@mail.montclair.edu> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:49:48 -0400 From: "Gina Balestracci" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Medieval Congress Redux References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Gina Balestracci" Drea, I saw you at the conference (in the book room), looked at your nametag, the name registered, but I couldn't remember from where (you see so many people "out of context" at these things) and was rushing somewhere or other. I wasn't able to make it to any of the costuming sessions because of "professional" commitments--costuming is an avocation for me, but I heard the rumbles in the cafeteria about how good they were. I should've said something! Gina Balestracci balestraccig@mail.montclair.edu _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 13:57:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA31401 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:57:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA07518; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:28:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA22462 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:07:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA22424 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:07:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA24388 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12849 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:07:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:07:19 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Medieval Congress Redux In-Reply-To: <37371C21.7BC3FDF0@mail.montclair.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: aleed Oh boy, now it's my turn to be embarassed...Gina Balestracci...Gina...I know three Ginas, and for the life of me can't remember which one you would be. Where did you see me in the book room? I, too saw so many people that looked maddeningly familiar, and heard so many names I knew I'd heard before on h-costume, a book cover, or in the society that I couldn't keep any straight. (Of course, most of the people there are bound to be interesting, whether or not I know them from somewhere else.) I'm glad to hear that the costuming sessions were rumbled about! What's your official field? Drea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 14:37:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA31793 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:37:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA16108; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:07:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA27654 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA27537 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:32:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA25631 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13360 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:32:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:32:24 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Medieval Congress Redux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: aleed Urk...I can't believe I did the private-posting-to-a-list thing. Sorry, all you guys! Drea On Mon, 10 May 1999, aleed wrote: > > -Poster: aleed > > > Oh boy, now it's my turn to be embarassed...Gina Balestracci...Gina...I > know three Ginas, and for the life of me can't remember which one you > would be. > > Where did you see me in the book room? I, too saw so many people that > looked maddeningly familiar, and heard so many names I knew I'd heard > before on h-costume, a book cover, or in the society that I couldn't keep > any straight. (Of course, most of the people there are bound to be > interesting, whether or not I know them from somewhere else.) > > I'm glad to hear that the costuming sessions were rumbled about! > What's your official field? > > Drea > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 14:39:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA31803 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:39:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA16602; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:09:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA00968 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:48:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpamgaaa.compuserve.com (ah-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.217.154]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA00926 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:48:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamgaaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.4) id OAA26143 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:47:42 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Shoes & sizes To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199905101447_MC2-752F-AA53@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id OAA31803 Status: O -Poster: Melanie Wilson >Size 9 womens here would be a size 7 over in the UK. ER I'm size 8.5 US and 5.5 UK and 39 continental >Then there's the european shoe sizes, which I've seen, but don't really know too much about. That is far more accurate than both the others ! >Also, when did paper patterns come about, and what did they use before that? Tailors ! Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 15:43:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA32495 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:43:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA28908; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:14:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA19090 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA19036 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:52:53 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com (3878) by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6NRGa04195 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2bf884bf.246892cb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:51:39 EDT Subject: H-COST: re: pointy sleeve controversy To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com Now that we've all gotten some perspective on the pointy-sleeve-with-a-finger-loop question, I for one would like an answer. We know that some designers (probably the Gunnee Sacks crew, for one) actually use this today. And I think it's used in some Goth wear too. So what is it CALLED? Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 15:43:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA32499 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:43:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA28857; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA18979 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:52:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA18901 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:52:33 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com (3878) by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6GRNa07564 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <71b4703d.246892ce@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:51:42 EDT Subject: H-COST: star wars coat To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com Okay, I'll bite -- WHAT kind of fabric cost $500 a yard? I just have to know. I once saw some clothing (as opposed to uphostery fabric, which often costs that much, or so decorating magazines would have us believe) that cost $400. It was from India -- hand-beaded silk. I think some of the beads were garnets. It was at our city's big bridal store, special-ordered for some society wedding, I think. Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 15:49:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA32529 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:49:39 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA00536; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:19:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA21116 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:58:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bsumail.idbsu.edu (bsumail.idbsu.edu [132.178.16.40]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA21001 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:58:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cobfac.boisestate.edu (cobfac.boisestate.edu [132.178.51.3]) by bsumail.idbsu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10432 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:58:41 -0600 Message-Id: <199905101958.NAA10432@bsumail.idbsu.edu> Received: from COBFAC/SpoolDir by cobfac.boisestate.edu (Mercury 1.44); 10 May 99 13:58:19 GMT+7 Received: from SpoolDir by COBFAC (Mercury 1.44); 10 May 99 13:58:18 GMT+7 From: "Linda Yordy" Organization: College of Business To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:58:13 MST Subject: H-COST: Rit or bleach? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Linda Yordy" Sorry if we've gone over this before. I obviously wasn't paying attention. Anyway, I recently bought a linen-look fabric (poly/cotton) for $.44/yard. It's not bad fabric, it's just that the color is a cross between salmon and hunter orange (let's just say that the saleslady put on her sunglasses to cut it.) I was going to use for making patterns, muslins, etc. so washed it in hot water to preshrink. Found that it faded a bit. Wash wondering if I could make it usable by fading it more. Have heard where people use Rit dye remover (I believe that's what they called it). Was also wondering if I just added some bleach if that might do the job (or will bleach streak and do the tie-dye look?). I don't mind the color so much as I just don't want my dress to compete with the florescent lighting. Thanks! Linda Yordy Phone: 208/426-4034 Boise State University Center for Management Development 1910 University Drive Boise, ID 83725-1660 ******************************************************** Yordy's Law #3: When wearing white, apply your lunch directly to your shirt -- it will end up there anyway. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 15:50:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA32539 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:50:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA00889; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:21:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA21602 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:59:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA21429 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:59:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20833 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37373AE6.99474B99@serv.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:00:38 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: re: pointy sleeve controversy References: <2bf884bf.246892cb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover This is a great question! I always call it the Pointy-Sleeve-with-a-Finger-Loop. *Chuckle* Cynthia > Now that we've all gotten some perspective on the > pointy-sleeve-with-a-finger-loop question, I for one would like an answer. We > know that some designers (probably the Gunnee Sacks crew, for one) actually > use this today. And I think it's used in some Goth wear too. So what is it > CALLED? > > Gail Finke > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 15:51:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA32600 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:51:26 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA00926; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:21:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA21640 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:59:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id NAA21472 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:59:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA22898 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:56:19 -0400 Message-ID: <015101be9b20$1bd427e0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: star wars coat Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:03:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" Gee... I balk when I have to pay $20 a yard... I can't imagine spending a week's pay for a yard of fabric... ah, to be rich.. sarah > > >Okay, I'll bite -- WHAT kind of fabric cost $500 a yard? I just have to know. > >I once saw some clothing (as opposed to uphostery fabric, which often costs >that much, or so decorating magazines would have us believe) that cost $400. >It was from India -- hand-beaded silk. I think some of the beads were >garnets. It was at our city's big bridal store, special-ordered for some >society wedding, I think. > >Gail Finke > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 16:15:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00048 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:15:21 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA06308; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:46:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA29851 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:25:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA29779 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:25:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p15.directcon.net [206.170.184.64]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14419 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:21:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:21:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199905102121.NAA14419@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: re: pointy sleeve controversy Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson At 03:51 PM 5/10/99 EDT, you wrote: > >-Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com > > > >Now that we've all gotten some perspective on the >pointy-sleeve-with-a-finger-loop question, I for one would like an answer. We >know that some designers (probably the Gunnee Sacks crew, for one) actually >use this today. And I think it's used in some Goth wear too. So what is it >CALLED? > It's very common, almost the norm, in the bridal industry, where it's called a pointed cuff. Sometimes there just isn't a special word for something. In the late 80's when I was doing bridal, gowns with "portrait necklines" (like mid 1800's berthas) were popular. They often had what were called "gauntlets" which were sort of false sleeves, tightly fitted, buttoning or zipping at the upper arm. They were long enough to go up to the armpit, giving the illusion of a long sleeve, and they almost always had the point. (They were also a bitch to fit tight enough to stay up without cutting off circulation.) At any rate, some manufacturers started calling the pointed sleeve a "gauntlet sleeve" even when it was attached to the dress. While just about every long sleeved gown I worked on had the point, very few, maybe two, had the finger loop. Usually the point is a bit shorter, and stays down by itself with no help. Of course, that may be specific for bridal, where you don't want a long point fighting with the view of the ring. Margo Anderson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 18:13:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01258 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:13:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA26244; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA07266 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:21:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA07185 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:21:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gia-g ([207.207.70.241]) by mx.serv.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA29434 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004601be9b33$fba9d000$f146cfcf@gia-g> From: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: The Inventory of Henry VIII Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:25:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" drooling excessively...where'd my bib go?!? *excuse me while I wipe off my keyboard* *sigh* I'd love to own these...I'll have to see if the UW Library has them... Gia/Giacinta >The official titles & authors are: > >The Inventory of King Henry VIII Vol I: The Transcript >by Philip Ward, et al > >The Inventory of King Henry VIII Vol II: Essays & Illustrations >by Philip Ward, et al > >The Inventory of King Henry VIII Vol III: Essays & Illustrations >by Philip Ward, et al > >I just did a quick keyword search on "Inventory Henry" and they all come >up. > >As for the cost: Amazon has it for 150 pounds. The retail cost was $265 >from David Stone; the Medieval Congress Discount brought it down to $198. >And (at the risk of being overly-gleeful), I snagged it on the last day of >the congress at half price, for $96. > >Of course, now I have to get vols II and III... > > >Drea > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 19:29:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01972 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:29:26 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA09016; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:58:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA22828 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:36:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anarchy.io.com (anarchy.io.com [199.170.88.101]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA22779 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:36:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragon (as2-dialup-157.io.com [206.224.82.157]) by anarchy.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06743 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:36:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199905102336.SAA06743@anarchy.io.com> From: "Amanda Reeves" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: 60's/70's Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:39:37 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Amanda Reeves" This is all just to weird...........I had toe socks when I was in Jr. High! I'll never forget them They were dark blue with each toe being a separate "bright" color :-) Amanda ---------- > From: Sarah Toney > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: 60's/70's > Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 8:38 AM > > > -Poster: "Sarah Toney" > > Okay, I must tell you all... I was in Boston yesterday shopping and I found > a store that sells toe socks!!! For the life of me I can't remember the > name of the store, but it is in the South Market Upstairs. So, if you're > in the Boston area, have fun! > > > >-Poster: Wayne&Bernice > > > >WOW....I never expected to see such a great bunch of fun people, although I > >do apologize this not being a historical topic....but lets face it this is > >"histerical" ....Toe Socks.... > > > >Let me add, I am located in Gardner, MA North Central about 20 minutes from > >the New Hampshire border..... > > > >I agree 60's/70's is not vintage, and why did I allow it to come into my > >store is beyond me.....Costume for sure....again I apologize this not being > >to historical.... > > > >Bernice > > > >PS.....love reading the post and thank you for making me feel welcomed.... > > > >I do have a web site however with changes in the store to downsize I need > >to do changes on this site...although I sell on ebay ....look me up through > >my email address....again thank you all, you were extremely helpful > > > >http://www.tiac.net/users/wer/ > > > >Reflections in Vintage Clothing > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 19:50:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02232 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:50:21 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA12511; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:19:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA25987 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:58:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anarchy.io.com (anarchy.io.com [199.170.88.101]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA25972 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragon (as2-dialup-157.io.com [206.224.82.157]) by anarchy.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07814 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:57:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199905102357.SAA07814@anarchy.io.com> From: "Amanda Reeves" To: Subject: H-COST: Star Wars posts Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:59:53 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Amanda Reeves" Just about the only way this relates to the H-Costume list is that I'm printing all of the Star Wars costume posts and giving them to my oldest son (almost 20 yrs old) who is, at this time, camped on the sidewalk of the movie theatre with hundreds of others waiting until Wednesday to get tickets when they go on sale. (they got there yesterday morning and are 9th in line). Star Wars will open here on May 19. Low-and-behold if we didn't have one of the worst thunder/lightening storms that we've had in a long time last night!!!! Ah, youth!!! He got out the sewing machine yesterday and wanted a 10 minute sewing lesson before he left so he'd be ready to make his Jedi robe for next week. BTW, he's using a bathrobe pattern as y'all suggested. Thank you, Amanda Reeves Austin, TX ---------- > From: AlbertCat@aol.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars > Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 6:30 PM > > > -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > > I'm trying to stay away from all the hype because I want to enjoy the film. I > want to go in cold....well "cool" since you'd have to be blind deaf & dumb > [and even then] to not hear or see anything about it. > At least it won't have Kiana dresses & Danish pastry hairdos. > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 20:35:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02633 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:35:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA19175; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:04:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA00757 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:36:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA00731 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:36:17 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (3945) by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6GSLa05662 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:35:18 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: star wars coat [or silk abuse] To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id UAA02633 Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 5/10/99 4:08:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, toneys@rentgrow.com writes: << Gee... I balk when I have to pay $20 a yard... I can't imagine spending a week's pay for a yard of fabric... ah, to be rich.. >> Film does this all the time. On "Last of the Mohicans" the silk for Cora's pannier gown was a beautiful Scalamondré ribbed silk in a putty pink & yellow-beige stripe. The gown was made & Michael Mann decided he didn't like it so it was unpicked, each piece color removed [in a #3 washtub over a hot plate] & dyed yellow [in the same tub] then reassembled. The silk was $250 a yard. Set dressing also had an expensive [also about $250] silk brocade from Scalamondré they were using for window dressing. Mr. Mann thought it too bright & had them dye it all down. Then he thought the pattern didn't show up enough [duh!] so he had someone go in & outline it all with a magic marker! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 21:32:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03242 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:32:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA27214; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:03:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA08893 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:42:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA08886 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:42:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lindo (p51.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.179]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA20552 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.0.1.19990510213731.00f87ea0@saltmine.radix.net> Message-Id: <4.0.1.19990510213731.00f87ea0@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:47:44 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars posts In-Reply-To: <199905102357.SAA07814@anarchy.io.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kevin + Mara Riley What's a Quiana dress? I'm assuming that's the fabric of the white thing that Leia wore... what's it made of? Anyway, anything that gets guys into costuming is a good thing in my book. My hubby sewed his own 'Shadow' cloak (you know, the old radio character, 'The Shadow') for Halloween many years ago, and when I met him, I was impressed with this fact. He hasn't sewed anything since then, mind you -- but that's ok, because he at least appreciates the effort I put into my projects. This is somewhat on-topic, since I'm wondering to what extent the Jedi robes are based on Japanese clothing -- they look a little like Aikido outfits etc. And Amidala's costumes and hairdos look vaguely as though they're influenced by some of the more excessive hairdos of the royal Chinese and Japanese courts. Has there been any discussion of these historical influences on the costumes? Certainly the names 'Obi Wan Kenobi' and 'Qui Gonn Jinn' (forgive any misspellings, please) seem Japanese and Chinese-influenced, in a sci-fi sort of way. Amidala, too, now that I think of it. Mara At 06:59 PM 05/10/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Amanda Reeves" > >Just about the only way this relates to the H-Costume list is that I'm >printing all of the Star Wars costume posts and giving them to my oldest >son (almost 20 yrs old) who is, at this time, camped on the sidewalk of the >movie theatre with hundreds of others waiting until Wednesday to get >tickets when they go on sale. (they got there yesterday morning and are 9th >in line). Star Wars will open here on May 19. Low-and-behold if we didn't >have one of the worst thunder/lightening storms that we've had in a long >time last night!!!! Ah, youth!!! > >He got out the sewing machine yesterday and wanted a 10 minute sewing >lesson before he left so he'd be ready to make his Jedi robe for next week. > >BTW, he's using a bathrobe pattern as y'all suggested. > >Thank you, > >Amanda Reeves >Austin, TX Kevin + Mara Riley Home Page http://www.radix.net/~lindo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 21:34:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03258 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:34:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA27586; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA09160 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:44:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from beaver.slip.net (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA09151 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:44:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.159] (helo=default) by mole.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10h1az-0004is-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:44:33 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:45:40 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: star wars coat In-Reply-To: <71b4703d.246892ce@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 03:51 PM 5/10/99 -0400, you wrote: >Okay, I'll bite -- WHAT kind of fabric cost $500 a yard? I just have to know. I would expect that REAL cloth of gold would likely run that, too. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 21:41:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03349 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:41:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA28703; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:13:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA10006 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:52:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA09992 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:52:08 -0600 (MDT) From: lilinah@grin.net Received: from [208.202.189.126] (ppp-126.pm4-1.grin.net [208.202.189.126]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20032 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:52:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lilinah@mail.grin.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3736FF7B.387887B@tymeportal.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:01:21 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Shakespear In Love Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: lilinah@grin.net >-Poster: Anah > >HOWEVER. I NEED to get my hands on a shot of the dress Gweneth's >character wears as she plays Juliet in the movie. can anyone point me >to a good url? I have seen pictures, and have guessed on what may have >been the dress referred to. > >when I asked one of the extras if she knew of a decent full shot of the >dress, she sent me a picture of something that I was pretty sure >WASN'T the Juliet dress. Gwenyth plays Romeo. A male actor plays Juliet. Hope this doesn't spoil things for you... Lilinah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 21:47:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03371 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:47:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA29611; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:19:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA10903 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:58:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA10898 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:58:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Chindora@aol.com Received: from Chindora@aol.com (4418) by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6UIMa03213 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7a50fe2f.2468e868@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:56:56 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Shakespear In Love To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Chindora@aol.com Gwyneth's character was supposed to play Romeo in the play, but due to a twist of fate she actually did perform as Juliet in the performance. I would check for a web site for the movie... they usually have several pics. Jane _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 21:52:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03455 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:52:19 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA00229; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:24:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA11548 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:02:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA11535 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:02:53 -0600 (MDT) From: lilinah@grin.net Received: from [208.202.189.126] (ppp-126.pm4-1.grin.net [208.202.189.126]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20515 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:02:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lilinah@mail.grin.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3736FF7B.387887B@tymeportal.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:12:07 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Shakespear In Love Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: lilinah@grin.net I said: >Gwenyth plays Romeo. A male actor plays Juliet. > >Hope this doesn't spoil things for you... Ooops, i embarassed myself. She plays a "boy actor" for part of the film, but "is" Juliet in the play. Mea culpa. I guess i've been watching too many costume dramas lately. Lilinah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 21:54:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03465 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:54:09 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA00509; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:25:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA11782 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:04:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA11772 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:04:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-194.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.194]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29370 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36C2483F.232C9EC4@tymeportal.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:02:23 -0500 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Shakespear In Love References: <7a50fe2f.2468e868@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah thank you o THANK you ! I am no dummy, but I haven't had a chance to actually view the movie, and the one dress I thought may be the dress, I can't find an entire shot of. And all I have to go on is what the customer referred to. Have you seen the movie? I know I should have gone to see it, but I havent' had time to breathe, much less sit in a dark room for 2+ hours watching a movie where I can't do hand work at the same time. :o) so, I opted to wait until this one came to video and BUY the video. Thanks in advance! Chindora@aol.com wrote: > > -Poster: Chindora@aol.com > > Gwyneth's character was supposed to play Romeo in the play, but due to a > twist of fate she actually did perform as Juliet in the performance. I would > check for a web site for the movie... they usually have several pics. > > Jane _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 22:20:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA03716 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:20:14 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA03870; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:51:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA15100 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:30:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA15093 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:30:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Chindora@aol.com Received: from Chindora@aol.com (552) by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6QJBa26068 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <640d563c.2468efd0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:28:32 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Shakespear In Love To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Chindora@aol.com I have seen the movie 3 times now. The dress that you are talking about is a white and gold one....Italian Renaissaince style. That would be the defining point when looking through pics of her in the film. All of her other clothes were definately Elizabethan, whether they were men's or women's. Jane I tried the web site and could not get it to pull up, but since it has in the past I am assuming it is probably my computer being ornery tonight. Shakespeare in Love http://www.miramax.com/shakespeareinlov/ Miramax can be reached at: Welcome to the Miramax Cafe http://www.miramax.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 22:37:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA03863 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:37:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA06020; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA17132 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f249.hotmail.com [207.82.251.140]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id UAA17113 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:47:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 92681 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 1999 02:46:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19990511024647.92680.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.193.239.30 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:46:47 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.193.239.30] From: "Catherine de Calais" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Rit or bleach? Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:46:47 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Catherine de Calais" Gee, we must have bought fabric off the same bolt! Actually, the fabric I bought was here in San Antonio, Texas, 100% linen, about the same color as you described and NO, bleach doesn't help. Haven't tried the dye remover, but have been advised by a local textile goddess that it will remove some color but that our best hope is to overdye it instead, so I am off to the store to purchase dye. Good luck with your fabric. I will be curious to hear what happens at your end. Catherine de Calais Barony of Bjornsborg _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 22:56:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04047 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:56:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA08528; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA19396 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:06:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA19375 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:06:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-79-34.s34.tnt5.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.79.34]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA08530 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 23:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001c01be9b5b$576ad160$224faccf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Shakespear In Love Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:06:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" I went again this past weekend to see SIL. The dress in question is not really that good. But it is not meant to be good. 1. Because it was not intended to be a first rate theatre, so the costumes were not to be the best shape. 2. The dress was not meant for her but the boy who was supposed to play Juliet. I would have really been upset if the dress would have fit her perfectly. I really loved Elizabeth's collars in the film the first time I saw it. The second time I fell in love with Elizabeth's sleeves in her last appearance. The fabric was sew in tubes, pressed and then woven together in a basket weave. The tubes appeared to be about 1 inch wide. Now for my question???? The tubes did not appear to be woven to tightly. How did they keep what appeared to be satin tubes from sliding out of place??? They did not slide, I watched this carefully. Did they go into each square of the weave and tack each one to another piece of fabric? Maybe they fused the woven fabric to another fabric?? That would be quicker than tacking. Seeing the film a second time, I noticed some positive points to be made for the costume designer. The men (poor actors) DID wear the same costumes over and over in the film. I hate seeing films with a lower class character in several different costumes. Get real! They are poor, they didn't have ten outfits! Although I did get tired of seeing Will's blue costume. It appeared to be leather or vinyl and looked hot. I really enjoyed the men's costuming. The designer did have a nice variety of styles for the period. I get in the movies for free, (my son works at the theatre) so maybe I'll go see it again. You can see so much more of the costuming details on a large screen. Too bad they won't freeze frame for me. Has anyone seen the previews for "A Midsummer's Night Dream"? I have tried to pick the main period being represented. From the quick teasers, it looks kinda late bustle on the fringe of 1890. But in this type of film, designers are allowed to float around varying time periods. I did my senior design project on MND...my version they were all rock stars from the 1970s. The Glam look vs Heavy Metal Rock stars look. The players were the Doobie Brothers!!! It was wild! Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 10 23:08:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA04149 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 23:08:14 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA09856; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA20809 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:18:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saturn.rmci.net (saturn.rmci.net [205.162.184.38]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id VAA20803 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:18:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 20916 invoked from network); 11 May 1999 03:18:30 -0000 Received: from pag-di42.rica.net (HELO rica.net) (209.211.110.42) by saturn.rmci.net with SMTP; 11 May 1999 03:18:30 -0000 Message-ID: <3737A108.6E07F62F@rica.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:16:25 -0400 From: Jennie Chancey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Paper Costumes in _Victoria_ magazine References: <925850947.13656.380@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Jennie Chancey Has anyone else seen the June issue of _Victoria_ magazine? There is a fabulous spread on paper recreations of historical women's gowns. I just drooled.... Check out the one with the fichu collar made out of lens cleaning paper! Looks like the gowns will be on display in New York for a while. Wonder if they'll travel elsewhere? Cheers, Jennie Chancey -- Sense and Sensibility http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 03:57:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA06110 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:57:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id CAA03917; Tue, 11 May 1999 02:29:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA13987 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 02:07:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail-gw6.pacbell.net (mail-gw6.pacbell.net [206.13.28.41]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id CAA13982 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 02:07:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-70-225.irvn11.pacbell.net [206.170.70.225]) by mail-gw6.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id BAA29315 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 01:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3737831B.3DDEDEB0@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 01:08:53 +0000 From: Dietmar Organization: Completely Disorganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 60's/70's References: <008901be9914$1d898520$174faccf@costume> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Dietmar Greetings, Penny wrote: > I recently heard rumored that vintage Levi's denim jackets with > the red tag are in high demand and commanding very high prices. > The jackets are vintage and historic costume. Alas, it's not just any old Levi's jacket. The catch is (and there's always a catch) that the tags used to say "LEVI's", but they have said "LeVI's" for the last 25 years or so. If you can find the old jackets without the side pockets (only chest pockets) it's a start. To get the big bucks it has to have the old "LEVI's" tag. I have a like new jacket from circa 1975 (dad hardly wore it), and it doesn't have the side pockets, but it still has the new tags. Happy hunting, Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 04:43:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA06559 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 04:43:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id DAA06023; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:15:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA16030 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 02:54:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id CAA16025 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 02:54:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-12 #29137) id <01JB2F8R3M8000GZ6V@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:56:55 BST Received: from mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-ref1.mdx.ac.uk) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-12 #29137) with ESMTP id <01JB2F8OLZHQ00ELH3@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:56:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-REF1/SpoolDir by mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); Tue, 11 May 1999 09:53:52 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-REF1 (Mercury 1.32); Tue, 11 May 1999 09:53:41 +1100 Received: from bg_lib_07475 (158.94.53.126) by mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); Tue, 11 May 1999 09:53:33 +1100 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:53:32 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: Re: H-COST: Toe Socks In-reply-to: <199905102000.OAA21766@indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <2899B9C6655@mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: teddy1 > - -Poster: Anah > > Teddy wrote: > > > I still wear them. I buy the rainbow striped ones as they're my > > favourites, I've seen some in shdes of laveneder and a few other > > pastel combinations too.... *sock Shop* in England stocks them every > > few years they "come back in" and they stock up on them again. > > do they have a website? or would you happen to have contact info for > them? I don't know if they have a Web site. Unlikely since all they sell is socks, they have outlets at most of the London stations and shopping areas. I don't even know if they're a solely UK based company. I have a couple of new pairs at home. I'll check the packaging tonight and see what info it lists. > > I too prefer barefoot but had to give up when I moved to the city > > (London, England) It didn'y happen straight away but the day I nearly > > stepped on a discarded syringe did it for me.... > > so I guess that pretty much leaves going barefoot only when u are at > home, right? :) Anywhere indoors (like right now at work - they've stopped mentioning it now and the other week I noticed my boss walking around the office without her shoes too...) Also at re- enactment events - I'll often slob around the campsites barefoot and only get my shoes on when I *need* them Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 09:43:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09634 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:43:39 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA25276; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:15:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA15875 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:53:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA15861 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:53:40 -0600 (MDT) From: Vestido6@aol.com Received: from Vestido6@aol.com (14414) by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6LPCa26070 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1f86ddfa.24698fd4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:51:16 EDT Subject: H-COST: Paper Costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Vestido6@aol.com In the magazine, "The World of Interiors" January 1999, also appears an article on paper costumes on exhibition at the textile museum in Mulhouse, France entitled "Papiers a la Mode." The photographs are stunning and the idea is fascinating. The article comments that the exhibition will be at the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston, in April, and then moves to the Fashion Institute of Technology in New York. I think It's worth the walk from Chicago to Boston just to see it! Dianne Kristoff _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 09:51:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09771 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:51:08 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA26178; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:23:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA17467 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:01:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA17448; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:01:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 08:01:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199905111401.IAA17448@indra.com> From: Anah To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Rit or bleach? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah I haven't seen your fabric, but I have used the color remover on a totally ugly piece of fabric and ended up with a very soft color I was rather pleased with. if it were me I'd go ahead and try the color remover, the worst that could happen is you would have to over dye it, and IMO there'd be less color to over dye if you first try the color remover. :) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 09:53:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09792 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:53:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA26561; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:26:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA17918 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:04:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adder.engin.umich.edu (root@adder.engin.umich.edu [141.213.42.39]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA17906 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:04:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (parsla@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adder.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA25483 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:04:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Parsla Liepa To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Midsummer Night's Dream In-Reply-To: <001c01be9b5b$576ad160$224faccf@costume> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Parsla Liepa Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10095 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:25:10 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA01005; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:57:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA23470 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:35:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA23457 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:35:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p10.directcon.net [206.170.184.59]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA15969 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:31:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 07:31:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199905111531.HAA15969@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: Unorthodox Shakespeare (was:Midsummer Night's Dream) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson Talking about doing Shakespeare in strange settings, my husband and I have always wanted to do the Klingon Imperial Shakespeare Company's production of "Macbeth". . The other one I'd like to do is the Costermonger/Pearly production of Romeo and Juliet. Of course, Paramount would have our guts for garters if we tried this...and then there's the matter that I just don't DO theater. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 11:02:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10593 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:02:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA07251; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:35:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA00727 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA00676 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:12:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990511151240.ECH2559.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@c59303-a> for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:12:40 -0700 Message-ID: <000401be9bc1$45776ac0$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Subject: H-COST: Re: Qiana: Star Wars posts Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:04:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" It is Qiana, no "u". Many thought it to be a brand name or a company name. It is the made up name for a fabric that has evolved into what is now known by many other names depending on who is making it. The best of them is Microfiber, hard to find and very expensive. It is now easier to sew on with the right needle. In the 70's it was all the rage because it flowed well in the costumes of the disco players and hugged the bodies of both sexes as if they were wearing nothing. It gave that superhero body suit look. It was the fabric that was used for Princess Leia's costumes. Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Kevin + Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 8:43 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars posts : :-Poster: Kevin + Mara Riley : :What's a Quiana dress? I'm assuming that's the fabric of the white thing :that Leia wore... what's it made of? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 11:03:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10600 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:03:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA07376; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:35:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA00880 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:13:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA00817 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:13:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14206 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3738494A.4AFAF2FA@serv.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 08:14:18 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: star wars coat [or silk abuse] References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover He should be taken out and shot. What a disgusting waste. C~ > The gown was made & Michael Mann decided he didn't like > it so it was unpicked, each piece color removed [in a #3 washtub over a hot > plate] & dyed yellow [in the same tub] then reassembled. The silk was $250 a > yard. Set dressing also had an expensive [also about $250] silk brocade from > Scalamondré they were using for window dressing. Mr. Mann thought it too > bright & had them dye it all down. Then he thought the pattern didn't show up > enough [duh!] so he had someone go in & outline it all with a magic marker! > Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 11:08:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10634 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:08:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA08644; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:41:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA02067 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp5.jps.net (smtp5.jps.net [209.63.224.55]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA02057 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:19:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.63.113.197] (209-63-113-197.sea.jps.net [209.63.113.197]) by smtp5.jps.net (8.9.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11302 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905112319.QAA11302@smtp5.jps.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 08:17:27 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: Unorthodox Shakespeare (was:Midsummer Night's Dream) From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "R.L. Shep" One of the best Macbeth's I know of is a movie called *Joe Macbeth* set in Chicago during the 20s ganster era. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.mcn.org/e/fsbks ---------- >From: Margo Anderson >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: H-COST: Unorthodox Shakespeare (was:Midsummer Night's Dream) >Date: Tue, May 11, 1999, 8:31 AM > > >-Poster: Margo Anderson > >Talking about doing Shakespeare in strange settings, my husband and I have >always wanted to do the Klingon Imperial Shakespeare Company's production of >"Macbeth". . > >The other one I'd like to do is the Costermonger/Pearly production of Romeo >and Juliet. > >Of course, Paramount would have our guts for garters if we tried this...and >then there's the matter that I just don't DO theater. > >Margo > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 11:10:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10697 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:10:33 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA09054; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:42:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA02392 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:20:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA02381 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:20:50 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (8001) by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6MCPa02301 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:20:11 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Shakespear In Love To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 5/10/99 11:08:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, penny.creative.outlets@pop.erols.com writes: << How did they keep what appeared to be satin tubes from sliding out of place??? >> I know & have worked with the head cutter, Annie Hadley, for SIL [and Elizabeth]. Knowing her they probably are tacked by hand at each corner....or mounted onto a net. And Will's doublet is indeed leather [Sandy Power loves the stuff]. Annie is great! I love her. Her working methods are sound. She likes for one person to construct one costume....IOW it doesn't get passed from hand to hand very much. Of course she will make half of something & then not have time to complete it [her duties are many] so someone else has to make the other half [been there]. On Mohicans, when it was sooooo hot, we all got a gin & tonic at 7:00 before knocking off at 8:00.....a little treat while you finished up the days work. She contributes a lot to the designer's work. Here are some other films she's cut the clothes for: Last of the Mohicans Hamlet [Mel Gibbson's] Interview with the Vampire The Last Emperor Brazil Elizabeth Wings of the Dove Black Adder [second season on] and many others I can't remember She was working on a gladiator movie when I spoke with her in January. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 11:21:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10853 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:21:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA11781; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:54:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA04815 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:32:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA04777 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:31:59 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (8001) by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6WEAa24272 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:31:11 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Unorthodox Shakespeare (was:Midsummer Night's Dream) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 5/11/99 10:38:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, margo@directcon.net writes: << I just don't DO theater. >> A scene painter friend of mine has a big sign on his bedroom wall: Say no to Theatre Anyway...there's a video version of Midsummer done in 1965 or thereabouts by the RSC. It's great! done modern dress [for 1965] sorta....but it's the cast that still makes this a delight! Lysander....David Warner Hermia....Helen Mirren Helena.....Diana Rigg Puck....Ian Holm Titania...Judi Dench [green & bare breasted!] Oberon.....Ian Richardson It was shot for TV & has no "special" special effects. Quite primitive but remember "The play's the thing"! Rent it if you can find it. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 12:41:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11687 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:41:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA28421; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:14:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA21907 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:51:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA21871 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:51:51 -0600 (MDT) From: lilinah@grin.net Received: from [208.202.189.8] (ppp-8.pm4-1.grin.net [208.202.189.8]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09314 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:51:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lilinah@mail.grin.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:01:07 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Medieval Congress Redux Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: lilinah@grin.net >-Poster: aleed >Just wanted to let the list know how the Kalamazoo Medieval Congress went, >textile-wise. I gave a paper on 16th century lower-class Flemish dress, Wonderful, i hope it went really well. >Robin Netherton gave a fabulous paper on the evolution of the 15th century >V-necked gown, and Anne Reaves gave a paper on medieval islamic knitting. Well, of course i'd love to hear everything, but the *Islamic knitting* interests me - any way to get this info? Thanks, Lilinah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 13:38:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12222 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:38:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA09232; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:11:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA07011 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:48:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA06991; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:48:53 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:48:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199905111748.LAA06991@indra.com> From: "Cheryl Williams" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Simplicity patterns Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Cheryl Williams" What is the pattern Number for that one?> >>As for the 1370s gown Yrsa _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 14:27:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12714 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:27:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA16658; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:57:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA17142 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:35:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA17135 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:35:46 -0600 (MDT) From: seamstrix@juno.com Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id EACYDFJR; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:33:54 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:04:47 -0500 Subject: Re: H-COST: Unorthodox Shakespeare (was:Midsummer Night's Dream) Message-ID: <19990511.133216.-294349.0.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 11-14 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com When I was in highschool, back in the '70's, my English class read, and saw Roman Polanski's, Macbeth. then we were all told to do some sort of presentation or reading for the rest of the class. I (haveing the warped and twisted sense of humor that I am loved and feared for) decided that the best thing to do was the three witches' scene (double-double toil and trouble..) as a cheer. So I and two of my equally twisted and nerdy friends got up in front of our English class and did the passage as a traditional cheer. We thought it was hysterically funny and it really did work surprisingly well (think about it). The rest of the kids either thought that we were totally strange (we were)or just couldn't stop laughing. As you visualize this tho, you have to remember that we were three of the *least* cheerleader looking people on the planet. Karen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 14:52:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12980 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:52:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA21469; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:24:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA21951 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:02:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA21943 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [194.222.199.37] (helo=montgomerie.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10hHmx-000PwV-0A for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 11 May 1999 19:02:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:57:02 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: H-COST: Medieval Congress Redux In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Jean Waddie In message , aleed writes Drea, trust me to read a whole very interesting post and pick up on one hat snippet: >various archeological type books >containing articles on such things as shoes recovered from the Mary Rose >and dress accessories in the Museum of London. (The latter had pictures >of two french hood frames and one gable hood wire frame). Were these actually labelled as such? What did they look like? I have been to the museum and saw two bent-wire frames, but they just said for "hoods". They were sort of angled but not very, and I wasn't sure if they were gables or the later angled Anglo/French hood (a la Mary Tudor). Can you give me any clues? Jean -- Jean Waddie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 15:11:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13217 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:11:09 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA24517; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:43:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA25408 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA25392 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA23468 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09449 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:20:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:20:57 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Medieval Congress Redux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: aleed There was one wire bit shaped like the front of a gable hood, and two rounded ones that looked to be french hoods. I didn't read the article that closely--I had to give the book back :( and my friend, curse her, bought the last copy and absconded with it, though she's promised to send me a xerox copy of the article. When I have the book title & article name, I'll send it. I think the book was titled English Archeology 1400-1600, or something along those lines. (I figured you'd be interested in it. :) Drea On Tue, 11 May 1999, Jean Waddie wrote: > > -Poster: Jean Waddie > > In message , > aleed writes > > Drea, trust me to read a whole very interesting post and pick up on one > hat snippet: > > > >various archeological type books > >containing articles on such things as shoes recovered from the Mary Rose > >and dress accessories in the Museum of London. (The latter had pictures > >of two french hood frames and one gable hood wire frame). > > > Were these actually labelled as such? What did they look like? I have > been to the museum and saw two bent-wire frames, but they just said for > "hoods". They were sort of angled but not very, and I wasn't sure if > they were gables or the later angled Anglo/French hood (a la Mary > Tudor). Can you give me any clues? > > Jean > > -- > Jean Waddie > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 16:28:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13978 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:28:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA07405; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA11303 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:37:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ionet.net (deanq@mail.ionet.net [206.41.128.16]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA11248 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:37:21 -0600 (MDT) From: deanq@ionet.net Received: (from deanq@localhost) by ionet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA15237; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:40:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:40:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199905112040.PAA15237@ionet.net> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Places to shop in Houston Tx and Charlotte NC?? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: deanq@ionet.net Any suggestions on Fabric etc places in Houston and Charlotte? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 17:53:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14837 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:53:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA24582; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:24:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA00476 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:02:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from io.dreamhost.com (karla@io.newdream.net [207.155.127.151]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA00456 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:02:14 -0600 (MDT) From: karla@silverspin.net Received: from localhost (karla@localhost) by io.dreamhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id PAA07007 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:02:09 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:01:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: karla@io.dreamhost.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: trim/embellishment for surcotes? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: karla@silverspin.net Greetings everyone, I am wondering what would be appropriate trim/embellishment for a sideless surcote? I made one last year, and just used that tape binding stuff on the armholes and neckline in a contrasting color, to finish it. It's bright red with royal blue trim, and I wear it over a white underdress (yes I know I should actually have a cotehardie or something under it as well :) Every time I put it on, my boyfriend comments about how plain it is... and I agree, it is quite plain, especially considering that I don't even wear a belt with it (yet). I'm hoping to get another 1 or 2 surcotes made before our Crown event (which is the weekend of the 22nd-24th), and I'd like to make them a little more interesting this time. I already have one large chunk of dark cornflower-blue fabric, and one of purple that I'm going to use for them. What would be appropriate trim for these dresses? Thank you, Karla (known as Charlotte of Lion's Gate in the SCA) karla@silverspin.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 18:01:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14943 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:01:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA26029; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:34:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA02550 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:11:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA02535 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:11:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23297 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3738AB5F.58916E7B@serv.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:12:47 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: trim/embellishment for surcotes? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > I am wondering what would be appropriate trim/embellishment for a sideless > surcote? [snip] > Every time I put it on, my boyfriend comments about how plain it is... Well, it would be very cool if you two had arms you could display. Heraldic embellishment was quite popular in the the time of the surcotes and cotehardies. Check out the Luttrell Psalter's front page to get a good idea of what I mean. The biggest problem with sideless surcotes as we make them today is that there really isn't much out there to back up this particular style unless you look at royalty. It would look absolutely lovely if you did fur down the front to the hips and around the openings and then sewed on big chunky metal buttons with some kind of stones. Anything else wasn't done quite this extravagantly. Unless it has heraldry or some kind of fur and plastron, they were fairly plain. The fabric used would be the embellishment. Silk brocades etc... would be lovely. Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 18:12:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15048 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:12:14 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA27630; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:44:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA05014 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:22:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA04998 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:22:21 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (572) by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6UEPa02444 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:20:54 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Places to shop in Houston Tx and Charlotte NC?? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 5/11/99 4:42:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, deanq@ionet.net writes: << Any suggestions on Fabric etc places in Houston and Charlotte? >> About the only place to shop in all of NC is Mary Jo's in Gastonia which is just south of Charlotte on I85....the Cox Rd exit. It's in the back of the mall that is just off the highway at the exit. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 18:14:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15059 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:14:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA28007; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:47:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA05586 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:24:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from io.dreamhost.com (karla@io.newdream.net [207.155.127.151]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA05540 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:24:42 -0600 (MDT) From: karla@silverspin.net Received: from localhost (karla@localhost) by io.dreamhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id PAA12583 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:24:39 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:24:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: karla@io.dreamhost.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: trim/embellishment for surcotes? In-Reply-To: <3738AB5F.58916E7B@serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: karla@silverspin.net > > I am wondering what would be appropriate trim/embellishment for a sideless > > surcote? [snip] > > Every time I put it on, my boyfriend comments about how plain it is... > > Well, it would be very cool if you two had arms you could display. Heraldic Well, I do have arms (well, I know what I want and I know it'll pass... but til I find a last name I can't actually register them). My boyfriend doesn't do SCA yet... he's just very opinionated :) > embellishment was quite popular in the the time of the surcotes and > cotehardies. Check out the Luttrell Psalter's front page to get a good idea > of what I mean. The biggest problem with sideless surcotes as we make them > today is that there really isn't much out there to back up this particular > style unless you look at royalty. It would look absolutely lovely if you did > fur down the front to the hips and around the openings and then sewed on big > chunky metal buttons with some kind of stones. Anything else wasn't done > quite this extravagantly. Unless it has heraldry or some kind of fur and > plastron, they were fairly plain. The fabric used would be the > embellishment. Silk brocades etc... would be lovely. Hmm... maybe I'll stick with plain surcotes for now :) I don't really want to wear any form of fur to crown (not that I can afford fur anyways)... the fabrics I'm going to be using aren't very fancy either. > Barony of Madrone > Kingdom of An Tir off-topic sidenote... Are you going to Crown, Merouda? :) Karla (known in the SCA as Charlotte) Barony of Lion's Gate, Kingdom of An Tir karla@silverspin.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 18:23:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15159 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:23:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA29626; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA07704 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id QAA07673 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:33:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mamabear from [207.136.50.205] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.400) with smtp for sender: id ; Tue, 11 May 99 17:33:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002a01be9bfe$dcbe2580$0200a8c1@mamabear> From: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Places to shop in Houston Tx and Charlotte NC?? Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:37:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" For Houston check out High Fashion Fabrics and its sister store that sells Upholstery fabric. They are only a street apart. As for how to get there I couldn't tell you as I have only been there once. Carol Ross -----Original Message----- From: deanq@ionet.net To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 3:42 PM Subject: H-COST: Places to shop in Houston Tx and Charlotte NC?? > >-Poster: deanq@ionet.net > >Any suggestions on Fabric etc places in Houston and Charlotte? > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 18:42:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15342 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:42:37 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA02694; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:15:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA11982 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:53:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA11957 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:53:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ants.excite.com ([199.172.152.146]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990511225256.NXQP20897.ewey@ants.excite.com> for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:52:56 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: OT Star Wars Question Message-Id: <926463154.26634.205@excite.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:52:34 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "StitchWitch" Hello! I'm not a huge fan of the Star Wars phenomena, though I do enjoy it, and wondered if I might ask assistance for something not exactly related to the topic of this list. (and I apologize for wasting the bandwidth, but wasn't sure where else to go.) I have in my possesion a movie theater poster from the original release of Star Wars. Right off the theater, in fact, as the owner took a shine to me at the time. Where might I go to find out if the silly thing has any value? Thanks for your time! Kate ---- StitchWitch Man is certainly stark mad: he cannot make a flea, yet he makes gods by the dozens. - Montaigne, Essays - 1588 _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 18:44:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15352 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:44:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA03279; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:17:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA12501 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:55:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA12462 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:55:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msmclean.interlog.com (209-20-11-10.dialin.interlog.com [209.20.11.10]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA28673 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990511185543.00692088@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: msmclean@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:55:43 -0400 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: "Marsha S. McLean" Subject: H-COST: h-costume - silk abuse Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Marsha S. McLean" Ahh, $500 a yard is nothing. I can pay $900 a yard at several stores locally, and have a choice! They are all silk (what else would I notice), embroidered and beaded. If I ever win the lottery, I will have a gown of this. Als o, the first sari I fell in love with was $2,500. Silk brocade (real metal), embroidered and beaded with freshwater pearls. I've seen embarrassingly expensive fabrics squirted with glycerine to fake sweat, distressed, tea stained for a play. I once had to beat up a beautiful garment, scuffing it in the dirt with my feet, beating it with a stick. I wanted to take it home and "baby it" it was so gorgeous. Sigh! Would we really believe a queen in polyester, though? C'mon, we'd know the difference and gripe (or, I would). Marsha McLean _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 19:20:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA15702 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 19:20:42 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA10272; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:53:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA20649 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:31:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA20585 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:30:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p15.directcon.net [206.170.184.64]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13676 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:26:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:26:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199905120026.QAA13676@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: OT Star Wars Question Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson > >I have in my possesion a movie theater poster from the original release of >Star Wars. Right off the theater, in fact, as the owner took a shine to me >at the time. Where might I go to find out if the silly thing has any value? > > There are books that give prices for collectibles, but you can't always count on actually getting those prices. I read somewhere that the current Beany Baby craze was actually induced, in part, by a couple who wrote a Beany collecting book with the express goal of boosting their collection's value. To find out what people are REALLY paying, Ebay is good. there are several zillion SW auctions at any given time... Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 19:49:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA15919 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 19:49:51 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA15208; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:22:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA26354 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA26335 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-79-234.s234.tnt5.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.79.234]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA29889 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 20:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009001be9c0a$7e55a2a0$ea4faccf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: OT Star Wars Question Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:00:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" There is a book called "Collecting Toys: A Collector's Identification & Value Guide" that lists all the suggested prices and the condition of the all Star Wars and Star Trek items. The author is Richard O'Brien, ISBN 0-89689-073-2. Our book is an old edition. Both films have a huge collector audience. People buy about anything with the films' names on it. Look on the web, I bet you can find a copy of the book. My sons have the fifth edition. I was walking through Walmart yesterday and saw all the merchandise with the SW advertising on it, like Pepsi. I thought this will be worth a fortune one day. Even the SW posters Burger King gave away are worth a pretty penny. My two sons have been collecting Star Wars everything for years. They only collected original items from glasses to big space ships (they must have 20 of them). They have NEVER used any of the toys or other related items, like sheets. They bought the items and put them away. The boys purchased from1987-1994 when all the SW generation kids started high school and got rid of their toys. My sons had clerks in every thrift store watching and holding the used SW toys and stuff for them. They have hundreds of SW action figures. My sons kept saying... "One day when another Star Wars film will come out, then we are going to sell the items and pay for our college." Guess what? One son starts college in the fall and the other will be a junior in high school. When the market is high enough they are going to sell... probably soon. They too have a movie poster that is framed. That is the only item they are keeping. My son (the college bound one) who works at a movie theatre has collected original film posters of every film his theatre has shown since his employment (last August). For my daughter's seventh birthday he gave her ALL the original movie display posters from "Rugrats" the movie. These are four vinyl posters that measure app. 6 ft. by 8ft. The posters are double sided and each has a different Rugrat character. They are rolled up and put away in her closet. Imagine what that will be worth one day. My favorite line from Space Balls the movie, "Merchandising, merchandising, that's where all the money from the movie is made... Space Balls: The flame thrower, Space Balls: The toilet paper...." Mel Brooks was making in fun of Star Wars and the best mass merchandising plan ever! It's like living in a toy museum around here. My husband still has 80 of his Hot Wheels from the 1960s and boxes of that orange track. That orange track has lived through my husband and five sons. Occasionally my husband and sons will pull out their Hot Wheel collections, put up that orange track from one end of the house to the other, and race one another. My oldest son, now 22 y.o. has the original Smurfs when they were orange instead of blue. I gave the Smurfs to him for his second Christmas. Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com >I have in my possesion a movie theater poster from the original release of >Star Wars. Right off the theater, in fact, as the owner took a shine to me >at the time. Where might I go to find out if the silly thing has any value? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 19:52:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA15999 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 19:52:44 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA15819; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:25:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA26841 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:03:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA26823 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:03:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-79-234.s234.tnt5.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.79.234]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id UAA00805 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 20:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000101be9c0a$f16840e0$ea4faccf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Opps! Star Wars Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:03:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" Darn, I hit the wrong button. Sorry...Penny _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 20:03:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16112 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 20:03:33 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA17361; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:36:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA28815 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:14:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA28795 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:13:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP165.dialsprint.net [168.191.27.101]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA13833 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004c01be9c0c$9147e060$1b1cbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: trim/embellishment for surcotes? Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:44:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" --Greetings! >Hmm... maybe I'll stick with plain surcotes for now :) I don't really want >to wear any form of fur to crown (not that I can afford fur anyways)... >the fabrics I'm going to be using aren't very fancy either. One thing I've seen which is simple yet elegant is the use of decorations down the front. Large buttons are a possibility, but even better is to get some filigree pieces (the ones I'm thinking of are square in shape, I've seen them turned so they're diamond-shaped) and put them down the front to about the hipline, much like buttons, but spaced further apart. You could also choose a motif you liked and applique it around the hemline. I'm not sure how documentable (if at all) it is, but it certainly falls within the same general field as heraldic decoration. Susan Carroll-Clark _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 21:40:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17333 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:40:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA29484; Tue, 11 May 1999 20:11:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA14105 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 19:49:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from POP01 (pop01.ex-pressnet.com [208.193.112.8]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA14049 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 19:49:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alt1 - 24.239.14.77 by ex-pressnet.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:48:13 -0400 From: "Allison Thurman" To: Subject: H-COST: star wars and unorthodox shakespeare Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:52:27 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Allison Thurman" perhaps not costume related but i couldnt resist the opportunity to combine these 2 threads: http://members.aol.com/moseisleym/sw-main.html macbeth in the starwars universe, done by some very technologically gifted high schoolers. its a hoot! obcostume: i too have noticed the japanese influence on episode 1's costumes - the whole jedi hierarchy seems loosely based on the samurai as well. i think that discussing this movie is relevant as it borrows from historic sources and is bound to be influential in upcoming fashions. allison _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 22:42:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17942 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 22:42:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA08141; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:14:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA24333 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 20:52:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dgs.dgsys.com (robin@dgs.dgsys.com [204.97.64.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA24324 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 20:52:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by dgs.dgsys.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA25990 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 22:52:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dgs.dgsys.com: robin owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:52:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: More on the Medieval Congress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Robin Netherton I am back at the computer (having come home from the Congress a day later than Drea) and I've already got queries in my inbox about my paper on 15th-century gowns! Wow. I'll post a summary of the relevant points soon, in a separate message. But first I have to brag on Drea. She told you about the other papers at our session, but of course she was too modest to tell you she was both brilliant and beautiful. She was our one costumed presenter this year, and was stunning in a complete linen-and-wool Flemish marketwoman's outfit. Her paper was a solid and comprehensive look at the costume details shown in the art of two Antwerp artists who frequently painted working women. I'm sure many of the people in the audience were there just to hear her, and they were not disappointed. Kudos to Drea for a splendid debut. (And from the way she's talking, we've got her hooked into coming back to the Congress, and maybe presenting again sometime down the road.) You've already heard about Anne Reaves, our knitting expert. Anne did a splendid overview of European knitting for us a few years ago, and she was back this year with Islamic socks, including samples and knitting instructions she developed herself based on medieval examples she examined first-hand in Spain. After both of those ladies, I was satisfied that I managed to deliver my paper in the alloted time, as I was certain I was going to run over. I fear I spoke *very* fast :-) But this was not a major problem, as we adjourned immediately into the scheduled reception for DISTAFF, the textile & dress interest group at Kalamazoo (which we formed for the sole purpose of sponsoring sessions). So we just continued the discussion less formally for another hour. I'd also like to call attention to a standout from the earlier DISTAFF session, which focused on "Art & Reality" (the session with Anne, Drea and me was "Practical Considerations"). Marcia Schlemm, whom some of you may know (she lives in the Kansas City area), knocked 'em over with her discussion of how enameling techniques can influence depiction of costume. She showed examples of a distinct polka-dot pattern on the clothing of some figures in Limoges enamels, and then demonstrated (with slides of her enameling setup and samples of enamels at different stages of the process) how the polka dots are an easy way to create a pattern in enamels -- and so almost certainly they reflect the considerations of the medium, and are not evidence of polka-dot patterns in actual dress. I made an absolute pig of myself in the book room this year. I have NEVER bought so many books at one conference before. I rationalize that I'm spending my year's book budget -- that 20 percent conference discount offers great motivation to consolidate one's planned book-buying in one busy weekend. Particularly when every book you can imagine -- new or used -- on medieval topics is in one room for your perusal. (There was a wrapped, mint copy of Queen Elizabeth's Wardobe Unlock'd for $180, still unsold as of the end of the conference. If you want it, I can try to locate the vendor's name for you.) A few of my purchases were gifts for my husband (a Byzantine scholar and church historian). But most were for me -- some history books in areas I'm interested in (plague studies, household economics), some pretty art books with neat pictures, a few on food (there were a LOT of new sources on cooking, feasts, and kitchen science), and several books on manuscripts (including a new dictionary of manuscript terminology, a 1959 used book on the Lambeth Bible, and a not-yet-published volume on the Sherbourne Missal; the latter is by Janet Backhouse, who has done a series of books devoted to specific manuscripts). My one extravagance was a slipcased facsimile of the Hours of Mary of Burgundy -- since I covered this period in my lecture and actually used a few slides from this book, I thought this edition would make a nice memento, particularly when discounted to $67 from the list price of $83. I passed on the facsimile of Gaston Phoebus' Hunting Book, though I did drool for a while at the table of new library edition facsimiles (no prices displayed, but these typically run at least $5,000 per volume). I restrained myself from three or four marvelous new references on historic scripts for the calligrapher, since I haven't picked up a pen in 10 years and they would be wasted on me, but if this is of interest to you, check with U. of Toronto Press (info on request). On costume specifically, I finally got a copy of Piponnier & Mane's "Dress in the Middle Ages" (Yale), mentioned here a few months ago. I started reading it on the plane, and it looks fairly good, though I am already frustrated at the author's repeated generalizations about "here's how they made/bought clothes in the Middle Ages" with no distinction of where and when particular practices originated, and no time/place framework for many of the specific statements. They do have a general discussion of sources, but that's no help later when they refer to "wills" or "account books" or whatever in a general way. I also picked up "Governance of the Consuming Passions: A History of Sumptuary Law," by Alan Hunt (St. Martin's Press). I haven't looked much at it yet, but it seems fact-filled, and thus useful. I don't know if I would have spent the list price of $50 or so, but the Sunday-morning clearance price of $20 made this a no-brainer. Oh, yes, I also grabbed the last remaining display copy of the Henry VIII inventories, after Drea ran into me on Sunday morning and told me that it, too, was discounted 50 percent (only a few of the vendors do this). Tudor is not my period, but this really was too good to pass up. All in all, it's good that I brought an expandable suitcase this year, as I ended up filling my extra 10 inches of luggage space with books. My traveling companion found it hugely amusing as I struggled with the logistics of my suddenly heavy luggage -- "Oh, no, Robin didn't buy any books. Robin isn't planning her every move around these books." She will no doubt find it suitably ironic when she hears that the next day -- after my car broke down on the Baltimore-Washington Parkway and I had to hike to a phone -- that I was stuck waiting for a tow for 3 hours, with NO BOOK (they were all packed in my car, barely within sight in the distance, but I had to stick by the phone). Other than the car trouble, an excellent conference. If current plans play out, there will be FOUR full sessions on costume next year (two by DISTAFF, one special session on dress as a signifier of national/ethnic identity, and one on the symbolic/interpretive significance of costume in art and literature). If this interests you, consider going to the website of the Medieval Congress and getting on the mailing list. You'll get the call for papers and other information. (And a lot of book catalogs.) --Robin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 11 23:15:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18235 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 23:15:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA12271; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:47:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA29762 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:24:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vcn.bc.ca (vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA29728 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:24:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (izzie@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA01413 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 20:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:24:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Peggy A. Stonnell" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: trim/embellishment for surcotes? In-Reply-To: <3738AB5F.58916E7B@serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Peggy A. Stonnell" I know the lady how posted the orginal question, (and indeed I often wear the same style as her.) The surcote she is referring to is the earlier one, the cylas from the later part of the 13th cent., not the later gates of hell, really cutin, showing of the waist one of the 14th cent. Does anyone have suggestions for embellishment on the 13th cent style surcote? Isobel fitz Gilbert Mistress of Arts Barony of Lions Gate, An Tir mka Peggy On Tue, 11 May 1999, Merouda the True of Bornover wrote: > > -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > > > I am wondering what would be appropriate trim/embellishment for a sideless > > surcote? [snip] > > Every time I put it on, my boyfriend comments about how plain it is... > > Well, it would be very cool if you two had arms you could display. Heraldic > embellishment was quite popular in the the time of the surcotes and > cotehardies. Check out the Luttrell Psalter's front page to get a good idea > of what I mean. The biggest problem with sideless surcotes as we make them > today is that there really isn't much out there to back up this particular > style unless you look at royalty. It would look absolutely lovely if you did > fur down the front to the hips and around the openings and then sewed on big > chunky metal buttons with some kind of stones. Anything else wasn't done > quite this extravagantly. Unless it has heraldry or some kind of fur and > plastron, they were fairly plain. The fabric used would be the > embellishment. Silk brocades etc... would be lovely. > > Cynthia Long > Merouda the True of Bornover > Barony of Madrone > Kingdom of An Tir > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 00:47:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA19250 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:47:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA22475; Tue, 11 May 1999 23:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA14011 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 22:57:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA14005 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 22:57:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-002ohcoluP091.dialsprint.net [168.191.27.179]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA26306 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006001be9c34$2bfd3700$b31bbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: trim/embellishment for surcotes? Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:59:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" -Greetings! >Does anyone have suggestions for embellishment on the 13th cent style >surcote? A couple of ideas: first, some statuary examples show what look like buttons (completely ornamental) running down the from the neckline in front. There are usually no more than three to five of them, they're small, and they don't go past the bustline. There are also the illuminations in the Manasee (sp?) codex, which is a very early fourteenth century work, but where the figures are still wearing the earlier style surcote. Some of these show a different-colored band around the neck, probably a few inches wide. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 00:47:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA19249 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:47:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA22413; Tue, 11 May 1999 23:19:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA13905 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 22:56:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA13895 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 22:56:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.167.66.97] (sdts11-142.znet.net [207.167.66.142]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with ESMTP id VAA19325 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: H-COST: FO - 19th c Fur Trade era Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Julie Adams I finished some clothing for a fur trade era event for myself and my kids. Justin - age 1 - Two gowns of a woven stripe cotton (kind of like a light weight matress ticking stripe) based on gowns shown in Workwomen's Guide (1838). They have a casing in the front with drawstrings going both ways that tie around the back. Two white cotton bonnets from patterns shown in Workwomen's guide. Striped stockings seemed to be shown in most of my photos of children, so I cut down some adult women's socks and sewed them into over the knee socks. He wore alternately baby mocassins and sometimes some small black lace up shoes. I really wanted to buy some baby shoes on Ebay for him, but the doll makers buy them up. Everyone thought he was a little girl, but we explained that all babies wore skirts... He was very cute and we got quite a few pictures with him next to and in an antique 19th c baby walker we'd picked up. He also wore a Capote made for my older son when he was a baby. Its out of a Hudson Bay 4 stripe blanket and has red wool trimmings. Jonny - age 5 1/2- Cotton/linen shirt, red with white ticking stripes. Off-white twill fall-front long pants and a modified Greek Fisherman's hat, sewn smaller to fit. He wore plain black undecorated boots as we didn't have any mocs or 19th c victorian child's shoes that fit. He ended up so scruffy he blended right in with the crowd. Me - A Californio poor women's costume. A white cotton shift with 1/2 sleeves. Drawstring neckline. Ruffles around neck and sleeve. I wore some white petticoats, some with eyelet decoration under a red cotton/linen work skirt (the same fabric as my son's shirt). I wore a red silk sash with bullion fringe that hung down almost to the hem. I wore an ecru silk victorian shawl crossed over the bust as a modesty piece and tucked into the sash at each side. I had some bead necklaces and earrings and wore a striped rebozo made of cotton. I had red cotton stockings with silk garters and wore them with black slippers and sometimes with mocassins. I also had a shorter print skirt that I wore with a different print blouse and changed accessories to look more like a Southwestern Indian costume. I have a number of books on the 19th c southwest and early California for my costume reference, but the most informative was the Costuming Guide written by David Rickman for Sutter's Fort. My husband already had some clothing that was ok for about 1840 and I made him buy some additional pieces there... but he looked like a towney compared to the grizzley mountain men. Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 01:03:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA19589 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 01:03:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA24432; Tue, 11 May 1999 23:36:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA16033 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 23:13:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA16018 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 23:13:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-002ohcoluP091.dialsprint.net [168.191.27.179]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA12988 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 22:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008801be9c36$6e70b600$b31bbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: More on the Medieval Congress Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 01:15:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! >Other than the car trouble, an excellent conference. If current plans play >out, there will be FOUR full sessions on costume next year (two by >DISTAFF, one special session on dress as a signifier of national/ethnic >identity, and one on the symbolic/interpretive significance of costume in >art and literature). Any way you can get some or all of 'em switched back to Saturday? Or even Friday? No matter where I'm working next year, I *know* I can attend on a Saturday, and probably could arrange a Friday as well. This is the first Kzoo I've missed in eight years I've also got another idea--do you know whether there might be interest in building a website (perhaps under the aegis of DISTAFF) of some of these presentations? I've still got my paper from last year and lots of pictures of the outfit (and can get more); and I'd love to see what I missed--and this might be a really useful resource for folks on this list. And Robin--I might have a potential paper giver for you, or at least someone you should talk to, because what she's doing is way cool! Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 02:08:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA27945 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:08:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA29780; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:40:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA23747 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:17:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA23740 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:17:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip203-43.cc.interlog.com [207.34.203.43]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA16167 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990512021428.00964d40@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 02:14:28 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: H-COST: Hood frames ( was: Medieval Congress Redux) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, >Drea, trust me to read a whole very interesting post and pick up on one >hat snippet: You weren't the only one. :) >Were these actually labelled as such? What did they look like? I have >been to the museum and saw two bent-wire frames, but they just said for >"hoods". They were sort of angled but not very, and I wasn't sure if >they were gables or the later angled Anglo/French hood (a la Mary >Tudor). Can you give me any clues? Which museum? Are there pictures available? I would love any primary source info pertaining to 16th century headgear. Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 03:04:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA19543 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 03:04:03 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id BAA03975; Wed, 12 May 1999 01:35:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id BAA29533 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 01:12:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scorpion.netspace.net.au (scorpion.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.106]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id BAA29518 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 01:12:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.70]) by scorpion.netspace.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id RAA29768 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:12:48 +1000 (EST) Received: from netspace.net.au.netspace.net.au (dialup-t1-8.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [210.15.250.8]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id RAA17148 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:12:45 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199905120712.RAA17148@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Toe Socks Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:36:17 +1000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Christopher Ballis" There are certain things in this world that should be ignored or forgotten such as the accidental indiscretions of friends, whining children, Andrew Lloyd-Webber, and toe socks. -C. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 07:25:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA21901 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:25:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id FAA17535; Wed, 12 May 1999 05:58:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA03791 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 05:34:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id FAA03783 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 05:34:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com (546) by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6AWNa05661 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:34:23 EDT Subject: H-COST: mambo kings To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com We often discuss costume in film, and last weekend I finally rented the video "The Mambo Kings" (from a book, "The Mambo Kings Sing Songs of Love"). Great film, by the way, very different from typical Hollywood movies in both plot and subject. Anyway, the subject was early 1960s (62, I think) New York City and clubs catering to the mambo dance craze. Most of the characters are Cubans. The costumes are fantastic. Everyone dressed up all the time, according to this (and to my own relatives, NON-Cubans, who are always lamenting how no one dresses up anymore). Everything was still that late 50s look, not the hippie late 60s. I don't know much about this period, but it looked good to me -- except maybe for the Afro-Cuban lady club owner, whom I am guessing is some famous Latin singer and had some pretty weird outfits. I especially appreciated that everything in the movie looked clean and fresh and new. No sepia filters in sight. The director apparently decided that the past was not all dirty and ugly, even in nightclubs where people were occasionally murdered and in meat-packing plants. So Peggy, I don't know if this is on your film list of good costumes, but I'd put it there! Gail Finke PS: The most inauthentic thing I noticed was a car crash -- no seatbelts, obviously -- but also no blood, no horrible injuries. In fact, two people weren't injured at all. Having seen the NOVA special on designing cars to eliminate injuries, I know how inauthentic THAT was! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 08:56:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22723 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:56:24 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA27251; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA15870 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:05:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA15841 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:05:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-67.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.67]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10912 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37397C25.4A13A3E6@tymeportal.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:03:33 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Toe Socks References: <199905120712.RAA17148@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah oh I am so sorry for you!! how sad. the only thing in that WHOLE list I agree with is whining children, and that is ONLY a question of home training so it is indeed a temporary matter. But "accidental" indescrettions? um, without starting a whole LITANY of OT flaming, I'm leaving that one TOTALLY alone and I'm backing AWAY from the keyboard now...accidental indeed.... Christopher Ballis wrote: > > -Poster: "Christopher Ballis" > > There are certain things in this world that should be ignored or forgotten > such as the accidental indiscretions of friends, whining children, Andrew > Lloyd-Webber, and toe socks. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 09:00:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22800 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:00:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA27951; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:35:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA16752 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:11:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id HAA16740 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:11:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA09097 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:08:35 -0400 Message-ID: <00d301be9c79$8dcf46e0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Toe Socks Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:15:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" Ah, get 'em! Argh? Toe socks are happy! Toe socks make ya feel like a kid again... anything that does that is good. Sarah PS. Whining children should not be forgotten lest you forget how bad it is and decide you want one. ;-) And, why ALW? I LOVE his stuff... then again, maybe I'm odd... >There are certain things in this world that should be ignored or forgotten >such as the accidental indiscretions of friends, whining children, Andrew >Lloyd-Webber, and toe socks. > > >-C. > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 09:07:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22834 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:07:43 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA28707; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA17824 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:18:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA17804 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:18:12 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (3942) by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6MQUa03214 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51c0529e.246ad967@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:17:27 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: OT Star Wars Question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 5/11/99 6:56:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stitchwitch@excite.com writes: << Where might I go to find out if the silly thing has any value? >> Try putting it up on E-bay. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 09:11:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22909 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:11:36 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA28862; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA18171 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:20:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA18155 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:20:27 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (3942) by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6YTWa16142 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <635afc2f.246ad9c5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:19:01 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: h-costume - silk abuse To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 5/11/99 6:59:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, msmclean@interlog.com writes: << Would we really believe a queen in polyester, though? >> We did in the 70s! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 09:13:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22919 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:13:26 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA29221; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:47:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA18825 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:24:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA18817 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:24:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-67.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.67]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07052 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3739807D.3C91CF00@tymeportal.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:22:05 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Toe Socks References: <00d301be9c79$8dcf46e0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah the whole reason I WANT them is for my 2 neices, and 2 nephews who would totally FLIP they range in age from 3 to 10.!! they've never seen them, and it's my DUTY as an aunt to enlighten them. :o) I'm ALWAYS on the look out for outrageous NEETO BEAN stuff for them. I once found a GOOGLIE eye book for the 4 year old! it had LARGE weighted eyeballs and all the pages were cut out to accomodate them, and the story was about fish and the eyes were worked into each picture! As you read the story, the eyes moved. and, I love Andrew Lloyd Webber too, so u are NOT weird. I'm not much of an over all musical fan, but I like what he did. Sarah Toney wrote: > > -Poster: "Sarah Toney" > > Ah, get 'em! Argh? Toe socks are happy! Toe socks make ya feel like a > kid again... anything that does that is good. > > Sarah > > PS......And, why ALW? I LOVE his stuff... then again, maybe I'm odd... _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 09:23:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23017 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:23:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA29990; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:56:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA20312 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:33:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id HAA20299 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:33:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA09257 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:30:15 -0400 Message-ID: <010a01be9c7c$93d5e960$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Toe Socks Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:37:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" >the whole reason I WANT them is for my 2 neices, and 2 nephews See, I want them for ME. ;-) I'm still a kid and will stay that way 'til I die. ;-) >and, I love Andrew Lloyd Webber too, so u are NOT weird. I'm not much >of an over all musical fan, but I like what he did. Ah, see... I've been a musician, sometimes professionally, sometimes not (I quit 'cuz I couldn't handle my producer), since I was 7. Webber has always been my favorite, especially after I met him. ;-) Sarah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 09:50:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23222 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:50:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA03113; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:23:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA24651 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA24628 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990512140015.WEJU10395.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:00:15 -0700 Message-ID: <37398991.EEE0B21C@home.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:00:49 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: trim/embellishment for surcotes? References: <006001be9c34$2bfd3700$b31bbfa8@dsc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kat & Kent Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > > >Does anyone have suggestions for embellishment on the 13th cent style > >surcote? > > A couple of ideas: first, some statuary examples show what look like > buttons (completely ornamental) running down the from the neckline in > front. There are usually no more than three to five of them, they're > small, and they don't go past the bustline. There are also the > illuminations in the Manasee (sp?) codex, which is a very early > fourteenth century work, but where the figures are still wearing the > earlier style surcote. Some of these show a different-colored band > around the neck, probably a few inches wide. I can also see a person who couldn't afford fur in the time period substituting trim as nice as they could get (or just being obsinate like me and using trim because *I* liked it! ). Unless someone had specifically painted someone doing that I think it's unlikely that an example would have survived...since the trim would have been removed and used elsewhere when it was inherited by someone else or when the wearer tired of the dress. I'd be tempted to go look at source material of written descriptions of dress but 1) I have children and no time and 2) I think I have the flu....so I think I'll lay down now...which is a pity because I have a lovely teal early Tudor dress cut out and ready to sew (with a rust & think white striped underskirt). Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 10:35:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23665 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:35:42 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA10115; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:09:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA03647 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:45:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA03634 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:45:34 -0600 (MDT) From: JPMcTeer@aol.com Received: from JPMcTeer@aol.com (7999) by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6RMIa10989 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:44:43 EDT Subject: H-COST: Janet Arnold Scholarship Fund To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: JPMcTeer@aol.com The recent issue of the CSA Newsletter had the following notice: <> This answers my earlier question regarding how we could all best honor Janet Arnold's work. Joan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 10:58:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23882 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:58:34 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA14844; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:32:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA09348 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:09:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA09332 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13553 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <373999C8.DB13F534@serv.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:10:01 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: trim/embellishment for surcotes? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover Heraldry heraldry heraldry. Or nothing at all, except maybe the bias trim she is already using. > I know the lady how posted the orginal question, (and indeed I often wear > the same style as her.) The surcote she is referring to is the earlier > one, the cylas from the later part of the 13th cent., not the later gates > of hell, really cutin, showing of the waist one of the 14th cent. > Does anyone have suggestions for embellishment on the 13th cent style > surcote? -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 11:10:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24012 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:10:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA17099; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:43:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA12009 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:20:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA11977 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:20:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA18423 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29039 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:19:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:19:56 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Janet Arnold Scholarship Fund In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: aleed What a wonderful idea! This really is the best way to honor her work and her memory. Thanks for posting this info. Drea > > < Janet Arnold. Contributions will be used to help support a scholarship in > Arnold's name to promote international costume scholarship through the > investigation of artifacts and related materials in continuation of her work. > Criteria for the scholarship and its initiation are being developed in > conjunction with the executors of Arnold's estate. Plans are being drawn to > arrange for matching funds to increase individual donations from the > Society's Projects, Awards, Grants, Education, and Services fund. > Contributions can be made by check or credit card (Visa or MasterCard). Make > checks payable to The Costume Society of America with memo disignating Janet > Arnold Fund. Mail to the Costume Society of America, 55 Edgewater Drive, PO > Box 73, Earleville, MD 21919.>> > > This answers my earlier question regarding how we could all best honor Janet > Arnold's work. > > Joan > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 13:39:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25441 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 13:39:09 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA15992; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:49:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA16491 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:49:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dgs.dgsys.com (robin@dgs.dgsys.com [204.97.64.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA16425 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:49:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by dgs.dgsys.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01501 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 13:49:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dgs.dgsys.com: robin owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:49:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: More on the Medieval Congress In-Reply-To: <008801be9c36$6e70b600$b31bbfa8@dsc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Robin Netherton Robin: > >If current plans play > >out, there will be FOUR full sessions on costume next year (two by > >DISTAFF, one special session on dress as a signifier of national/ethnic > >identity, and one on the symbolic/interpretive significance of costume in > >art and literature). Susan: > Any way you can get some or all of 'em switched back to Saturday? Or even > Friday? No matter where I'm working next year, I *know* I can attend on a > Saturday, and probably could arrange a Friday as well. Ha. I feel glad to get my sessions at all -- not much choice on timing. The Congress has enough trouble scheduling 500 sessions without double-booking anywone, so you can't request specific days. This year, my DISTAFF partner, Gale Owen-Crocker, was actually scheduled to give an Anglo-Saxon paper elsewhere during the second DISTAFF session, so she missed Drea, Anne, and me. If we can avoid that next year, I'll be happy enough. (I do hope, though, that we don't end up in the graveyard shift, 8:30 a.m. Sunday. That happened to us one year!) > This is the first Kzoo I've missed in eight years And we missed you! :-) > I've also got another idea--do you know whether there might be interest in > building a website (perhaps under the aegis of DISTAFF) of some of these > presentations? I've still got my paper from last year and lots of pictures > of the outfit (and can get more); and I'd love to see what I missed--and > this might be a really useful resource for folks on this list. I think that papers/presentations need to remain in the control of the individual researchers. Some of us are holding our papers for specific publishing avenues; some of the talks simply aren't in publishable form. If anyone -- like you -- does want to publish yours on the web, feel free. I believe Drea was talking about putting some of her 16th-century Flemish material on her own (wonderful!) Elizabethan Costuming site. There are many great costume sites out there already, with different and specific focuses, and many of them would be great places to showcase these papers. Being web-impaired anyway, I wouldn't be eager to try to create yet another site just for DISTAFF, particularly since the only thing our papers have in common is that they were all presented at Kalamazoo! > And Robin--I might have a potential paper giver for you, or at least someone > you should talk to, because what she's doing is way cool! Write me. --Robin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 13:46:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25526 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 13:46:19 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA17064; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:56:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA18101 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:55:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA18080; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:55:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:55:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199905121755.LAA18080@indra.com> From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Subject: H-COST: The V-necked gown (lecture summary, LONG) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Robin Netherton Several of you have asked for details on my presentation on the 15th century V-necked gown. I'm afraid I can't give you the entire lecture here -- it depends in large part on the copious use of slides, and in any case it's in the form of lecture notes. But I'll try to summarize it in this post. I hope this is of some help. ---> If you keep a copy of this post, or if you pass it to anyone else, please include this statement of authorship: by Robin Netherton, based on a presentation at the 1999 International Congress on Medieval Studies in Kalamazoo. I hope eventually to publish this in full version, with proper sources and illustrations, so please note that I retain all copyright and publication rights. In other words, this summary is not to be posted on any website (other than the H-COST archives) or distributed in printed form. (I'm a professional writer, so this is something I've learned to specify up front.) Personal use is OK as long as you keep this paragraph with the text. The lecture reported my conclusions after an examination of hundreds of images of 15th-century noblewomen's gowns, primarily from France, Flanders, and England. I used paintings, illuminations, brasses, sculptures, tapestries, and other artworks. I was looking specifically at the V-necked overgown (called Yorkist or Burgundian by some authors). My thesis was as follows: Many costume overviews present the V-necked style simply as the dominant style of the century, and do not delve much into its variations, leaving the impression that the fashion was fairly stable (far more so than the headdress of this period, which was highly variable and provides much fodder for costume writers). However, a close examination of the images shows that there are at least two highly distinct styles in this century, which differ in nearly every facet of silhouette and construction -- but because they share a fur-trimmed, V-shaped neckline, the difference is typically overlooked. In analyzing the first style (typical of 1440), I showed how it developed in many small, easy-to-track steps from the houppelande of 1400 or so. The houppelande is built as a loose gown, worn over a fitted underdress that shapes the figure. Among other characteristics, it has a long center front opening and a high fur-lined collar. A high, wide belt draws the folds of the gown close under the bust. Over the first few decades of the century, the collar first turns back to show its fur lining, and then becomes subsumed into the center front slit, which is pulled open to form a V-shape. The front vertical opening typically continues down below the belt, where the two sides are pulled shut with lacing. The V starts as a deeply horizontal shape and widens gradually over time, reaching about a 45-degree angle by the 1450s. It then stays fairly constantly at that angle into the 1460s. In the lecture, I described some of the considerations involved in reproducing this style. For one thing, you DON'T want to cut your fabric into a V-shape, because the cut edges will stretch on the bias, and the neckline won't hold -- as I'm sure many people here have discovered for themselves. Rather, for the earliest V-necks, you start with a vertical slit and pull it open to a narrow V, then cut your shoulders/armholes/side seams accordingly. To achieve the slightly wider V-necks, you angle your cut slightly off the straight grain in the center front opening -- but the V itself is formed mostly by pulling the sides apart, not by cutting, and the slit still forms a continuous line passing below the belt. The lacing that draws the lower part of the V together is visible in many images (see portraits by Van der Weyden, Petrus Christus and others from the 1440s or so, for instance). Late in the 1460s, the second version appears -- the V-shape is now suddenly quite wide, definitely horizontal in feel. Instead of a slit that is opened into a V, the V is clearly a separately cut shape. The sides of the V are no longer two long lines pulled into parallel; now they butt up endwise to form a short seam at the point of the V. Many examples (see some of Memling's portraits, for instance) have a gentle curved or scoop shape to them. At the same time, the body has been changing -- in the 1460s it starts to get tighter, as do the sleeves, and by the 1470s, this is quite obvious. My key point was that this later version can't be achieved with the earlier cut -- you can't cut a vertical slit and pull it open to this wide an angle. The earlier cut reaches its limit of expansion at about a 45-degree angle -- and not surprisingly, the widening of the V-neck had stalled at that angle in the 1450s and 1460s. So, I proposed that around the end of the 1460s, in a continuing effort to widen the V-neck even further (fashion details often progress toward extremes), dressmakers adopted a different cut to achieve this aim. I also proposed that the new cut was NOT a completely new approach, which would not be likely given that the new look appeared virtually simultaneously across France, Flanders, and England. Instead, I suggested that dressmakers adopted the cut of the *other* existing body garment of this time -- the fitted dress that, all this time, has been worn as an undergarment beneath the V-necked overgown. The fitted dress, which is much plainer looking, appears regularly in the artwork, but it's typically overlooked in general costume overviews. Still, the fitted construction appears in everyday dress of women of all classes in informal scenes; it also appears as an underdress in the occasional pictures of noblewomen who are deliberately depicted in partial dress. (Van der Weyden liked to show certain saints in this style, but you can find it on non-saintly figures as well.) Presumably, a fitted underdress is also being worn under all those V-necked gowns. So this would be a familiar construction for dressmakers, and a logical one to adapt for the later V-necked style -- particularly since they had already been moving to a more fitted look for the V-necked overgown, and surely had been using some elements of the standard fitted construction to achieve that. (The fitted style has of course undergone a few changes in the 15th century. In some cases it's shown with a waistline seam, and in a very few cases with princess seams, but generally, when seams are shown, the standard remains the four-piece-plus-gore construction that was typical at the beginning of the century. As a middle-class overdress, it typically has long sleeves, but when presented as an underdress, it often has short sleeves, which makes sense given that the overdress by this time had tight long sleeves. In images showing a short-sleeved underdress worn alone, the woman typically has contrasting sleeves pinned onto the short sleeves to cover her arms (over the shift). The short-sleeved underdress plus pinned-on long sleeves appears to stand as an acceptable outer layer for informal public wear, equivalent to a long-sleeved fitted dress; I have seen no sign that the pinned-on sleeves were used for any other reason than to make the short-sleeved fitted dress respectable when worn alone.) So, my conclusion was that the later version of the V-necked gown was actually a fitted dress that had been gussied up for company -- that is, it was given the details of fur cuffs, high belt, and furred V-neck that were associated with the existing upper-class dress, but the body construction remained that of the fitted style. I backed this up with a variety of slides of late V-necked dresses that clearly showed the body silhouette of the fitted dress, but with a V-shape grafted over the usual boat-shaped neckline. Given the looks of the sources, there was probably more than one way to convert the fitted design to the V-necked style. Sometimes the V was clearly scoop-shaped, not angular; sometimes it appeared to be straight fur pieces laid over a dress that might have had a boat-shaped neck. It's also possible that the curve of the fitted-dress neckline (which I had discussed at length in an earlier lecture) was cut deeper in the center and then pulled straight, providing an elasticity that would assist the fit and also achieving the V-necked illusion. Finally, I showed how the next step was to drop the grafted-on elements. Whereas a V-neck and high belt were originally functional parts of the early cut (the V-neck originating in a turnback of the center opening and the high belt used to confine the bulk of the gown), they had long since become strictly decorative. Toward the end of the century, they're dropped altogether; you can find many English brasses in the 1480s or so that have a V-neck (or a scooped neck with V-flaring trim) but no high belt, displaying the fitted construction in the body. In Flanders, eventually the V-neck itself disappears, but the underlying scoop remains cut deep, and the little triangle of fabric that used to fill in the V-neck is now used to fill in the scoop. Oh, that triangle. This question came up along the way, of course. What *is* that little piece of fabric that shows in the bottom of the V? Is it the underdress showing out, or is it a fake layer -- what some authors today call a placket? My own sense, as I worked on this paper, was that both theories are right, but in different eras. In the earliest versions of the V-necked gown, I think we see an underdress. One clue that suggests this is color. In examples from the 1440s or so, that triangle might be any of a variety of colors, and when we're fortunate enough to see some underdress visible at the hem, too, it's typically the same color, which would suggest that the triangle and the underskirt are both part of a single full-length underdress. However, as the V-neckline widens and the body tightens, the triangle becomes larger and more prominent. It's at this point that it also starts appearing always in either red or black. It's hard to make a fitted underdress lie this smooth and flat, because it's busy doing the job of shaping the bust. A fitted underdress also doesn't have that wide straight line across the top, but rather a boat neck -- which looks straight enough when only the center part is showing, but becomes more obvious as the V-neck widens. So I suspect that by the 1460s or so, they started to add a separate piece, pinned onto the underdress, to provide a smooth surface and a straight upper edge. This was my working hypothesis -- and then hurrah, I found one good image of what appears to be such a piece in use. It's in Rene d'Anjou's _Cueur d'Amours Espris_, which was published in a nice illustrated edition some years back as "King Rene's Book of Love." Mine's hardback (Braziller, 1975) but it came out in paperback later and may still be available; many libraries should have it. I'm stunned I never noticed this before, as I've seen this picture a hundred times -- but it's a night scene, so it's easy to pass by the details unless you're looking closely. In a preceding picture, you see two women (all the characters in the story are allegorical, but they're dressed as real people) in a boat, wearing V-necked gowns. In the next picture, you see them approaching an island, and by now they're wearing only their short-sleeved underdresses. One has her back to us, but the other is facing us, and you can see that her short-sleeved underdress is laced with a gap in the front, showing her white linen chemise. That white linen should be visible up to the top of the neckline, but there's another piece of fabric in the way, covering the top few inches of the gap. If you look closely, you can see it's a rectangular piece, wider than the gap itself, placed over the top of the lacing. The rectangle is black, whereas the underdress is painted as navy. That rectangle is what would be visible in the triangle of the V-neck. I can't come up with any other interpretation, and the picture is pretty clear once you look closely. I think that covers the high points. I hope this summary answers most of the questions people have been asking. --Robin Netherton _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 14:37:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA26045 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:37:36 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA07679; Wed, 12 May 1999 12:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA01146 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 12:47:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from isomedia.com (root@watson.isomedia.com [207.149.221.16]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA01120 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 12:47:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wingate (pm429.isomedia.com [207.149.222.188]) by isomedia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA03072 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:47:16 -0700 From: "Wylie & Gail" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Star Wars Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:44:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000301be9ca7$85ee21c0$0100a8c0@wingate> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <004f01be9c8b$6cf16860$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Wylie & Gail" I got the Queen's paper doll set last week. You mean the coloring book is even better? ~Meryld -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Franchesca Havas Sent: Wednesday, 12 May, 1999 08:12 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" I just got back from the grocer and bought a coloring book with all the costumes drawn in them! There are LOTS of them and they are good drawings! I can't wait to make the handmaiden's dress! and there are two formal dresses that are so detailed, at least in my eye, I know I can recreate them! I am sooooo happy! Does anyone know of similar coloring books out there for costume examples? Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 14:51:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA26225 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:51:21 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA10399; Wed, 12 May 1999 13:00:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA28652 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 12:38:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA28600 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 12:37:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26437 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:37:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp181-59.worldonline.nl [195.241.181.59]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26230 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:37:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905121837.UAA26230@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: trim/embellishment for surcotes? Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:39:27 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi list, Karla wrote: > I am wondering what would be appropriate trim/embellishment for a sideless > surcote? There should be no trim on a sideless (it turns out to be a sleeveless one...) surcotte. Medieval people mostly just turned the edge of a garment into a rollseam and fastened that. They may have used bias tape on the neckline or armhole, but you don't see that: it stays on the inside. There is no archeological evidence for (silk) bias tape before the second quarter of the 14th c (Textiles and Clothing, p. 158-161.), but it may have occurred earlier. > I made one last year, and just used that tape binding stuff on the > armholes and neckline in a contrasting color, to finish it. It's bright > red with royal blue trim, I have never seem contrasting trim in 13th or 14th c clothing. In fact: I have never seen trim on any of the costumes of this period. > and I wear it over a white underdress (yes I > know I should actually have a cotehardie or something under it as well :) Cottes for a more than really poor lady were hardly ever white. > Every time I put it on, my boyfriend comments about how plain it is... and > I agree, it is quite plain, especially considering that I don't even wear > a belt with it (yet). > Medieval clothing was very plain, if you were not a royal or a noble on certain occasions. Most of it was one colour for each garment (except for mi-parti livery or wandering minstrels dress). Knights, nobles and sometimes royalty wore heraldic surcottes at special occasions, others had patterned silks and a very few had brocades (from the late 13th c onwards). The attraction of medieval dress is all in the fall of the skirts, which are almost always as wide as one could pay for and as far as it was comfortable. The other attraction was in the colour: a single colour woollen broadcloth is in itself very beautiful and has no need of embellishing. Your boyfriend sounds like he's being raised on the Middle Ages according to Hollywood (aren't we all :-)). Don't let it get you down. By the way: never wear a belt over it, except if you are a busy housewife of the working classes. Later Peggy wrote: > I know the lady how posted the orginal question, (and indeed I often wear > the same style as her.) The surcote she is referring to is the earlier > one, the cylas from the later part of the 13th cent., not the later gates > of hell, really cutin, showing of the waist one of the 14th cent. > Nobility in Germany sometimes has a collar with it (see Manesse MS); it is probably (partly) embroidered with gold thread; it almost alway is depicted as of a yellow colour. The sleeveless surcotte is in fact nothing more than another layer, without having to wear another pair of sleeves (4 pairs of sleeves are not very comfortable). > Does anyone have suggestions for embellishment on the 13th cent style > surcote? Don't; let the cloth speak for itself! Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 14:52:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA26232 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:52:10 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA17773; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:46:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA12842 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA12769 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:22:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990512152253.HHQ13558.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@c59303-a> for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:22:53 -0700 Message-ID: <004f01be9c8b$6cf16860$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:11:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" I just got back from the grocer and bought a coloring book with all the costumes drawn in them! There are LOTS of them and they are good drawings! I can't wait to make the handmaiden's dress! and there are two formal dresses that are so detailed, at least in my eye, I know I can recreate them! I am sooooo happy! Does anyone know of similar coloring books out there for costume examples? Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 16:13:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27048 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:13:39 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA24135; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:24:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA22856 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:23:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA22827; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:23:53 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:23:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199905122023.OAA22827@indra.com> From: Scott Hulett To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: The V-necked gown (lecture summary, LONG) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Scott Hulett Wow, Robin, what a great paper! I'm truly sorry to have missed it. Super conclusions and really useful as well. I could see what you were doing in my minds eye as I read it, thanks for posting it. I look forward to your completed work! Cheers, jd _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 16:35:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27249 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:35:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA27510; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:46:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA27840 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id OAA27811 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:46:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA11463 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:43:05 -0400 Message-ID: <015201be9cb9$0a90d7e0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: H-COST: OT: Star Wars? Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:50:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" Just out of inane curiosity... I know one of you had a son who was in line for SW tickets. Did he get them? Just curious, since the guys in our office just called and bought 60 of them over the phone with no problem. Sarah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 16:39:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27266 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:39:44 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA28375; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA28676 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA28664 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:50:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP241.dialsprint.net [168.191.28.3]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA02341 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 13:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003401be9cb9$4518f960$031cbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: More on the Medieval Congress Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:51:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! Robin said, >I think that papers/presentations need to remain in the control of the >individual researchers. Oh, I certainly agree with that. What I had in mind was more of a central "resource" website with links to pages by anyone who wanted to put theirs on the Internet. Wouldn't have to be too fancy...And if a paper's heading towards traditional publication, it's less of a candidate for this, because presumably someday we'll all be able to buy the book or journal in which it appears. I often make this offer to SCA colleagues, so I guess I'll make it here: If anyone has costume research (any period, although medieval/Renaissance is my real interest) that you would like up on the Web but lack the skills for getting it there, contact me. I can HTML it (nothing fancy, but you don't necessarily want that on something of this nature), scan pictures, and assemble them for you. I have a Geocities cite where they can be posted, or you could just take everything for your own site. If you wanted the former, I can set up a permissions file for you that sets out parameters for use of your work so that you retain copyright and control. I am *particularly* interested in folks who are not only good historical costumers, but active researchers involved in analysis and interpretation of the various kinds of evidence. Or, if you have a page already with this kind of info, I'd love to hear about it and get a link set up off my own site! >Being web-impaired anyway, I wouldn't be eager to try to create yet >another site just for DISTAFF, particularly since the only thing our >papers have in common is that they were all presented at Kalamazoo! True enough, but I think that diversity is one of the strengths of the Kalamazoo sessions--I've certainly gained a much better appreciation for the whole range of medieval clothing through attending them, and learned all kinds of things about cut, fit, materials, colors, and how to look at sources. Terribly valuable stuff. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 17:08:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27560 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:08:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA03197; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:18:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA00795 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:59:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA00759 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP241.dialsprint.net [168.191.28.3]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA20137 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 13:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003b01be9cba$7f9d06c0$031cbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: trim/embellishment for surcotes? Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:00:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! Henk said, >Don't; let the cloth speak for itself! He's right. For the thirteenth century particularly, the beauty of the style is in the drape of the fabric, and if you've managed to get wool (or a blend substitute with the same look), your clothing will absolutely scream "Middle Ages!" You can also do some nice things with layers, particularly in the cotte/kirtle/"underdress" and the surcote. And if you use gore and gusset construction, you'll look even more historically accurate. This brings up a question: Where does the term "cyclas" come from? It sounds Greek, but I've never run across it in use in literary references about clothing (accounts books and the like, which do use "robe", "cote/cotte/coat", "smock," and "shirt"--this is in England, though the accounts are in Latin). Was it actually used in the 13th/early 14th century to refer to a sleeveless surcote? Some costume books show a "cyclas" as sort of a tabard for women, with open sides; the closest I've seen to this is the scapular worn by some of the monastic orders, including some of the women. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 17:09:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27569 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:09:02 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA03059; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:17:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA29832 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:55:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dgs.dgsys.com (robin@dgs.dgsys.com [204.97.64.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA29824 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:55:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by dgs.dgsys.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA03602 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:55:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dgs.dgsys.com: robin owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:55:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: More on the Medieval Congress In-Reply-To: <003401be9cb9$4518f960$031cbfa8@dsc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Robin Netherton On Wed, 12 May 1999, Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > I often make this offer to SCA colleagues, so I guess I'll make it here: If > anyone has costume research (any period, although medieval/Renaissance is my > real interest) that you would like up on the Web but lack the skills for > getting it there, contact me. I can HTML it (nothing fancy, but you don't > necessarily want that on something of this nature), scan pictures, and > assemble them for you. I have a Geocities cite where they can be posted, or > you could just take everything for your own site. What a generous offer, Susan. I'll make sure to mention it to our presenters who don't have traditional routes to publication. Could you post your URL here for us? --Robin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 17:50:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27959 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:50:00 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA10446; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:00:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA19820 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:00:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (root@sm0101.promedia.net [209.160.170.6]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA19639 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from j9g8x8 (ppp-209-160-171-68.01.promedia.net [209.160.171.68]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA30737 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:00:02 -0700 Message-ID: <000701be9cc2$df9ab880$44aba0d1@j9g8x8> From: "Broneske" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:00:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Broneske" I bought a paper doll book with the queen's costumes in it. They are colored "pictures", not photos, but pretty good anyways. Joan B. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 19:58:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29296 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:58:25 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA05252; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:09:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA18707 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:08:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA18696 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:08:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-002ohcoluP127.dialsprint.net [168.191.27.191]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA18260 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003401be9cd4$ffad4d60$bf1bbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: More on the Medieval Congress Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:10:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! >What a generous offer, Susan. I'll make sure to mention it to our >presenters who don't have traditional routes to publication. > >Could you post your URL here for us? My main page is at www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/5145 . That's currently the Library of St. Nicholas, my SCA-targeted articles site. If interest is great enough, I can create a costume sub-page in my directory which would not be just SCA-related. (Currently, there are a few clothing-related articles on the site, but as a whole, it's articles of all sorts....) Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 20:44:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA29782 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:44:15 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA09878; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:54:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA24347 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:54:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from discordia.io.com (discordia.io.com [199.170.88.100]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA24335 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:54:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragon (as7-dialup-32.io.com [206.224.81.224]) by discordia.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12922 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:54:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199905130054.TAA12922@discordia.io.com> From: "Amanda Reeves" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: OT: Star Wars? Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:57:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Amanda Reeves" Hi, that was me, Amanda Reeves, from Austin, Texas. Will and his friends camped out on the sidewalk of the theater beginning Saturday morning. They got a spot that was 9th in line. Tickets went on sale today (Wednesday). They had to strike camp by noon today and stand in line. There ended up being hundreds of campers. (I even had a student-I teach High School - come in during his class all grubby asking for his work so he could take it with him to do while waiting in line). The manager of the theater had everything very much under control. They had to all sign waivers when they set up camp - there could be no more than 10 people camping in a group - and each person could purchase no more than 12 tickets each. The manager checked on each group throughout the day every day. It was memory making for these kids (I say kids, Will will be 20 in July). He's been home asleep all afternoon :-) AR ---------- > From: Sarah Toney > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: H-COST: OT: Star Wars? > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 3:50 PM > > > -Poster: "Sarah Toney" > > Just out of inane curiosity... I know one of you had a son who was in line > for SW tickets. Did he get them? Just curious, since the guys in our > office just called and bought 60 of them over the phone with no problem. > > Sarah > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 21:46:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA30406 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:46:42 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA17128; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:56:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA02277 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:56:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from komarr.local.thibault.org (adsl-151-197-16-76.bellatlantic.net [151.197.16.76]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA02255 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:56:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thibault.org (granny.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.16]) by komarr.local.thibault.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA31410 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:56:02 -0400 Message-ID: <373A3134.30EAD305@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:57:10 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue Organization: Virtue Ventures http://www.virtue.to X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: The V-necked gown References: <199905121755.LAA18080@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Cynthia Virtue Wow! Thanks, Robin. A question on terminology. "Boat-neck." I learned this term to mean a very horizontal neck shape, reaching from shoulder to shoulder by the shortest possible method, nearly as if the neckline was a straight edge of cloth, front and back, no shaping. But I don't think that's what you mean when you say "boat neck." Could you expand a little on this term? -- Once again let me stress that I don't think that problems like rudeness and littering are as important as, say, the Greenhouse Effect. I'm just saying that the nonjerks of the world should try not to be intimidated by the jerks. -- Dave Barry, as TidyMan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 22:13:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA30702 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:13:19 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA19977; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:23:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA05608 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:23:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ionet.net (root@mail.ionet.net [206.41.128.16]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA05598 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:23:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from RASZ02001 (pxnas2-47.ionet.net [209.54.49.107]) by ionet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA04891 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:25:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00d801be9ce8$8d898be0$6b3136d1@apsc.com> From: "DEAN QUACKENBUSH" To: References: <199905112040.PAA15237@ionet.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Places to shop in Charlotte NC?? Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:30:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "DEAN QUACKENBUSH" Got several responses for Houston (Thanks to the 'net, I can find anything-wouldn't it be neat if my rental car had a GPS unit?). Now lurking for Charlotte. I am so thrilled, I haven't been able to post for months and its finally working!! Thanks Elizabeth-you are like some Goddess out there! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 1:40 PM Subject: H-COST: Places to shop in Houston Tx and Charlotte NC?? > > -Poster: deanq@ionet.net > > Any suggestions on Fabric etc places in Houston and Charlotte? > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 22:17:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA30732 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:17:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA20469; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:27:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA06219 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:27:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ionet.net (root@mail.ionet.net [206.41.128.16]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA06209 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:27:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from RASZ02001 (pxnas2-47.ionet.net [209.54.49.107]) by ionet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA09103 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:30:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00ea01be9ce9$287c4b60$6b3136d1@apsc.com> From: "DEAN QUACKENBUSH" To: References: <199905111531.HAA15969@zeus.directcon.net> Subject: H-COST: Dyed Fur in 15th and 16th century? Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:34:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "DEAN QUACKENBUSH" Anyone know of any reference to dyed fur to match costume in this period? I am creating a costume for a Lymond of Crawford character and began to wonder? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 22:27:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA30848 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:27:15 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA21841; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:38:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA07605 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:37:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ionet.net (root@mail.ionet.net [206.41.128.16]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA07597 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:37:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from RASZ02001 (pxnas2-47.ionet.net [209.54.49.107]) by ionet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA19331 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:40:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <014f01be9cea$9b155760$6b3136d1@apsc.com> From: "DEAN QUACKENBUSH" To: References: <199905101958.NAA10432@bsumail.idbsu.edu> Subject: Re: H-COST: Rit or bleach? Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:45:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "DEAN QUACKENBUSH" Hmm-be careful with bleach! You may be okay with the cotton/poly, but I bought a bolt of silk/acetate brocade in orange (I mean -mean orange) and tried to bleach it. It changes the structure of the fabric, and causes it to be brittle. It tears with slight pressure. I have had success with overdying it. Awesome texture! Has anyone tried some of the more expensive dyes (tinfix?) are they worth it? ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Yordy To: Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 1:58 PM Subject: H-COST: Rit or bleach? > > -Poster: "Linda Yordy" > > Sorry if we've gone over this before. I obviously wasn't paying > attention. > > Anyway, I recently bought a linen-look fabric (poly/cotton) for > $.44/yard. It's not bad fabric, it's just that the color is a cross > between salmon and hunter orange (let's just say that the > saleslady put on her sunglasses to cut it.) I was going to use for > making patterns, muslins, etc. so washed it in hot water to > preshrink. Found that it faded a bit. Wash wondering if I could > make it usable by fading it more. > > Have heard where people use Rit dye remover (I believe that's what > they called it). Was also wondering if I just added some bleach if > that might do the job (or will bleach streak and do the tie-dye > look?). I don't mind the color so much as I just don't want my dress > to compete with the florescent lighting. > > Thanks! > > > Linda Yordy > Phone: 208/426-4034 > Boise State University > Center for Management Development > 1910 University Drive > Boise, ID 83725-1660 > ******************************************************** > Yordy's Law #3: When wearing white, apply your lunch > directly to your shirt -- it will end up there anyway. > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 22:31:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA30928 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:31:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA22373; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:42:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA08247 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:42:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post2.fast.net (post2.fast.net [198.69.204.22]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA08233 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:42:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fast.net (maxtnt07-abe-87.fast.net [205.147.194.87]) by post2.fast.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA19711 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <373A48DE.C7DE2ACD@fast.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:37:02 -0500 From: jennifer guyton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars References: <000701be9cc2$df9ab880$44aba0d1@j9g8x8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: jennifer guyton Hi.. I am a new subscriber to this list and saw all the interest in Star Wars items. I had recently put a board game called "Escape from the Death Star" on ebay, but recieved no bids. Its still in the shrink wrap and its from 1977..mint condition. Do you know of anyone who would be interested in it? Thanks.. Jennifer Broneske wrote: > -Poster: "Broneske" > > I bought a paper doll book with the queen's costumes in it. They are > colored "pictures", not photos, but pretty good anyways. > > Joan B. > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 23:02:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA31212 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:02:50 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA25544; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:12:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA11902 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:12:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dgs.dgsys.com (robin@dgs.dgsys.com [204.97.64.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA11888 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:12:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by dgs.dgsys.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA06029 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:12:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dgs.dgsys.com: robin owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:12:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: The V-necked gown In-Reply-To: <373A3134.30EAD305@thibault.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Robin Netherton On Wed, 12 May 1999, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > "Boat-neck." I learned this term to mean a very horizontal neck shape, > reaching from shoulder to shoulder by the shortest possible method, > nearly as if the neckline was a straight edge of cloth, front and back, > no shaping. But I don't think that's what you mean when you say "boat > neck." Could you expand a little on this term? Good point -- costume terminology is used so variably. I think of a boat-neck as a shallow scoop, wider than it is deep, like the curved shape of the bottom of a boat in a child's drawing. Of course, for all I know, I may be the only person in the world using that definition. I have no idea where I picked it up, which may mean I just made the assumption. --Robin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 23:14:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA31310 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:14:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA27105; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:24:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA13728 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:24:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mole.slip.net (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA13720 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:24:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.140] (helo=default) by mole.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10hm6s-0003pm-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:24:35 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:25:38 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars In-Reply-To: <373A48DE.C7DE2ACD@fast.net> References: <000701be9cc2$df9ab880$44aba0d1@j9g8x8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 10:37 PM 5/12/99 -0500, you wrote: > >-Poster: jennifer guyton > >Hi.. >I am a new subscriber to this list and saw all the interest in Star Wars >items. I had recently put a board game called "Escape from the Death >Star" on ebay, but recieved no bids. Its still in the shrink wrap and its >from 1977..mint condition. Do you know of anyone who would be interested >in it? >Thanks.. >Jennifer So what value would you set on it? My friend's daughter is Star Wars nuts, but they don't have scads of money. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 23:37:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA31511 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:37:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA29021; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:48:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA16183 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:48:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA16174 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:48:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from slave (BayArea56k553.NetWiz.Net [208.164.208.153]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.9.2/8.9.1a) with SMTP id UAA14246 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <373A4ADE.834@netwiz.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:45:34 -0700 From: Susan Fatemi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: paper dolls References: <000701be9cc2$df9ab880$44aba0d1@j9g8x8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Susan Fatemi Broneske wrote: > > -Poster: "Broneske" > > I bought a paper doll book with the queen's costumes in it. They are > colored "pictures", not photos, but pretty good anyways. > > Joan B. > Where are people buying the paperdolls?? Toy stores? Susan F. -- Oh Noh! Kimonos! susanf@netwiz.net http://www.netwiz.net/~susanf _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 12 23:57:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA31713 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:57:51 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA01105; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:08:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA18493 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:08:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (root@sm0101.promedia.net [209.160.170.6]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA18467 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:08:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from j9g8x8 (ppp-209-160-172-71.01.promedia.net [209.160.172.71]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA10496 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:08:25 -0700 Message-ID: <003201be9cf6$57116c00$47aca0d1@j9g8x8> From: "Broneske" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: paper dolls Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:09:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Broneske" I got mine at a Rite-Aid drug store! Joan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 00:36:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA32116 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 00:36:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA07292; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:47:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA22196 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay4.hawaii.edu (relay4.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.12]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id WAA22184 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:46:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from uhunix1.its.hawaii.edu ([128.171.44.6]) by relay4.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <373735(7)>; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:46:12 -1000 Received: from localhost by uhunix1.its.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <135724(4)>; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:46:39 -1000 Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:46:37 -1000 From: X-Sender: lisaleon@uhunix1 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: paper dolls In-Reply-To: <373A4ADE.834@netwiz.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: > > I bought a paper doll book with the queen's costumes in it. They are > > colored "pictures", not photos, but pretty good anyways. > > Where are people buying the paperdolls?? Toy stores? I saw some at WalMart. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 00:46:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA32219 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 00:46:44 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA08406; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA23128 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:57:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from isomedia.com (root@watson.isomedia.com [207.149.221.16]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA23118 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:57:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wingate (pm422.isomedia.com [207.149.222.181]) by isomedia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA07914 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:57:37 -0700 From: "Wylie & Gail" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: paper dolls Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:55:17 -0700 Message-ID: <000301be9cfc$cc9bb240$0100a8c0@wingate> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003201be9cf6$57116c00$47aca0d1@j9g8x8> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Wylie & Gail" I live in Seattle and got mine at Fred Meyer. They are published by Random House. They have colored drawings and photos. At $3.99 a better deal than to spend a fortune on buying mags so I could get photos of the Queen's many gowns. They were also selling the Phantom Menace Movie Scrapbook and Scrapbook, the Ultimate Insiders Guide to the Movie at $7.99 each. Lots of great photos. ~G -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Broneske Sent: Wednesday, 12 May, 1999 21:09 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: paper dolls -Poster: "Broneske" I got mine at a Rite-Aid drug store! Joan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 01:35:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00170 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 01:35:08 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA13223; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:46:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA27081 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:45:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA27076 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:45:45 -0600 (MDT) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com (260) by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6KTTa02054; Thu, 13 May 1999 01:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:45:04 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: paper dolls To: h-costume@indra.com CC: susanf@netwiz.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com In a message dated 5/12/1999 20:51:34 Pacific Daylight Time, susanf@netwiz.net writes: << Where are people buying the paperdolls?? Toy stores? Susan F. >> Susan, Tom Tierney publishes a wonderful series of paper dolls from almost every period in history. He also has many series dedicated to stars like Vivien Leigh, which include repros of the GWTW costumes, as well as Streetcar Named Desire, etc. He does Marilyn Monroe, and others. They are in print and are available through Amazon.com, or at Barnes & Noble. angil +++++ Angela F. Lazear Costumes & Custom Clothing Theatrical Costume Design "Let me take you a buttonhole lower." W. Shakespeare _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 02:07:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA07069 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 02:07:24 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA16133; Thu, 13 May 1999 00:18:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA29250 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 00:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hil-img-9.compuserve.com (hil-img-9.compuserve.com [149.174.177.139]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA29233 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 00:17:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-9.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id CAA00120 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Thu, 13 May 1999 02:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 02:16:51 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Rit or bleach? To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199905130217_MC2-7591-76BA@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id CAA07069 Status: O -Poster: Melanie Wilson I would be inclinded to strip the dyestuff off (ie remove the dye with a dye remover). If by bleach you mean household bleach it will very probably ruin the fabric damaging the structure and so on. fabrics arn't keep on alot of treaments, they will stand it befor dyeing, and you can blech post dyeing with one method but this used to lift the colour of the fabric rather than remove the colour. CXommercially overdyeing is always attenpted without stripping where possible because of the danger to the fabric structure. Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 02:22:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20748 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 02:22:39 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA17476; Thu, 13 May 1999 00:33:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA00435 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 00:33:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA00427 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 00:33:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from slave (BayArea56k553.NetWiz.Net [208.164.208.153]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.9.2/8.9.1a) with SMTP id XAA07478 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <373A71AE.E15@netwiz.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:31:11 -0700 From: Susan Fatemi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: paper dolls References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Susan Fatemi MzScahlett@aol.com wrote: > > -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com > > In a message dated 5/12/1999 20:51:34 Pacific Daylight Time, > susanf@netwiz.net writes: << Where are people buying the paperdolls?? Toy > stores? Susan F. >> > > Susan, Tom Tierney publishes a wonderful series of paper dolls from almost > every period in history. He also has many series dedicated to stars like > Vivien Leigh, which include repros of the GWTW costumes, as well as Streetcar > Named Desire, etc. He does Marilyn Monroe, and others. They are in print and > are available through Amazon.com, or at Barnes & Noble. > I meant the Star Wars paper dolls. Susan -- Oh Noh! Kimonos! susanf@netwiz.net http://www.netwiz.net/~susanf _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 06:21:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA01669 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 06:21:02 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id EAA00197; Thu, 13 May 1999 04:32:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id EAA20806 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 04:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id EAA20799 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 04:31:57 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com (8030) by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6KYEa03427 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 06:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8bd985a7.246c03ef@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 06:31:11 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Places to shop in Charlotte NC?? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com If you have transportation, you will want to visit Mary Jo's Cloth Shop, which is in Gastonia, a short ride out of Charlotte. (Sorry I can't give you directions, but you shouldn't have a problem finding someone who can tell you how to get there.) While, as you would expect for a southern store, the emphasis seems to be on cotton prints, there are also some very nice silks and wools at reasonable prices, and also an extensive trim department. Enjoy! Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 14:39:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07235 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:39:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA06190; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:50:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA05230 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:49:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA05212 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:49:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com (8023) by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6UASa03058 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:48:33 EDT Subject: H-COST: trim on early surcote To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com I'm afraid that I don't know whether or not that this is period BUT I have seen a woman at many events wearing just this period, and she always looks smashing. She wears woven trim around the wrist of her undergown and at the hem, neck, and armholes of her surcote. The trim she picks is fairly wide (about two inches) and isn't obviously modern (you know, little roses and things) or Tudor-looking. It is a very attractive style that I wish MORE people would wear if they want something simple. The headgear is essential to the look, IMO. Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 15:45:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07931 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:45:18 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA18471; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:57:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA18513 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:55:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA18475 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:55:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p16.directcon.net [206.170.184.65]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA15673 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:51:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:51:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199905132051.MAA15673@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: H-Cost: Boot recommendations? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson Well, I taught my first costume class last night, and it went very well. However, after standing for two hours in my cheap lace up boots, I've decided that I want to spend the pitiful amount of money I'll be making on a good pair of 1850's boots. Can anyone recommend a supplier? I'm especially interested in comfort and support, as my feet have to support rather a lot. An idea of pricing would be helpful, too. Margo Anderson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 15:56:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08050 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:56:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA20688; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:08:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA20887 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:06:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA20875 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:06:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com (548) by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6SULa16144 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3cc9e27e.246c8a71@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:05:05 EDT Subject: H-COST: 1200s trim To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com This is in reply to Henk's reply. I was under the impression (please read this as me being humble, not as me trying to say that I am right!) that we had little or no extant clothing from the 1200s, and that most of our surviving artwork from this time is in the form of illuminations, so that we don't know whether people used trim on their clothing. Likewise we don't know whether they used much decorative embroidery. Henk seems to speak with much authority, so perhaps I mistaken. It seems to me that the later in history you go, and the more "photographic" in style that the artwork gets, the more we see in the way of decorative stitches, embroidery, ruffles and pleats, beading, etc. The question I have is whether these things actually became more elaborate over time, or whether the earlier and less detailed art just didn't show them. Do we really know the answer to this? Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 16:15:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08254 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:15:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA23453; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:27:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA24626 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:25:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA24610 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:25:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP023.dialsprint.net [168.191.27.31]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA04368 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003201be9d7f$02322240$1f1bbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:27:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! >This is in reply to Henk's reply. I was under the impression (please read >this as me being humble, not as me trying to say that I am right!) that we >had little or no extant clothing from the 1200s, and that most of our >surviving artwork from this time is in the form of illuminations, so that we >don't know whether people used trim on their clothing. Likewise we don't know >whether they used much decorative embroidery. True enough, but some illumination--or rather, paintings--are really quite detailed in what they do show. Statuary is another major source of information. Some examples of statuary from this period show a lot of detail in, for instance, the girdles or belts around the waists of the subjects; others put a lot of detail in the headgear, or the brooches, but fairly consistantly the clothing is shown either untrimmed or *perhaps* trimmed with simple contrasting bands of cloth. I'm willing to go a step further and posit simple embroidery patterns (perhaps just couched thread) or tablet-woven braids, simply because we do have some evidence from earlier periods that these were used. But the fact that they're not depicted in great detail tends to make me think they were subtle, if they *were* there. I think Henk's point is that it's a tendency for us to want to gussy things up with trim and such, and to assume that this was always done. Some of the most authentically-medieval things I've seen out there accomplish this with little or no trimming, but with well-chosen, beautifully-cut fabrics. >It seems to me that the later in history you go, and the more "photographic" >in style that the artwork gets, the more we see in the way of decorative >stitches, embroidery, ruffles and pleats, beading, etc. The question I have >is whether these things actually became more elaborate over time, or whether >the earlier and less detailed art just didn't show them. Do we really know >the answer to this? Ruffles and pleats are in a slightly different category than beading or embroidery, simply because they're part of the cut and construction, not the ornamentation. I'm inclined to say that if *particularly* statuary doesn't show ruffles or pleats, they almost certainly weren't there. And although we only have a few surviving pieces from the 13th century (the Shirt of St. Louis and the clothing from the royal tombs at Las Huelgas being the primary examples), we do have more *pieces* from garments, and this evidence all tends to support less ornamentation, rather than more, and an emphasis on fabric, rather than ornamentation, to convey a feeling of luxury. Goodness, I'd be thrilled to tears to find solid evidence of lots of embroidery or beading for this period, since I do both, and I'm always hoping something new will turn up.... Susan Caroll-Clark _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 16:32:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08443 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:32:09 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA26170; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:44:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA27820 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:42:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from centum.utulsa.edu (centum.utulsa.edu [129.244.1.199]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id OAA27778 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:42:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by centum.utulsa.edu for H-COSTUME@INDRA.COM; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:42:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:42:46 -0500 From: "I. Marc Carlson" To: H-COSTUME@indra.com Message-Id: <990513154246.d14c2@centum.utulsa.edu> Subject: H-COST: Boot recommendations? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "I. Marc Carlson" > >Well, I taught my first costume class last night, and it went very well. >However, after standing for two hours in my cheap lace up boots, I've >decided that I want to spend the pitiful amount of money I'll be making on a >good pair of 1850's boots. >Can anyone recommend a supplier? I'm especially interested in comfort and >support, as my feet have to support rather a lot. An idea of pricing would >be helpful, too. It's a little out of my period, but be careful. The last time I went looking for boots, they were running in the several hundred of dollars range. Marc _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 19:34:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10228 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:34:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA21908; Thu, 13 May 1999 17:46:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA02394 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 17:44:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA02381 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 17:44:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-61-129.s129.tnt1.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.61.129]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA17502 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000101be9d9a$a207d7e0$813daccf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Max Factor & MND Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:45:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" Max Factor has come out with a line of cosmetics to go with the film A Midsummer Night's Dream. This is a collection inspired by the movie, and designed by the film's makeup artist, Ronnie Specter. Some of the colors are Pease Blossom, Cob Web, and Mustard Seed. There are in gift sets at: http://www.maxfactor.com/ I have no interest in the product. I just saw the ad in Vogue and found it interesting. I guess the film's marketers are wanting to set some trends! Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 19:42:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10313 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:42:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA22450; Thu, 13 May 1999 17:54:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA03462 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 17:52:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (edtnps04.telusplanet.net [198.161.157.104]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA03379 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 17:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clgrtnt4-port-30.agt.net ([161.184.49.30]:1027 "HELO Freya") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id <66925-15464>; Thu, 13 May 1999 17:49:02 -0600 X-Sender: agottfre@pop.telusplanet.net (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: H-COST: British jockey caps, c. 1774-1821 X-Mailer: Message-Id: <19990513234902Z66925-15464+4@smtp1.telusplanet.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:49:02 -0600 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) I am researching the dress of Canadian voyageurs c. 1774-1821. One of the items of clothing that shows up on fur trade inventory lists is 'jockey caps', but I have nothing more than a guess as to what these caps looked like (i.e. like modern jockey's caps, which are shaped like baseball caps). On the web, I've found statements that Rogers Rangers wore jockey caps, but no descriptions of them. One web site noted that they were originally cut down from tricorns. On the other hand, the caption for plate 59 in Stella Blum's _Eighteenth Century French Fashion Plates in Full Colour_ (published by Dover) describes the man as "Stock-market speculator in morning clothes and 'chapeau jockei' (1787)". The 'chapeau jockei' shown is not at all like a baseball cap--it has a wide brim all around, which is flat on the sides and pushed down over the eyes and in the back; it has a tall straight crown similar to the crown on a top hat. Of course, this may be a French 'jockey hat' which has absolutely nothing to do with the 'jockey caps' the British fur traders are writing about. Can anyone help me with a reliable description of English jockey caps of this period? Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 19:50:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10399 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:50:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA23540; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:02:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA04699 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id SAA04692 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:01:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.19.1.35] ([172.19.1.35]) by mail.cho.org; Thu, 13 May 1999 17:00:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000101be9d9a$a207d7e0$813daccf@costume> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:59:26 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: H-COST: Max Factor & MND Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lynn Downward >-Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > >Max Factor has come out with a line of cosmetics to go with the film A >Midsummer Night's Dream. This is a collection inspired by the movie, and >designed by the film's makeup artist, Ronnie Specter. Some of the colors >are Pease Blossom, Cob Web, and Mustard Seed. There are in gift sets at: >http://www.maxfactor.com/ I have no interest in the product. I just saw >the ad in Vogue and found it interesting. > >I guess the film's marketers are wanting to set some trends! > >Later...Penny >http://www.costumegallery.com > OT to Penny's message: Does anyone know if this is the Ronnie Specter who was a "girl group" singer in the 60's and later married Phil Specter? Or was that Spector? LynnD _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 20:32:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10868 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 20:32:28 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA28609; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:44:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA09487 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:43:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA09477 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:43:14 -0600 (MDT) From: snowfire@mail.snet.net Received: from [204.60.12.185] (hrfr-sh11-port185.snet.net [204.60.12.185]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with SMTP id UAA07921 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 20:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905140043.UAA07921@smtp.snet.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:41:43 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3cc9e27e.246c8a71@aol.com> X-Mailer: SPRYNET Mail 32-Bit Mail Version: 05.00.06.72 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: snowfire@mail.snet.net -Poster: Elysant >This is in reply to Henk's reply. I was under the impression (please read >this as me being humble, not as me trying to say that I am right!) that we >had little or no extant clothing from the 1200s, and that most of our >surviving artwork from this time is in the form of illuminations, so that we >don't know whether people used trim on their clothing. Likewise we don't know >whether they used much decorative embroidery. Henk seems to speak with much >authority, so perhaps I mistaken. I don't have any sources or documents for you, but three things come to mind in reading this. One is what about tombs and brass rubbings? They're remarkably detailed sometimes! The next is what about the Bayeux Tapestry, although earlier, isn't it full of such clothing details? And the last is that as a Saxon lady, I understand that we (the Saxons) at that time wore brightly and lavishly coloured and trimmed tunics and overdresses, with lots of jewelry. Again, I have no documentation for my last point, it is merely a summation of what I've absorbed from various sources, but there's no smoke without fire is there? Am I dressing incorrectly then? Elysant de Holtham MKA Jean Holtom (yes my mundane surname's really OE and I'm a Brit) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 21:04:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11263 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:04:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA02235; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:16:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA13154 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:14:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA13143 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id KAA01473 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:44:35 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA02730; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:53:41 +0930 Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:53:33 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim In-Reply-To: <199905140043.UAA07921@smtp.snet.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Thu, 13 May 1999 snowfire@mail.snet.net wrote: > > I don't have any sources or documents for you, but three things come to mind in > reading this. One is what about tombs and brass rubbings? They're remarkably > detailed sometimes! The next is what about the Bayeux Tapestry, although > earlier, isn't it full of such clothing details? And the last is that as a > Saxon lady, I understand that we (the Saxons) at that time wore brightly and > lavishly coloured and trimmed tunics and overdresses, with lots of jewelry. > > Again, I have no documentation for my last point, it is merely a summation of > what I've absorbed from various sources, but there's no smoke without fire is > there? Am I dressing incorrectly then? Memorial brasses don't appear until about 1350 IIRC, and where they have detail for clothing of that era it seems to be largely brocade patterns. Henk and Susan are talking about the 13th century, at least a hundred years after Saxon rule in England ended (even longer since their counterparts held forth on the continent). There is a relatively abrupt change around 1200AD from fancy to simple clothes. Plenty of evidence for trim etc before that....not very much afterwards. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 21:24:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11462 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:24:24 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA05319; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:36:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA15448 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:35:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA15437 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:35:14 -0600 (MDT) From: snowfire@mail.snet.net Received: from [204.60.12.185] (hrfr-sh11-port185.snet.net [204.60.12.185]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with SMTP id VAA28192 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905140135.VAA28192@smtp.snet.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:33:38 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: SPRYNET Mail 32-Bit Mail Version: 05.00.06.72 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: snowfire@mail.snet.net >Memorial brasses don't appear until about 1350 IIRC, and where they have >detail for clothing of that era it seems to be largely brocade patterns. >Henk and Susan are talking about the 13th century, at least a hundred years >after Saxon rule in England ended (even longer since their counterparts >held forth on the continent). There is a relatively abrupt change around >1200AD from fancy to simple clothes. I see. Forgive me for getting confused here :-). For the 12th century (1100AD - 1200AD) trim is correct. 13th Century (1200s) it would not be correct. Elysant _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 21:53:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11725 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:53:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA08503; Thu, 13 May 1999 20:06:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA19036 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 20:04:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (00217146@bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA19028 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 20:04:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA24005 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:08:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:08:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Midsummer Night's Dream In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> > -Poster: Parsla Liepa > > > In high school, when we put on MND, we set it in the 50s. Titania > was Marilyn Monroe, Oberon a young Elvis, and Puck was running around in a > bowling shirt we found that had 'The Fairies' or something like that on > the back. We had an awful lot of fun doing it; too bad most of the > details have escaped me. Emma? Sorry, I've been sick (as well you know, Parsla...). I don't remember what was on Puck's back, but "Puck" was embroidered on the front. Cobweb had a grey felt full-circle (poodle-type) skirt, with a spider and a bit of web applique'd on. I don't remember the rest as well. Emma _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 22:32:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12110 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 22:32:25 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA12306; Thu, 13 May 1999 20:44:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA23085 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 20:43:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA23072 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 20:43:06 -0600 (MDT) From: MissMela@aol.com Received: from MissMela@aol.com (3961) by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6NEYa04196 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 22:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <72290ce3.246ce789@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:42:17 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: H-Cost: Boot recommendations? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: MissMela@aol.com Capri Shoe Repair in Fullerton, California makes all of Disney's shoes. They do great lace up boots that actors have to dance in all day. They are located at 1218 W. Commonwealth, Fullerton, CA 92833 714 525 5128 They do Cavalier boots for about $350.00 that are wonderful. They have been doing specialty shoes and boots for 20 years and they are wonderful. I would imagine the boots you want would cost about $100.00 to $120.00 but I don't work for them, just a very happy customer. Ask for Oscar. Yes, they do shoes over the phone. They are open Mon-Thurs 7:30-5:30 PM, Friday 7:30-6:30 and Saturday 8:00-3:00. They are 10 minutes from Disney, so if you are in town, perhaps you could stop there. Mela _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 13 23:12:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA12522 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 23:12:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA17521; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:25:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA27272 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:23:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA27266 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:23:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Appin1@aol.com Received: from Appin1@aol.com (14392) by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6QJKa05051 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 23:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:22:29 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: mambo kings To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Appin1@aol.com Gail -- If you've ever seen an Edsel -- well, two of those could crash head-on and bounce off each other. BIG, heavy cars! Most early 60s cars were big mothers with lots of steel. You never know. But, I agree about the movie. I loved it. Kathleen Norvell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 00:00:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA13003 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 00:00:34 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA21990; Thu, 13 May 1999 22:11:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA02263 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 22:09:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA02251 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 22:09:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id NAA03062 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 13:39:33 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA02814; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:48:38 +0930 Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:48:30 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: mambo kings In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Thu, 13 May 1999 Appin1@aol.com wrote: > > -Poster: Appin1@aol.com > > Gail -- If you've ever seen an Edsel -- well, two of those could crash > head-on and bounce off each other. BIG, heavy cars! Most early 60s cars were > big mothers with lots of steel. You never know. > That would be twice as bad! To bounce something takes twice the force of just stopping it, and that force is applied to poor little soft you too. In addition most early cars had poor interior design with hard, sharp dashes and rigid steering columns. There were some truely horrific accidents in them....but this is OT :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 00:01:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA13015 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 00:01:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA22164; Thu, 13 May 1999 22:13:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA02493 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 22:11:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA02452; Thu, 13 May 1999 22:11:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-61-129.s129.tnt1.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.61.129]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA17348; Fri, 14 May 1999 00:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000101be9dbf$e82f9760$813daccf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Medieval Update Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:11:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" I have updated the Medieval Image Links section to our Online Library, http://www.costumegallery.com/Medieval.htm . I am really excited about some of the manuscript images I have found on the web. The artwork is stunning! Please let me personally know how you like them. I would also like to know if you have found some links that show good costuming images from this time span. Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 00:14:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA13123 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 00:14:25 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA23480; Thu, 13 May 1999 22:26:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA03675 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 22:24:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA03665 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 22:24:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-121-133.s133.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.121.133]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA09312 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 00:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <373BD14B.C7CDBC04@erols.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:31:23 -0700 From: "David S. Mallinak" Organization: Red Dragon Enterprises X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: Lymond of Crawford???? References: <199905111531.HAA15969@zeus.directcon.net> <00ea01be9ce9$287c4b60$6b3136d1@apsc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "David S. Mallinak" DEAN QUACKENBUSH wrote: > Anyone know of any reference to dyed fur to match costume in this period? I > am creating a costume for a Lymond of Crawford character and began to > wonder? I just have to ask, "Lymond of Crawford" as in Dorothy Dunnett Lymond Saga? If yes is this a play, or something else? David S Mallinak matchlck@erols.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 01:20:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA13959 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 01:20:51 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA28748; Thu, 13 May 1999 23:32:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA08877 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 23:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.pacifier.com (root@smtp.pacifier.com [199.2.117.96]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA08872 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 23:31:00 -0600 (MDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip108.van21.pacifier.com [216.65.138.108]) by smtp.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA05641 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 22:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905140530.WAA05641@smtp.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:27:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: The Inventory of Henry VIII Priority: normal References: <37370845.FCC7A116@serv.net> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > As for the cost: Amazon has it for 150 pounds. The retail cost was $265 > from David Stone; the Medieval Congress Discount brought it down to $198. > And (at the risk of being overly-gleeful), I snagged it on the last day of > the congress at half price, for $96. The 2nd and 3rd volumes have not come out yet. They told me an estimate when I was at the National Portrait Gallery in London week before last but I just got off the plane and my body thinks it is still in London, so I don't remember exactly what they said. Something like Feb 2000, I think. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 01:59:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA14264 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 01:59:19 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA01448; Fri, 14 May 1999 00:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA11524 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 00:10:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA11514 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 00:10:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip203-37.cc.interlog.com [207.34.203.37]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA05693 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 02:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990514021158.00973570@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 02:11:58 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s extant clothing (was: trim) In-Reply-To: <3cc9e27e.246c8a71@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, >This is in reply to Henk's reply. I was under the impression (please >read this as me being humble, not as me trying to say that I am right!) >that we had little or no extant clothing from the 1200s, and that most >of our surviving artwork from this time is in the form of >illuminations, so that we don't know whether people used trim on their >clothing. Actually, there is some extant clothing. I know Susan has already mentioned it but, they unearthed a number of things from some Spanish royal tombs. You can find photos and descriptions (in Spanish) of all these goodies (clothing, textiles, jewellery, hats, etc...) in a book called: "MUSEO DE TELAS MEDIEVALES Monastrio de Santa Maria La Real de Huelgas" By Concha Herrero Carretero copyright: Editorial Patrimonio Nacional Palacio Real de Madrid Balien, s/n. 28013 Madrid. Tel 248 74 04 Reservados todos los derechos. ISBN 84-7120-127-5 It lists a couple of addresses and phone numbers: Relaizacion e Impresion: Lunweg Editores, S.A. Beethoven, 12-08021 Barcelona. Tel 201 59 33 Manuel Silvela, - 12. 28010 Madrid. Tel 593 00 58 The book is wonderful and I would recommend it to ANYONE who is at all interested in historical garments. The only caution I would include is the fact that these styles are Spanish only and aren't in any representational of what was being worn anywhere else in Europe. The strong Moorish infulence is evident in the textiles. It is also interesting to note that in Spain sideless surcotes of the "gates of hell" variety were being worn almost 100 years before they would be seen in England. Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 03:19:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA13810 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 03:19:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id BAA08379; Fri, 14 May 1999 01:32:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id BAA16113 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 01:30:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id BAA16108 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 01:30:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([12.66.33.240]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990514072948.BAQM9796@LOCALNAME> for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 07:29:48 +0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Connie Carroll" Organization: Home For Deranged Bunnies To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 03:28:54 +0000 Subject: Re: H-COST: Unorthodox Shakespeare (was:Midsummer Night's Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.30) Message-Id: <19990514072948.BAQM9796@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Connie Carroll" I've never heard of this one, I'l have to try and find it. Thanks. Kassandra NickKraken > -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > > In a message dated 5/11/99 10:38:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > margo@directcon.net writes: > > << I just don't DO theater. >> > A scene painter friend of mine has a big sign on his bedroom wall: > Say no to Theatre > > Anyway...there's a video version of Midsummer done in 1965 or > thereabouts by the RSC. It's great! done modern dress [for 1965] > sorta....but it's the cast that still makes this a delight! > Lysander....David Warner Hermia....Helen Mirren Helena.....Diana > Rigg Puck....Ian Holm Titania...Judi Dench [green & bare breasted!] > Oberon.....Ian Richardson > > It was shot for TV & has no "special" special effects. Quite > primitive but remember "The play's the thing"! Rent it if you can > find it. > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with > the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME JUST CALL ME MISTRESS BUNNY _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 08:08:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16497 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 08:08:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA19304; Fri, 14 May 1999 06:20:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA10181 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 06:18:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpamgaab.compuserve.com (ah-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.217.153]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA10176 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 06:18:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamgaab.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.4) id IAA27108 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Fri, 14 May 1999 08:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:17:37 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Fancy to Plain C 13th C To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199905140817_MC2-75B9-3350@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id IAA16497 Status: O -Poster: Melanie Wilson >I see. Forgive me for getting confused here :-). For the 12th century (1100AD - 1200AD) trim is correct. 13th Century (1200s) it would not be correct. Basically it has a lot to do with the church & its influence, in that fancy stuff was seen as wicked, however if you look at literary evidence you still see church men complaining about the extravagances & vanities of women (including nuns )& men too but mainly women :~) Veils seem to have been particulary the item that everyone spent time & money on. Brooches as well were plentiful & a fitting gift, so I tend to see a more subtle decoration being used rather that decoration going completly. Of course place has a lot of influence too. Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 09:02:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17057 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 09:02:42 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA25887; Fri, 14 May 1999 07:15:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA16173 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 07:13:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA16162 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 07:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990514131332.RLGQ13558.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@c59303-a> for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 06:13:32 -0700 Message-ID: <003101be9e0b$d05039a0$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Medieval Update Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:01:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" Cannot read the black text. Try to make it a different color than the rich beautiful background. :) Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Penny Ladnier To: h-costume Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 11:12 PM Subject: H-COST: Medieval Update : :-Poster: "Penny Ladnier" : :I have updated the Medieval Image Links section to our Online Library, :http://www.costumegallery.com/Medieval.htm . I am really excited about some :of the manuscript images I have found on the web. The artwork is stunning! :Please let me personally know how you like them. I would also like to know :if you have found some links that show good costuming images from this time :span. : :Later...Penny :http://www.costumegallery.com : : _________________________________________________________________ : To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com : with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME : _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 09:28:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17262 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 09:28:34 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA28074; Fri, 14 May 1999 07:41:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA18988 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 07:39:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.85]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA18981 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 07:39:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP289.dialsprint.net [168.191.28.27]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA14206 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 06:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003201be9e0f$68ee5360$1b1cbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Fancy to Plain C 13th C Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:40:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! >-Poster: Melanie Wilson >Basically it has a lot to do with the church & its influence, in that fancy >stuff was seen as wicked, however if you look at literary evidence you >still see church men complaining about the extravagances & vanities of >women (including nuns )& men too but mainly women :~) Yes, but what do they complain about in the thirteenth century? Gowns which drag the floor. That appears again and again and again. Tells me that thirteenth century "fancy stuff" consisted of going nuts on the fabric. You do see a couple of mentions of veils and jewellery. And I should probably mention that it seems the Church (or rather, individuals within the Church, since the Church as a whole never made a statement about secular clothing) complained much about clothing, but that it had little effect on actual fashion. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 12:03:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18755 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:03:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA19500; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:16:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA16904 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:14:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from proxyb1-atm.san.rr.com (root@proxyb1-atm.san.rr.com [204.210.0.10]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA16881 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:14:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from san.rr.com (dt0a2n84.san.rr.com [204.210.45.132]) by proxyb1-atm.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04242 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 09:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <373C507B.965B3DE1@san.rr.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:34:03 -0700 From: Maria Fowler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: paper dolls References: <373A71AE.E15@netwiz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Maria Fowler I found the star wars paper dolls at both Target and Toys R Us _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 12:16:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18876 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:16:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA21889; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:29:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA19329 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:26:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lib.uttyl.edu (lib.uttyl.edu [192.88.13.225]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id KAA19267 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:26:28 -0600 (MDT) From: VICKI@lib.uttyl.edu Received: by lib.uttyl.edu for H-COSTUME@indra.com; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:27:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:27:01 -0500 To: H-COSTUME@indra.com Message-Id: <990514112701.346@lib.uttyl.edu> Subject: H-COST: late 1840's/early 1850's dresses Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: VICKI@lib.uttyl.edu I've been checking the dags on Ebay for examples of 1840's/1850's clothing. I've seen several examples of bodices with to-the-waist V neck openings, which are then filled with white chemisettes. These bodices are usually gauged to the center front waist, which is often pointed, then the gathers spread across the bosom. I have not had the opportunity of examining one of these dresses, so I have a few questions. 1) Is the gathered front mounted on a fitted lining? 2) Is this open-V bodice front or back opening? 3) what type of closures are used, and where? 4) what would the chemisette look like on its own, and how is it kept in place? Vicki Betts vbetts@gower.net vicki@lib.uttyl.edu _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 12:50:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19228 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:50:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA27365; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:03:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA25699 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA25681 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:01:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from best.com (lavolta.vip.best.com [206.86.95.234]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id JAA23118 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 09:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <373C5677.8F503EBE@best.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:59:35 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: late 1840's/early 1850's dresses References: <990514112701.346@lib.uttyl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lavolta Press > I've been checking the dags on Ebay for examples of 1840's/1850's clothing. > I've seen several examples of bodices with to-the-waist V neck openings, which > are then filled with white chemisettes. These bodices are usually gauged to > the center front waist, which is often pointed, then the gathers spread across > the bosom. I have not had the opportunity of examining one of these dresses, > so I have a few questions. 1) Is the gathered front mounted on a fitted > lining? 2) Is this open-V bodice front or back opening? 3) what type of > closures are used, and where? 4) what would the chemisette look like on its > own, and how is it kept in place? As it happens, I had one of these dresses in a pile of clothes I bought recently and have not had time to put away. It was sold to me as a wedding dress (which doesn't mean it was one, necessarily). It is an ivory brocade. The bodice is underlined in ivory silk (and the skirt is lined in a loosely woven, stiffened tan cotton or linen). It fastens in back with hooks and eyes. The bodice lining is closely fitted to the body. The front of the bodice (outer layer) is gauged from the waist point to the bottom of the blunt V opening, then fans out into unsewn (and currently unpressed) pleats to the shoulders. The gauging is sewn down to the lining with five horizontal rows of stitching above the waist point (there are 11 rows of the gauging itself). There is boning up the middle of the gauging from the waist point to the bottom of the V opening, and boning on either side of the V opening to about 3 1/2 inches above the opening (that is, 3 1/2 inches longer than the boning up the middle of the V). There are no fasteners on the sides of the V opening for fastening to the chemisette. If the V was pinned or basted to the chemisette, there are currently no holes visible to the naked eye that indicate this. As for the chemisettes, my memory is that Cunnington's _English Women's Clothing in the Nineteenth Century_ has pictures of some. This dress has narrow pagoda sleeves that would have required an undersleeve. I think that in this case the sleeves were sometimes attached to the chemisette, forming essentially a blouse, which would have stayed put on the body without pinning to the dress. Again, there is no indication on the V opening that it was fastened to a chemisette to keep either the chemisette or the V opening itself in place. Hope this helps, Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.best.com/~lavolta/index.htm Historic and vintage dance http://www.best.com/~lavolta/dance/index.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 13:24:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19567 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 13:24:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA03034; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:35:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA02046 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA02036 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from best.com (lavolta.vip.best.com [206.86.95.234]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id KAA10156 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <373C5E07.78E182D5@best.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:31:51 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: late 1840's/early 1850's dresses References: <990514112701.346@lib.uttyl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lavolta Press > I've been checking the dags on Ebay for examples of 1840's/1850's clothing. > I've seen several examples of bodices with to-the-waist V neck openings, which > are then filled with white chemisettes. These bodices are usually gauged to > the center front waist, which is often pointed, then the gathers spread across > the bosom. I have not had the opportunity of examining one of these dresses, > so I have a few questions. 1) Is the gathered front mounted on a fitted > lining? 2) Is this open-V bodice front or back opening? 3) what type of > closures are used, and where? 4) what would the chemisette look like on its > own, and how is it kept in place? > Actually, when I went to put the ivory brocade dress back I found another one from the same era in the pile, which may or may not have been worn with a chemisette. I can't tell. The dress is a silvery/lavender silk taffeta. The bodice is underlined with cream glazed cotton (and the skirt with brown). This dress fastens in front with hooks and eyes. The blunt V waist has 11 evenly spaced rows of gauging. It looks like they were adjusted first, then other rows of stitching were done along the gauging lines to fasten the outer bodice down to the lining. The gauging is about 4 inches deep, from the waist point up, and the last hook and eye is about 8 inches up from the waist point. There are no fasteners above that. There is a bone up the middle of the bodice and the gauging from the waist point to the last hook and eye (which, as said, is about 4 inches above the top of the gauging). Since the dress opens in front, this bone is on the right side, which is where the eyes are. There are also bones on either side of the gauging, slanting to extend all the way up the deep bust darts on the lining. The lining and outer bodice are not sewn together at all above the V (on the other dress the bodice was hemmed over the lining to the inside). However, they may have been at least basted together at some point and the stitching removed later. This dress is in good shape but more worn than the ivory one, and I can't tell without more detailed examination whether marks on it used to be stitching of the bodice to the lining, or something else. What I am getting at is, if the bodice was not stitched to the lining at the opening it may have simply been allowed to extend over the chest beyond the lining; but I can't tell. But to repeat, there are no fasteners on either the bodice or the lining above that last hook and eye 8 inches above the waist point. There is a very narrow rectangular lace collar basted around the neck which, if original, may indicate a chemisette was not worn, or, if it was, that it had no collar. Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.best.com/~lavolta/index.htm Historic and vintage dance http://www.best.com/~lavolta/dance/index.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 13:24:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19568 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 13:24:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA03466; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:37:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA02672 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:34:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id LAA02655 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:34:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.19.1.35] ([172.19.1.35]) by mail.cho.org; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:34:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990514072948.BAQM9796@LOCALNAME> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:33:24 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: H-COST: Unorthodox Shakespeare (was:Midsummer Night's Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lynn Downward >-Poster: "Connie Carroll" > >I've never heard of this one, I'l have to try and find it. >Thanks. > >Kassandra NickKraken > > >> -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com >> >> In a message dated 5/11/99 10:38:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >> margo@directcon.net writes: >> >> << I just don't DO theater. >> >> A scene painter friend of mine has a big sign on his bedroom wall: >> Say no to Theatre >> >> Anyway...there's a video version of Midsummer done in 1965 or >> thereabouts by the RSC. It's great! done modern dress [for 1965] >> sorta....but it's the cast that still makes this a delight! >> Lysander....David Warner Hermia....Helen Mirren Helena.....Diana >> Rigg Puck....Ian Holm Titania...Judi Dench [green & bare breasted!] >> Oberon.....Ian Richardson >> >> It was shot for TV & has no "special" special effects. Quite >> primitive but remember "The play's the thing"! Rent it if you can >> find it. I saw this when it was on PBS in 66-67 - at least I think this is the one. The timing is right and Diana Rigg was in it - that's why my father insisted we sit and watch it. Dad's not big on Shakespeare but he loves Mrs. Peel. Last year I found a copy of the tape at the store - Target or PayLess or something like that and bought it. I still haven't watched it, but my husband and daughter - Shakespeare fans both - thought it was primitive (their word too!). The tape was poorly done, they said. But *I* remember it as sterling and enchanting. I didn't even know any of those other people who have become so wonderfully famous. I remember Diana Rigg running through the forest chasing someone and thinking how weird it was that Mrs. Peel had to chase some guy! LynnD _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 13:37:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19674 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 13:37:33 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA06248; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:50:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA05288 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pentium.gower.net (pentium.gower.net [205.230.30.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id LAA05265 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:48:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gower.net(max-01-081.gower.net[207.78.73.81]) (1270 bytes) by pentium.gower.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:48:18 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.102 1998-Aug-2 #11 built 1998-Sep-26) Message-ID: <373C61A0.C69CE80@gower.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:47:13 -0500 From: Vicki Betts X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: late 1840's/early 1850's dresses References: <990514112701.346@lib.uttyl.edu> <373C5E07.78E182D5@best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Vicki Betts > There is a very narrow rectangular lace collar basted around the neck which, if > original, may indicate a chemisette was not worn, or, if it was, that it had no > collar. > > Fran Thanks for the descriptions! However, this last paragraph makes me think that perhaps we aren't thinking about the same type of dress, at least on this second one. If a chemisette was not worn with the open V neck shape that I'm thinking about--the woman would have a bare chest from just above her belly button up to her neck in the front. Here's an example, but the neckline isn't as low as I've seen some. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=103276981 Vicki Betts vbetts@gower.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 14:04:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19948 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:04:18 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA10513; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:17:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA09989 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:14:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA09962 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:14:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from best.com (lavolta.vip.best.com [206.86.95.234]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id LAA18505 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <373C679D.935472D7@best.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:12:45 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: late 1840's/early 1850's dresses References: <990514112701.346@lib.uttyl.edu> <373C5E07.78E182D5@best.com> <373C61A0.C69CE80@gower.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lavolta Press > > > Thanks for the descriptions! However, this last paragraph makes me think that perhaps > we aren't thinking about the same type of dress, at least on this second one. If a > chemisette was not worn with the open V neck shape that I'm thinking about--the woman > would have a bare chest from just above her belly button up to her neck in the front. > > Here's an example, but the neckline isn't as low as I've seen some. > Yes, that's the style, except both the dresses I described have narrow pagoda sleeves, and the area of gauging may be a bit narrower. The first dress I described has a deeper opening than in the picture and definitely would be indecent without a chemisette. I think the second dress, which would have a less deep V if worn open (more like the picture), may have been worn over a chemisette, and probably was unless there were some fasteners that have been removed. But the wearer's bust size would affect how far the front would extend, and with the opening I can't tell what that bust size would be. What I'm getting at is, I do not want to say the second dress was worn over a chemisette unless I know for sure. And I don't have time right now to put it on various size forms and test over chemisettes to see exactly how it was originally worn, whether it _had_ to be worn with a chemisette, and by what bust size person, etc. Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.best.com/~lavolta/index.htm Historic and vintage dance http://www.best.com/~lavolta/dance/index.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 15:28:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01679 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:28:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA02286; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:37:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA05820 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:34:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA05783 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:34:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990514203446.BSFS18849.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com>; Fri, 14 May 1999 13:34:46 -0700 Message-ID: <373C88E5.D16502@home.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:34:45 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Costumers@onelist.com" , "h-costume-digest@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: McCall's sale at Hancocks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kat & Kent Of course they will need modification but check out McCall's 2248 (men's doublet (w/yuky sleeves), cap, rolled hat, vest thing, belt & leggings and shirt); 2242 (4-18) and 2243 (18W - 32W) women's psudotudor (they separate the bodice & skirts totally), french hood, rolled hat, and shirt....and since Hancock's has McCall's on sale for $0.99 through the weekend (limit 5)....well, you can guess the rest! Kat who only went to buy a metallic thread needle...honest!! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 16:03:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02053 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:03:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA08280; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:13:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA12563 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:10:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA12536 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:10:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Schmitt100@aol.com Received: from Schmitt100@aol.com (8008) by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6MDYa02055 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 17:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <67b0d6be.246deab9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:08:09 EDT Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #315 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Schmitt100@aol.com In a message dated 5/14/99 3:36:08 PM Central Daylight Time, owner-h-costume-digest@indra.com writes: > Of course they will need modification but check out McCall's 2248 (men's > doublet (w/yuky sleeves), cap, rolled hat, vest thing, belt & leggings > and shirt); 2242 (4-18) and 2243 (18W - 32W) women's psudotudor (they > separate the bodice & skirts totally), french hood, rolled hat, and > shirt....and since Hancock's has McCall's on sale for $0.99 through the > weekend (limit 5)....well, you can guess the rest! I was disappointed that this was the only men's pattern that I could find in all of the pattern books for men. I would like to make an outfit for hubby for the Renn Faire this summer, but the above seemed to be for an earlier period than Elizabethan. Are there any other patterns for men for mid-late Elizabeth, or can you give me any hints on what to do with this pattern? I'm going to be picking up the women's Simplicity patterns this weekend ($0.99 at JoAnn's Sat & Sun) for myself. Rebecca _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 16:31:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02326 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:31:51 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA12435; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:41:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA17997 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:38:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.worldaccessnet.com (pvHSm1fJ7AewJM/SfEVs+9Z6EwwuEnjX@worldaccessnet.com [206.190.139.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id PAA17950 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:38:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vortex.worldaccessnet.com id m10iPfB-000dJhC; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:38:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail3.2.0.91#4) Received: from max3-24.worldaccessnet.com(206.190.132.28), claiming to be "sidne" via SMTP by worldaccessnet.com, id smtpdAAAa006hj; Fri May 14 14:38:20 1999 Message-ID: <004e01be9e52$2cb32f40$1c84bece@sidne> From: "Sidne Kneeland" To: References: <199905140135.VAA28192@smtp.snet.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:38:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sidne Kneeland" Greetings all, Forgive me for barging in here. I have read that the Saxon women, while among the best weaver's and embroider-ers in the land did not dress lavishly (maybe something to do with 'lay not your treasures where moth and dust ..'), as far as jewelry, etc. They did wear bright colors. Lessee, there is very little trim mentioned even for nobility through the 1350's. Source: 'Ancient Costumes of Great Britain and Ireland, From the Druids to the Tudors.' Ah, used book stores! Sidne _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 16:32:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02336 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:32:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA12702; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:42:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA18257 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:40:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (smtp5.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA18250 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:40:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (user-2iveirj.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.75.115]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA28859 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 17:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <018501be9e52$40fecd60$734bf7a5@pavilion> From: "Megan McHugh" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Polish gowns Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:39:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Megan McHugh" I followed the link for corset lacing and found this link: http://www.faires.com/roundtwo/DecoratedWarsawGown.htm she sells this gown as well as something called a Krakow gown. Does anyone have any documentation, sources or pictures of medieval Polish garb, men or women's? The catalog also mentions a zupan. Any help you could give would be appreciated. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 17:09:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02641 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 17:09:03 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA17290; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:18:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA24835 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:16:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.pacifier.com (root@smtp.pacifier.com [199.2.117.96]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA24811 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:15:57 -0600 (MDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip75.van21.pacifier.com [216.65.138.75]) by smtp.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA16969 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905142215.PAA16969@smtp.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:12:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: Back issues of Costume Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > Here's a question for anyone who knows: how much do back issues of > Costume (The Journal of the Costume Society) cost, and where can one get > them? The cost depends on a number of factors. I picked up several at a costume specific used book store in London. (A wonderful place in Enfield run by Felicity Warnes. I'm still trying to find my email address for her or I'd give it to you. She does mail order and lets people come to her bookshop by appointment.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 17:09:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02645 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 17:09:08 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA17317; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:18:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA24842 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:16:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.pacifier.com (root@smtp.pacifier.com [199.2.117.96]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA24819 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:15:58 -0600 (MDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip75.van21.pacifier.com [216.65.138.75]) by smtp.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA28181 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905142215.PAA28181@smtp.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:12:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: Medieval Congress Redux Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > and dress accessories in the Museum of London. (The latter had pictures > of two french hood frames and one gable hood wire frame). I was fortunate enough to get to actually see these in person less than a month ago at the Museum of London. I've been researching early 16th Century hats and headdresses and got to see all that the Museum of London had (although there might be some new stuff that is in Mr. Shephard's area which have not been catalogued yet.) As far as I know, they do not have any French hood frames. What they have looks more like gable frames. I'm hoping to be able to take some measurements on things like angles and the like off the slides I took. We laid the pieces on graph paper to photograph them and photographed them from many angles. (Upside down, side ways, back and front at least.) One of the frames is in a book called London Bodies (compiled by Alext Werner) that is currently on sale at the Museum of London. It was L6.95 and the ISBN is 0-904818-90-x. (I have this bad feeling that it cost more to ship it home than it actually cost.) You might be able to get it from amazon.co.uk (the UK branch of amazon.com.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 17:29:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02828 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 17:29:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA19563; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:39:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA28235 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:36:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA28229 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:36:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22722 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <373CA5C5.5D2BE77@serv.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:37:57 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Hi! References: <199905142215.PAA28181@smtp.pacifier.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover Wow, you're back! How exciting! I'll see you tomorrow for at least a little bit. Doing the challenge thing. It will probably take all summer to hear about your trip in dribs and drabs But, I *love* hearing about other peoples trips and looking at their pictures. :) Merouda -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 18:46:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03571 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:46:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA26738; Fri, 14 May 1999 17:55:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA08740 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 17:53:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA08734 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 17:53:13 -0600 (MDT) From: ArcadiaCB@aol.com Received: from ArcadiaCB@aol.com (8042) by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6SNNa16144 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 19:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1287ff57.246e113d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:52:29 EDT Subject: H-COST: 1840s & 1850's dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: ArcadiaCB@aol.com In reply to Vicki's post. I have 5 or 6 of these dresses in my collection-commonly referred to "fan-front" dresses. The ones from the 40's seem to have the more deeply pointed and gathered fronts. Some of mine open in the back and some in the front, (the front opening ones are the later ones with the fan shape coming to about the natural waist), fastened by hooks and eyes (one the inner lining of the front opening ones), with the gatthers spread and sewn as Fran had noted. On the earliest one--the 1840's back-opening with deeply pointed front, the V-neck only comes to about the top of the breast (I haven't checked the others,just happened to have the 1840's handy from a display I did a week ago and still haven't put back where it usually lives). The chemisette of the 19th century was sort of a super dickey--a wide front piece which would have covered most of the chest and a back piece as well, usually held in place by means of ties which run through a casing at the bottom, so they wou;dn't need to be sewn in or otherwise attached. For good examples (and sewing instructions) see Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion, Vol 1 1660--1860" which has 7 examples from c 1800--1860. For the later, less pointed version, with a high neck, Past Patterns had a pattern #801 "Fan-front bodice" (I don't see it on their web site now--I got mine about 10 or so years ago). Hope this helps. Charlene _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 19:48:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04146 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 19:48:34 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA01594; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:58:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA14926 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from menin.isd.net (menin.InnovSoftD.com [208.153.200.24]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA14909 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:55:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from amd (isd-du-208-238-141-184.isd.net [208.238.141.184]) by menin.isd.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA25734 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 19:55:00 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990514195503.00808980@pop.isd.net> X-Sender: cj@pop.isd.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:55:03 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: CJ Brunette Subject: H-COST: MN Renaissance Festival Fire Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: CJ Brunette Hi- I have been off the H-Costume list for some time - too busy - so forgive me if this is redundant. A couple people asked me about the aid fund for uninsured crafters who lost their buildings in the arson fire. I don't have their addresses any more, & thought others might be interested. Here is the url for the Phoenix Project, you can also see some very good pictures before & after the fire: http://members.tripod.com/projectphoenix/ No word on any arrests or police leads. --CarolJane in Minneapolis _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 20:59:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04809 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 20:59:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA08527; Fri, 14 May 1999 20:08:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA21279 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 20:05:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mole.slip.net (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA21268 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 20:05:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.182] (helo=default) by mole.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10iTpj-0004eJ-00; Fri, 14 May 1999 19:05:48 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:06:51 -0700 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: H-COST: Re: Garb : India : Saris In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" I cannot recall if this is the book that someone mentioned, but this one crossed my desk to catalog, and it's got a lot of info. in it. How to wear saris, the different styles and types of cloth by region...all kinds of detail. Carol / Gra/inne At 10:18 AM 5/14/99 -0700, you wrote: >LCCN: 95-1590 ISBN: 0810944618 : $24.98US LC Call No.: >GT1460.L95 1995 Dewey Decimal No.: 391/.2/0954 2 20 100 1 > Lynton, Linda. The sari : styles, patterns, history, >techniques / Linda Lynton ; photographs by Sanjay K. Singh. >New York : H.N. Abrams, c1995. 208 p. : ill. (some col.), >maps ; 32 cm. Includes bibliographical references (p. >202-203) and index. 1. Saris. I. Singh, Sanjay K. > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 14 22:56:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05871 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 22:56:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA19084; Fri, 14 May 1999 22:06:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA01540 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 22:03:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA01533 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 22:03:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from VAMP (a2a01770.direct.bconnected.net [209.53.2.42]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id AAA17435 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 00:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901be9e89$b4749540$0300a8c0@direct.ca> From: "Brandy Dickson" To: Subject: H-COST: Wooden Busks Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:16:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Brandy Dickson" Greetings to everyone on this list! I have a (what I consider) a rather obscure question.... I have found reference to a wood busk in Corsets and Crinolines (Norah Waugh) under the chapter "construction of corsets" ( page 154 in the souftbound editions) and was wondering if more information could be got on such things. As I seem to recall somewhere in this fog that I call a brain, they were often called Lover's Busks and were given to ladies by their lovers or husbands. What I am interested in is references, construction tips, samples, pics, notes, tips from people who have made them.... basically anything and all... since I can't find reference to them anywhere but in this book. Any directions that any of you fine people might be able to lead me in would be gratefully accepted.... Thank you, Desamona m.k.a. Brandy Dickson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 15 05:57:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA08777 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 05:57:24 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id FAA09504; Sat, 15 May 1999 05:07:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA08046 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 15 May 1999 05:04:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id FAA08034 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 05:04:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA11498.; Sat, 15 May 1999 12:08:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 15 May 1999 12:03:32 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 12:03:21 +0100 From: "KATE M BUNTING" To: Subject: H-COST: British jockey caps, c. 1774-1821 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id FAA08777 Status: O -Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" What I think of as jockey caps are sometimes seen in those 18th cent. (or pseudo 18th cent.) paintings of convivial groups of horsey gentlemen - also on grooms in some of Stubbs' horse portraits. They are similar to modern riding hard hats (as worn in Europe, at any rate) which are a more "domed" shape than baseball caps. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 15 07:25:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA09639 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 07:25:14 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA12820; Sat, 15 May 1999 06:35:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA12296 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 15 May 1999 06:33:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA12288 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 06:33:01 -0600 (MDT) From: AliaClaire@aol.com Received: from AliaClaire@aol.com (541) by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6DWNa16141 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 08:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 08:31:55 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Max Factor & MND To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 11 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AliaClaire@aol.com In a message dated 5/13/99 6:45:57 PM EST, penny.creative.outlets@pop.erols.com writes: > Max Factor has come out with a line of cosmetics to go with the film A > Midsummer Night's Dream. This is a collection inspired by the movie, and > designed by the film's makeup artist, Ronnie Specter. I picked up some of these, and I'm using them for the basis of my prom makeup. They're lovely pale, shimmy shades in a world infatuated with mauve and brown tones. -Alison (prom is TONIGHT!! AGH!) Stacy AliaClaire@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 15 09:41:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10948 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 09:41:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA22823; Sat, 15 May 1999 08:51:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA20985 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 15 May 1999 08:48:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dias.net (dias.net [199.170.176.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA20979 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 08:48:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ophelia@localhost) by dias.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA11000 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 10:03:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ophelia@dias.net) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 10:03:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "Sara J. Davitt" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: trim/embellishment for surcotes? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sara J. Davitt" if I remember right, it was peasant/herald piece of clothing.. more borderline apron than 'public wear'... and the only thing I have seen with them is VERy simple heraldic, if you are doing heraldic things... OR contrasting edging. *take a different fabric, and make a 3 inch edge... looks better than mini bias tapes* THough some people smooge it towards the viking side, and put big old brooches over each collarbone, and wear lots of jewelry. good luck! Sarahj **2Y's**UR**2Y's**UB**IC**UR**2Y's**4Me** _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 15 10:45:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11550 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 10:45:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA27150; Sat, 15 May 1999 09:56:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA26059 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 15 May 1999 09:53:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA26037 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 09:53:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26179 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 17:53:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp181-1.worldonline.nl [195.241.181.1]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18269 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 17:53:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905151553.RAA18269@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: trim/embellishment for surcotes? Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:38:48 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi, Susan asked: > This brings up a question: Where does the term "cyclas" come from? It > sounds Greek, but I've never run across it in use in literary references > about clothing (accounts books and the like, which do use "robe", > "cote/cotte/coat", "smock," and "shirt"--this is in England, though the > accounts are in Latin). Was it actually used in the 13th/early 14th century > to refer to a sleeveless surcote? Some costume books show a "cyclas" as > sort of a tabard for women, with open sides; the closest I've seen to this > is the scapular worn by some of the monastic orders, including some of the > women. This is a classic! Originally 'cyclat' or 'siglat' was a very expensive silk based cloth with metal (gold or silver) threads interwoven; a sort of early brocade, originating in the far and middle east (some came through Spain) and probably imported during the first 3 crusades. It was usually made into surcottes for the nobility and for spendthrift knights who, among other things, must have also used it for their 'jupons' or sleeveless coat of arms. The jupon of cyclat must have become known as simply a 'cyclat' or 'cyclas' and became for a short time (late 12th, early 13th c) a kind of sort-name. It is a.o. mentioned in a Tristan romance of this time. It is, in my experience, never used as a name for sleeveless surcottes for less rich people. In the French, German and Dutch language area this garment is always referred to as a 'so(r)quanie' or 'suckenie/y'. It was always made of wool and most times lined with linen or furs. The scapular was, according to my research, at first nothing but a kind of apron to prevent the habit becoming soiled while doing household or other messy tasks. It became an integral part of monk's and nun's costume about 1050-1100, still served it's purpose, but it was also worn when not performing he above mentioned tasks. There are pictures of monks with very stained and torn scapulars working in vineyards and in the ploughing field. Franciscans, who dressed very poorly, never wore these. Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 15 10:45:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11554 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 10:45:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA27198; Sat, 15 May 1999 09:56:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA26065 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 15 May 1999 09:53:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA26052 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 09:53:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26201 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 17:53:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp181-1.worldonline.nl [195.241.181.1]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18279 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 17:53:06 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905151553.RAA18279@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Fancy to Plain C 13th C Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:47:54 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi, Susan wrote: > And I should probably mention that it seems the Church (or rather, > individuals within the Church, since the Church as a whole never made a > statement about secular clothing) complained much about clothing, but that > it had little effect on actual fashion. Hear, hear! Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 15 10:45:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11558 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 10:45:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA27192; Sat, 15 May 1999 09:56:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA26061 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 15 May 1999 09:53:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA26045 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 09:53:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26193 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 17:53:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp181-1.worldonline.nl [195.241.181.1]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18275 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 17:53:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905151553.RAA18275@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:44:33 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi Listers, Gail wrote: > I was under the impression (please read > >this as me being humble, not as me trying to say that I am right!) that we > >had little or no extant clothing from the 1200s, and that most of our > >surviving artwork from this time is in the form of illuminations, so that > we > >don't know whether people used trim on their clothing. Likewise we don't > know > >whether they used much decorative embroidery. > To which Susan replied: > True enough, but some illumination--or rather, paintings--are really quite > detailed in what they do show. Statuary is another major source of > information. Some examples of statuary from this period show a lot of > detail in, for instance, the girdles or belts around the waists of the > subjects; others put a lot of detail in the headgear, or the brooches, but > fairly consistantly the clothing is shown either untrimmed or *perhaps* > trimmed with simple contrasting bands of cloth. I'm willing to go a step > further and posit simple embroidery patterns (perhaps just couched thread) > or tablet-woven braids, simply because we do have some evidence from earlier > periods that these were used. But the fact that they're not depicted in > great detail tends to make me think they were subtle, if they *were* there. I could not agree more. > I think Henk's point is that it's a tendency for us to want to gussy things > up with trim and such, and to assume that this was always done. Some of the > most authentically-medieval things I've seen out there accomplish this with > little or no trimming, but with well-chosen, beautifully-cut fabrics. > I don't know if you people out there ever get a chance to see people dressed up in good woollen and linen replica's of late 12th to early 14th c costume, but if you have or will, you'll be impressed by the simple elegance of this kind of dress, even for the lower classes. Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 15 11:24:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11945 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 11:24:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA29532; Sat, 15 May 1999 10:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA28854 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 15 May 1999 10:31:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dgs.dgsys.com (robin@dgs.dgsys.com [204.97.64.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA28848 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 10:31:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by dgs.dgsys.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA24532 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 12:31:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dgs.dgsys.com: robin owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 12:31:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim In-Reply-To: <199905151553.RAA18275@worldonline.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Robin Netherton On Sat, 15 May 1999, Henk 't Jong wrote: > I don't know if you people out there ever get a chance to see people > dressed up in good woollen and linen replica's of late 12th to early 14th c > costume, but if you have or will, you'll be impressed by the simple > elegance of this kind of dress, even for the lower classes. Well said! I wonder if much of the sense people have today that these clothes are drab/unattractive stems from the fact that so many people reproducing them have used the wrong fabric. I have seen many, many "generic tunics" made of cotton because it's cheap, readily available, and (presumably) comfortable. But cotton is *not* a suitable substitute for linen or wool -- it hangs and flows very differently, without the smooth draping and subtle "glow." And it wears much worse than medieval fibers, particularly after washing. I've found layered linen and wool (or, in the right time and place, a strong silk) to be more comfortable than cotton even in 90-degree heat, and it looks superb. I've noticed that hobbyist re-enactors first getting started -- particularly those who are not costumers -- often start out in a cotton tunic. It's cheap and easy to make, even for a beginning sewer, and in the SCA at least it's broadly accepted as "starter garb." Eventually (when people learn more and can spend more money) they typically "move up" to a more complex style and better fabrics. No wonder they think of the simple tunics as dull and undesirable. (And those discarded tunics end up in a loaner box, to be draped over the next new member...) --Robin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 15 13:29:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13054 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 13:29:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA07476; Sat, 15 May 1999 12:39:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA08544 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 15 May 1999 12:36:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.LCIA.COM (mail.scia.net [207.30.138.60]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA08526 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 12:36:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from woodenporch.com ([209.26.68.151]) by mail2.LCIA.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52462U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id COM for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 14:41:14 -0400 Message-ID: <373D86DA.3ACE37C1@woodenporch.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 14:38:36 +0000 From: Lois X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Costume and other book titles on Ebay References: <199905151553.JAA26098@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lois Hi all, I read in the last digest that someone was looking for Costume, Journal of the Costume Society of England. I have four copies listed on Ebay as well as two copies of Dress, Journal of the Costume Society of America. Bookmark me (books7) for a continuous listing of costume and fashion titles through the summer. http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=books7&sort=3&since=-1&page=1&rows=0 Some of the new listings from the last 2 days are below. They all need new homes so check them out for really great prices...... 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It is to my knowledge that stamping was period, but to what extent? I have seen garb being worn with the thin lines of "tulip" acrylic paint and I have a hard time with accepting it. Is this acceptable? Cheers! Caitrin England _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 15 15:30:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14226 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 15:30:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA17049; Sat, 15 May 1999 14:41:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA17602 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 15 May 1999 14:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.boston.juno.com (m2.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.199]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA17587 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 14:38:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from kayherb@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EAPGZUEU; Sat, 15 May 1999 16:37:04 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Wooden Busks Message-ID: <19981003.193849.5351.0.kayherb@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-14,16-20 From: "Kathryn L. Herb" Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 16:37:04 EDT Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Kathryn L. Herb" A little information from Karen Mullian ("Had on and Took with Her").... --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Booboopies@aol.com To: kayherb@juno.com Subject: Re: "Brandy Dickson" : H-COST: Wooden Busks Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 12:55:28 EDT Message-ID: Kay, Busks were often painted or carved and were indeed tokens of affection between a man and a woman. I don't know the degree of intimacy that was required for such gifts, but it seems to be somehow related to the carving of lovespoons which was common among the Welsh. Karen --------- End forwarded message ---------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 15 15:39:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14265 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 15:39:26 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA18034; Sat, 15 May 1999 14:50:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA18158 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 15 May 1999 14:47:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from server1.mich.com (root@server1.mich.com [198.108.16.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA18152 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 14:47:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raille (pm187-06.dialip.mich.net [198.110.44.16]) by server1.mich.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA19003 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 16:47:11 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990515165616.007ab470@onramp.i2k.com> X-Sender: alwen@onramp.i2k.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 16:56:16 -0400 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Lynn Carpenter Subject: H-COST: Sort of OT, yellowed silk? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lynn Carpenter Now that I'm pregnant and everything is too hot, I've been wearing my silk blouses more than my cotton ones. I have a white one my mom gave me about five years ago which has turned ivory. Is there a safe-for-silk way to whiten it, or should I just accept this color? And since I'll be having a baby in some three months, how about sources for 11th century (post Norman Invasion) baby/toddler clothes? (Boy's clothes, if the ultrasound is to be trusted.) Alwen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 15 19:34:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16643 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 19:34:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA05076; Sat, 15 May 1999 18:44:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA05276 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 15 May 1999 18:41:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA05264 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 18:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP203.dialsprint.net [168.191.27.115]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA00331 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 17:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001201be9f35$214055a0$731bbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 20:43:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" -Greetings! Henk said, >I don't know if you people out there ever get a chance to see people >dressed up in good woollen and linen replica's of late 12th to early 14th c >costume, but if you have or will, you'll be impressed by the simple >elegance of this kind of dress, even for the lower classes. I've just finished such a dress. It's a darkish green woolen material, with a gored construction (both front and side gores). I sewed the whole thing by hand, and I was really trying to duplicate that loose upper-sleeved, tight lower sleeved look of the thirteenth century (which I did via handsewn eyelets, which are laced with fingerloop-braided cord, from about an inch below the elbow down). Round neck, finished a la Museum of London (with a piece of ribbon--I used twill tape, since I had no silk ribbon) sewn down over the folded edge on the inside. No trim at all. It'll be worn with my existing handsewn linen smock. I'm extremely happy with the way it hangs, and I think I've finally got this particular look "right." It's probably the most authentic dress I've ever made, and it makes me want to go out and make *more*! Susan Carroll-Clark _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 15 20:48:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17378 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 20:48:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA10384; Sat, 15 May 1999 19:58:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA10460 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 15 May 1999 19:55:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA10451 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 19:55:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.121.19]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA23531 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 21:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <373E25D4.9AA0CA6F@mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:56:36 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST:Help with religious costume References: <199905151553.RAA18269@worldonline.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Janice Dallas Perhaps Henk or one of you others could help me out with some information concerning religious orders habit at the time of the French Revolution (1790's or so). I'm in an Opera Workshop scene from "Dialogue of the Carmelites"(surealistic, I hear) and will be costuming myself and two other women. When I did "Suor Angelica" I based my costumes on an illustration in a Dover book about historic costume. It showed Nuns in white dresses and wimples, with black tabards and veils. At the moment, I have a hard time getting to my library, as it is still packed away because of my move and subsequent messy renovation work. Can I go with the white habit again? We'll be performing in August without air-conditioning so I'll probably use a linen-type fabric (allergies to wool). Coments would be welcomed. I usually find out what is correct for the period, then adapt it to theater usage. Janice Dallas JaniceDals@mediaone.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 15 23:29:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18950 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:29:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA24552; Sat, 15 May 1999 22:40:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA22028 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 15 May 1999 22:37:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web4-1.ability.net (root@web4-1.ability.net [216.32.69.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA22022 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 22:37:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawkeswood.com (betsy.ability.net [216.32.69.235]) by web4-1.ability.net (8.9.1/8.9.1/Pub) with ESMTP id AAA24852; Sun, 16 May 1999 00:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <373E4AB2.835B33EF@hawkeswood.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:33:54 -0400 From: Betsy Delaney Organization: Hawkeswood Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ICG List , H-Costume List Subject: H-COST: [Fwd: Reconstructing Ancient Egyptian Costumes] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E0D32EFC6F4914667E8533C1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Betsy Delaney This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E0D32EFC6F4914667E8533C1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone help this poor soul out? I'm local, but I'm not sure what to tell him/her. Thanks! -betsy -- Betsy R. Delaney Webmistress at large ************************************************************************ betsy@hawkeswood.com or betsy@ability.net http://www.hawkeswood.com/, home of Hawkeswood Designs and http://www.Costume-Con.org/, home of Costume-ConNections (If you still have betsy@access.digex.net, change my address *NOW*!) ************************************************************************ --------------E0D32EFC6F4914667E8533C1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by web4-1.ability.net (8.9.1/8.9.1/Pub) with ESMTP id VAA21305 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 21:45:04 -0400 (EDT) From: BMihman@aol.com Received: from BMihman@aol.com (8026) by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id tMNLa24274 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 21:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57c486ac.246f7f8a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:55:22 EDT Subject: Reconstructing Ancient Egyptian Costumes To: betsy@hawkeswood.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 230 Dear Betsy, I am a dancer/choreographer who has created a 90 minute dance piece on the history and myths of Ancient Egypt. This production premiered in Berlin, Germany in 1996 where it was critically acclaimed by the press. Another German production took place in 1997. I am currently working on a new version of the piece with my dance company based in the Greater Washington area. (That's right, your back yard.) The past German productions of my work did not use my costuming research and I was quite dissatisfied with the results. I have been collecting information for years, visiting major Egytpian collections in Cairo, Berlin, and New York. I have designed several sets of costumes for the new production; they not only look right but can be danced in. Replicas of ancient Egyptian beaded collars and pectorals also augment the garments. We hope to purchase the appropriate wigs next month. So far, so good. But I have really hit an obstacle with the costumes for the dance of the priestesses. The garments are supposed to look like those tight fitting white linen dresses. Since linen wrinkles, we opted for a rayon/poly blend that holds its shapes, has a nice delayed line (so important in dance) and is fairly sheer -- especially when back lit. Now unless those Egyptians wore lycra, I cannot figure out how they managed to walk, let alone dance, in such tight dresses. (We are already using some Old Kingdom dance kilts in a couple of pieces.) Some artifacts show pleated dresses which would of course allow for a greater range of movement. But many depictions are simply sheath dresses. We could purchase pre-pleated fabric, but it is quite expensive and I must build at least eight costumes. I would love to simply kick around some ideas with others who are interested in costume reconstruction. I am not asking anyone to do my research for me. Perhaps you know someone in our area who would be interested in discussing this with me. Or maybe this period is too early for mainstream costumers. Any ideas? I appreciate your time for simply reading this inquiry. It would be wonderful if you could point me in the right direction. Many thanks, L.V. Gray --------------E0D32EFC6F4914667E8533C1-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 15 23:43:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19110 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:43:43 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA25594; Sat, 15 May 1999 22:54:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA22840 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 15 May 1999 22:51:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA22834 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 22:51:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP259.dialsprint.net [168.191.28.21]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA12738 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 21:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005f01be9f57$f9cebfc0$151cbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST:Help with religious costume Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:52:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" -Greetings! >Perhaps Henk or one of you others could help me out with some >information concerning religious orders habit at the time of the French >Revolution (1790's or so). I'm in an Opera Workshop scene from >"Dialogue of the Carmelites"(surealistic, I hear) and will be costuming >myself and two other women. When I did "Suor Angelica" I based my >costumes on an illustration in a Dover book about historic costume. It >showed Nuns in white dresses and wimples, with black tabards and veils. The specific garments and colors of nuns' dress varied from order to order, as it still does. The black veil (worn over a white one underneath) was usually typical of a "choir nun", while a lay sister generally only wore a white veil. The "tabard" you describe is called a scapular. Not all orders of nuns wore them, and they were not always black--Dominican nuns, for instance, wore white scapulars. I'm guessing what you have would be OK for a "generic nun." However, Davenport's _Book of Costume_ describes the habit of a Carmelite friar as consisting of a white cloak over a brown tunic. I know that at least with the Dominicans, the color schemes adopted by the affiliated orders of nuns were the same as those worn by the friars--e.g. Dominican friars also wore a white tunic and scapular (although they added the distinctive black cappa that gave them the name "Blackfriars") I'm also pretty sure the Carmelite nuns wear brown these days as well. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 16 01:54:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA20776 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 01:54:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id BAA04822; Sun, 16 May 1999 01:04:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id BAA00569 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 16 May 1999 01:01:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m16.boston.juno.com (m16.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.192]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id BAA00563 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 01:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EAQLN5XW; Sun, 16 May 1999 03:00:22 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: trim/embellishment for surcotes? Message-ID: <19990515.224158.4687.2.cley@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,10-15,17-41 From: cynthia j ley Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 03:00:22 EDT Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: cynthia j ley It's probably not period, but it does work from the aesthetic angle, and I've gotten tons of compliments on it, even from people who know their costuming far better than I ever will: Do a double trim. Use a double bias tape (the kind that has a fold straight down the middle) as the bottom layer, laying it across the armscye along the fold and sewing both front and back down. Then put a very fine trim on top of it, which picks up the color of the surcoat. The one I did this for is a dark forest green; I used a narrow deep brown bias tape, and put a delicate trim in gold with tiny bright green squares on top. It's very subtle and rich looking. Arlys On Sat, 15 May 1999 10:03:53 -0500 (CDT) "Sara J. Davitt" writes: > >-Poster: "Sara J. Davitt" > > >if I remember right, it was peasant/herald piece of clothing.. more >borderline apron than 'public wear'... and the only thing I have seen >with >them is VERy simple heraldic, if you are doing heraldic things... OR >contrasting edging. *take a different fabric, and make a 3 inch >edge... >looks better than mini bias tapes* > >THough some people smooge it towards the viking side, and put big old >brooches over each collarbone, and wear lots of jewelry. > >good luck! >Sarahj > >**2Y's**UR**2Y's**UB**IC**UR**2Y's**4Me** > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 16 03:29:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA20558 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 03:29:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id CAA11756; Sun, 16 May 1999 02:40:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA04537 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 16 May 1999 02:37:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpamgaab.compuserve.com (ah-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.217.153]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id CAA04531 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 02:37:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamgaab.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.4) id EAA08579 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Sun, 16 May 1999 04:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 04:36:24 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Church inspired fashion was Fancy to Plain C 13th C To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199905160436_MC2-75E3-5470@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id DAA20558 Status: O -Poster: Melanie Wilson > And I should probably mention that it seems the Church (or rather, > individuals within the Church, since the Church as a whole never made a > statement about secular clothing) complained much about clothing, but that > it had little effect on actual fashion. >Hear, hear! Don't take this as me having a go, but I'm really really baffled by this statement......... So the fact that women covered their hair after marriage was not connected in any way with marriage being a church orientated event ? In what way do you think the two events happen simultaniously (sp?) if the church had no influence of clothing and therefore fashion ????? They wore roseries purely because they liked them not because a rosery was connected with the Church ? It was mearly a fashion accessory ? The fashions that originally were brought back from the crusades were not connected with the church because the church in no way inspired the crusades in the first place ? And I though the crusades were inspired by religion ! Differences in the clothing of Jews another influence ? Even the wearing of things disapporved of by the Church can be seen as influenced by that disapproval, just by existing the Church had some influence & by being in such a prominant posistion in the social strata the influence would be pretty strong. The complaining may not have had directly any influence on fashion, ie in terms of laying laws or notice taken exactly to their complaints.But the Church was a hugh influence on society of the time and the effects of that were far reaching including clothing trends. Subtle in many ways, but the influence is certainly there, if you follow any fashion there are always certain political and social influences that bring about those trends, that is what makes fashion the way the world is going at that time, new fabrics from new lands, new ideas, ideals , other cultural influences previously unseen. Fashion is based on everything that happens withing a given frame & that that went before and is anticipated. I cannot see how you can possibily remove the Church from the equation so sweepingly. Not wishing to be difficult, but completly baffled by the statement ! Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 16 07:45:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA22872 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 07:45:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA21990; Sun, 16 May 1999 06:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA23629 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 16 May 1999 06:52:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA23624 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 06:52:16 -0600 (MDT) From: ArcadiaCB@aol.com Received: from ArcadiaCB@aol.com (4532) by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6IBTa02054 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 08:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55ba2954.2470195f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:51:43 EDT Subject: H-COST: Re: Wooden busks To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: ArcadiaCB@aol.com Since no one else has jumped in for a reply, I'll give a very untechincal reply on busks, according to my readings and knowledge of them. The busk is the front center stiffening piece of a corset. Varied in width and length (a nice long one could serve to flatten the tummy as well ). Many corsets had a busk casing in the center front where a removable busk could be inserted, then removed for cleaning the corset. Made of wood, ivory, steel, possibly very thick stiff leather. In the early 19th c "soft" unboned corsets, the busk might be the only real boning. The front center piece of a front hooking later style corset is still referred to as the busk. The "lover's busk" connotation comes from the fact that sometimes they were carved with designs, initials, etc., and given as lovers gifts (couldn't get much closer to a woman's heart than there). Often you will see lovely scrimshaw (whale ivory) ones that sailors carved while on sea journeys. In a modern context, I have a friend whose husband made a lovely wooden one for his wife for her to wear with her historical clothing. As for pics, the only one I think of any offhand, is showing a modern reproduction one--page 55 (section on stays and jumps) of Beth Gilgun's "Tidings from the 18th Century". A good place to look would be in a book on sailors art since they were often carved from scrimshaw. Every one in a while one will show up at an antique show (just saw one recently). To see "where" they go, refer to the c1598 stays in Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion 1560--1620" --the pattern has the casing in front for a busk to be slipped into. Also see "Revolution in Fashion 1715--1815" on page 103 showing 4 early 19th century soft corsets and that long center piece has a "busk" slipped into the busk casing of the corsets. If you are making one, when making the c1598 stays for someone, I used a paint paddle (that you get at a paint store for stirring paint) since it seemed about the right size. I bought a pretty (plain) wooden one from a sutler several years ago. Hope that sheds some light on the the subject. Charlene Bullard _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 16 09:21:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23796 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 09:21:30 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA28969; Sun, 16 May 1999 08:32:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA29007 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 16 May 1999 08:29:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id IAA28997 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 08:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 22961 invoked from network); 16 May 1999 14:23:10 -0000 Received: from 201.64.3-9.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (207.231.64.201) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 16 May 1999 14:23:10 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19990516072905.2a4f3d56@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: Church inspired fashion was Fancy to Plain C 13th C Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 04:36 AM 05/16/1999 -0400, Melanie Wilson wrote: > >-Poster: Melanie Wilson > >> And I should probably mention that it seems the Church (or rather, >> individuals within the Church, since the Church as a whole never made a >> statement about secular clothing) complained much about clothing, but >that >> it had little effect on actual fashion. > >>Hear, hear! > >Don't take this as me having a go, but I'm really really baffled by this >statement......... > >So the fact that women covered their hair after marriage was not connected >in any way with marriage being a church orientated event ? > >In what way do you think the two events happen simultaniously (sp?) if the >church had no influence of clothing and therefore fashion ????? Women covering their hair after marraige was something adopted from the general culture, not something required _de novo_ by the Church. And one of the problems the Church had for *many* centuries was trying to convince people to be married by a priest. Marriage is and has been a primarily civil contract between the two parties (and their families). >They wore roseries purely because they liked them not because a rosery was >connected with the Church ? It was mearly a fashion accessory ? Rosaries are one way to show one's piety; the styles of rosaries have change through the centuries. It is sometimes hard to tell if a string of beads is a rosary or a bracelet or a necklace. In Europe after the Reformation, rosaries could be used to make political statements as much as religious ones. People in many cultures around the world use a string of beads to aid recall or counting of prayers. >The fashions that originally were brought back from the crusades were not >connected with the church because the church in no way inspired the >crusades in the first place ? And I though the crusades were inspired by >religion ! While the crusades may have been originally inspired by religion, for many of the participants they were opportunities for plunder of various sorts. People brought back ideas (and actual items) for clothing because they liked them, not because the Church encouraged them. >Differences in the clothing of Jews another influence ? The "distinctive" clothing of Jews in many parts of Europe were decreed by the civil, not religious, authorities. If you remove the decreed distinctions (odd-looking hat, badge on clothing, etc.), Jews dressed pretty much like their Christian neighbors. And in countries without decreed distinctions, you would need to know some of the more subtle cultural clues to tell Jews from Christians. So, while the *idea* of trying to make Jews easy to tell from Christians may have originated with the Church, the actual decrees requiring some "difference" and defining it came from the civil authorities. >Even the wearing of things disapporved of by the Church can be seen as >influenced by that disapproval, just by existing the Church had some >influence & by being in such a prominant posistion in the social strata the >influence would be pretty strong. One problem the Church had in trying to influence European clothing styles came from the fact that the upper ruling classes typically ignored their complaints (hasn't changed much ), even when they were threatened with eternal damnation for wearing a particular style. >The complaining may not have had directly any influence on fashion, ie in >terms of laying laws or notice taken exactly to their complaints.But the >Church was a hugh influence on society of the time and the effects of that >were far reaching including clothing trends. Subtle in many ways, but the >influence is certainly there, if you follow any fashion there are always >certain political and social influences that bring about those trends, that >is what makes fashion the way the world is going at that time, new fabrics >from new lands, new ideas, ideals , other cultural influences previously >unseen. Fashion is based on everything that happens withing a given frame & >that that went before and is anticipated. > >I cannot see how you can possibily remove the Church from the equation so >sweepingly. > >Not wishing to be difficult, but completly baffled by the statement ! > >Mel As you state, there are *many* influences on fashions, and, during its period of greatest influence in Europe, the Roman Church may have had a small influence on some people in this regard, but I would not assign it a major role. Preachers usually railed against anything *new* and supported "the good old days"; this does not, to my mind, translate into great influence. It's the same sort of argument about "the younger generation is corrupt and society was better when I was young" that *every* generation has heard for millenia . Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 16 09:43:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24009 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 09:43:09 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA00493; Sun, 16 May 1999 08:54:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA00583 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 16 May 1999 08:50:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA00567 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 08:50:51 -0600 (MDT) From: SAQUEEN@aol.com Received: from SAQUEEN@aol.com (7818) by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6RNDa03428 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 10:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8458fa7.24703529@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:50:17 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Wooden busks To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com Charlene and List, Wooden rulers work really well for 1770s stays -- of course depending on how long your front line is. Just pull out that metal edge! Of the many 18th century stays that I've seen, very few have busk pockets or evidence of busk restraints. Gravity held in place? Any thoughts? Sally http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com Calendar 2000: Historic Fashions Turning the Centuries Available June 1, 1999 _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 16 10:23:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24407 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 10:23:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA06076; Sun, 16 May 1999 09:34:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA03071 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 16 May 1999 09:31:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA03066 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 09:31:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP309.dialsprint.net [168.191.28.47]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA01129 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 08:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001401be9fb1$65c21ac0$2f1cbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Church inspired fashion was Fancy to Plain C 13th C Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 11:32:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! First of all, I apologize for the original statement. It seems I was not clear enough. I thought when I was saying "The Church had little effect on actual fashion, " I was referring to the evolution of everyday wear, and the Church's inability to regulate it. For instance, I've read accounts of clergy attacking everything from skirts which drag the ground to colored veils to revealing surcotes to pointy-toed shoes. Did people stop wearing these things because someone in the Church complained? No. Various clergy often complained about brightly-colored fabrics, and the vanity and pride exhibited by those who wore them. Did people stop wearing them as a result? No. Did the Church write these strictures into canon law? No. Were they part of any official doctrine? No. That means that any advice about clothing by clergy was really only a suggestion of proper behavior. It's a far different thing to claim that the Church--or better yet, religious piety as a whole (which is a different thing from "the Church") had *no* influence on clothing (rather than "fashion," as I said earlier), and I was doing no such thing. >So the fact that women covered their hair after marriage was not connected >in any way with marriage being a church orientated event ? Yes and no. First, through most of the early Middle Ages and even into the later Middle Ages, marriage, although recognized as a sacrament of the Church in the twelfth century, was as much, or more, a cultural phenomenom. Most marriages did not happen in churches (one traditional place in England was "at the church door"--the church fulfilled the function of a city hall in many parishes. There was a requirement for witnesses, but not even for a priest at first. ) Yes, there is Biblical precedent for women covering their hair after marriage. But that doesn't completely explain it. Veils and headgear clearly became items of fashion as well. If they were purely religious in function, you would expect little change over two millenia. >In what way do you think the two events happen simultaniously (sp?) if the >church had no influence of clothing and therefore fashion ????? Have you read exactly what regulations the Church put on clothing for secular people? There were very, very few. For instance, I've yet to come across a church writer of the Middle Ages castigating a married woman for not covering her hair. I've yet to come across strictures in canon law about fashion or dress for anyone other than religious (priests, monks, nuns). Almost all of the complaints about fashion are made within the context of moral treatises--usually by individual clergy (not bishops or the Pope)--about how society is going to rack and ruin, and here's some examples from the world of fashion to back them up. >They wore roseries purely because they liked them not because a rosery was >connected with the Church ? It was mearly a fashion accessory ? The Rosary was a lay devotion. Of course, the Church liked to encourage lay piety, but very quickly, the production of rosaries acquired very strong secular overtones. You don't need a rosary of precious stones, or with tremendously-detailed carved beads which open to reveal a scene, to do the devotion. In fact, you don't need a rosary at all--it merely helps you keep count. A string with knots in it works just as well. >The fashions that originally were brought back from the crusades were not >connected with the church because the church in no way inspired the >crusades in the first place ? And I though the crusades were inspired by >religion ! Wait a minute. You're seriously claiming that the economic effects of the Crusades had to do with "the Church"? Did the Church require Crusaders to bring back fabrics? Yes, there's a very long string of cause-and-effect at work, but claiming that the Church was responsible for changes in fashion due to the Crusades is a mighty big stretch in logic. >Differences in the clothing of Jews another influence ? Almost every rule requiring Jews to wear distinctive clothing is a secular one, which is why the requirements differ from place to place. Did religious beliefs about the Jews inspire this? Yes, certainly. Were they promulgated by "the Church"? For the most part, no. >Even the wearing of things disapporved of by the Church can be seen as >influenced by that disapproval, just by existing the Church had some >influence & by being in such a prominant posistion in the social strata the >influence would be pretty strong. I guess my quibble is with use of the term "the Church." Again, I'm coming from a specialist background (defending my dissertation on a topic regarding religious education this week), but "the Church" to me implies policy at a high level. I repeat, there was little or no policy at a high level concerning secular clothing. A good comparison would be this: suppose a high school institutes a requirement for uniforms for their students. Would you then say "The Schools" had instituted such a requirement, or would you credit it to an individual school? "The Church" works the same way. There is a lot of local variance, a lot of disagreement amongst clergy on items outside canon law, and even on some matters of doctrine. This is not to discount the importance of religion in lay society--far from it. Religion underlay much of medieval society. It's merely to point out that this control was as often as not at the local level, and laypeople had a lot more influence in it than is commonly thought. The mistake is confusing medieval religion with "the Church," when it's so much more than that, and so much more complicated. >The complaining may not have had directly any influence on fashion, ie in >terms of laying laws or notice taken exactly to their complaints.But the >Church was a hugh influence on society of the time and the effects of that >were far reaching including clothing trends. >I cannot see how you can possibily remove the Church from the equation so >sweepingly. You misunderstand me vastly, and I apologize for being so obtuse in my statements. I would heartily agree that RELIGION was a huge influence on society at the time. I would not say "the Church,"--at least in the case of fashion (politics is another matter altogether :-) because that implies control on a level at which it did not exist. When you change "the Church" to "religion," the statement becomes accurate, and you also allow for laypeople to make modifications or changes to clothing or behavior because of personal religious piety, not simply because someone else says they have to. You also allow for local variation. Do you see the difference? It may be semantics, and I may be nitpicking, I agree. But the nature of lay piety is often very poorly understood, especially the fact that they were often the ones who controlled the nature of their piety, not churchmen. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 16 12:32:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25588 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 12:32:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA16890; Sun, 16 May 1999 11:43:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA12222 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 16 May 1999 11:39:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA12206 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 11:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00111 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 19:39:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp181-34.worldonline.nl [195.241.181.34]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA13871 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 19:39:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905161739.TAA13871@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST:Help with religious costume Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 19:39:01 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi list, Janice wrote: > Perhaps Henk or one of you others could help me out with some > information concerning religious orders habit at the time of the French > Revolution (1790's or so). I'm in an Opera Workshop scene from > "Dialogue of the Carmelites"(surealistic, I hear) and will be costuming > myself and two other women. When I did "Suor Angelica" I based my > costumes on an illustration in a Dover book about historic costume. It > showed Nuns in white dresses and wimples, with black tabards and veils. > At the moment, I have a hard time getting to my library, as it is still > packed away because of my move and subsequent messy renovation work. > Can I go with the white habit again? We'll be performing in August > without air-conditioning so I'll probably use a linen-type fabric > (allergies to wool). Coments would be welcomed. I usually find out > what is correct for the period, then adapt it to theater usage. It's a bit far out of my period, but Carmelites wore brown habits, hoods and scapulars, with white mantles at ceremonial or official occasions. So white habits are out. I have no pictures of Carmelite nuns, so I could not tell you what kind of headcovering they wore; it should at least be a white wimple, but if the veil over it was black or brown I don't know. Anybody else? If you cannot stand real woollen garments, try to get worsted. It is wool as well, but not as heavy and itchy, and it drapes well. Incidentally; the brown should not be too dark. Hope this helps, Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 16 12:33:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25595 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 12:33:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA16985; Sun, 16 May 1999 11:44:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA12362 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 16 May 1999 11:41:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA12355 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 11:41:16 -0600 (MDT) From: snowfire@mail.snet.net Received: from [204.60.10.205] (hrfr-sh6-port205.snet.net [204.60.10.205]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with SMTP id NAA18603 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905161741.NAA18603@smtp.snet.net> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:39:42 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: Church inspired fashion was Fancy to Plain C 13th C To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001401be9fb1$65c21ac0$2f1cbfa8@dsc> X-Mailer: SPRYNET Mail 32-Bit Mail Version: 05.00.06.72 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: snowfire@mail.snet.net -Poster: Elysant >Did the Church write these strictures into canon law? No. Were they part >of any official doctrine? No. That means that any advice about clothing by >clergy was really only a suggestion of proper behavior. I have a couple of comments and questions here. :-) I was born and raised in Britain, and up until about 15 years ago, it was frowned upon for women not to wear something covering their heads (hat, anything) to go to church (C of E). It certainly seemed to be related to being in church rather than because of fashion. It's relaxed a lot over the past two decades, but older ladies still do it. On the other hand, men are supposed to take their hats off in church (again usually older gents these days), and thirdly, when we used to go into church on Armastice day each November with the Girl Scouts, we wern't allowed to wear any knives in the house of God. Our community in Wales is a VERY old and static one. Around the church are 5 yew trees to keep away the evil spirits, for instance, and part of the wall of the church has Roman grave stones found at the site built into it. I somehow think the practices regarding women covering their heads are remnants of what has been maintained through Christian history there, (incidentally as is the old almost died out practice of widows wearing navy blue from the deaths of their husbands until their own death). Again I think that women covering their heads has more of a religious basis than fashion. :-) >>The fashions that originally were brought back from the crusades were not >>connected with the church because the church in no way inspired the >>crusades in the first place ? And I though the crusades were inspired by >>religion ! >Wait a minute. You're seriously claiming that the economic effects of the >Crusades had to do with "the Church"? Did the Church require Crusaders to >bring back fabrics? Yes, there's a very long string of cause-and-effect at >work, but claiming that the Church was responsible for changes in fashion >due to the Crusades is a mighty big stretch in logic. In Britain, again, there has always been an awe of the exotic and different. Whether it was because of snobbery, status, or sheer imagination, things from other countries are and always have embraced and exhalted over. It makes sense that the Crusade would have become a vehicle, despite the original eason for their being, (religious, economical, power whatever) which allowed more exotic and foreign ideas and resources to come into Britain by means of the many travellers to and from the wars and the increased exposure to the resources my many gentles from Europe having to live in that part of the world for that period in time. I think that in an age where we have such instant communication and knowledge available to us, sometimes we tend to forget how in times past people could only experience things by doing and being and learning for themselves at the time (except by stories from others!). ;-) I'm sure, for instance, that even though trade routes were established, and various exotic things were available to the British before the Crusades ever got underway, to the actual soldiers/people who went over there, stayed and came home, and the things they found there such as fabrics, spices, foods, fashions were different and often awesome to them and the exposure of Britain to such things was duly increased by the personal bringing home of the stories and objects by the Crusaders to their folks and homes. And I can see how this influence very well could have a profound effect on fashion. Also, I know that ladies who'd husbands were away, for instance, were apt to wear chemises that were longer bigger versions of those the husband wore while away at war (often in a Saffron colour I believe? - Please correct me on this, I'm half remembering it) as a symbol of their connectedness to their Lord Husband. Having spouted all of this (I know I"m rambling a bit but I havn't had my coffee yet!) I have two questions. 1. What clothing / fashion/ style changes DID we see from the infuence of the Crusades, and 2. The Plague. What effect did the plague and the relief after the Plague was over have on fashion? I hear it was one of the causes of the more frivolous styles that emerged in that period? Anyone? Elysant de Holtham PS >suppose a >high school institutes a requirement for uniforms for their students. Would >you then say "The Schools" had instituted such a requirement, or would you >credit it to an individual school? ummmm..... In Britain, public schools wear uniforms because goverment education authority for a part of the country has established that - not each individual school. Each school may decide on different uniforms, but the decision to wear them or not is far more centrally organized. I suppose with this issue it's the country and context you're talking about that counts, and there are differences in this concept between Britain and the US. (It was Britain the original poster was referencing?) (Another example of central control of what people wear in certain contexts is when I was in Nursing school (government run)in Britain, I wore the Student Nurse uniform (yellow) which was standard for all of South Wales. I was given an issue of 10 of them by the hospital. It wasn't up to the hospital to make policy on what we wore. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 16 13:36:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26149 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:36:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA25192; Sun, 16 May 1999 12:45:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA16817 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 16 May 1999 12:42:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA16812 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 12:42:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP209.dialsprint.net [168.191.27.121]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA04029 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 11:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000c01be9fcc$02702000$791bbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Church inspired fashion was Fancy to Plain C 13th C Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 14:43:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" -Greetings! >I was born and raised in Britain, and up until about 15 years ago, it was >frowned upon for women not to wear something covering their heads (hat, >anything) to go to church (C of E). It certainly seemed to be related to >being in church rather than because of fashion. It's relaxed a lot over the >past two decades, but older ladies still do it. Yes, this specifically relates to a clothing item worn *in* church. That's a different kettle of fish altogether (and not completely church-specific, as you've pointed out.). It's usually understood that "in the Middle Ages, married women covered thier hair" not just in church, but all the time. >I somehow think the practices regarding women covering their heads are >remnants of what has been maintained through Christian history there, >(incidentally as is the old almost died out practice of widows wearing navy >blue from the deaths of their husbands until their own death). Again I think >that women covering their heads has more of a religious basis than fashion. >:-) Mourning clothes are also not something which were stipulated by religion, but by cultural tradition. Look, for instance, at Catholic countries today. I know that many Portuguese ladies (especially from rural areas) still maintain the tradition of black clothes in widowhood. Compare that to France, or to the Catholic areas of Germany, where it's almost entirely absent. That tells me that mourning traditions are cultural, not religious, although they may indeed be linked to religion. The same goes for traditions of honor. Men in the U.S. normally take off hats when the National Anthem is played, for instance, regardless of religious beliefs, as a symbol of respect. I believe the same premise underlies the tradition of tipping one's hat to a lady. The practice certainly may have started as a religious one, but now, it's gone far beyond that. >In Britain, again, there has always been an awe of the exotic and different. >Whether it was because of snobbery, status, or sheer imagination, things from >other countries are and always have embraced and exhalted over. It makes >sense that the Crusade would have become a vehicle, despite the original >eason for their being, (religious, economical, power whatever) which allowed >more exotic and foreign ideas and resources to come into Britain by means of >the many travellers to and from the wars and the increased exposure to the >resources my many gentles from Europe having to live in that part of the >world for that period in time. Oh, I'm not disputing the idea of the Crusades as a medium for conveying new ideas--that's well documented in about every field from medicine to fashion. My quibble is with the idea that because the Crusades originally had a religious motivation, you can credit "the Church" with all of these new ideas. >Also, I know that ladies who'd husbands were away, for instance, were apt to >wear chemises that were longer bigger versions of those the husband wore >while away at war (often in a Saffron colour I believe? - Please correct me >on this, I'm half remembering it) as a symbol of their connectedness to their >Lord Husband. This is one I haven't run across, and I'd love to hear more--time period? Class? Is it mentioned in any contemporary documents? >1. What clothing / fashion/ style changes DID we see from the infuence of >the Crusades, and Surcotes are a possibility. They may have been developed to keep the dust off of armor in the Holy Lands and spread to civilian wear--first to men, then to women. >ummmm..... In Britain, public schools wear uniforms because goverment >education authority for a part of the country has established that - not each >individual school. Each school may decide on different uniforms, but the >decision to wear them or not is far more centrally organized. I suppose with >this issue it's the country and context you're talking about that counts, and >there are differences in this concept between Britain and the US. (It was >Britain the original poster was referencing?) I wrote the bit about "the Schools," and I was referring to US public schools. But even so, my example is still good. In Britain, would you say "the Schools" require that girls wear a plaid skirt, white blouse, and red vest/waistcoat, if that's not what's required on a national or regional level? Or would you qualify it by saying "All schools in East Anglia wear such and such kinds of uniforms"? That's what I'm getting at with not using "the Church", because precisely that kind of variation exists within it, which may have a root in local culture. Widows in Portugal don't wear black because the Church requires it; they wear it because it's part of their culture and a sign of respect. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 16 13:59:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26354 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:59:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA27824; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA18691 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:05:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA18686 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:05:53 -0600 (MDT) From: snowfire@mail.snet.net Received: from [204.60.12.165] (hrfr-sh11-port165.snet.net [204.60.12.165]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with SMTP id PAA00222 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 15:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905161905.PAA00222@smtp.snet.net> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:04:20 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: Church inspired fashion was Fancy to Plain C 13th C To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000c01be9fcc$02702000$791bbfa8@dsc> X-Mailer: SPRYNET Mail 32-Bit Mail Version: 05.00.06.72 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: snowfire@mail.snet.net -Poster: Elysant >Yes, this specifically relates to a clothing item worn *in* church. That's >a different kettle of fish altogether (and not completely church-specific, >as you've pointed out.). It's usually understood that "in the Middle Ages, >married women covered thier hair" not just in church, but all the time. So it's sorting out what's custom and what's religious then. >Oh, I'm not disputing the idea of the Crusades as a medium for conveying new >ideas--that's well documented in about every field from medicine to fashion. >My quibble is with the idea that because the Crusades originally had a >religious motivation, you can credit "the Church" with all of these new >ideas. I agree with that. I don't think the Church can be credited with such things. >>Also, I know that ladies who'd husbands were away, for instance, were apt >to >>wear chemises that were longer bigger versions of those the husband wore >>while away at war (often in a Saffron colour I believe? - Please correct me >>on this, I'm half remembering it) as a symbol of their connectedness to >their >>Lord Husband. > > >This is one I haven't run across, and I'd love to hear more--time period? >Class? Is it mentioned in any contemporary documents? I sw it on a web page. I'd have to do a search for it again. I'll let you know whan I find it. >>1. What clothing / fashion/ style changes DID we see from the infuence of >>the Crusades, and >Surcotes are a possibility. They may have been developed to keep the dust >off of armor in the Holy Lands and spread to civilian wear--first to men, >then to women. Interesting isn't it? >I wrote the bit about "the Schools," and I was referring to US public >schools. But even so, my example is still good. In Britain, would you say >"the Schools" require that girls wear a plaid skirt, white blouse, and red >vest/waistcoat, if that's not what's required on a national or regional >level? No you'd say the specific regional board of education rules are - uniform. The schools rules are what is the uniform for that school. The regional board would have no say in that. I understand :-) Elysant _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 16 14:13:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA26520 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 14:13:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA29619; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:24:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA19796 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:21:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA19791 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:21:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-61-176.s176.tnt1.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.61.176]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA20193 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 15:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005d01be9fd1$54bce780$104faccf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Adrian Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:21:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0059_01BE9FAF.CB5FD0E0" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BE9FAF.CB5FD0E0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_005A_01BE9FAF.CB5FD0E0" ------=_NextPart_001_005A_01BE9FAF.CB5FD0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can someone please help this person. Please respond back to the Jerry, = quickdrop@quickdrop.com .=20 Later...Penny >I am looking for information regarding an original drawing that I have = by Adrian. >The drawings are in pencil and water color on a piece of 9" by 17 1/2" = old tan colored (bumpy) paper. >The drawings are for "Madame Su Duchesse d'ayeu" (sp?) on the left. >and for "Madame de Saint Paul" on the right. they are facing each = other.=20 >The drawing is signed and has 2-3 dozen various water color paint drips = (small in size) on it. > >We would like to do a collage, but are not sure which movie these = designs were for. >Can you point me in the right direction? Do you have any idea what the = drawing may be worth? >It is in excellent condition. > >Jerry Kelley, webmaster quickdrop@quickdrop.com ------=_NextPart_001_005A_01BE9FAF.CB5FD0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can someone please help this = person. =20 Please respond back to the Jerry, quickdrop@quickdrop.com=20 . 
 
Later...Penny
 
>I am looking for information regarding an = original drawing=20 that I have by Adrian.
 
>The drawings are in pencil and water color on a = piece of=20 9" by 17 1/2" old tan colored (bumpy) paper.
>The drawings are for "Madame Su Duchesse = d'ayeu"=20 (sp?) on the left.
>and for "Madame de Saint Paul" on the = right.=20 they are facing each other.
>The drawing is signed and has 2-3 dozen various = water=20 color paint drips (small in size) on it.
>
>We would like to do a collage, but are not sure = which=20 movie these designs were for.
>Can you point me in the right direction? Do you = have any=20 idea what the drawing may be worth?
>It is in excellent condition.
>
>Jerry Kelley, webmaster
quickdrop@quickdrop.com
 
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Lyon # = 11=3D0D=3D0A=3D0D=3D0A=3D0D=3D0AHemet, CA 92543=3D0D=3D0AUnited States X-WAB-GENDER:2 URL:http://www.quickdrop.com URL:http://www.quickdrop.com EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:quickdrop@quickdrop.com REV:19990516T190420Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BE9FAF.CB5FD0E0-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 16 15:33:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27323 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 15:33:00 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA08048; Sun, 16 May 1999 14:41:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA25894 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 16 May 1999 14:38:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA25881 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 14:38:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from kimberlykdobbs@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id EAR3EWE5; Sun, 16 May 1999 16:37:16 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:43:54 -0500 Subject: H-COST: Flowers & Dyeing Message-ID: <19990516.154354.-439275.2.kimberlykdobbs@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,13-14,17-24 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kimberly K Dobbs Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kimberly K Dobbs Hello everyone! I have a couple of questions! 1. I am currently attempting to make silk flowers such as the ones featured in Victoria magazine, etc. Does anyone know where to purchase or how to make the tools to crimp and curl the edges? I have searched for the information but nothing has turned up. 2. I am also dyeing my fabrics for a variety of projects, such as the flowers, purses, etc. What types of natural substances could be used to achieve the following colors: red, yellow, green, pink, lilac. Thank you in advance for any information! Kimberly _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 16 17:20:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA28384 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 17:20:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA17357; Sun, 16 May 1999 16:33:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA05537 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 16 May 1999 16:29:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.pacifier.com (root@smtp.pacifier.com [199.2.117.96]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA05531 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 16:29:37 -0600 (MDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip80.van21.pacifier.com [216.65.138.80]) by smtp.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA20942 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 15:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905162229.PAA20942@smtp.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:25:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: fabric paints Priority: normal In-reply-to: <722ec258.246f3220@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > I am sure this has been tossed around before, but being new to the list, I > have a question in regards to fabric painting on material being period before > the 1600's. Sure is. > It is to my knowledge that stamping was period, but to what extent? I have > seen garb being worn with the thin lines of "tulip" acrylic paint and I have > a hard time with accepting it. Is this acceptable? You have an advantage over many people on the list in that you live in Britain. If you get the chance to be in London, go to the textile rooms in the V&A and start pulling out the trays in the time period you are interested. In the section of "printed fabrics" for pre1600, there some pretty interesting pieces. There was one fairly early one (?14th or 15th Century, but my notes are still in the depths of my as yet to be unpacked suitcase) of a dark red fabric which had had gum arabic painted on in a flor de lis pattern and gold leaf applied. They had other pieces where paint had been used (and this was before they started using large stamps which imitated the brocades of the time.) Those seemed to be 15th and 16th century.One reference book you might look for is Stuart Robinson's (sp?) History of Printed Textiles. You might find it in the library but I also saw several copies when I was shopping along Charing Cross in London. (I didn't get it because I already had one. No use getting 2, especially with the cost of shipping from England to the US!) As far as tulip paints, I have never seen anything similar to that. However, acrylic paint put on with a roller, stamp or paintbrush I could accept. Some of what is listed as "stamped" in the textiles I saw there and one of the other museums I visited (? Nottingham's Costume and Textile Museum?) had designs pressed into satins and velvets. It was often accompanied by slashing and little prickings which were abraided to make the design stand out. Most of these were mid to late 16th century as well as early 17th Century. I hope this gives you some idea of where to look for the information you need. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 16 19:43:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29793 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 19:43:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA02575; Sun, 16 May 1999 18:55:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA16819 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 16 May 1999 18:52:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA16813 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 18:52:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip203-119.cc.interlog.com [207.34.203.119]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA13278 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 20:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990515012853.0093e990@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 01:28:53 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: Wooden Busks In-Reply-To: <000901be9e89$b4749540$0300a8c0@direct.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, >I have found reference to a wood busk in Corsets and Crinolines (Norah >Waugh) under the chapter "construction of corsets" ( page 154 in the >souftbound editions) and was wondering if more information could be >got on such things. I must ask, "when" are we talking? I'm familiar with 16th century stuff, in particular England. >As I seem to recall somewhere in this fog that I call a brain, they >were often called Lover's Busks and were given to ladies by their >lovers or husbands. Can't say as I've ever heard that one. Are you perchance confusing it with the concept of the giving of the busk ribbon as an intmate "favor?" >What I am interested in is references, construction tips, samples, >pics, notes, tips from people who have made them....basically anything >and all... since I can't find reference to them anywhere but in this >book. Well, I can't remember ever seeing any extant ones for the 16th century so I decided on how to make mine by deduction. In Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion 1560-1620" there is a photo of an extant "pair of bodies" or corset. The busk pocket is very easy to recognise - a rectangular pocket center fron running the full length of the corset surrounded by narrow casings full of reeds. The busk pocket has a pair of eyelet holes going through all layers, centered a little ways up from the bottom. This is where the busk ribbon would go (if you don't tie them in they tend to jump up and get you in the chin when you least expect it). ;) Therefore I made my busk 1 5/8" wide (the size of flat wooden moulding I used) pine with a pair of holes drilled through it which correspond to the ones on the corset. The length varies with personal taste. For example, a friend of mine likes the "point" (it's actually squared not at all pointy) of her corset to hit a couple of inches lower on her than I like mine. Ergo the length would be appropriate to the individual corset. The only other thing I did to it was sand the edges round - for ease of insertion and to make sure there are no splinters. I hope this helps. Good luck. Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 16 23:21:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA31943 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:21:34 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA04156; Sun, 16 May 1999 22:33:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA06460 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 16 May 1999 22:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA06438 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 22:29:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.121.19]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA18196 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <373F9B78.4DBFD6A6@mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:30:48 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST:Help with religious costume References: <199905161739.TAA13871@worldonline.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Janice Dallas Henk and Susan, Would a "Car(a)mel" :>D color brown be okay for the nun's habit? Janice Dallas _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 16 23:26:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA31963 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:26:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA04425; Sun, 16 May 1999 22:37:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA06800 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 16 May 1999 22:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA06794 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 22:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-002ohcoluP327.dialsprint.net [168.191.28.105]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA26027 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 21:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008e01bea01e$bfeb8960$691cbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST:Help with religious costume Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:35:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! >Henk and Susan, >Would a "Car(a)mel" :>D color brown be okay for the nun's habit? Depends whether it's a light or dark carmel :-) I'd go for a rich medium brown with golden tones, which is what I think today's Carmelites wear. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 00:09:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA32333 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:09:28 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA08413; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:21:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA09556 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:18:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA09538; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:18:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-62-206.s206.tnt2.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.62.206]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA02411; Mon, 17 May 1999 01:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000101bea024$9616dc60$ce3eaccf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Egyptian Class Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 01:17:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" A while back we were talking about Egypt's costume history. I mentioned that I was trying to get accepted into a week long class for educators that goes with the new exhibit on Egyptian artifacts at the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts. My reason stated for taking the class was to create an Egyptian costume resource website on our Online Library. I got my letter of acceptance yesterday!!! I am so excited, I can't wait until July!!! Walk like an Egyptian.... Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 01:45:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00724 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 01:45:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA15025; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:58:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA15078 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:54:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpdmgaaa.compuserve.com (dh-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.131]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA15056 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:54:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.4) id CAA15967 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Mon, 17 May 1999 02:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 02:53:14 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Church inspired fashion To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199905170253_MC2-75F6-8B4C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id BAA00724 Status: O -Poster: Melanie Wilson This has to be fairly brief, its early I need to get the kids to school & me to work but.... >First of all, I apologize for the original statement. It seems I was not clear enough. I thought when I was saying "The Church had little effect on actual fashion, " I was referring to the evolution of everyday wear, and the Church's inability to regulate it. I agree with the lack of direct influence > For instance, I've read accounts of clergy attacking everything from skirts which drag the ground to colored veils to revealing surcotes to pointy-toed shoes. Did people stop wearing these things because someone in the Church complained? No. Various clergy often complained about brightly-colored fabrics, and the vanity and pride exhibited by those who wore them. Did people stop wearing them as a result? Never said they did :) >Yes and no. First, through most of the early Middle Ages and even into the later Middle Ages, marriage, although recognized as a sacrament of the Church in the twelfth century, was as much, or more, a cultural phenomenom. Most marriages did not happen in churches (one traditional place in England was "at the church door"--the church fulfilled the function of a city hall in many parishes. There was a requirement for witnesses, but not even for a priest at first. ) See previous response to other posting please ! >Yes, there is Biblical precedent for women covering their hair after marriage. But that doesn't completely explain it. Veils and headgear clearly became items of fashion as well. If they were purely religious in function, you would expect little change over two millenia. I'm not argueing ANYTHING had a purely religious function, but that a religious (or any other )function can become a fashion. eg Docs are not necessary for most peoples footwear, they are workboots, but became an item of fashion. >Have you read exactly what regulations the Church put on clothing for secular people? There were very, very few. I KNOW, I never mentioned regulations, only influence. > For instance, I've yet to come across a church writer of the Middle Ages castigating a married woman for not covering her hair. Maybe there was never a case :) > I've yet to come across strictures in canon law about fashion or dress for anyone other than religious (priests, monks, nuns). Almost all of the complaints about fashion are made within the context of moral treatises--usually by individual clergy (not bishops or the Pope)--about how society is going to rack and ruin, and here's some examples from the world of fashion to back them up. Yes exactly. I'm not talking about rules. People listen to religious leader , if they didn't the church wouldn't have survived as long as it has,' would you let your daughter go out like that ?' will influence what the person holding the purse strings lets that person wear. I'm not suggesting in any way it was direct rules. Far more subtle than that. >The Rosary was a lay devotion. Of course, the Church liked to encourage lay piety, but very quickly, the production of rosaries acquired very strong secular overtones. You don't need a rosary of precious stones, or with tremendously-detailed carved beads which open to reveal a scene, to do the devotion. In fact, you don't need a rosary at all--it merely helps you keep count. A string with knots in it works just as well. Yes but it became something you wore a fashion accesory, fashion isn't function. >Wait a minute. You're seriously claiming that the economic effects of the Crusades had to do with "the Church"? Indirectly yes > Did the Church require Crusaders to bring back fabrics? Yes, there's a very long string of cause-and-effect at work, Yes cause and effect exactly what I'm getting at >but claiming that the Church was responsible for changes in fashion due to the Crusades is a mighty big stretch in logic. It is a pretty continuous logical chain to me, the butterfly flaps his wings etc..... Looking at the bigger picture and the small events yes perfectly logical. I'm not talking black & white here. >Almost every rule requiring Jews to wear distinctive clothing is a secular one, which is why the requirements differ from place to place. Did religious beliefs about the Jews inspire this? Yes, certainly. Were they promulgated by "the Church"? For the most part, no. The Church representing the difference in religion, yes. If there was no church & everyone was Jewish for instance there would be no difference. So by existing the Church influenced >I guess my quibble is with use of the term "the Church." Again, I'm coming from a specialist background (defending my dissertation on a topic regarding religious education this week), but "the Church" to me implies policy at a high level. I repeat, there was little or no policy at a high level concerning secular clothing. Once again I'm not talking about rules or policy only fashion influence > Religion underlay much of medieval society. It's merely to point out that this control was as often as not at the local level, and laypeople had a lot more influence in it than is commonly thought. The mistake is confusing medieval religion with "the Church," when it's so much more than that, and so much more complicated. Far more complicated than rules & regulations which I never even mentioned as an influence anyway. Medieval religion was a changing situation due the the existance of the Church (christian) and its increasing influence on daily life in all its forms including fashion. >You misunderstand me vastly, and I apologize for being so obtuse in my statements. 'sallright ! :) > I would heartily agree that RELIGION was a huge influence on society at the time. I would not say "the Church,"--at least in the case of fashion (politics is another matter altogether :-) because that implies control on a level at which it did not exist. When you change "the Church" to "religion," To quibble I'm not talking religion in its many form, I'm talking of the Christian Church religion specifically, therefore to me religion is inaccurate as it is to far reaching. > the statement becomes accurate, and you also allow for laypeople to make modifications or changes to clothing or behavior because of personal religious piety, not simply because someone else says they have to. I NEVER EVER SAID ANYONE SAID THEY HAD TO DO ANYTHING !!!!!! >You also allow for local variation. Do you see the difference? It may be semantics, and I may be nitpicking, I agree. But the nature of lay piety is often very poorly understood, especially the fact that they were often the ones who controlled the nature of their piety, not churchmen. Exactly they did it because they wanted too, but they did it because they felt it was a better way to show what they were how they believed, how devoted they were , BUT they did many things because of something the Church instigated be it the Crusades, church marriages or whatever. The route cause was often (not always) based on the Church. Mel __________________ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 01:45:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00728 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 01:45:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA15015; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:58:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA15062 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpdmgaaa.compuserve.com (dh-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.131]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA15043 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:54:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.4) id CAA15974 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Mon, 17 May 1999 02:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 02:53:17 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Church inspired fashion was Fancy to Plain C 13th C To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199905170253_MC2-75F6-8B4E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id BAA00728 Status: O -Poster: Melanie Wilson I'm afraid I don't have time to address every point in the detail I might like but to try & briefly do a few ! >Women covering their hair after marraige was something adopted from the general culture, not something required _de novo_ by the Church. Fashion is NEVER something that is required if that were so in my teenage years in Britain scholl uniforms would have been the FASHION. Fashion is a style of clothing adpoted at a certain time/place with various influences. > And one of the problems the Church had for *many* centuries was trying to convince people to be married by a priest. Marriage is and has been a primarily civil contract between the two parties (and their families). Indeed, certainly in the lower stratas, but where a legitimate 'legal' offspring was required such as in richer society it was pretty universal, and fashion tends to filter down from the richer classes, you will note how lower strata fashion always comes from selected upper strata fashion (even now hence the off the peg interpretations of Haute coture etc) This is why in earlier times one can dress as a peasent in fashions several years (even decades) out of date because clothing was literally handed down & therefore fashions filtered down. >Rosaries are one way to show one's piety; the styles of rosaries have change through the centuries. It is sometimes hard to tell if a string of beads is a rosary or a bracelet or a necklace. In Europe after the Reformation, rosaries could be used to make political statements as much as religious ones. People in many cultures around the world use a string of beads to aid recall or counting of prayers. But they still make a religious one. and those that don't make another statement eg it is not fashionable to wear a pentagram if you are a Catholic >While the crusades may have been originally inspired by religion, for many of the participants they were opportunities for plunder of various sorts. People brought back ideas (and actual items) for clothing because they liked them, not because the Church encouraged them. I never said the church directly dictated or encoraged them in fact I said the influence was subtle specifically. >The "distinctive" clothing of Jews in many parts of Europe were decreed by the civil, not religious, authorities But it is a fashion trend, fashion once again is not dictated it tell you and others where you are , in what group, how you think , act and so on. That is the function of fashion. .> Jews dressed pretty much like their Christian neighbors. And in countries without decreed distinctions, you would need to know some of the more subtle cultural clues to tell Jews from Christians. So, while the *idea* of trying to make Jews easy to tell from Christians may have originated with the Church, the actual decrees requiring some "difference" and defining it came from the civil authorities. Exactly fashion IS suble we probably miss alot take 6 people from different walks of life in jeans, we with our 20th C eye can tell a builder from a casual French chairman of the board, but could someone in 500 years do the same ? >One problem the Church had in trying to influence European clothing styles But they tried which is a influence in itself, at school my uniform skirt must fall on the ground when kneeling, long skirts came in our hems pushed the limits down, short the limits went up. No uniform is more casual & mort hemlines are pretty much the same. >As you state, there are *many* influences on fashions, and, during its period of greatest influence in Europe, the Roman Church may have had a small influence on some people in this regard, but I would not assign it a major role. Who said great I said suble :) Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 05:29:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA01608 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 05:29:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id EAA24886; Mon, 17 May 1999 04:37:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id EAA03396 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 04:33:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpamgaab.compuserve.com (ah-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.217.153]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id EAA03382 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 04:33:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamgaab.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.4) id GAA22649 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Mon, 17 May 1999 06:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 06:32:48 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Church inspired fashion To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199905170632_MC2-75FE-F8F1@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id FAA01608 Status: O -Poster: Melanie Wilson >Mourning clothes are also not something which were stipulated by religion, but by cultural tradition. Look, for instance, at Catholic countries today. I know that many Portuguese ladies (especially from rural areas) still maintain the tradition of black clothes in widowhood. Compare that to France, Well some in rural France still do. >or to the Catholic areas of Germany, where it's almost entirely absent. That tells me that mourning traditions are cultural, not religious, although they may indeed be linked to religion. Cultural yes but indeed linked, the areas where it is strong also tend to be more ardently religious. >The same goes for traditions of honor. Men in the U.S. normally take off hats when the National Anthem is played, for instance, regardless of religious beliefs, as a symbol of respect. It is also in many way a propigated reaction, as I understand it children in schools in the US regularly play your national anthem & pride in the country is actually propigated in a positivly enforced way. It is here (UK) but there is talk about 'citizanship' being introduced along the lines of the US. Personally I do not agree with great pushes towards ANY one group, I prefer to see our differences tolerated & celebrated rather that made distince. But that is another subject :) Anyway the point is the hats off is a State driven situation , becoming cultural by habit/enforcment (in the nicest possible way I'm sure) in schools. > I believe the same premise underlies the tradition of tipping one's hat to a lady. The practice certainly may have started as a religious one, but now, it's gone far beyond that. As have most fashions, which side a lady walks on(to leave the sword arm free) . The difference in the way a coat buttons etc. The root of the fashion , originally , it the thing that interests me, yes they all become social, but the seed that starts them comes from a specific source. >Oh, I'm not disputing the idea of the Crusades as a medium for conveying new ideas--that's well documented in about every field from medicine to fashion. My quibble is with the idea that because the Crusades originally had a religious motivation, you can credit "the Church" with all of these new ideas. I think we are at odds in degrees here, I mean as a tangible root base not the ONLY inspiration. >Surcotes are a possibility. They may have been developed to keep the dust off of armor in the Holy Lands and spread to civilian wear--first to men, then to women. And I believe, the sun overheating those inside. >ummmm..... In Britain, public schools wear uniforms because goverment >education authority for a part of the country has established that - not each IN England By public do you means State or what we call Public ie private ? (sorry it is confusing !) State schools now, cannot impose uniforms on children, but individual school adopt a school uniform which is agreed to by the majority of parents & children. This tends to be Black/Grey/Navy trouser or shirt (from anywhere) shirt of a colour (from anywhere) and a sweat shirt specific to the school with emblem for specific school ie a cheap but recognisable uniform. Private schools , however tend to specify exact items of clothing such as, skirt/trousers, shirts, jumpers, blazers, hats, overcoats, sports wear etc. Usually from one shop only and usually way overpriced. The two are quite different in regulations (and if the original poster left here 15 years ago, have changed quite a lot since then) >require that girls wear a plaid skirt, white blouse, and red vest/waistcoat, if that's not what's required on a national or regional level? Or would you qualify it by saying "All schools in East Anglia wear such and such kinds of uniforms"? That's what I'm getting at with not using "the Church", because precisely that kind of variation exists within it, which may have a root in local culture. Widows in Portugal don't wear black because the Church requires it; they wear it because it's part of their culture and a sign of respect. I've written this a few times, but again -not once did I say the Church required, laid rules down or any such thing. I am sorry if you don't understand that, but really I never suggested that they enforced fashion or even tried to, they mearly influenced it. Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 10:13:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05668 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:13:44 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA22892; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:24:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA02527 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:20:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA02463 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:19:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-12 #29137) id <01JBB2P8NFLS00LANK@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:22:53 BST Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-12 #29137) with ESMTP id <01JBB57T4CSE00P8J2@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:46:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); Mon, 17 May 1999 15:43:23 +0000 (GMT0BST) Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.43); Mon, 17 May 1999 15:43:11 +0000 (GMT0BST) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:43:06 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: H-COST: Ever After - Confession To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <18E0EFA280D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.40 (NDS) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: teddy1 "Ever After" having skipped most of the cinemas in the UK (I only know of a few people who managed to see it at the Cinema) we rented it on video yesterday and i finally got st see it. I enjoyed the film so much, I barely noticed the costumes (other than one point near the start where Cinders was putting on a dress without having a shift underneath) The costumes, as far as I noticed, were pretty but the details just passed me by in the general enjoymnet of the film. The best thing about it was that Drew Barrymore's English accent sounded so believable. After so many American actors and actresses doing such a cringeworthy job in the past, that really astounded me. Teddy (who now has to find time to rent it again and look at the costumes - we'll probably buy it) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 10:21:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05788 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:21:26 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA24631; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:32:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA04309 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:28:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sodhous15.deepwater.com (sodhous15.deepwater.com [38.231.133.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id JAA04286 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:28:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from srvex06hq by sodhous15.deepwater.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA10254; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:33:12 -0500 Received: by srvex06hq with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:26:31 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Frantz, Holly" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Ever After - Confession Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:26:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Frantz, Holly" I think you'll find the costumes to be rather nice examples of early Italian Ren. There is nothing French about them. Holly Frantz Customer Support Center Ph: 713-871-7620 Pg: 888-935-8052 -----Original Message----- From: teddy1 [SMTP:Teddy@mdx.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 10:43 AM To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Ever After - Confession -Poster: teddy1 "Ever After" having skipped most of the cinemas in the UK (I only know of a few people who managed to see it at the Cinema) we rented it on video yesterday and i finally got st see it. I enjoyed the film so much, I barely noticed the costumes (other than one point near the start where Cinders was putting on a dress without having a shift underneath) The costumes, as far as I noticed, were pretty but the details just passed me by in the general enjoymnet of the film. The best thing about it was that Drew Barrymore's English accent sounded so believable. After so many American actors and actresses doing such a cringeworthy job in the past, that really astounded me. Teddy (who now has to find time to rent it again and look at the costumes - we'll probably buy it) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 10:23:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05808 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:23:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA25128; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:35:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA04891 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:30:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA04860 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:30:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-116-90.bellatlantic.net [151.200.116.90]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00559 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37403579.254A9F05@tymeportal.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:27:53 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Ever After - Confession References: <18E0EFA280D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah I confess that I BOUGHT the film once it came to be available, I was one of those people that stampeded the cinema once it came to the screen. I want to know how they made her wings...a few more viewings, and I may be able to figure it out. my next jaunt is to go to see Midsummer night's dream, which, by the way comes HIGHLY recommended by many of my friends. this is the FIRST play I had the enjoyment of costuming, and it's what got me hooked. I did enjoy it SO !! I've heard so much about this one I can't wait to see it and had plans to see it this weekend past, but being new to the area, I got the directions my housemate gave me to the theatre it was playing in that was closest to the metro from here. ::sigh:: _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 10:38:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06001 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:38:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA28415; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:50:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA08481 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:46:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id JAA08431 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA18285 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:42:47 -0400 Message-ID: <013301bea07c$ee8476c0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Ever After - Confession Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:50:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" Funny... here I am at work listening to the Ever After soundtrack and thinking how wonderful the movie is... while the costuming may not be accurate (all right... isn't)... I think this is one of those movies to just ignore that as a "fault" of Hollywood, remember it's a Fairy Tale, and have fun... great movie, Sarah "Ever After" having skipped most of the cinemas in the UK (I only know of a few people who managed to see it at the Cinema) we rented it on video yesterday and i finally got st see it. I enjoyed the film so much, I barely noticed the costumes (other than one point near the start where Cinders was putting on a dress without having a shift underneath) The costumes, as far as I noticed, were pretty but the details just passed me by in the general enjoymnet of the film. The best thing about it was that Drew Barrymore's English accent sounded so believable. After so many American actors and actresses doing such a cringeworthy job in the past, that really astounded me. Teddy (who now has to find time to rent it again and look at the costumes - we'll probably buy it) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 11:51:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07105 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:51:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA10372; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:01:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA23386 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu (mailhub.iastate.edu [129.186.1.102]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA23350 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:56:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumes.center.iastate.edu (costumes.center.iastate.edu [129.186.127.4]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA13484 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:56:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199905171656.LAA13484@mailhub.iastate.edu> X-Sender: djnash@pop-2.iastate.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:58:22 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Doris J. Nash" Subject: Re: H-COST: MN Renaissance Festival Fire Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Doris J. Nash" At 07:55 PM 5/14/99 -0500, you wrote: > >-Poster: CJ Brunette > >Hi- I have been off the H-Costume list for some time - too busy - so >forgive me if this is redundant. >A couple people asked me about the aid fund for uninsured crafters who lost >their buildings in the arson fire. I don't have their addresses any more, & >thought others might be interested. Here is the url for the Phoenix >Project, you can also see some very good pictures before & after the fire: > >http://members.tripod.com/projectphoenix/ > >No word on any arrests or police leads. > >--CarolJane in Minneapolis Thank you CarolJane, even though I cried when I saw those photos. I hope their benefit goes like gangbusters this Sunday. I'll definitely be sending a contribution! Doris =============== Doris Nash 515-294-8863 Costume Shop Supervisor, Iowa State University "...with ruffs and cuffs, and farthingales and things." --Shakespeare, The Taming of the Shrew _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 12:18:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07448 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:18:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA14098; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:26:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA28362 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:21:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA28343 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:21:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com (14444) by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6VMCa05663 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:20:17 EDT Subject: H-COST: fabric vs. trim To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com Henk: I couldn't agree more about your fabric comment. Clothing in authentic medieval cuts, made of plain-colored linen and wool, looks fabulous. So few of us today are familiar with these fabrics! They do look really smashing. If any new reenactor (whatever the group) of any pre-Tudor era asked for my advice, I'd tell him or her not to worry about trim, but to spend money on good fabric. You're sure to look good. I am not convinced by the no-trim argument. And I don't think I explained myself well with the "pleats and ruffles" comment. I will try to compose a better explanation of what I was trying to say and post it later. Gail _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 12:58:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07997 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:58:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA20921; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:07:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA08707 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:03:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from md1-smtp.kp.org (md1-smtp.kp.org [162.119.241.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA08541 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:03:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhub.kp.org (kpssdc.kp.org [162.119.240.100]) by md1-smtp.kp.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22088 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.50.0.192] by ktazp599.crdc.kp.org with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:55:09 -0700 Received: from mr.mts.kpnw.org by OA.OR.KP.ORG (PMDF V5.2-31 #29859) id <01JBAV2E1LZK8ZWU6P@OA.OR.KP.ORG> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:56:13 PDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:56:29 +0000 (GMT) MR-Received: by mta TABOR; Relayed; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:56:29 +0000 MR-Received: by mta KPNWOA; Relayed; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:55:57 +0000 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:37:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Meagn Maguire 335-2467 Subject: H-COST: 'Waisted Efforts' - Review, anyone? To: /R=internet/R=indra.com/U=h-costume/FFN=h-costume/@mr.nw.kp.org Message-Id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Posting-date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:53:41 +0000 (GMT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: A909IXR2CGRP X400-MTS-identifier: [;92657171509991/1240669@CHR] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Meagn Maguire 335-2467 Dear costuming friends, Has anyone here read _Waisted Efforts_ by Robert Doyle? This book is regularly advertised in _Threads_ (usually in the back, small but nice display ad). I've been unable to find it locally, and have become very curious about it, nearly curious enough to spend the nearly $40US and send off across the continent for it. Although my primary interest is in women's clothing of the third quarter of the 16th Century, I also have a sincere interest in turn of the century clothing. However - I know I don't want to spend what is for me half a day's wages for naught. (Especially if it's nothing but the usual derivative nonsense refracted through 19th C porn.) Before I splurge, could someone here give me a recommendation? Is it worth enduring the uncertainties of Canada Post? So, my question is, if you have read or own this book, would you recommend it? Many, many thanks, Meagn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 14:30:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09176 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:30:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA10103; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:41:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA29466 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA29456 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:36:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA16670.; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:41:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:36:16 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:35:55 +0100 From: "KATE M BUNTING" To: Subject: H-COST: Church inspired fashion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id OAA09176 Status: O -Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" This thread seems to be getting bogged down in bickering, but just to add my two penn'orth - Elysant says that in her part of Wales women had to cover their heads in Anglican churches until about 15 years ago. Here in Derbyshire the convention hasn't been strictly observed for at least 30-40 years, during which time hat-wearing has become far less common among both sexes anyway. My mother was commenting recently that small boys who wear baseball caps don't know to take them off in church, probably because so few men wear hats at all that taking them off on entering church isn't a commonly observed action. As a teenager in the 60s I was told that I would have to cover my head to go into a Catholic church in Europe, but when I visited France I found that this wasn't the case, so it looks as though the trend is fairly widespread. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 14:42:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09288 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:42:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA13069; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:55:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA03984 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:51:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id NAA03805 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:50:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA19550 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:47:16 -0400 Message-ID: <015101bea09f$15552b60$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Church inspired fashion Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:54:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" Now, I know many churches here in the New England area where it is common practice for the women to cover their heads in church... it is considered "sacreligeous" and disrespectful for them not to. This is a minority, obviously, but it does still exist... Sarah -Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" This thread seems to be getting bogged down in bickering, but just to add my two penn'orth - Elysant says that in her part of Wales women had to cover their heads in Anglican churches until about 15 years ago. Here in Derbyshire the convention hasn't been strictly observed for at least 30-40 years, during which time hat-wearing has become far less common among both sexes anyway. My mother was commenting recently that small boys who wear baseball caps don't know to take them off in church, probably because so few men wear hats at all that taking them off on entering church isn't a commonly observed action. As a teenager in the 60s I was told that I would have to cover my head to go into a Catholic church in Europe, but when I visited France I found that this wasn't the case, so it looks as though the trend is fairly widespread. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 14:57:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09410 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:57:09 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA16299; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:09:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA02646 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:46:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otma1.state.de.us (hidest.state.de.us [167.21.1.112]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA02342 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:45:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bangate.state.de.us (bangate.state.de.us [167.21.4.130]) by otma1.state.de.us (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03725 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bangate.state.de.us with VINES-ISMTP; Mon, 17 May 99 15:45:49 EDT Date: Mon, 17 May 99 15:45:19 EDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "David W. Rickman" Subject: H-COST: Jockey caps X-Incognito-SN: 378 X-Incognito-Version: 4.11.23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "David W. Rickman" Hello, Angela Gottfred wrote: >I am researching the dress of Canadian voyageurs c. 1774-1821. One of the >items of clothing that shows up on fur trade inventory lists is 'jockey >caps', but I have nothing more than a guess as to what these caps looked >like (i.e. like modern jockey's caps, which are shaped like baseball caps). >On the web, I've found statements that Rogers Rangers wore jockey caps, but >no descriptions of them. One web site noted that they were originally cut >down from tricorns. I am familiar with jockey caps from three sources, Rogers Rangers and other British Light Infantry units of the French and Indian War and the Revolution; hunting costume of 17th century to present day and from American fur trade. They are all connected, of course. The jockey cap originated, I believe, as sporting costume, used by jockeys, horse trainers, etc. As someone mentioned, George Stubbs' paintings are a great source for images of this sort of hat. Since military costume has strong ties to sporting costume, it is not surprising that the Light Infantry, looking for practical alternatives to round hats (which can get in the way while shooting) and tricorns, which can also be inconvient in the forest and on campaign, adopted the jockey cap (along with Scottish blue bonnets and round hats cocked up on one side) as alternatives. There is a picture of Robert Rogers showing him in a jockey cap [this image is available at www/digitalhistory.org/rogers.html]. In this case, he wears it with the peak pushed up and the whole hat decorated. Tricorns, as has been mentioned by others, could also be cut down to form jockey caps, though in England, the tendency was to make them of stiffened leather to serve as a kind of crash helmet. This, then, evolved into the "tarleton" style of helmet with its bearskin crest. I am not surprised that the caps found their way into Hudson's Bay Company dress, though I wasn't terribly familiar with it. However, there are paintings done of trappers and Native Americans out west in the 1840s still wearing jockey caps [see Father Nicholas Point "Wilderness Kingdom: Indian Life in the Rocky Mountains, 1840-1847. New York, 1967]. These are eyewitness paintings of Plains and Plateau Indians who were in contact with both the Hudson's Bay Company and the American Fur Company. It seems as if it was a very popular style among American Fur Trade employees as well. For 18th century caps, you could just cut down a felt hat, but study those hunting pictures as well. G. Gedney Godwin sells leather jockey caps for conversion into tarleton helmets. Modern "dressage hats" might also work - they are of black velvet, but the shape isn't exactly right. Riding helmets have hard plastic liners which make them very unsuitable. I hope this helps some. David Rickman drickman@state.de.us _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 15:19:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09640 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:19:28 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA20977; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA16009 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:27:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA15873 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:27:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP167.dialsprint.net [168.191.27.103]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA16006 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003901bea0a3$e95dbae0$671bbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Church inspired fashion Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:29:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! Let's meet in the middle and stop what seems more and more to be a simple misunderstanding. Religion (primarily Catholic Christianity in the medieval West) was clearly an influence in medieval society, and since clothing is a reflection of that society, it is true that it had an influence on clothing. How direct an influence that was is what varies, and culture is inextricably intertwined--so much so that it's often difficult to see where one stops and the other begins. A comparison might be made today about Islamic women's dress. You may gather together ten Muslim women from a variety of cultures and find that there is a huge variety in dress--from the completely-envelloping black robes and face-hiding veils of some cultures to the simple head scarf of others, to those who wear no distinctive clothing at all. Now, this is clearly tied to the Islamic call for "modest dress" for women, but what that "modest dress" *is* is clearly dependant on culture. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 15:36:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09884 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:36:28 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA23915; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:48:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA18585 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:34:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [209.63.222.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id OAA18527 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:34:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 13877 invoked from network); 17 May 1999 20:37:31 -0000 Received: from p163.sac2.2xtreme.net (HELO 2xtreme.net) (209.63.217.163) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 17 May 1999 20:37:31 -0000 Message-ID: <37407BB1.59947F5B@2xtreme.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:27:30 -0700 From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Ever After - Confession References: <013301bea07c$ee8476c0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Stephen Bergdahl Sarah is right... Yes, Ever After has some major costume faults, but it's not History, its Fantasy. Which give them lots of room to work in. Besides they got one thing right. The scene where she see the Prince coming and our hero rushes home to change. The next time you see her she has changed clothes. And just around the corner is the two servants on the ground panting surrounded by her clothes. I've done enough quick changes back stage, to know that it can be done, but it will wear you out. Stephen Bergdahl Sarah Toney wrote: > -Poster: "Sarah Toney" > > Funny... here I am at work listening to the Ever After soundtrack and > thinking how wonderful the movie is... while the costuming may not be > accurate (all right... isn't)... I think this is one of those movies to just > ignore that as a "fault" of Hollywood, remember it's a Fairy Tale, and have > fun... great movie, > > Sarah > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 15:44:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09969 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:44:08 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA25368; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:56:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA24990 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:51:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from send304.yahoomail.com (web304.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.186]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id OAA24916 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:51:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990517205203.10305.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Received: from [129.237.252.19] by web304.yahoomail.com; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:52:03 PDT Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Margretta de Vries Subject: Re: H-COST: 'Waisted Efforts' - Review, anyone? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margretta de Vries > -Poster: Meagn Maguire 335-2467 > > So, my question is, if you have read or own this > book, would you recommend it? I would also appreciate hearing what anyone thinks about this book! I've been meaning to order it, but just haven't gotten around to it yet (money-wise)... Margretta === Margretta de Vries _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 17:20:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA10924 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:20:51 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA11655; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:32:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA23685 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:28:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rrnet.com (root@rrnet.com [206.11.160.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA23645 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:28:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from john (sceeoo.dot.rrnet.com [206.11.183.154]) by rrnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA04511 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:28:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199905172228.RAA04511@rrnet.com> X-Sender: baird@rrnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:28:02 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "J,K,S&A Baird" Subject: H-COST: Waisted Efforts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" OK, here's my review, off the top of my head... If you are going to be making corsets, the book will be very helpful. If you are an English teacher or a fan of good writing, reading it will be very annoying. The poor author should have had an editor. . . It really is full of information, none of it titillating. Kim BTW, saw Midsummer Night's Dream last night, and enjoyed it very much. It's well done and funny! Trying to understand Shakespeare's language is hard work, so I couldn't give the costumes enough attention. Think I'll have to see it again. Kim _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 18:31:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA11606 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:31:42 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA23481; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:42:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA04877 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from komarr.local.thibault.org (adsl-151-197-16-76.bellatlantic.net [151.197.16.76]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA04847 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:38:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thibault.org (granny.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.16]) by komarr.local.thibault.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA01761 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:37:52 -0400 Message-ID: <3740A855.55B4B3B0@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:38:00 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue Organization: Virtue Ventures http://www.virtue.to X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: Philly: Hoop skirt 'installation' Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id SAA11606 Status: O -Poster: Cynthia Virtue Steeled for Style: Hoop Skirts of the Civil War Era Through January 30, 2000 Included in this exhibition will be hoops suspended to show their shapes and constructions, partially dressed mannequins displaying the required layers of underwear, fully dressed mannequins, accessories of the era, and reproductions of advertisements, cartoons, and other topical materials. http://pma.libertynet.org/exhibitions/installations/hoopskirts.shtml -- Our only recourse is to fall back on the concept of personal responsibility. Each of us, as information passes through our hands, has the opportunity to jump out of the chain of unaccountability and check the facts ourselves – in effect, to become a source and be held accountable. --David Emery, on rampant misinformation and hoaxes (on the internet, but applies universally) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 21:03:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13105 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:03:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA15284; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:15:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA24156 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:11:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from plaid.engin.umich.edu (root@plaid.engin.umich.edu [141.213.42.62]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA24144 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:11:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (parsla@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plaid.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA24381 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:11:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Parsla Liepa To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Ironing a wedding dress? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Parsla Liepa My sister has bought a wedding dress that was, for lack of a better term, a floor sample. It is slightly shop-worn, mostly a few lost beads and wrinkles. How should she go about pressing the dress, especially the cathedral-length train? The fabric is a silk, almost a chanton, but the sheen isn't quite right. Parsla There's not a mome wrath born that can outgrabe me. ***************************************************************************** _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 21:15:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13204 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:15:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA16955; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:27:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA25460 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:23:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA25454 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:23:04 -0600 (MDT) From: Appin1@aol.com Received: from Appin1@aol.com (14432) by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6CHUa02053 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9d81a95c.24722824@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:19:16 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Polish gowns To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Appin1@aol.com According to the catalog from the exhibit"Laqnd of the Winged Horsemen: Art in Poland1572-1764" a zupan (pronounced "zhupan") is a "man's long garment worn with or without a "kontusz" (outer garment of eastern origin, worn over a zupoan) over it." A zupan is a long, long-sleeved (tight sleeves), high necked robe. I was usually made of costly, highly decorative silk fabric, which was used also for lining the sleeves and the of the kontusz. The back of th zupan, hidden under the outer garment, was made of linen or cotton for economy. The kontusz and zupan formed traditional Polish attire from the end of the 17th to the early 19th century... The zupan shown (p. 174 of the catalog, late 18th century) is close-fitting to the waist and the skirts of teh lower part overlap slightly. It fastens to the neck with small passamenterie buttons. A low standup collar adjusts at the back. the linen back is laced. Long fitted sleeves with turn-back cuffs fasten by hooks & eyes. There are pockets in the side seams. The garment is lined with fustian down to the waist. The description above is taken from the catalog. The whole outfit is oriental looking (think Renaissance Ottoman Empire), a long robe with a wide silk sash. Hope this helps. There weren't any illustrations of medieval Polish women's outfits. Sorry. Kathleen Norvell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 21:47:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13544 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:47:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA22205; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:59:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA02624 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:54:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA02613 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:54:53 -0600 (MDT) From: Appin1@aol.com Received: from Appin1@aol.com (14432) by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6QUWa26069 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1291795b.24722fff@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:52:47 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Sort of OT, yellowed silk? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Appin1@aol.com I used Rit color remover in a pot on the stove to de-yellow a silk blouse and it worked like a charm. Kathleen Norvell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 21:47:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13548 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:47:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA22215; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:59:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA02362 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA02201 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:52:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Appin1@aol.com Received: from Appin1@aol.com (14432) by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6LEBa02835 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:51:12 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: fabric paints To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Appin1@aol.com I understand that fabric during the Renaissance was block printed or stamped with repeating patterns. I have green velvet that I want to stamp with a gold design, so I want to find some one who will carve me a stamp so I can try it out. I wish I could find my notes on printed fabric, A woman of my acquaintance did extensive research on the topic & presented a paper on it many years ago. Kathleen Norvell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 21:47:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13552 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:47:58 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA22410; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:59:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA02365 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:52:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp5.jps.net (smtp5.jps.net [209.63.224.55]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA02145 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:52:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.63.113.193] (209-63-113-193.sea.jps.net [209.63.113.193]) by smtp5.jps.net (8.9.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20090 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905180252.TAA20090@smtp5.jps.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:50:30 -0700 Subject: H-COST: Dover Dressmaking Book From: "R.L. Shep" To: "h-costume" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "R.L. Shep" I have just received a copy of *Authentic Victorian Dressmaking Techniques* which is a re-issue by Dover of Butterick's *Dressmaking Up to Date* 1905. The Butterick manuals, and there are a number of them up into the 20s, are good solid information on dressmaking and sewing techniques. They are growing scarcer as the years go by and I can remember selling dozens of them over the years to dedicated costumers - and with good reason. They are certainly worth having if you are making period costumes. This present volume would be better called *Late Victorian* or Late Victorian and Edwardian*. If you hope to find information on the whole range of Victorian fashions/costumes then you are bound to be disappointed. BUT the sewing techniques, if used wisely, could serve for many eras. It is when you get into construction of specialized fashions/garments that you have to remember that the book was written for a specific era and basically serves that era. I found the introduction simplistic and not really necessary as it is not well resarched. But it is in no way necessary to the use of the book. At $10.95 the appearance of this book will be a delight to many costumers. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.mcn.org/e/fsbks _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 17 21:56:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13646 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:56:33 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA23755; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:07:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA03684 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:03:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA03670 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:03:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Appin1@aol.com Received: from Appin1@aol.com (14432) by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6GZLa04194 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:01:32 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Church inspired fashion was Fancy to Plain C 13th C To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Appin1@aol.com I think she meant that clergy COMPLAINING about clothing had no effect on fashion, not that the CHURCH had no effect on clothing. Priests complained from the pulpit about women wearing cosmetics, for instance, but it certainly didn't stop women from wearing makeup. Just a clarification... Kathleen Norvell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 01:18:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA15786 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 01:18:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA15102; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:30:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA22556 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:26:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id AAA22551 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:26:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 00:26:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 7847 invoked from network); 18 May 1999 06:20:36 -0000 Received: from 4.240.3-5.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (207.183.240.4) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 18 May 1999 06:20:36 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19990517232529.2a77494a@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: fabric paints Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 10:51 PM 05/17/1999 EDT, Appin1@aol.com wrote: > >-Poster: Appin1@aol.com > >I understand that fabric during the Renaissance was block printed or stamped >with repeating patterns. I have green velvet that I want to stamp with a gold >design, so I want to find some one who will carve me a stamp so I can try it >out. I wish I could find my notes on printed fabric, A woman of my >acquaintance did extensive research on the topic & presented a paper on it >many years ago. > >Kathleen Norvell IIRC, the "printing" of fabrics in 16th century Europe was not done with paints or dyes. It was essentially a hot-stamping technique on velvet (and possibly satin?). The resulting patterns were, on velvet, similar to cut velvets with high and low areas in the pile. There is some information on this (and pictures, I think) in Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 01:36:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA15965 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 01:36:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA16032; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:48:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA23841 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:44:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from spamgaac.compuserve.com (as-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.217.146]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA23814 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:44:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.0) id CAA20303 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Tue, 18 May 1999 02:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 02:43:15 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Church inspired fashion To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199905180243_MC2-761A-A13F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id BAA15965 Status: O -Poster: Melanie Wilson >This thread seems to be getting bogged down in bickering I'm sorry if anyone thought I was bickering, I was discussing not bickering. Nothing personal in it at all just a differing point of view, which is what I find interesting & enlightening about conversations . I found the other posters view points interesting not confrontational. On hat wearing & other observance of church related customs, I think you'd find if you plotted hat wearing in church in comparisson with times attended church you would see both trends decrease together in general, I know most English churches play to empty houses these days very unlike in my childhood a mear 25-30 years ago. Covering you head, shoulders legs etc WAS very common in European catholic countries, in it increased tourism and ignorance of these customs which has led to a decrease in the observance. Certainly in Italy & Greece, it would be frowned upon, I would respect this exactly the same as I respect not going into a Jain temple during menstuation, but not everyone does respect it (or perhaps they are simply ignorant of it with the great decrease religion now has in our daily lives) Similarly the church related customs have decreased, (often ones with earlier roots) and in England many tradition have sadly died out as church influence has decreased. France is still hanging on more but notably decreasing, further behind are countiries like Spain, & Greece. Where the church is more significant. However the modern catholic & high church traditions cannot really be directly related to the medieval church, which had not yet suffered the back lash of the reformation and so on. The medieval church can be seen in many was to be far more tolerant as it seeked to include and absorb older, pagan traditions into the fold, moulding them and interweaving them into what became christian tradition. The problems started when people wanted to read the Bible & realised much of what they had believed to be the teaching of that book were not. But this is getting pretty off topicso I conclusion I will say where the church is a strong influence on society, it has a stronger influence on clothing, generally in a suble form rather than as doctrines & I'll say no more least folk think I'm bickering ! Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 07:03:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA17909 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:03:37 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA29333; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:15:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA20824 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:11:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mercury.janrix.com (mercury.janrix.com [207.22.155.12]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA20818 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:11:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kat ([207.22.155.95] (may be forged)) by mercury.janrix.com (2.5 Build 2640 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA02424 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:11:12 -0400 Received: by kat with Microsoft Mail id <01BEA105.0739F5E0@kat>; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:04:18 -0400 Message-ID: <01BEA105.0739F5E0@kat> From: kat To: "'Historic Costume list'" Subject: H-COST: books Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:04:04 -0400 Encoding: 18 TEXT Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: kat Found a book I went ahead and picked up for $9.00. It's entitled "English Costume: From Prehistoric Times to the end of the 18th Century." by George Clinch. First published in 1909, this is a 1975 re-print by EP Publishing Limited in Yorkshire. This book includes Military costume, ecclesiastical costume, Robes of the orders of Chivalry, etc. Any one else ever run across this book? Comments? This dust jacket lists other books by this publisher, including, "English Folk Song and Dance" by Kidson & Neal; Jewellery, by H. Clifford Smith; The Story of Pantomime, by A.E. Wilson; A History of Tapestry, W.G. Thomson; The Brasses of England, by Herbert W. Macklin; In Gipsy Tents, F.H. Groome Kat Hargus owner, Making Time www.makingtime.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 08:06:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA18536 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:06:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA04756; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:18:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA27103 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:14:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA27097 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:14:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP245.dialsprint.net [168.191.28.7]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA11665 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000c01bea130$980acf60$071cbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Church inspired fashion was Fancy to Plain C 13th C Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:16:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! >I think she meant that clergy COMPLAINING about clothing had no effect on >fashion, not that the CHURCH had no effect on clothing. > >Priests complained from the pulpit about women wearing cosmetics, for >instance, but it certainly didn't stop women from wearing makeup. Yep, that would be accurate.. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 09:39:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19477 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:39:26 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA18625; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:51:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA12200 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA12190 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:46:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p12.directcon.net [206.170.184.61]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA01745 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:42:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 07:42:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199905181542.HAA01745@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Ironing a wedding dress? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson At 10:11 PM 5/17/99 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: Parsla Liepa > > >My sister has bought a wedding dress that was, for lack of a better term, >a floor sample. It is slightly shop-worn, mostly a few lost beads and >wrinkles. How should she go about pressing the dress, especially the >cathedral-length train? The fabric is a silk, almost a chanton, but the >sheen isn't quite right. > I would recommend taking it to a good cleaners and having it professionally steam pressed. This is a big chore. Wedding gowns are usually steamed, not ironed. I used to do it for the bridal salon I worked with, and for a full trained dress, I planned on it taking two full hours to steam the dress, stuff it with tissue paper so it kept its shape, clip any threads, and spot clean any small marks. If you do try to press or steam it, do the body of the dress first, then hang it from a ceiling hook while you do the train. Then spread the train out on a sheet on the floor until wearing time. Don't store the dress with the train looped up or bustled or it could stretch out of shape. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 10:52:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20230 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:52:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA01059; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:04:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA28029 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:00:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp5.jps.net (smtp5.jps.net [209.63.224.55]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA28003 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:00:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.63.113.218] (209-63-113-218.sea.jps.net [209.63.113.218]) by smtp5.jps.net (8.9.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18853 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905181600.JAA18853@smtp5.jps.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:00:22 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: books From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "R.L. Shep" I do not open attachments. There is not message - just an attachment. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.mcn.org/e/fsbks ---------- >From: kat >To: "'Historic Costume list'" >Subject: H-COST: books >Date: Tue, May 18, 1999, 5:04 AM > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 11:48:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20858 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:48:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA08245; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:59:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA09619 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:55:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com [207.46.181.18]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA09602 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:55:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.150 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:53:58 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Sort of OT, yellowed silk? Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:59:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bea150$1db35460$960bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <1291795b.24722fff@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" Did you have to use hot water? I have some blouses that could use this, but they sere not handmade and thus not pre-shrunk. Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Appin1@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 10:53 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Sort of OT, yellowed silk? -Poster: Appin1@aol.com I used Rit color remover in a pot on the stove to de-yellow a silk blouse and it worked like a charm. Kathleen Norvell ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 12:28:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21315 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:28:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA16477; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:41:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA18339 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:36:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vail.telesensory.com (vail.telesensory.com [12.7.233.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA18311 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:36:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vail.telesensory.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:33:30 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Vickers, Jill" To: "'h-costume'" Subject: H-COST: Late 18th/Early 19th Century Fabric Printing Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:33:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Vickers, Jill" I have a question regarding Late 18th/Early 19th century fabric printing techniques. Would the entire fabric have been dyed a color, and *then* the print applied over, or would an appropriate amount of white be left after the color was applied where the print would then be applied? Thanks, -Jill _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 14:27:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22565 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 14:27:33 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA08732; Tue, 18 May 1999 13:39:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA11363 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 13:34:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from value.net (root@value.net [204.188.125.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA11321 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 13:34:41 -0600 (MDT) From: koz@value.net Received: from kavvieP (op127.value.net [209.182.130.127]) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id MAA18758 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905181934.MAA18758@value.net> To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:36:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: H-COST: Wool Question Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01c) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: koz@value.net Does anybody know the effects on wool at high heat but no moisture? Are there any ill effects? Thank you in advance. Michael Quan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 14:43:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22775 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 14:43:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA11254; Tue, 18 May 1999 13:55:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA14455 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 13:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA14442 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 13:51:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.121.19]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA13351 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 15:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3741C4D9.54B5862A@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:51:53 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 'Waisted Efforts' - Review, anyone? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Janice Dallas I read it when it first became available, but it's packed away so I'm going from memory. Basically, it's a study of corsets and their manufacture, it's not pornographic, and it has corset patterns. If that falls within your sphere of interest, yes, it is a book you must have. I like it. Janice Dallas JaniceDals@mediaone.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 15:15:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23063 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 15:14:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA16759; Tue, 18 May 1999 14:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA20157 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 14:22:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id OAA20093 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 14:21:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA28067 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:18:41 -0400 Message-ID: <001201bea16c$a0256de0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: H-COST: Sorta OT: Appliques for a cloak Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:25:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" I have a question that isn't quite historical but you all would most likely be the best ones to answer it. I am making a cloak for a character who is a "mage". I want to border the entire thing in contrasting colored stars, moons, suns, etc. Should I get a material that won't fray on the edges (such as felt) and make them out of that, or should I go for the same type of material as the cloak and hem the edges? I'm not sure which will look better. Or, does anyone have any other ideas? Sarah, who really doesn't want to cut out 700 little stars. ;-) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 16:00:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23615 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:00:50 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA25163; Tue, 18 May 1999 15:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA29044 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 15:07:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA29011 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 15:07:33 -0600 (MDT) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com (8048) by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6WRUa01220 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <59db0a9c.24733015@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:05:25 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Sorta OT: Appliques for a cloak To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com Sarah, I do a great deal of theatrical costuming and have found a few ways around applique, although I do use that as well. You can either cut the shapes and heat bond them with some of those wonderful iron activated sheets of adhesive (this would probably still require at least a zig zag stitch around the shapes, but it's nice to bond them on first anyway) I just did this for flames on the interior of a cape to great effect; or if you'd like to try something different, you can use glue as paint and greeting card powders to make raised embellishments out of sparkly or matter powders. This can be found at a Michael's here in the Bay Area, or at most craft stores. I paint on a thin film of glue and then cover generously with powder. Then shake off the powder and use the heat device for this powder to cook it to the fabric. It ends up looking like a cross between embroidery and applique and is very effective. Can't say either of these methods is not a "time" eater, but they are both pretty and effective. If you're interested in either, e-mail me off list and I can give you brand names of the products I used for both effects. angil +++++ Angela F. Lazear Costumes & Custom Clothing Theatrical Costume Design "Let me take you a buttonhole lower." W. Shakespeare In a message dated 5/18/1999 13:27:06 Pacific Daylight Time, toneys@rentgrow.com writes: << I have a question that isn't quite historical but you all would most likely be the best ones to answer it. I am making a cloak for a character who is a "mage". I want to border the entire thing in contrasting colored stars, moons, suns, etc. Should I get a material that won't fray on the edges (such as felt) and make them out of that, or should I go for the same type of material as the cloak and hem the edges? I'm not sure which will look better. Or, does anyone have any other ideas? Sarah, who really doesn't want to cut out 700 little stars. ;-) >> _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 16:40:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23989 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:40:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA01285; Tue, 18 May 1999 15:53:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA06581 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 15:48:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA06525; Tue, 18 May 1999 15:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-159-188.s188.tnt7.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.159.188]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA29408; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000101bea178$2a77e300$bc9faccf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Gifted Student Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:48:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" I am really going to open up a can of worms, but I would really like your advice. I teach at a middle school and was asked by the Art teacher to review a "gifted" student's portfolio. Gifted meaning she is attending a special section of our school for children with very high I.Q.'s. (Personally I believe we all have gifts.) The reason I was asked to review her portfolio is because the entire portfolio is costume illustrations. The clincher is... her Dad highly opposes her working on the costume renderings. He thinks this is beneath her intelligence. I reviewed the portfolio and it is good for raw talent and her age. She REALLY loves making the renderings. She said she hurries up and finishes her "gifted" classwork to where she can draw renderings in her spare time. She sneaks and spends her allowance on Tom Tierney paper doll books. She said people think she is crazy because she buys paper doll books. She uses the doll bodies to trace then she draws her own costumes on them. I discussed with her the difference between costume and fashion designers. She said she wanted to be a costume designer. I feel so bad for her, I know the expectations some parents place on gifted kids. Part of me wants to hand her my Dover books and some good costume videos. Now that she knows my interest, I know she is going to be following me around. I don't want her parents to think I am the "EVIL MENTOR". Any suggestions as how to deal with this situation? Has anyone dealt with people who think you are beneath them because of your costuming profession/interest? Would you go on and feed the young mind? Did your parents not like your costuming gifts? Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 17:36:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24499 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:36:03 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA09635; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:47:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA17346 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:43:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA17264 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:42:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p37.directcon.net [206.170.184.86]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16277 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 15:38:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:38:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199905182338.PAA16277@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Sorta OT: Appliques for a cloak Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson At 05:05 PM 5/18/99 EDT, you wrote: > You can either cut the shapes and >heat bond them with some of those wonderful iron activated sheets of adhesive >(this would probably still require at least a zig zag stitch around the >shapes, but it's nice to bond them on first anyway) To avoid the zigzagging, use those squeeze bottles of fabric paint to seal the edges of the appliques after you've fused them on. You know, the stuff grandmas use to make those awful sweatshirts with the preprinted cutouts. Some of the glitter ones are particularly pretty and can be very dramatic, I also like the metallic but not sparkly ones. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 17:40:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24572 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:40:34 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA10209; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:52:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA18177 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:47:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA18160 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:47:49 -0600 (MDT) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com (8048) by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hBBCa02571; Tue, 18 May 1999 18:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53e0f802.24734780@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:45:20 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: OT/ Gifted Student To: penny.creative.outlets@pop.erols.com CC: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com Penny, Ideally, I think you need to make an effort to get at least one of her parents to recognize how important this is to her. Otherwise, it's an uphill battle. If that fails, then I would say encourage her as much as you are able, within whatever restrictions they are placing on her time. It is more than gifted to discover what you are passionate about at a young age, and if she's happy, that has to be a huge consideration when deciding what is important for her to study. Parents should try not to force too many their own choices on their children. My eldest daughter has known she wanted to be on the stage since she was very young, and I just let it take it's course, because I felt to discourage anything she really loved would be unfair to her. I still get the "but when will she get a real life" questions. It's her life, and her choice, this youngster should be allowed to make time for her "dreams" while she studies the subject's that her parents feel best nurture her intellectual talents. However, ultimately, her parents will be the ones who get to shape her choices. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Costumes & Custom Clothing Theatrical Costume Design "Do you not know I am a woman?. When I think, I must speak." W. Shakespeare In a message dated 5/18/1999 14:49:52 Pacific Daylight Time, penny.creative.outlets@pop.erols.com writes: << Any suggestions as how to deal with this situation? Has anyone dealt with people who think you are beneath them because of your costuming profession/interest? Would you go on and feed the young mind? Did your parents not like your costuming gifts? Later...Penny >> _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 18:05:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24864 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 18:05:24 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA13486; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:16:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA22194 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:11:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA22184 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:11:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP200.dialsprint.net [168.191.27.112]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA23113 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000201bea184$16725820$701bbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Gifted Student Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:23:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! >The clincher is... her Dad highly opposes her working on the costume >renderings. He thinks this is beneath her intelligence. Perhaps Dad doesn't realize that the field of costume history and design is more than "making clothes." He's probably thinking of his gifted child's future as being that old-fashioned term, "seamstress." Perhaps you (or someone) should have a chat with him and let him know that "costume history" is studied at major universities and colleges around the world, and can lead to graduate studies, advanced degrees, and university positions--that's for those who don't end up costuming theatre productions and movies. There's an unfortunate tendency to denigrate the arts sometimes as not requiring "as much brains" as the sciences, law, or business. That's bunk. I was considered "gifted" as a child as well. There was a subtle undercurrent in school (not so much from my parents) that the science classes and sometimes, a few of the advanced literature classes, were the place for the "smart" kids to go, with art classes being the "easy" way. (Home ec classes were at the bottom of the food chain, along with shop.) Dad needs to know that his daughter's field of interest is populated by intelligent, educated people. He's probably never met a costume designer (unless he's talked to you) before and has no idea of what they do, or the amount of work and research behind it. It sounds like he thinks of the field as something akin to plumbing or car repair. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 18:07:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24877 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 18:07:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA13881; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:20:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA22714 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:15:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA22699 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP200.dialsprint.net [168.191.27.112]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA28856 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001a01bea184$92f46dc0$701bbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Sorta OT: Appliques for a cloak Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:17:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! >At 05:05 PM 5/18/99 EDT, you wrote: >> You can either cut the shapes and >>heat bond them with some of those wonderful iron activated sheets of adhesive >>(this would probably still require at least a zig zag stitch around the >>shapes, but it's nice to bond them on first anyway) > >To avoid the zigzagging, use those squeeze bottles of fabric paint to seal >the edges of the appliques after you've fused them on. A word of advice: Heat n' Bond comes in two strengths--regular and lite. If you don't plan to stitch them down, the regular is what you want, but if you *do* plan to zigzag around the cutouts, use the lite, because the regular can gum up your needle. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 18:16:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24979 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 18:16:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA14985; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA23976 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:24:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id RAA23967 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:24:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.19.1.35] ([172.19.1.35]) by mail.cho.org; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:23:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000201bea184$16725820$701bbfa8@dsc> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:22:43 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: H-COST: Gifted Student Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lynn Downward >-Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" > >Greetings! > >>The clincher is... her Dad highly opposes her working on the costume >>renderings. He thinks this is beneath her intelligence. > > >Perhaps Dad doesn't realize that the field of costume history and design is >more than "making clothes." He's probably thinking of his gifted child's >future as being that old-fashioned term, "seamstress." > >Perhaps you (or someone) should have a chat with him and let him know that >"costume history" is studied at major universities and colleges around the >world, and can lead to graduate studies, advanced degrees, and university >positions--that's for those who don't end up costuming theatre productions >and movies. There's an unfortunate tendency to denigrate the arts sometimes >as not requiring "as much brains" as the sciences, law, or business. That's >bunk. > > >I was considered "gifted" as a child as well. There was a subtle >undercurrent in school (not so much from my parents) that the science >classes and sometimes, a few of the advanced literature classes, were the >place for the "smart" kids to go, with art classes being the "easy" way. >(Home ec classes were at the bottom of the food chain, along with shop.) > >Dad needs to know that his daughter's field of interest is populated by >intelligent, educated people. He's probably never met a costume designer >(unless he's talked to you) before and has no idea of what they do, or the >amount of work and research behind it. It sounds like he thinks of the >field as something akin to plumbing or car repair. > >Susan > Yes, what Susan said. Also, think of all the highly respected people working in museums throughout the world with "costume history" degrees. And think of how well-respected Janet Arnold was, and will be, for years to come. Whether she's designing stage costume or studying historical costume, it seems to be her calling. One wonders if Dad has ever looked at her portfolio. I too was a "gifted and talented" child. Although my artist father never denegrated art or music classes - they improve the imagination - typing, sewing and drama classes were not looked on as favorable optional classes for someone in this group. My mom sewed many of our clothes so she supported needlearts, luckily. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 18:37:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25167 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 18:37:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA17226; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:48:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA26705 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:43:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p2.acadia.net (root@p2.acadia.net [205.217.210.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA26673 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:43:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.217.210.111] (ell209.acadia.net [205.217.210.65]) by p2.acadia.net (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA26344 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 19:42:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: pulliam@post.acadia.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:43:32 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: pulliam@acadia.net (Deborah Pulliam) Subject: H-COST: Gifted Student Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: pulliam@acadia.net (Deborah Pulliam) <> In order to deal directly with the father's misguided concerns, emphasize the historic aspects of her work, and encourage her to study *history* of dress (and fashion, if she's so inclined.) Encourage her to read, not just "costume" books but also those that deal with other aspects of material culture, manners, etc. Also encourage her to read and study art history in all of its various aspect. Challenge her intellectually, artistically, any way you can. If it's history, I hardly think her father would think it "beneath her" unless he's a real troglodyte. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 18:37:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25177 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 18:37:50 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA17576; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:50:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA27026 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:45:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA26994 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:45:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990518234531.YGDG13558.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@c59303-a> for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:45:31 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01bea188$d4d055c0$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Subject: H-COST: Fw: Lucasfilms too big for it's own viewers? Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:47:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" I am posting this here with permission and if you are on the fantasy costume lists if you have not seen it there please forward it. I for one will NOT boycott the movie over this decision. Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Apollinaire Fraser (Withdrawn to protect the guy, he is only an usher) To: ches@io.com Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 6:13 PM Subject: star wars mrs. Havas, i am sorry to report that my theater will not alow you dress up and entertain the patrons for the price of the movie. i am sorry as Scott, my stepdad, told me what you do and have already done for this movie. as for your idea of boycotting the movie-- good luck. it is a very excellent movie. if you have any other question for the theater their number is (972) - 473 - 2289. ask for a Mr. Porter or a Mrs. Offerdal. ( i think that is how you spell it, i am not sure.) sorry, Apollinaire -----Original Message----- From: Teresa Patterson Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 12:26 AM Subject: Lucasfilms too big for it's own viewers? : : :-------------Forwarded Message----------------- : :From: INTERNET:Heropa@aol.com, INTERNET:Heropa@aol.com : : To any and all concerned with Movies, : At 7:30 on Thursday the 13th 1999, We were informed that theaters :showing Star Wars Episode 1 are not to make any deals with ANYBODY that :entails free viewing. Fine, I can understand that. Business is business. :ALL THEATERS WERE ALSO INFORMED NOT TO HAVE INVITED COSTUMED GUESTS STAYING :IN THEIR LOBBIES. :LUCAS CAN GO SUCK ON AN EWOK! He's telling managers how to run their shops :and I find that not only offensive but highly ungrateful to the fans of Star :Wars. Worse still, they have waited for the 13th to announce this with the :movie premiering on the 19th. My roommates and I were planning to view the :show in Indianapolis as guests of a manager. After being in costumes for the :entire day we would be treated to the employee viewing after closing. These :plans started over 2 months ago and I am the only one that does NOT have a :nearly completed costume (palace guard). I have the vinyl, but not the :velour. The Darth Maul costume only needs the horns finished, the belt, and :the light sabre touched up. The Queen Amadala costume is Excellent and :COMPLETE. In our cases, this isn't some schlocky, bundle of toys and fabric, :flaky, fan-boy job I'm talking about either. We are working towards doing :props and costuming on the professional level. The Maul costume has real :dental acrylic teeth, a hand pleated cowl, the pants and shirt surged from :fabric. Not modified but created! : But what thanks do people willing to give the highest form of :flattery get? A lot less from Star Wars than Star Trek, that's for sure! :That's right! I said STAR TREK! Take note George Lucas, and what ever :brainless add exec came up with this sad attempt to rig beating Titanic's :opening purse. (something not needed) If Lucas wants his universe to be the :year to year draw he should learn from the original, fan backed, direct :competitor. As they say, "Do what the successful do." Don't insult your :customers. : There's the standard reply/excuse of being "fair to the ones in :line". They're in line to be FIRST, or in the first day. We want to be an :attraction to make the theater that brings us to them a better memory to it's :patrons. Those patrons are more likely to prefer that theater in the future, :and we get paid with a movie. Usually after closing. Where's the big loss in :that? :WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THE "NO DEALS" DECREE? : I petition the full total of theater managers to ignore it :completely. It's your shop and you, at the very least, know how to show some :appreciation to your customers by giving them more than just long lines and a :flick that might even suck. I call out to the theater COMPANIES (Sony, :Karasotes, etc.) to make official reversals. Order your managers to do their :best to make waiting for a ticket entertaining. There are times when the way :to sell a show goes against the desires of the makers of the movie, and this :is it. : The OTHER OPTION, BOYCOTT! :IF YOU CAN LIVE WITHOUT THE PHANTOM MENACE, DO SO! :IF YOU MUST SEE THIS THE PHANTOM MENACE, WAIT A MONTH! :IF YOU CAN'T WAIT A MONTH, BE SURE TO ONLY SEE IT ONE TIME AS A PAYING :THEATER GOER. : I wonder what option George Lucas would prefer? : Thanx4Being : R. P. Hubbard : _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 18:38:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25187 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 18:38:24 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA17667; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:51:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA27155 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:46:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rrnet.com (root@rrnet.com [206.11.160.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA27140 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from john (maltese.cat.rrnet.com [206.11.160.206]) by rrnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00839 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 18:46:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199905182346.SAA00839@rrnet.com> X-Sender: baird@rrnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:46:19 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "J,K,S&A Baird" Subject: H-COST: gifted student Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" Here's my 2 cents on the subject-- As a parent of a 14 year old, I am happy whenever he shows an intense interest in ANYTHING. If finding time for such an interest means your little friend gets her school work done first, how can her dad complain? Also, I would be very surprised if this girl's interest actually leads her to study costume design in college, or end up working in costume design. It may happen, but intense interest at her age is no great predicter of the future. It's better than being fascinated by guns and bombs or drugs and sex. kim _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 19:45:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA25954 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 19:45:37 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA23942; Tue, 18 May 1999 18:56:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA05741 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 18:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA05701 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 18:51:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (plasma [129.127.36.10]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id KAA08023 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:21:43 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA10154; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:21:05 +0930 Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:20:58 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@plasma To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: gifted student In-Reply-To: <199905182346.SAA00839@rrnet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Tue, 18 May 1999, J,K,S&A Baird wrote: > > Also, I would be very surprised if this girl's interest actually leads her > to study costume design in college, or end up working in costume design. It > may happen, but intense interest at her age is no great predicter of the > future. > Oh, I don't know about that. I went through plenty of phases from when I was about 8 of being sure I was going to do x (archaeologist, fashion designer, restranteur, actor), but I'm still pretty fixed on one of the \things I was sure of when I was 14. Of course, I also changed my mind about what course I was doing after my first year in university :-) I think I pretty much agree with what everyone else has said so far though. Sometimes I feel there's a pressure, if you're very intelligent to somehow 'contribute', to do something significant, but it's often overlooked that the arts enrich people's lives as much as any important discovery. After all, would we prefer that Leonardo (da Vinci, not di Caprio :-)) 's father had pushed him into aeronautical engineering, or left him to paint the\Mona Lisa? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 19:56:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA26048 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 19:56:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA25100; Tue, 18 May 1999 19:08:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA07312 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 19:03:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA07304 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 19:03:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (morr0680.gti.net [208.216.122.80]) by gti.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26004 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 21:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37420CB3.6AA739C@gti.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:58:28 -0400 From: "Deborah-Lisa R." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: NJ Dry Cleaners References: <37420AD5.79108523@gti.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Deborah-Lisa R." > Hi! > > I need some dry cleaner references...Does anyone know of a dry cleaner > in the NY/NJ area with *experienced* cleaning vintage & antique clothes? > > I am in Morristown, NJ. > > Please help if you know of anyone! > Thanks in advance, > Lisa Rand _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 20:33:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26415 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:33:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA29863; Tue, 18 May 1999 19:45:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA11957 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 19:40:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (smtp5.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA11951 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 19:40:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (user-2iveidf.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.73.175]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17676 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 21:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005201bea198$52dd7a60$af49f7a5@pavilion> From: "Megan McHugh" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Polish gowns Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:38:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Megan McHugh" Is there a place in the catalog where I can order it? I missed the exhibit, but would very much like to order a copy of the catalog. Thanks for the info you sent. -----Original Message----- From: Appin1@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 10:23 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: Polish gowns > >-Poster: Appin1@aol.com > >According to the catalog from the exhibit"Laqnd of the Winged Horsemen: Art >in Poland1572-1764" a zupan (pronounced "zhupan") is a "man's long garment >worn with or without a "kontusz" (outer garment of eastern origin, worn over >a zupoan) over it." > >A zupan is a long, long-sleeved (tight sleeves), high necked robe. I was >usually made of costly, highly decorative silk fabric, which was used also >for lining the sleeves and the of the kontusz. The back of th zupan, hidden >under the outer garment, was made of linen or cotton for economy. The kontusz >and zupan formed traditional Polish attire from the end of the 17th to the >early 19th century... > >The zupan shown (p. 174 of the catalog, late 18th century) is close-fitting >to the waist and the skirts of teh lower part overlap slightly. It fastens to >the neck with small passamenterie buttons. A low standup collar adjusts at >the back. the linen back is laced. Long fitted sleeves with turn-back cuffs >fasten by hooks & eyes. There are pockets in the side seams. The garment is >lined with fustian down to the waist. > >The description above is taken from the catalog. The whole outfit is oriental >looking (think Renaissance Ottoman Empire), a long robe with a wide silk >sash. > >Hope this helps. There weren't any illustrations of medieval Polish women's >outfits. Sorry. > >Kathleen Norvell > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 20:58:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26613 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:58:02 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA02911; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:10:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA14770 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:05:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id UAA14757 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:05:46 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:05:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 22171 invoked from network); 19 May 1999 01:59:46 -0000 Received: from 230.64.3-9.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (207.231.64.230) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 19 May 1999 01:59:46 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19990518190657.29d7e844@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: Wool Question Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 12:36 PM 05/18/1999 -0700, koz@value.net wrote: > >-Poster: koz@value.net > >Does anybody know the effects on wool at high heat but no >moisture? Are there any ill effects? > >Thank you in advance. > >Michael Quan As long as the wool is dry, the high heat of a dryer will not do any harm. In fact, it's a good way to kill off any eggs from moths and other such creatures who eat wool. Just be certain that the fabric is pure wool. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 21:26:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26888 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 21:26:43 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA07112; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:39:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA18050 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:34:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mole.slip.net (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA18039 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:34:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.131] (helo=default) by mole.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10jwBV-00070s-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 May 1999 19:34:18 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:08:47 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Sorta OT: Appliques for a cloak In-Reply-To: <001201bea16c$a0256de0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 04:25 PM 5/18/99 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Sarah Toney" >I am making a cloak for a character who is a "mage". I want to border the >entire thing in contrasting colored stars, moons, suns, etc. Should I get a >material that won't fray on the edges (such as felt) and make them out of >that, or should I go for the same type of material as the cloak and hem the >edges? Sarah--I think I'd make the cloak of wool and felt it as much as possible. Then cut out the shapes of the starts/moons/suns/&c. in the borders of the wool. Underneath that, sew your contrast fabric. I would probably stick with wool and again felt it just to keep the weight/&c. equal. You could stitch around each if you really wanted to, but from all I've read, you shouldn't need to. I'm sure there are others here who can critique what I've said...and I hope you will, Ladies. I'd like to know what you think. >Sarah, who really doesn't want to cut out 700 little stars. ;-) Good luck! Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 21:36:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26992 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 21:36:50 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA08675; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:49:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA19093 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:44:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA19084 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990519024401.MGNZ18849.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 19:44:01 -0700 Message-ID: <3742256F.9D4E2A91@home.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:43:59 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Sorta OT: Appliques for a cloak References: <001201bea16c$a0256de0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kat & Kent A woman I knew who did a LOT of appliqués would use iron-on stuff and then zig-zag the edges with a very tight stitch. Personally, I'd consider paint. I made a lovely set of matching garb for my family (cotehardies for myself & my husband and a loose gown for our infant daughter) in white and then used stencils to put holly leaves and berries around the bottom hem. They were a big hit. Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 18 23:47:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28327 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:47:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA29506; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:00:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA03955 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 22:55:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA03941 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 22:55:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from radfordp (1Cust244.tnt26.sfo3.da.uu.net [208.255.72.244]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA15749 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 21:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905190455.VAA15749@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> From: "Diane Perry (Melangell)" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 22:02:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim Priority: normal In-reply-to: <001201be9f35$214055a0$731bbfa8@dsc> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Diane Perry (Melangell)" > > Henk said, > >I don't know if you people out there ever get a chance to see people > >dressed up in good woollen and linen replica's of late 12th to early 14th c > >costume, but if you have or will, you'll be impressed by the simple > >elegance of this kind of dress, even for the lower classes. > > I wear an early 12th century "Norman" dress with the long sleeves and piles of material in the skirt. Always get compliments. I have one out of silk and two out of wool. Have made them out of cotten before and they not only don't look right, but they don't fit correctly. Sometimes, you need the stretch of the wool or silk to fit correctly. > I've just finished such a dress. It's a darkish green woolen material, with > a gored construction (both front and side gores). I sewed the whole thing > by hand, and I was really trying to duplicate that loose upper-sleeved, > tight lower sleeved look of the thirteenth century (which I did via handsewn > eyelets, which are laced with fingerloop-braided cord, from about an inch > below the elbow down). Round neck, finished a la Museum of London (with a > piece of ribbon--I used twill tape, since I had no silk ribbon) sewn down > over the folded edge on the inside. No trim at all. It'll be worn with my > existing handsewn linen smock. I'm extremely happy with the way it hangs, > and I think I've finally got this particular look "right." It's probably the > most authentic dress I've ever made, and it makes me want to go out and make > *more*! > > Susan Carroll-Clark It sounds beautiful. I am really proud of the dress that I hand sewed. It makes you really take pride in your accomplishments. My only complaint is that SCA judges always slam my clothing because they think that it should be heavily embellished (it does look very unadorned next to an Elizabethian, but looks really kick butt in the drape and quantity of material). Melangell > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 00:10:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA28603 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 00:10:24 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA03524; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA05707 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:18:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA05671; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-61-158.s158.tnt1.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.61.158]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA00127; Wed, 19 May 1999 01:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000101bea1b7$0869ef80$9e3daccf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Midsummer Costume Review Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:18:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" I have opened up a new section to my website called Costume Critique. I get to go to the movies as many times as I want for free, so I'll take advantage of it. The first film on the site is "A Midsummer Night's Dream", http://www.costumegallery.com/Critiques/MND.htm I am open to adding costume critiques from people in speciality areas. I would love to have someone to critique the mini-series, "Joan of Arc" that specializes in this time period. Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 01:08:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA29248 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 01:08:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA12215; Wed, 19 May 1999 00:21:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA10309 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 00:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ares.flash.net (ares.flash.net [209.30.0.41]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA10302 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 00:16:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flash.net (p156.amax13.dialup.hou1.flash.net [209.30.67.156]) by ares.flash.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09477 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 01:16:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <374256F8.5758A8E7@flash.net> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:15:21 -0500 From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Subject: H-COST: Tencel fabric? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Charlene Charette I was in Jo-Ann's and came several bolts whose fiber content was listed as "TENCEL". So, being the curious sort, I searched the web to find out what it was. According to their web page (http://www.tencel.com): Lyocell is the FTC approved generic name for solvent spun cellulose. Acordis' brand name for this product is TENCEL®. TENCEL is produced from the natural cellulose in wood pulp using a solvent spinning technique. Virtually all of the solvent is recycled during the process. Has anyone used this fabric? I can't recall now how if felt (I was searching for something specific and that wasn't it), but it was nice enough that I bothered to checked the tag. Not knowing what it was I didn't get any. --Charlene -- The meek shall inherit the earth, but not the mineral rights. -- J. Paul Getty _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 02:33:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA28882 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 02:33:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id BAA23235; Wed, 19 May 1999 01:46:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id BAA16174 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 01:41:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (mta1.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.122]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id BAA16161 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 01:41:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-68-38.irvn11.pacbell.net [206.170.68.38]) by mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id AAA22334; Wed, 19 May 1999 00:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3742090C.1354C008@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 00:42:56 +0000 From: Dietmar Organization: Completely Disorganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com, SarahToney Subject: H-COST: Re: Sorta OT: Appliques for a cloak References: <001201bea16c$a0256de0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Dietmar Greetings, Sarah wrote: > I am making a cloak for a character who is a "mage". I want to > border the entire thing in contrasting colored stars, moons, suns, > etc. Should I get a material that won't fray on the edges (such > as felt) and make them out of that, or should I go for the same > type of material as the cloak and hem the edges? I'm not sure > which will look better. Or, does anyone have any other ideas? > > Sarah, who really doesn't want to cut out 700 little stars. ;-) It would seem that you have two options: cut and paste/sew or paint/print. You could do the whole job rather quickly by making a few stencils or stamps and painting/printing, but it depends on the look you are going for. I've made iron-on appliqués with the fusible web you can buy at the fabric/craft stores. I'd recommend that you match the weight of the fabrics. When I tried it, I used a tightly woven cotton print and I didn't need to do any stitching over the edge to secure the appliqués. I'm sure the results would very somewhat with the type of fabric. Good luck, Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 06:15:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA30975 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 06:15:21 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id FAA14451; Wed, 19 May 1999 05:28:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA07892 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 05:23:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com [207.46.181.26]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id FAA07887 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 05:23:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.170 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 May 1999 04:22:46 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Gifted Student Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:28:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bea1ea$eaa2a760$2f0bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <000101bea178$2a77e300$bc9faccf@costume> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" Well, I'm in my late 40's and my parents think my historic costume research is quite offbeat. They refer to it as "clothes," while I think of it as "material culture." It really doesn't measure up in their eyes. When I was in middle school I made doll clothes constantly. My mother ignored it, but my father, the engineer, liked the creativity. He liked the ways I had found of gluing clothes together instead of stitching in some areas instead of sewing. Looking at these clothes today, I am tickled to see the same lines of Jackie Kennedy's gowns come through. That was the period I was working in. Later I became an architect. It was more acceptable to my parents. But they made me go to "real" college first. In my generation, I think parents looked at art school as a place where girls wore sandals and got laid by predatory men. I've heard this over and over from other parents of my generation and beyond. They wanted the artistic skills channeled into hobbies, Martha Stewart type of home activities, etc., and their girls to pursue more acceptable work and life styles. I've since moved on to another career, more remote from design, but most people say my real gift is in certain types of paper and plastic sculpture, but it gets very little exposure. People like it immensely, but won't buy it. But it keeps things fun with family and friends. Remind the parents that the design skills transcend media, that an artistic eye is a critical component of success in many more traditional careers, and encourage you student not to neglect her other pursuits. I think everyone need a little magic in their lives to keep going, and it sounds like this is hers. Everything else she is doing may go a little more easily if you let this ability live and thrive in her. Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 5:48 PM To: h-costume Subject: H-COST: Gifted Student -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" I am really going to open up a can of worms, but I would really like your advice. I teach at a middle school and was asked by the Art teacher to review a "gifted" student's portfolio. Gifted meaning she is attending a special section of our school for children with very high I.Q.'s. (Personally I believe we all have gifts.) The reason I was asked to review her portfolio is because the entire portfolio is costume illustrations. The clincher is... her Dad highly opposes her working on the costume renderings. He thinks this is beneath her intelligence. I reviewed the portfolio and it is good for raw talent and her age. She REALLY loves making the renderings. She said she hurries up and finishes her "gifted" classwork to where she can draw renderings in her spare time. She sneaks and spends her allowance on Tom Tierney paper doll books. She said people think she is crazy because she buys paper doll books. She uses the doll bodies to trace then she draws her own costumes on them. I discussed with her the difference between costume and fashion designers. She said she wanted to be a costume designer. I feel so bad for her, I know the expectations some parents place on gifted kids. Part of me wants to hand her my Dover books and some good costume videos. Now that she knows my interest, I know she is going to be following me around. I don't want her parents to think I am the "EVIL MENTOR". Any suggestions as how to deal with this situation? Has anyone dealt with people who think you are beneath them because of your costuming profession/interest? Would you go on and feed the young mind? Did your parents not like your costuming gifts? Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 07:57:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA31907 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:57:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA21529; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:10:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA16135 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:05:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpgate.uvm.edu (smtpgate.uvm.edu [132.198.101.121]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA16122 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:05:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 132.198.103.243 (132.198.103.243) by smtpgate.uvm.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.4EC54A80@smtpgate.uvm.edu>; Wed, 19 May 1999 8:05:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3742C5FF.4961@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:09:05 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Gifted Student References: <000101bea178$2a77e300$bc9faccf@costume> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Hope Greenberg As others have said, emphasizing the intellectual/historical/challenging aspects is a great idea. You might also pick up a copy (or find one for the parents!) of "Reviving Ophelia: saving the selves of adolescent girls" by Mary Pipher (Pub. New York : Putnam, c1994.) She has some interesting things to say about supporting adolescent and pre-adolescent girls' interests, even if those interests are not what the parents would consider important. As the mum of a 14 year old daughter, I've found Pipher's ideas have come to the rescue many times. - Hope _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 08:34:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA32327 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:34:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA24617; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:47:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA20517 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:42:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grumpy.usu.edu (grumpy.usu.edu [129.123.1.86]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA20497 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:42:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.123.250.33] ("port 2048"@ppp33.pm4.usu.edu [129.123.250.33]) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #30472) with ESMTP id <01JBDGVVW2LW9QVU5Y@cc.usu.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:42:22 MST Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:52:01 -0600 From: Karalee Larsen Pugmire Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim In-reply-to: X-Sender: Francesca.da.Bari@pop.netaddress.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" References: <199905151553.RAA18275@worldonline.nl> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Karalee Larsen Pugmire >I wonder if much of the sense people have today that these clothes are >drab/unattractive stems from the fact that so many people reproducing them >have used the wrong fabric. I have seen many, many "generic tunics" made >of cotton because it's cheap, readily available, and (presumably) >comfortable. But cotton is *not* a suitable substitute for linen or wool >-- it hangs and flows very differently, without the smooth draping and >subtle "glow." And it wears much worse than medieval fibers, particularly >after washing. I've found layered linen and wool (or, in the right time >and place, a strong silk) to be more comfortable than cotton even in >90-degree heat, and it looks superb. > I just finished the book The Italian Cotton Industry in the later Middle Ages 1100-1600 by Maureen Fennell Mazzaoui which clearly demonstrates that Cotton is medieval. Before 1100 she says cotton was billed much like silk as a luxury item. It was the Italian mass marketing murchant houses that made it into a common man's clothing. So I would say that cotton was a medieval fiber. However, I do agree that it drapes differently. I just wonder that one would feel so confined to using wool and linen when cotton is period. Francesca da Bari Cote du Ciel (Logan, Utah) Francesca.da.Bari _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 09:11:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01897 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:10:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA28381; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA25778 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:18:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpgate.uvm.edu (smtpgate.uvm.edu [132.198.101.121]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA25760 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:18:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 132.198.103.243 (132.198.103.243) by smtpgate.uvm.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.90E99E70@smtpgate.uvm.edu>; Wed, 19 May 1999 9:18:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3742D739.1E8B@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:22:39 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Cotton was Re: 1200s trim References: <199905151553.RAA18275@worldonline.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Hope Greenberg Karalee Larsen Pugmire wrote: > I just finished the book The Italian Cotton Industry in the later > Middle Ages 1100-1600 by Maureen Fennell Mazzaoui which clearly > demonstrates that Cotton is medieval. Before 1100 she says cotton was > billed much like silk as a luxury item. It was the Italian mass > marketing murchant houses that made it into a common man's clothing. > So I would say that cotton was a medieval fiber. This is fascinating. Did it mention how cotton was used? For that matter, couold anyone comment or point me to sources on how any of the other textiles were used, say for the period 1400-1600. For example, a recent source that I read talked about the Roman use of cotton for buntings and draperies, not necessarily for clothing. So, for wool, silk, linen and cotton which would most likely be used for clothing, which for lining, which for underclothes, which for household use, etc.? Looking at art images it would appear that wool in many weights was usually used for outer layers (I mean simply the layer that you see, as opposed to lining and interlining), linen was usually used for lining and undergarments, silk was used for outer layers and for undergaments, cotton batting for padding and stuffing and maybe for other things. But were linen and cotton used for outer layers? And one more question: was it more likely for linen lining to be undyed (or bleached), dyed a different/contrasting color, or dyed a similar color to the garment it was lining? - Hope _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 09:19:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07343 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:18:58 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA29411; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:31:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA27010 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:26:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA27003 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:26:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p33.directcon.net [206.170.184.82]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA23758 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:21:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:21:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199905191521.HAA23758@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Gifted Student Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson >Any suggestions as how to deal with this situation? Has anyone dealt with >people who think you are beneath them because of your costuming >profession/interest? Would you go on and feed the young mind? Did your >parents not like your costuming gifts? One the one hand, I identify strongly with the young lady, as I too, had parents who didn't think sewing class was an appropriate choice for a "gifted" student. On the other hand, and as a parent, I can sympathize with her father. He has a gifted child who is interested in entering a profession in which it is almost impossible to make a decent living. After working in a costume shop where I was one of the few without a masters degree in costume design, and all of us were making under $10 an hour (that's UNION scale, BTW) I can certainly understand his misgivings. I wouldn't discourage the young lady from pursuing her interests, but I'd sure urge to to learn some other, marketable and well paid skill. I sure wish I had. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 09:45:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27364 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:44:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA03310; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:57:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA02387 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:52:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f152.hotmail.com [207.82.251.31]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id IAA02373 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:52:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 47615 invoked by uid 0); 19 May 1999 14:52:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19990519145205.47614.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.215.201.162 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:52:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.215.201.162] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Late 18th/Early 19th Century Fabric Printing Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:52:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Good book on the subject: The Fabric of Society, by Jane Tozer. Available ILL, if nothing else. >From: "Vickers, Jill" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: "'h-costume'" >Subject: H-COST: Late 18th/Early 19th Century Fabric Printing >Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:33:29 -0700 > > >-Poster: "Vickers, Jill" > > >I have a question regarding Late 18th/Early 19th century fabric printing >techniques. > >Would the entire fabric have been dyed a color, and *then* the print >applied >over, or would an appropriate amount of white be left after the color was >applied where the print would then be applied? > >Thanks, >-Jill > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 10:10:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27870 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:10:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA07389; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:23:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA07441 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:18:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.isg.siue.edu (mail.isg.siue.edu [146.163.5.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA07434 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:18:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from frick.siue.edu (client652.pb.siue.edu [146.163.163.82]) by mail.isg.siue.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA05900 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:16:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990519101944.007da860@siue.edu> X-Sender: cfrick@siue.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:19:44 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carole Frick Subject: H-COST: zupon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Carole Frick Dear All, The discussion on the meaning of the term "zupon" and its relatives has finally led me to put in my two cents. According to Stella Mary Newton, in Renaissance Venice, a "zupon" was a garment worn by males (which was called a "farsetto" in Florence), that is, a man's doublet, close-fitting, and quilted with cotton wool stuffing, which was worn over an undershirt like a close-fitting, hip-length vest. The craftsmen who fashioned these garments were called "zupponieri". Best, Carole _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 11:19:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29802 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:19:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA16025; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:31:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA20425 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:26:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dgs.dgsys.com (robin@dgs.dgsys.com [204.97.64.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA20417 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:26:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by dgs.dgsys.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA24171 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:26:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dgs.dgsys.com: robin owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:26:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Robin Netherton On Wed, 19 May 1999, Karalee Larsen Pugmire wrote: > I just finished the book _The Italian Cotton Industry in the later > Middle Ages 1100-1600_ by Maureen Fennell Mazzaoui which clearly > demonstrates that Cotton is medieval. Before 1100 she says cotton was > billed much like silk as a luxury item. It was the Italian mass > marketing murchant houses that made it into a common man's clothing. So > I would say that cotton was a medieval fiber. > > However, I do agree that it drapes differently. I just wonder that one > would feel so confined to using wool and linen when cotton is period. Oh, there's no doubt that cotton was a medieval fiber, and I hope I didn't suggest otherwise. But it was by no means a common one, and just because it was available doesn't mean it was appropriate for any given type of garment. My point in my earlier post was not to say that cotton was never ever used, but rather that the drapy long tunics we were discussing simply don't look right or wear well in cotton (at least not in today's cottons) compared to wools, silks, and linens. All evidence I've seen suggests that wool, in particular, was the default common cloth used for these garments. If cotton were used for them, it would have been comparatively rare, and it probably would not have had the same look. I don't feel "confined" to wool and linen -- I choose to use them, because by doing so, I feel I'm more likely to be able to replicate the typical look and feel of clothing of the period. I've tried cotton, and I don't like what it does for these clothes. Replicating the "typical" is particularly important in my line of research, which is to work out cutting and construction techniques. Construction methods reflect the common materials, not the exceptions. The methods may be applied (and adapted) for use with non-typical materials, but the main development of the methods will reflect the more universal fabrics. I have other books by Mazzaoui, but not the one you mention. I would be interested to learn what she says about the cotton trade. I note you mentioned men's clothing in particular, so I wonder what specific garments cotton was used for -- and where. Italian clothing is quite different from Northern and Western European clothing, in many regards (cut, color, silhouette). I suspect that availability/preference for different types of cloth contributes to some of that difference. I've seen cotton in medieval Western European embroidery (both thread and ground fabric) and, if I recall correctly, it was used for cushions and similar non-garment items with some regularity. I'd have to hunt up the references, but I think also it was used for the ground (or was it the pile?) in some velvets. The velvets would typically have been used for bed hangings and the like for most of the period. So, obviously cotton was in use -- but not typically chosen for clothing, and when it was, most likely that was not for basic garments for the vast majority of the population. --Robin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 12:14:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05873 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:14:42 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA22617; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:27:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA02973 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:22:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ares.flash.net (ares.flash.net [209.30.0.41]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA02963 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:22:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flash.net (p192.amax14.dialup.hou1.flash.net [209.30.67.192]) by ares.flash.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18392 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:22:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3742F30A.3106D092@flash.net> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:21:15 -0500 From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Subject: H-COST: Cartoon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Charlene Charette The caption on this cartoon is "How gravity has given new meaning to 'Fall' Fashion" http://www.comics.com/comics/warped/archive/images/warped914605090510.gif --Charlene -- To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 12:34:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13440 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:34:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA25284; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:47:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA07696 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:42:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mcn.org (mail.mcn.org [204.189.12.25]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA07657 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:41:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 204.189.12.64 (ha-3e-men-m004.mcn.org [204.189.12.39]) by mail.mcn.org (8.9.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA27483 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3742F740.7B24@mcn.org> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:39:23 -0700 From: Fred Struthers X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume Subject: H-COST: Juan de Alcega Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Fred Struthers Respectfully submitted to h-costume members: I am stocking Juan de Alcega's TAILOR'S PATTERN BOOK: 1589 indefinitely so if you need a copy email me at fsbks@mcn.org - or you can reach me through the RL Shep Publications website, URL below. FS Books on Cloth - a catalog of hard-to-find and out-of-print costume and textile books - all eras -- Fred Struthers http://www.mcn.org/e/fsbks _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 12:38:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13481 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:38:25 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA25916; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:51:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA08483 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:46:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id LAA08469 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:46:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.19.1.35] ([172.19.1.35]) by mail.cho.org; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:46:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3742F740.7B24@mcn.org> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:44:50 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: H-COST: Juan de Alcega Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lynn Downward >-Poster: Fred Struthers > >Respectfully submitted to h-costume members: > >I am stocking Juan de Alcega's TAILOR'S PATTERN BOOK: 1589 indefinitely >so if you need a copy email me at fsbks@mcn.org - or you can reach me >through the RL Shep Publications website, URL below. > >FS >Books on Cloth - a catalog of hard-to-find and out-of-print costume and >textile books - all eras >-- >Fred Struthers >http://www.mcn.org/e/fsbks > What's the price? LynnD _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 13:08:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05213 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 13:08:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA01728; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:22:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA14471 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mcn.org (mail.mcn.org [204.189.12.25]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA14457 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:16:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 204.189.8.127 (ha-2e-men-m063.mcn.org [204.189.8.127]) by mail.mcn.org (8.9.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03895 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3742FFDC.527D@mcn.org> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:15:56 -0700 From: Fred Struthers X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Juan de Alcega References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Fred Struthers Lynn Downward wrote: > What's the price? > > LynnD The price is $42 plus 2.75 and 3.04 sales tax, if you are a CA resident. Foreign surface shipping is a bit higher. -- Fred Struthers http://www.mcn.org/e/fsbks _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 13:57:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13690 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 13:57:24 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA10359; Wed, 19 May 1999 13:09:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA23057 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 13:04:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA23020 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 13:04:17 -0600 (MDT) From: CONNECT@aol.com Received: from CONNECT@aol.com (230) by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6ZWEa01068 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:03:25 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Juan de Alcega To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: CONNECT@aol.com In a message dated 5/19/99 2:17:26 PM, fsbks@mcn.org writes: << The price is $42 plus 2.75 and 3.04 sales tax, if you are a CA resident. >> If you have a Border's bookstore near you, you could save yourself $2 plus shipping. My copy I got last week was $40. I highly recommend getting the Tailor's Pattern book..it's got lots o' neat stuff. :) Yours, Pattie Rayl _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 15:47:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18840 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:47:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA28558; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA15300 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:54:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1-alterdial.uu.net (smtp1-alterdial.uu.net [192.48.96.19]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA15216 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:54:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jwilbur1 by smtp1-alterdial.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: 119.pcpool89.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.89.119]) id QQgpxr06823 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:54:15 GMT Message-Id: From: "Jessica Wilbur" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:55:56 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199905190455.VAA15749@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <001201be9f35$214055a0$731bbfa8@dsc> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" > It sounds beautiful. I am really proud of the dress that I hand > sewed. It makes you really take pride in your accomplishments. My > only complaint is that SCA judges always slam my clothing because > they think that it should be heavily embellished (it does look very > unadorned next to an Elizabethian, but looks really kick butt in the > drape and quantity of material). > > Melangell This happened to my Laurel once, before she was elevated. She spent so much time hand sewing an Italian Ren dress out of blue linen, using linen thread and even sewing with a bone needle. She did not embellish it much if at all (heck, she was still hemming it on her way to the event where the competition was being held-- and she was driving at the time! Yes, we yelled at her about that) but she did not do well in the competition because the judges gave her poor marks in complexity. Phooie! =P The dress was well made, draped beautifully and its lines were very authentic for that period. --Jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 17:18:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17111 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 17:18:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA14184; Wed, 19 May 1999 16:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA10701 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 16:25:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.inreach.com ([209.142.0.6]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA10659 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 16:25:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default (209-142-41-89.stk.inreach.net [209.142.41.89]) by smtp.inreach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02919 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3743398B.DBD868AC@inreach.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:22:03 -0700 From: Diana H Organization: Well, I wouldn't call it organized...... X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: gifted student X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Diana H > On Tue, 18 May 1999, J,K,S&A Baird wrote: > > > > > Also, I would be very surprised if this girl's interest actually > leads her > > to study costume design in college, or end up working in costume > design. It > > may happen, but intense interest at her age is no great predicter of > the > > future. > > > Oh, I don't know about that. I went through plenty of phases from when > I > was about 8 of being sure I was going to do x (archaeologist, fashion > designer, restranteur, actor), but I'm still pretty fixed on one of > the > \things I was sure of when I was 14. Of course, I also changed my mind > > about what course I was doing after my first year in university :-) > I think I pretty much agree with what everyone else has said so far > though. > Sometimes I feel there's a pressure, if you're very intelligent to > somehow > 'contribute', to do something significant, but it's often overlooked > that > the arts enrich people's lives as much as any important discovery. FWIW maybe suggest that the father rent "Good Will Hunting" and maybe he will realize that just because someone is highly intelligent, it doesn't mean that they necessarily *want* to be part of a big "think tank" or to cure cancer. For those that do, fine. But how can you say to someone "You must be a " if that person doesn't want to be? And I agree that maybe having a doctorate in historical costume or being a costume designer won't net you big bucks (unless you work for Steven Spielberg!) but it may be a completely rewarding career for her and her father should respect that. After all, isn't the main feeling of all parents that their children should grow up to be healthy & happy? If so, he should take another look at *her* interests and wishes rather than his own..... Just my two pennies, Diana :~> > > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, > Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" > and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson > friendly substance. > ------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "There are too many mediocre things in life to deal with.....Love shouldn't be one of them." --Ione Skye in "Dream for an Insomniac" _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 18:29:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18952 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 18:29:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA25279; Wed, 19 May 1999 17:43:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA24529 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 17:37:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA24517 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 17:37:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from postoffice-283.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-283.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.93]) by mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id QAA04727; Wed, 19 May 1999 16:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-283.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id QAA12516; Wed, 19 May 1999 16:37:49 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRMplF6CxlCyhcpU2nINgk9+yvYngIUAe384GEkqvcTqWq9+ow2esMyz18= From: CDepner26@webtv.net (Harold Hensley) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:37:49 -0400 (EDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: gifted student Message-ID: <11579-37434B4D-2776@postoffice-283.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Diana H 's message of Wed, 19 May 1999 15:22:03 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: CDepner26@webtv.net (Harold Hensley) Being a parent with a gifted child it baffles me to hear that a parent would not encourage their child in their interests. My daughter at present time wants to persue a career in archaeology and I fully support her interest. Even though she may not decide to persue this career she is learning and enriching herself. I can't image denying a child the right to learn. Costuming involves a lot of historical research which will benefit her whether or not she chooses to persue this a career or not. Isn't best for you to enjoy the field you choose rather than being stuck in a job you dread? Besides isn't the child's happiness what's important? C. Depner _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 18:46:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19459 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 18:46:44 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA29137; Wed, 19 May 1999 18:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA27005 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 17:55:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sight.vcn.com (sight.vcn.com [208.162.240.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA26976 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 17:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from unknown (vcn7.pm3-1.gill.wy.vcn.com [208.162.240.26]) by sight.vcn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5116AF51A9; Wed, 19 May 1999 17:55:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000101bea178$2a77e300$bc9faccf@costume> References: Conversation <000101bea178$2a77e300$bc9faccf@costume> with last message <000101bea178$2a77e300$bc9faccf@costume> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Frank&Tracy Thallas JR" Subject: Re: H-COST: Gifted Student Date: Wed, 19 May 99 17:56:56 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id SAA19459 Status: O -Poster: "Frank&Tracy Thallas JR" Greetings! I've been reading the responses to this subject with interest - our group "demo-s" for the local "gifted" classes almost every year, and the parents have always been extremely supportive. First, please don't encourage the girl to go against her father's wishes - this could lead to big trouble for the girl AND yourself - nasty notes to the schoolboard, etc, aren't going to do anyone any good. However, perhaps the girl's counselor or someone the father would listen to could speak to him - talents should never be squashed, and our "fantasy" lives are extremely important for happiness and development, especially for young people. You can't grow up and cure cancer or build the first light-speed spaceship if you're locked up in the Neurosis Farm.... And has anyone heard from her mother? Perhaps that might be path to take. Or encourage the history teacher, art teacher, whoever, to work in a short unit covering such interests - clothing, after all, has always said so much about the society it comes from! Good Luck to you and this young lady, Liadain _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 19:25:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20528 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:25:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA02758; Wed, 19 May 1999 18:39:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA01868 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 18:33:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA01813; Wed, 19 May 1999 18:33:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-86-66.s66.tnt6.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.86.66]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id UAA01185; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000101bea258$7465c140$4256accf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Ladies Indipensable Assistant Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:33:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" As a combined effort, Kat Hargus of Making Time and I have placed on my website excerpts from an original 1852 book, Ladies Indipensable Assistant, http://www.costumegallery.com/Book_1852/homepage.htm . This book covers a wide variety of topics including: how to create dyes for certain colors, several embroidery stitches, etiquette for ladies and gentlemen, beadwork, also, stitching and cleaning household items. Kat provided the book and typed the information (kudos). I designed, laid out, and provided the space for it. Have fun reading about how people did things 145 years ago! Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 19:44:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21040 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:44:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA04721; Wed, 19 May 1999 18:58:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA04025 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 18:53:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA04010 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 18:53:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from best.com (lavolta.vip.best.com [206.86.95.234]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id RAA20595 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 17:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37435C8F.BF38B6FC@best.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:51:27 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Ladies Indipensable Assistant References: <000101bea258$7465c140$4256accf@costume> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lavolta Press Penny Ladnier wrote: > -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > > As a combined effort, Kat Hargus of Making Time and I have placed on my > website excerpts from an original 1852 book, Ladies Indipensable Assistant, > http://www.costumegallery.com/Book_1852/homepage.htm . This book covers a > wide variety of topics including: how to create dyes for certain colors, > several embroidery stitches, etiquette for ladies and gentlemen, beadwork, > also, stitching and cleaning household items. Kat provided the book and > typed the information (kudos). I designed, laid out, and provided the space > for it. Have fun reading about how people did things 145 years ago! > This is primarily a cookbook? It was reprinted in 1971 and http://www2.alibris.com/ currently shows six copies for sale at prices as low as $12, if anyone is interested. The longest bookseller description reads: Hutchinson, E. facsimile Cookbook Collector's Library Louisville, KY 1971 HB VG/no dj, blk spine w/cream bds, no dj 8vo, 138, Here are the very best directions f/the behavior & etiquette of Ladies & gentlemen, Ladies toilette table, directions f/managing canary birds, also, safe directions f/the management of children, instructions f/ladies under various circumstances, a great variety of valuable recipes, forming a complete system of family medicine, thus enabling each person to become his or her own physician to which is added one of the best systems of cookery every published. reprinted by Cookbook Collector's Library. Has chapter on medical properties of plants, plus married ladies' indispensable companion and family physician. Fran Grimble --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.best.com/~lavolta/index.htm Historic and vintage dance http://www.best.com/~lavolta/dance/index.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 19:54:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21304 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:54:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA05484; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA05321 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.boston.juno.com (m2.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.199]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA05304 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:03:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from kayherb@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EAZ9UZZR; Wed, 19 May 1999 21:03:45 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Gifted Student Message-ID: <19981004.044554.5351.6.kayherb@juno.com> References: <000201bea184$16725820$701bbfa8@dsc> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4 From: "Kathryn L. Herb" Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:03:45 EDT Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Kathryn L. Herb" Hey, Susan! If I'd read your reply before doing mine, I wouldn't have had to! Well put! Kay kayherb@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 19:55:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21312 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:55:11 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA05570; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:09:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA05386 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.boston.juno.com (m2.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.199]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA05380 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:04:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from kayherb@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EAZ9UZ42; Wed, 19 May 1999 21:03:45 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: OT/ Gifted Student Message-ID: <19981004.044555.5351.7.kayherb@juno.com> References: <53e0f802.24734780@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 11-12,17-20 From: "Kathryn L. Herb" Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:03:45 EDT Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Kathryn L. Herb" Perhaps I'm really reaching here, but do you think it would do any good (assuming you can get the parents' ear even briefly) to work into the "argument" the cultural research, spatial relationships (mathematics), philosophical study, etc. that goes into costume work? It really is intelligent work and something not everyone cares to pursue because of the need for that research and attention to detail. And not only in historical costuming, but costuming in general. Maybe they need to look past the assumed frivolity of clothing and get exposed to the breadth of knowledge that we all have gained in our work. Then again, if your student can stick with it in whatever time is allowed to her for it, and if she can somehow even "accidentally" expose her parents to the how's and why's, they might begin to see it themselves? Just a thought from a gramma who took the time to observe her own daughter's interest in Marilyn Monroe in light of her own obsession with 18c stuff. We're both "gifted children" who chose a different path from the others. And our families, though admittedly thinking we were sorta strange, appreciated us for what we are. Kay kayherb@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 20:38:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22393 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:38:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA09358; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:53:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA10546 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:48:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay4.hawaii.edu (relay4.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.12]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id TAA10537 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from uhunix1.its.hawaii.edu ([128.171.44.6]) by relay4.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <374568(9)>; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:46:51 -1000 Received: from localhost by uhunix1.its.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <135715(7)>; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:46:49 -1000 Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:46:42 -1000 From: X-Sender: lisaleon@uhunix1 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Juan de Alcega In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: > If you have a Border's bookstore near you, you could save yourself $2 plus > shipping. My copy I got last week was $40. I highly recommend getting the > Tailor's Pattern book..it's got lots o' neat stuff. :) I tried to order it from Borders last week but even tho' I had the ISBN, title, author, publisher, etc., they wouldn't do it for me. :( For anyone who has ordered it directly from Quite Specific Media, what was the cost of shipping? lisa _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 20:48:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22669 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:48:10 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA10137; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:02:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA11575 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:57:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp5.jps.net (smtp5.jps.net [209.63.224.55]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA11549 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:57:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.239.222.17] (209-239-222-17.sea.jps.net [209.239.222.17]) by smtp5.jps.net (8.9.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22446 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 18:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905200157.SAA22446@smtp5.jps.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:57:18 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: Juan de Alcega From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "R.L. Shep" try Fred Struthers fsbks@mcn.org he is an h-costume list member ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.mcn.org/e/fsbks ---------- >From: >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: Juan de Alcega >Date: Wed, May 19, 1999, 6:46 PM > > >-Poster: > >> If you have a Border's bookstore near you, you could save yourself $2 plus >> shipping. My copy I got last week was $40. I highly recommend getting the >> Tailor's Pattern book..it's got lots o' neat stuff. :) > > I tried to order it from Borders last week but even tho' I had the >ISBN, title, author, publisher, etc., they wouldn't do it for me. :( > > For anyone who has ordered it directly from Quite Specific Media, >what was the cost of shipping? > >lisa > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 21:05:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23195 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 21:05:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA11729; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:20:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA14054 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:15:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from POP02 (pop02.ex-pressnet.com [208.193.112.18]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA14014 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:14:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alt1 - 24.239.14.77 by ex-pressnet.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 May 1999 22:14:03 -0400 From: "Allison Thurman" To: Subject: H-COST: fabric savvy Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:18:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Allison Thurman" this book may not be news to anybody on this list but given conversations on how to pretreat fabrics i thought it might be useful - pick up sandra betzina's "fabric savvy". i just got my copy from amazon today and am mightily impressed. it includes some 80+ fabrics (natural and synthetic) and includes preparation, sewing methods, designs best suited for the fabric, best closures/ sewing machine feet etc. compact too. allison _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 21:16:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23475 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 21:16:11 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA12864; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:30:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA15149 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:25:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.pacifier.com (root@smtp.pacifier.com [199.2.117.96]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA15133 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:25:24 -0600 (MDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip231.van19.pacifier.com [216.65.141.231]) by smtp.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA23356 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905200225.TAA23356@smtp.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:19:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <199905190455.VAA15749@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com One thing to remember is that not all SCA groups are the same, just like all other Costume Contests (no matter what the group) are the same. In our area (An Tir, which is NW US and Western Canada), embellishment which is inappropriate is not given any positive reinforcement. Although Elizabethans have won our contests, it is actually more frequent that a well made, very sparsely adorned 14th Century or Middle Eastern will win. The important thing is that the embellishment is appropriate to the time and place (and that the garment is well made.) > > It sounds beautiful. I am really proud of the dress that I hand > > sewed. It makes you really take pride in your accomplishments. My > > only complaint is that SCA judges always slam my clothing because > > they think that it should be heavily embellished (it does look very > > unadorned next to an Elizabethian, but looks really kick butt in the > > drape and quantity of material). > > > > Melangell > > This happened to my Laurel once, before she was elevated. She spent so much time hand > sewing an Italian Ren dress out of blue linen, using linen thread and even sewing with a > bone needle. She did not embellish it much if at all (heck, she was still hemming it on her > way to the event where the competition was being held-- and she was driving at the time! > Yes, we yelled at her about that) but she did not do well in the competition because the > judges gave her poor marks in complexity. Phooie! =P The dress was well made, draped > beautifully and its lines were very authentic for that period. > > --Jessica Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 19 23:47:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA27554 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 23:47:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA28950; Wed, 19 May 1999 23:01:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA01635 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 22:56:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA01624 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 22:56:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip203-108.cc.interlog.com [207.34.203.108]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA26660 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 00:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990519141009.00970e60@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:10:09 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: Gifted Student In-Reply-To: <000101bea178$2a77e300$bc9faccf@costume> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetins, >I am really going to open up a can of worms, but I would really like your >advice. I teach at a middle school and was asked by the Art teacher to >review a "gifted" student's portfolio. Gifted meaning she is attending a >special section of our school for children with very high I.Q.'s. >(Personally I believe we all have gifts.) The reason I was asked to review >her portfolio is because the entire portfolio is costume illustrations. > >The clincher is... her Dad highly opposes her working on the costume >renderings. He thinks this is beneath her intelligence. This hits so close to home it is unreal. I was in those "gifted" classes all through school and my only interest was in art and costume. My parents discouraged me constantly, trying to force me into areas for which I had no apptitude - things like engineering because areas like that were "a suitable field" for intelligent people and had "a future." Now, because I didn't follow my true inclination I'm frustrated and trying to go back to school to do what I NEED to do. After all that personal information, all I can say is encourage her. Even if it means being an "evil mentor". She will be lucky to have someone who will respect her gifts and support her. At the same time I think Susan's advice is valid and work on the parents. If mine were anything to go by, mention university recognition, research posibilities, and mulitiple career options in respected fields and they will probably come around. Good luck. Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 01:25:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA30468 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 01:25:34 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA06717; Thu, 20 May 1999 00:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA14007 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 00:34:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from value.net (root@value.net [204.188.125.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA14001 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 00:34:54 -0600 (MDT) From: koz@value.net Received: from kavvieP (op218.value.net [209.182.130.218]) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id XAA21065 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 23:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905200634.XAA21065@value.net> To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:36:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: Wool Question Priority: normal In-reply-to: <2.2.16.19990518190657.29d7e844@mail2.quiknet.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01c) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: koz@value.net Date sent: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:05:46 -0600 (MDT) To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: Wool Question Send reply to: h-costume@indra.com > > -Poster: Joan M Jurancich > > At 12:36 PM 05/18/1999 -0700, koz@value.net wrote: > > > >-Poster: koz@value.net > > > >Does anybody know the effects on wool at high heat but no > >moisture? Are there any ill effects? > > > >Thank you in advance. > > > >Michael Quan > > As long as the wool is dry, the high heat of a dryer will not do any harm. > In fact, it's a good way to kill off any eggs from moths and other such > creatures who eat wool. Just be certain that the fabric is pure wool. > > In fact, it's an Alpaca blanket and is pure wool... Thanks for all the help. Michael _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 04:15:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA01000 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 04:15:19 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id DAA15054; Thu, 20 May 1999 03:29:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id DAA06159 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 03:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailgate.caci.co.uk (mailgate.caci.co.uk [195.173.80.20]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id DAA05933 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 03:24:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from caci_ntas1.caci.co.uk (caci_ntas1.caci.co.uk [194.70.42.18]) by mailgate.caci.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09527 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:11:24 +0100 (BST) Received: by caci_ntas1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:16:03 +0100 Message-ID: From: Christina Nevin To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: RE Cotton Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:16:02 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Christina Nevin Hi everyone, I've been doing dilatory research on the sale of cotton through Venice for a little while, so here's a couple of comments. In regards to the outer garment question: "Whilst discussing the doublet-makers (known as giubbonari, zuparii or giubbettieri), Newton relates after 1219 they were governed by similar rules to other types of tailor. She notes that "materials other then cloth - leather and cotton-wool, for instance" were used in making doublets, or zupon. Like other tailors, they were not allowed to mix old cloth with new in construction of outer garments, and were also not allowed "to mix old and new bombacinum to use as padding". " (bombacinum was used for 'cottonwool') And it was also sold outside Italy in Spain; "In Appendix B.III Newton relates "On 28 June 1506 Priuli (I dirii, I, p.424) noted the arrival of ships from Syria cum sachi 700 gottoni of Cyprus and sachi 160 of Syria. On 15 June 1525 a letter from 'India' includes the information that the country is healthy; there are fruits, pams, hens and pigs and many cotton cloths - panni de goton (Sanudo, XXXIX, col. 59). The letter was addressed to the emperor from the town of Panama, so that although the index to this volume includes this entry under India orientale, the reference must, surely, be to the New World. The letter also states that the cotton was sold through the Castile market. On 21 August of the same year a cargo from Tripoli, passing through Cyprus, includes salt and gatoni (Sanudo, XXXIX, col. 332)." Here are the books which I've found mention the Venetian cotton trade: Jardine, Lisa Worldly Goods : A New History of the Renaissance W.W. Norton & Company, September 1998 ISBN: 0393318664 Lane, Frederic Venice, a Maritime Republic The Johns Hopkins University Press, November 1973 ISBN: 080181460X Newton, Stella Mary The Dress of the Venetians 1495-1525 Pasold Studies in Textile History 7 Scolar Press, January 1989 ISBN: 0859677354 Thank you for the Mazzaoui reference, whoever that was. I shall have to see if I can get a copy through my library. Cheers, Tina ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Lady Lucrezia-Isabella di Freccia | mka Tina Nevin Thamesreach Shire, The Isles, Drachenwald | London, UK thorngrove@geocities.com | http://www.geocities.com/~thorngrove "There is no doubt that great leaders prefer hard drinkers to good versifiers" - Aretino, 1536 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 06:23:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA04389 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 06:23:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id FAA21271; Thu, 20 May 1999 05:38:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA10303 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 05:32:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Princeton.EDU (outbound2.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.120]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id FAA10295 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 05:32:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.Princeton.EDU (mail.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.14]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02346 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from witsend2 (witsend2.Princeton.EDU [128.112.234.12]) by mail.Princeton.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA27619 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:32:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "GRM Files" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: gifted student Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:32:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bea2b4$797730e0$0cea7080@witsend2.Princeton.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3743398B.DBD868AC@inreach.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "GRM Files" I feel there is insufficient information regarding this gifted student. As I understand it, the request to review the costume portfolio was made by the art teacher. So: who said the father felt the activity was beneath the child? The art teacher? The child? Also: as I recall the description, the child used Tom Tierney paper dolls as models on which to create her costumes. I can imagine a father seeing his daughter do what he perceives as "tracing" as an art project and feel that her creativity warrants more than such an exercise. Lastly, if the child receives positive feedback--particularly from an "expert"--regarding her work, it will help her to make her own decisions, now as well as later. Many years ago when (as an adult, of course!) I elected to work as a first-grade teacher, a lot of people who knew me asked "Why are you wasting yourself teaching first grade?" I didn't "waste" my time trying to explain the challenge, creativity, and satisfaction of that endeavor. I just told them it was because that was what I wanted to do then. So the other thing I have to say about this topic (besides that there is not enough data to understand the context of the father's concerns) is that not everyone WILL get the same smell from the identical flower. (I left first-grade teaching decades ago, and--as Mae West once said, have "been things and done places, and still haven't decided what I want to do when I grow up. As William Birner's postings on this subject clearly demonstrate, we CAN do many things with one life!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 07:46:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA06499 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:46:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA27027; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:01:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA17450 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 06:56:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA17438; Thu, 20 May 1999 06:56:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-108.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.108]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17945; Thu, 20 May 1999 08:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37440571.1D0F9AC0@tymeportal.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:52:01 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: f-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: F-COST: Gifted Student References: <000101bea178$2a77e300$bc9faccf@costume> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah > The clincher is... her Dad highly opposes her working on the costume > renderings. He thinks this is beneath her intelligence. > > She uses the doll bodies to trace then she draws her own costumes on them. gee, now why didn't *I* think of that. :)I had someone show me how to do figures at a young age and I just went from there. mine was all strictly from observation. While I didn't do alot of design at the time, I was very much interested in styles I received NO encouragement WHATSOEVER in ANYTHING I found of great interest - primarily drama, I wanted to act so badly. Being as that was the case, I simply dealt with the limitations and being as I was not to be dissuaded, simply put off what I really wanted to do. Ok, so I'm not acting ... but I AM getting to make wonderful clothes from history. I have learned MORE about historical events DOING costume than I EVER did in school. had I been more far sighted, I would have payed closer attention to the "when something was worn" I mean, it all comes back to me as..."OH YEAH!" and therefore makes research much easier.... Maybe...if it was approached in this way -- addressed as a temporary measure, until she's old enough to make her own decisions, this could eventually win her parents support. Also, figures and information regarding costuming as NOT being MENIAL seamstress work may help as well. > Any suggestions as how to deal with this situation? Has anyone dealt with > people who think you are beneath them because of your costuming > profession/interest? Would you go on and feed the young mind? Did your > parents not like your costuming gifts? I have run into comments (after I say I am a costume/clothing designer) "oh, I sew too" I don't kmow if it's an attempt to belittle my profession, or, being as I sew and create, they want to elevate themselves from what they consider menial in their own day to day, by saying "Oh, I can do that too" _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 08:14:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07290 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 08:13:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA29654; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:28:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA20671 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:22:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA20664 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:22:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA06643 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 09:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16573 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 09:22:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:22:51 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim In-Reply-To: <199905200225.TAA23356@smtp.pacifier.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: aleed > > This happened to my Laurel once, before she was elevated. She spent so much time hand > > sewing an Italian Ren dress out of blue linen, using linen thread and even sewing with a > > bone needle. She did not embellish it much if at all (heck, she was still hemming it on her > > way to the event where the competition was being held-- and she was driving at the time! > > Yes, we yelled at her about that) but she did not do well in the competition because the > > judges gave her poor marks in complexity. Phooie! =P The dress was well made, draped > > beautifully and its lines were very authentic for that period. That is a problem with earlier period clothing--the fitting can be just as complex, if not more complex, for a cotehardie than for a 16th century bodice & skirt, but people's eyes are more easily drawn to elaborate decoration than to beautifully cut and draped linen. A lot of the earlier period garments look great on the person--but like a shapeless sack on a hanger. Drea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 08:38:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07883 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 08:38:58 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA02563; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:53:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA23537 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu10.smtp.email.msn.com [207.46.181.60]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA23528 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:47:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.213 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 May 1999 06:47:26 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Gifted Student Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:50:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bea2c8$4df7d8c0$1a0bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" It's important to reach into a person's mind where they are, and if she 's so fixated with costume, show her parents that it is the mental outline for her, to which all facts pertaining to history, material culture, design can be attached and incorporated into her brain. I could never keep history straight when I was in school until I took art history. History seemed to be a series of kings, queens, and dates, which I couldn't remember. I could understand the life styles of each period, and I like that part. When I took art history, I found I had a knack for seeing the differences and development in the visual things, and had no trouble dating an item correctly. Voila! Suddenly it became the mental fabric I needed in order to keep the rest of history straighter in my head. Now that I've studied costume, my grasp on history and material culture has advanced by light years. I can remember an Elizabethan costume, and all the material details, paintings, persons wearing them, and now for the first time kings, queens, and dates. But costume as the visual image is the construct on which all of the other understandings hang. Your student might be a "visual learner" like me. Explain to her parents that costume is her vehicle for learning presently, and has serious merit in that it that it helps her reach and put in order a vast world of "more academically acceptable" types of knowledge. One of my son's pervading interests for a long time was guns, much to my distress. It finally occurred to me to look at guns as his vehicle for learning. It really calmed me. We went to Williamsburg, and at five years old, he peppered the gunsmith with so many intelligent questions for over 1/2 hour, that the other visitors just held quiet and learned from the answers. He asked many intelligent questions we adults had never head of. From there is was books on battles, including The Iliad, which he loved. Books on explorers like Sir Francis Drake, "the Pirate" with all the adventure, strategy, material culture, and history. His interest in guns appears very little any more, but it was the point upon which we took off into the greater world. Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Frank&Tracy Thallas JR Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 8:57 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Gifted Student -Poster: "Frank&Tracy Thallas JR" Greetings! I've been reading the responses to this subject with interest - our group "demo-s" for the local "gifted" classes almost every year, and the parents have always been extremely supportive. First, please don't encourage the girl to go against her father's wishes - this could lead to big trouble for the girl AND yourself - nasty notes to the schoolboard, etc, aren't going to do anyone any good. However, perhaps the girl's counselor or someone the father would listen to could speak to him - talents should never be squashed, and our "fantasy" lives are extremely important for happiness and development, especially for young people. You can't grow up and cure cancer or build the first light-speed spaceship if you're locked up in the Neurosis Farm.... And has anyone heard from her mother? Perhaps that might be path to take. Or encourage the history teacher, art teacher, whoever, to work in a short unit covering such interests - clothing, after all, has always said so much about the society it comes from! Good Luck to you and this young lady, Liadain ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 09:37:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09498 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 09:37:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA09907; Thu, 20 May 1999 08:51:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA02515 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 08:46:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otma1.state.de.us (hidest.state.de.us [167.21.1.112]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA02501 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 08:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bangate.state.de.us (bangate.state.de.us [167.21.4.130]) by otma1.state.de.us (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18649 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bangate.state.de.us with VINES-ISMTP; Thu, 20 May 99 10:47:03 EDT Date: Thu, 20 May 99 10:46:13 EDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "David W. Rickman" Subject: H-COST: From Jupon to zipun X-Incognito-SN: 378 X-Incognito-Version: 4.11.23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "David W. Rickman" - -Poster: Christina Nevin Hello, Christina Nevin has come up with some interesting references to cotton fabric in Renaissance Italy. While I have no interest in reviving the so-called "cotton wars" of a few years back (for those of you who remember them), it is sufficient to say that we went into this question from a bewildering variety of angles and I still came away with the belief that linen, silk and wool were the common clothing fabrics of Europe until the 18th century, when cotton first became widely available and affordable. That aside, I am much more interested in the seeming connection between an earlier thread about Polish coats called "zupans" and the doublets whose makers Christina cites as "giubbonari, zuparii or giubbettieri." Is there a connection between the Italian words for doublets, the French word "jupon," the later Polish coat called a zupan (pronounced "zhupan" as someone pointed out), the Ukranian fitted coat called by the same name, and a heavy, often quilted, coat from Russia called a "zipun?" It seems likely to me that these garments, though at times differing widely in their cut and function, might have a common linguistic tie. Can anyone comment? David Rickman drickman@state.de.us _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 11:05:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11886 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 11:05:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA23213; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:20:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA21047 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:14:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p2.acadia.net (root@p2.acadia.net [205.217.210.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA21013 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:14:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.217.218.115] (ell44.acadia.net [205.217.218.28]) by p2.acadia.net (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA13603 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:14:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: pulliam@post.acadia.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:14:54 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: pulliam@acadia.net (Deborah Pulliam) Subject: H-COST: Gifted Student Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: pulliam@acadia.net (Deborah Pulliam) <> Did it never occur to you they just might possibly have wanted to establish some rapport with you, and share a love of mutual interests? Your only two reactions are that people are specifically out to belittle you, or they're beneath you in their menial lives. I think there are many other motives, quite benigh, that might cause some one to say "I sew too." Your attitude seems closer to the father of the gifted child, although in a different direction, than I would be comfortable with. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 11:10:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12044 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 11:10:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA24059; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:24:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA22195 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA22163 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08474 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 09:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3744364C.F65C49D@serv.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:20:28 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: RE Cotton References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover I wish I could quote a source but I am at work. I believe that "cotton-wool" does not mean that the fibers were cotton. Cotton, in fact, was a technique used on wool in the period that you mention, not a fiber. I distinctly remember being warned not to confuse the two terms in the early years of cotton production. If you look in today's dictionary it will say that cotton wool is cotton before it's been processed in any way, the fluff taken right off the plant. If I'm not mistaken (and this is always possible *g*) the plant that we know today as cotton was named as such because it resembled the fluff on "cottoned" wool. Can someone back me up? Cynthia > "Whilst discussing the doublet-makers (known as giubbonari, zuparii or > giubbettieri), Newton relates after 1219 they were governed by similar rules > to other types of tailor. She notes that "materials other then cloth - > leather and cotton-wool, for instance" were used in making doublets, or > zupon. -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 11:11:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12115 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 11:11:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA24225; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:25:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA22338 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:19:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [209.63.222.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id KAA22223 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 13614 invoked from network); 20 May 1999 16:22:18 -0000 Received: from p77.sac3.2xtreme.net (HELO 2xtreme.net) (209.63.218.77) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 20 May 1999 16:22:18 -0000 Message-ID: <3744344D.717EDEFE@2xtreme.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:11:57 -0700 From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Period Patterns and other stuff References: <4.1.19990221012956.00be3b40@pop.slip.net> <36D17136.D8929EC9@earthlink.net> <36D1AEB1.DCD4188B@wenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Stephen Bergdahl Dear List Members I have just posted some a few Period Patterns and some Folkwear on Ebay. As well as some Paste Sequins for the 1900, and of all things Klingon Jewelry. http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=madly&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 I will be posting more patterns next week. Yours Stephen Bergdahl _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 11:28:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12443 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 11:28:44 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA26920; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:43:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA26225 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:37:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA26203 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:37:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-108.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.108]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26552 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37443956.9DC57031@tymeportal.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:33:26 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Gifted Student References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah > -Poster: pulliam@acadia.net (Deborah Pulliam) > Did it never occur to you they just might possibly have wanted to establish > some rapport with you, and share a love of mutual interests? Your only two > reactions are that people are specifically out to belittle you, or they're > beneath you in their menial lives. I think there are many other motives, > quite benigh, that might cause some one to say "I sew too." it was NOT meant in that manner! and I do NOT look at myself as above them. You don't know where these comments were made, or in the manner in which they were made, because I didn't share that with u. from a several of the comments like that, yes, in talking to the person (and I DO talk to them - I kno you think I 'dismissed' them, and that simply wasn't the case), it was OBVIOUS they were trying to establish a rapport. and others, I agree in presentation, it was benign, just a passing comment. and then there WERE the comments made that were MEANT to be taken just as they were received. > Your attitude seems closer to the father of the gifted child, although in a > different direction, than I would be comfortable with. I won't address this comment. you are entitled to your opinion. it was NOT my intent to start a flame war. *my* comment was meant in a benign manner as well. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 11:37:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12699 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 11:37:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA28050; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:50:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA27913 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:45:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA27890 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wizzer ([12.76.115.141]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990520164446.BHTE26240@wizzer> for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:44:46 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990520124234.008b2520@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: kimberlygilbert@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:42:34 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kimberly Gilbert Subject: Re: H-COST: Gifted Student In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kimberly Gilbert >Did it never occur to you they just might possibly have wanted to establish >some rapport with you, and share a love of mutual interests? Not usually. I've had way too many conversations like this, and while there are a few people who are trying to share a mutual interest, I've finished up a lot more conversations feeling like I'd been put down. This ONLY has happened with things people think are "easy." I don't get it now that I'm an education major. It's not an easy little hobby type job. Kimberly Kimberly Gilbert kimberlygilbert@worldnet.att.net "This is terrible news! Do you actually intend to kill your enemies? Can't you just speak sternly to them?" _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 14:23:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17303 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:23:30 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA26846; Thu, 20 May 1999 13:36:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA03776 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 13:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA03690 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 13:30:38 -0600 (MDT) From: AliaClaire@aol.com Received: from AliaClaire@aol.com (585) by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6WTPa02575 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42ca8ba8.2475bc92@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:29:22 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Gifted Student To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 11 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AliaClaire@aol.com I have been trying to keep my mouth shut on this subject, but as usual, I've failed.... I feel so much for this girl. I've been classified as a "gifted" student since I was in the third grade (I'm now a senior in high school after skipping a year). When you're classified as this, people DO have higher expectations! For example, as I'm leaving to take the AP Am. History test last week, my teacher pulls me aside- "Alison, you do know I'm expecting you to score highest on this". No pressure at all.... But my parents have been the worst. And they are TOTALLY against my decision to study costume design in college...the only way I'm allowed to major in theatre (and since they're footing a good part of the bill, I'm not complaining) is if I have a double major. Therefor, I will also have a degree in education. Probably not a bad idea, but it's a lot of credit hours I'd like to use elsewhere. I'd encourage this girl to take as wide a range of classes as she can-definitely all the art available, but also upper level maths and sciences as far as possible (I've kind of ended up in calc, and that's as far as I can go in math. I'm totally lost), and especially social sciences and humanities, which will lend themselves to the study of costuming. Tell her not to give up, but also not to keep this a little talent. In high school, see if she can do volunteer work at a local theatre to start learning practical applications of the work. Once you have a resume and start to look like you actually are going somewhere with this, parents change from when it's just a "waste of time". I know my father started looking at me differently when I got a paying job as a theatrical costumer and an offer to help costume guides at Stan Hywett Hall this summer. Let her know if she ever wants to talk, she can feel free to e-mail me. Mostly, though, diversify yourself, but never give up what you love. -Alison Stacy AliaClaire@aol.com Canton, Ohio _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 16:15:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20422 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:15:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA16932; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:29:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA03714 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:24:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sleepy.usu.edu (sleepy.usu.edu [129.123.1.85]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA03650 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:23:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.123.250.26] ("port 2048"@ppp26.pm4.usu.edu [129.123.250.26]) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #30472) with ESMTP id <01JBFBAEFNOA9KMV78@cc.usu.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:23:52 MST Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:33:33 -0600 From: Karalee Larsen Pugmire Subject: H-COST: Re: 1200s trim and the southern italians. In-reply-to: X-Sender: Francesca.da.Bari@pop.netaddress.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Karalee Larsen Pugmire > >I have other books by Mazzaoui, but not the one you mention. I would be >interested to learn what she says about the cotton trade. I note you >mentioned men's clothing in particular, so I wonder what specific garments >cotton was used for -- and where. Italian clothing is quite different from >Northern and Western European clothing, in many regards (cut, color, >silhouette). I suspect that availability/preference for different types of >cloth contributes to some of that difference. Dear Robin, I think I missunderstood you. Forgive me. I am currently researching 13th century southern italian garb. It's interesting because the medieval Kingdom of Sicily reached it's pinicle during this century and then crashed and split, Sicilian Vespers being in the middle of the century which split the kingdom in to two. Many of the masters who taught the great masters who began the Enlightenment appearently were refugees who fled the choas and went north to Emperial friendly cities in the north. What descriptions I have of Frederick II of Sicily say that he was more like an Eastern prince than a christian. He bathed every day (which was enough to be weird). His queens lived and died in harems. The history, the heat of being only a few hundred miles from the Sahara, and the fact that christians rubbed shoulders with both Arabs (who still practiced Islam) and Jews and were tolerant of their religions though could not convert creates a fasinating dynamic. Fashion would have been part of that dynamic. As far as I can tell the people of Frederick's court would have worn home grown silk at court and perhaps home grown (and northern italian produced) cotton. I have no solid evidence of this since no one cares about southern italy or her history even to this day except a few of us. The research is very cutting edge (or perhaps not even tried). The authors who center their work on this region say that the biggest difficulties they have is the fact that to study southern Italy one must know Greek, Latin, and Arabic to say nothing of medieval Pugliese, medieval Napolitese, medieval Siciliano and medieval Calibrese. They say there aren't any currently publishing who know all three to an exceptable level. Given these problems and conditions what little I've learned is tantilizing but incomplete. I have one bust from the Castel del Monte which looks as though she might be wearing a cyclas. I've lived in Southern italy and I can't imagine that she's wearing wool. I found a site with pictures of some mosics from a cathedral in Monreale Sicily but they are a hundred years earlier. The people in the pictures might be wearing silk but I'm not sure. Isn't there anyone out there who can tell me a little more about 13th century Italian clothing or might know where I can get references to look for Southern Italian garb? The histroy makes me wonder if their fashion was unique or if each ethnic group had its own garb and as they had their own religion. Can anyone help? Francesca da Bari Cote du Ciel (Logan, Utah) Francesca.da.Bari _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 16:24:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20680 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:24:39 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA18247; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:39:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA07055 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:33:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grumpy.usu.edu (grumpy.usu.edu [129.123.1.86]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA06910 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:33:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.123.250.26] ("port 2048"@ppp26.pm4.usu.edu [129.123.250.26]) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #30472) with ESMTP id <01JBFBMBPE4M9QW0GM@cc.usu.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:33:28 MST Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:43:10 -0600 From: Karalee Larsen Pugmire Subject: Re: H-COST: Cotton was Re: 1200s trim In-reply-to: <3742D739.1E8B@uvm.edu> X-Sender: Francesca.da.Bari@pop.netaddress.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199905151553.RAA18275@worldonline.nl> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Karalee Larsen Pugmire >-Poster: Hope Greenberg > >Karalee Larsen Pugmire wrote: >> I just finished the book The Italian Cotton Industry in the later >> Middle Ages 1100-1600 by Maureen Fennell Mazzaoui which clearly >> demonstrates that Cotton is medieval. Before 1100 she says cotton was >> billed much like silk as a luxury item. It was the Italian mass >> marketing murchant houses that made it into a common man's clothing. >> So I would say that cotton was a medieval fiber. > >This is fascinating. Did it mention how cotton was used? For that >matter, couold anyone comment or point me to sources on how any of the >other textiles were used, say for the period 1400-1600. For example, a >recent source that I read talked about the Roman use of cotton for >buntings and draperies, not necessarily for clothing. > Ms. Mazzaoui said the cotton from Sicily, Spain, and north africa as well as Turkish cotton was used in sail cloth and ruff cotton. Cotton from Apulia (the highest grade of the cheap stuff) and the Eastern countries along the Meditranian (particularly Damascas and its suburbs) were soft and used in clothing. She said that cotton was being mass produced at such a rate that poor people had cotton clothing (at least in northern italy) by 1600. I got the book on interlibrary loan. I strongly suggest that you read it since it also talked about the German and Flemish cotton production which was making cotton available and wearable by more people in the north by 1400. She also mentions textile methods, the guilds, the problems of keeping skilled workers in Northern Italy's volitile political climate and so on. A fascinating read. Francesca da Bari Cote du Ciel (Logan, Utah) Francesca.da.Bari _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 18:00:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23181 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 18:00:51 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA03473; Thu, 20 May 1999 17:15:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA07384 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 17:09:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA07368 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 17:09:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id IAA30574 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:39:48 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA03699; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:48:40 +0930 Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:46:48 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Thu, 20 May 1999, aleed wrote: > > That is a problem with earlier period clothing--the fitting can be just as > complex, if not more complex, for a cotehardie than for a 16th century > bodice & skirt, but people's eyes are more easily drawn to elaborate > decoration than to beautifully cut and draped linen. A lot of the earlier > period garments look great on the person--but like a shapeless sack on a > hanger. > Agreed. It's very disconcerting when you make a cote-hardie that is practically a sculpture in the way it accomodates 3D forms, and then put it on a hanger and bleah! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 20:00:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26324 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 20:00:37 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA15447; Thu, 20 May 1999 19:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA23411 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 19:08:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dodo.prod.itd.earthlink.net (dodo.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.99]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA23405 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 19:08:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumemag.com (1Cust165.tnt1.denver.co.da.uu.net [63.14.39.165]) by dodo.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21129 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 18:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3744B29B.A69EB93B@costumemag.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:10:50 -0600 From: Mary Denise Smith Organization: Costume & Dressmaker Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim now garments on display References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Mary Denise Smith Greetings List, Having participated in and judged a few A&S competitions, may I offer this? Put your garment on a mannequin or dress form. When this isn't practical (4 people plus stuff in the car, etc.), place a very good framed photograph of yourself wearing the garment and all the accessories next to the piece, along with your documentation. If you can manage it, don't hang the garment on a clothes rack with all the other wonderful pieces that look great on but resemble potato sacks on the hanger. Make a stand that has a nice wooden hanger at the top, a wooden dowel about 18" high and a nice base (think a hat stand with the hanger instead of the dome). Place this on a table with your photo and documentation, with the arms and skirt of the garment artfully draped over the table. Hope this helps, Mary Denise Smith Costume & Dressmaker Press Publications for Serious Costumers http://www.costumemag.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 23:01:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA31313 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:01:51 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA03287; Thu, 20 May 1999 22:13:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA12683 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 22:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id WAA12673 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 22:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25351 invoked from network); 21 May 1999 04:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.quiknet.com) (207.231.70.10) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 21 May 1999 04:01:59 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19990520210815.2fbf93f4@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: RE Cotton Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 09:20 AM 05/20/1999 -0700, Merouda the True of Bornover wrote: > >-Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > >I wish I could quote a source but I am at work. I believe that "cotton-wool" >does not mean that the fibers were cotton. Cotton, in fact, was a technique >used on wool in the period that you mention, not a fiber. I distinctly remember >being warned not to confuse the two terms in the early years of cotton >production. If you look in today's dictionary it will say that cotton wool is >cotton before it's been processed in any way, the fluff taken right off the >plant. If I'm not mistaken (and this is always possible *g*) the plant that we >know today as cotton was named as such because it resembled the fluff on >"cottoned" wool. Can someone back me up? Cynthia The trusty OED has about 2 pages about "cotton" and adjectives derived from it. One of the obsolete noun meanings is "A woolen fabric of the nature of frieze, in the 16th and 17th c. largely manufactured in Lancashire, Westmoreland, and Wales (_Manchester_, _Kendal_ and _Welsh cotton_)." It suggests that the name "cotton" as applied to these wool fabrics is associated with the presence of a nap or downy surface. As a verb, an obsolete meaning is "to form a down or nap on; to furnish with a nap, to frieze." A cottoned cloth is one that has a nap or is friezed. A cottoner is "one who cottons, friezes, or puts a nap on cloth." And "the action of friezing cloth" is called cottoning. The word "cotton" is apparently derived from the Arabic "qutn, qutun"; in Spanish Arabic, "qoton"; in Old Spanish, "coton"; in Portuguese, "cotao"; in Italian, "cotone"; in archaic French and Provencal, "coton"; and in Middle English, "coton" or "cotoun". Given the apparent southern source (from India via Arabic traders) for cotton fabrics, it seems logical that they would be used mostly in the southern part of Europe. But in the rainy, cold northern areas, I know that *I* would want a good wool outer garment for comfort's sake. Wet cotton cloth is clammy . Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 20 23:11:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA31576 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:11:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA04081; Thu, 20 May 1999 22:25:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA13768 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 22:19:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA13757 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 22:19:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.173] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 10kgmL-0003XL-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 May 1999 21:19:26 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:20:23 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: H-COST: Wagon Train in the Foothills near Placerville/Sacramento In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19990520210815.2fbf93f4@mail2.quiknet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" I know someone was talking about this a while back. Perhaps Mr. Rickman, or Ms. Jurancich? In any case--whoever you may be--I would be grateful if you would please contact me [[if you have the contact info. for the people who run the event]. My best friend's 11 year old is studying the Westward movement and really, really would like to go on this trip, if at all possible, so I thought I'd see what I could find out on her and her mother's behalves. Thank you very much. Carol Cannon _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 06:17:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA08958 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 06:17:03 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id FAA24831; Fri, 21 May 1999 05:28:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA21428 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 05:23:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay02.netaddress.usa.net (relay02.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.182]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id FAA21407 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 05:23:05 -0600 (MDT) From: griffinhold@usa.net Received: (qmail 25578 invoked from network); 21 May 1999 11:23:04 -0000 Received: from nw175.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.75) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 21 May 1999 11:23:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 376 invoked by uid 60001); 21 May 1999 11:23:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19990521112304.375.qmail@nw175.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.75 by nw175 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.135) on Fri May 21 11:23:04 GMT 1999 Date: 21 May 99 05:23:04 MDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: silk manufacture X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.135) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id GAA08958 Status: O -Poster: griffinhold@usa.net I have a request from someone in the Calabria region of Italy (toe of boot) concerning the manufacturing of silk in southern Italy. He's specifically interested in how the silk was spun, the types of looms used and the type of designs used in Byzantine silk production. He has already gotten information from www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Labyrinth/2398/trade/silk.html and Byzantine Silk Weaving:AD 400 to 1200 by Anna Muthesius. Any other recommendations for source material? I appreciate the help. I have the CIBA review on Byzantine silk coming, but it hasn't arrived yet. Lyn Gillespie ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 08:36:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12728 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:36:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA06428; Fri, 21 May 1999 07:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA05069 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 07:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA05052 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 07:44:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Merlyncc@aol.com Received: from Merlyncc@aol.com (8068) by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6CFa002623 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:43:00 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merlyncc@aol.com In a message dated 5/20/99 6:10:22 PM Central Daylight Time, csmart@physics.adelaide.edu.au writes: > It's very disconcerting when you make a cote-hardie that is > practically a sculpture in the way it accomodates 3D forms, and then > put it on a hanger and bleah! I've enjoyed reading about the beautiful cote-hardies you've been making and wearing. Are you cutting them on straight grain or bias to get the beautiful drape? I've made them, but not with the luxurious draping. My problem may have been with fabric since I didn't use linen or wool. Priscilla Schmitz _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 08:50:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13033 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:50:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA07689; Fri, 21 May 1999 07:58:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA06177 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 07:53:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id HAA06169 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 07:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 4310 invoked from network); 21 May 1999 13:52:43 -0000 Received: from userk905.uk.uudial.com (HELO ) (193.149.72.227) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 21 May 1999 13:52:43 -0000 Message-ID: <3745C5A9.6B86@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:44:25 -0700 From: Viv Watkins X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Jupon, zipun and now, acton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Viv Watkins Hello After I read David's post about Jupons, it reminded me of the connection between actons and cotton. I went and looked up "Acton" in the Oxford English Dictionary and found "Auqueton - Old French 12th C. Later 15/16th C - Hacqueton, Hacton - cotton wool, padding, whence a padded and quilted jacket. Spanish, Alcaton, Algodon - cotton, bombast. Arab - Qutunal, qutn - the cotton. Acton is the lineal descent of the Middle English forms." The earliest quote given is 1300 "withouten cotoned aketoun, oither plate, oither gaumbisoun". Also, Chaucer, 1386, Sir Thopas. "And next his shirt an aketoun, And over that an haberjoun." So, I looked up - "Gambeson. Probably from the Old Teut wanba meaning belly. A protection for the trunk and thighs, leather or thick cloth, sometimes padded." And while I was at it, I looked up - "Hauberk. Old English Halsbeorg from Old Norse hals - neck and bergen - to cover, protect. - A piece of defensive armour originally for the defence of the neck and shoulders but 12/13C developed into a long coat of mail." I also looked up - "Jupe. From the Arab jubbah, jibbah with derivative forms of - Gipel, Gipon, Gippo and Jupon - a loose jacket, kirtle or tunic worn by men." "Jupon. Old French - Juppon, Gip(p)on - a close fitting tunic or doublet esp. worn under the hauberk, sometimes of thick stuff and padded, later, a sleeveless surcoat worn outside the armour of rich material and embellished with arms." I couldn't find any references to Polish, Russian or Ukranian but, I does sound as if the words come from the same root. I couldn't find any reference to cotton wool being anything other than raw, un-spun cotton. Viv Watkins. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 09:21:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14027 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:21:21 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA12522; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:34:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA11405 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:28:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA11386 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:28:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990521142845.FITT18849.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com>; Fri, 21 May 1999 07:28:45 -0700 Message-ID: <37456D9A.1E8812AE@home.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:28:42 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Costumers@onelist.com" , "h-costume-digest@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: Sewing Machine Question Cross-post Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kat & Kent I just got a flyer about a public sale of Singer Sew & Serge machines. I have a White Jeans machine that I presently use and no serger. Does anyone else have one of these (apparently overstock from their education department) and what do you think? The add price is $199. TIA for any info!! Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 09:35:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14333 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:35:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA14153; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA13859 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:43:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id IAA13833 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:43:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA22638 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:40:10 -0400 Message-ID: <021301bea398$cc5f32a0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Sewing Machine Question Cross-post Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:47:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" Well, if I had the chance for a good condition singer serger for $200, I'd jump at it... I have seen them as high as $800 around here. Sarah >I just got a flyer about a public sale of Singer Sew & Serge machines. >I have a White Jeans machine that I presently use and no serger. Does >anyone else have one of these (apparently overstock from their education >department) and what do you think? The add price is $199. TIA for any >info!! > >Kat > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 09:46:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14600 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:45:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA15768; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:59:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA15815 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:53:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA15795 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:53:34 -0600 (MDT) From: M311@aol.com Received: from M311@aol.com (14415) by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6SXTa02629 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:52:27 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Sewing Machine Question Cross-post To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: M311@aol.com In a message dated 5/21/99 9:29:07 AM Central Daylight Time, kdyer@home.com writes: << I just got a flyer about a public sale of Singer Sew & Serge machines. I have a White Jeans machine that I presently use and no serger. Does anyone else have one of these (apparently overstock from their education department) and what do you think? The add price is $199. TIA for any info!! >> I know last year this was discussed on another list. I can't remember all the reasons but they said buyer beware. Is this one of the traveling sales? If so----Part was if something goes wrong the company is gone and hard to find. Kelly Albrecht m311@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 10:54:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16485 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:54:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA27677; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:06:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA28928 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:00:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fw0.transarc.com (xfw.transarc.com [192.54.226.51]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA28895 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:00:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.transarc.com (mailhost.transarc.com [158.98.16.250]) by fw0.transarc.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id LAA61002 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 11:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from transarc.com (mirv.transarc.com [158.98.4.32]) by mailhost.transarc.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA29302 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 11:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37458309.86F06480@transarc.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:00:09 -0400 From: Megan Irvine Organization: Transarc Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Sewing Machine Question Cross-post References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Megan Irvine M311@aol.com wrote: > > -Poster: M311@aol.com > > In a message dated 5/21/99 9:29:07 AM Central Daylight Time, kdyer@home.com > writes: > > << > I just got a flyer about a public sale of Singer Sew & Serge machines. > I have a White Jeans machine that I presently use and no serger. Does > anyone else have one of these (apparently overstock from their education > department) and what do you think? The add price is $199. TIA for any > info!! > >> > > I know last year this was discussed on another list. I can't remember all > the reasons but they said buyer beware. Is this one of the traveling sales? > If so----Part was if something goes wrong the company is gone and hard to > find. > Kelly Albrecht > m311@aol.com I have also received this warning. These sales have come to my area before and I have heard that the machines tend to be of poor quality and it's not easy to return them. -- Megan Irvine _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 11:42:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17780 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 11:42:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA06394; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:54:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA09059 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:49:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rrnet.com (root@rrnet.com [206.11.160.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA09049 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:49:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from john (cool.cat.rrnet.com [206.11.160.196]) by rrnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA16762 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 11:49:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199905211649.LAA16762@rrnet.com> X-Sender: baird@rrnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:48:40 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "J,K,S&A Baird" Subject: Re: H-COST: Sewing Machine Question Cross-post In-Reply-To: <37456D9A.1E8812AE@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" As a former sewing machine dealer, who sews and sergers for hours every day, take my word on this: DO NOT BUY A SINGER. You will regret it every time. They are not the company they used to be. Unless you buy a 50 year old, black cast iron Singer, don't waste your money. A serger is a great investment IF you sew on knits or need to neaten a lot of raw edges, or roll hem a lot of tablecloths. You wouldn't use it for sewing clothing from wovens. If you are primarily a quilter, you don't need the serger for that either. Any machine advertised to sew and serge will do NEITHER of those well. If you want a serger, any brand will do. Just be sure to get 3/4 thread capability and differential feed. Do not pay extra for fancy threading features. If you want a better ewing machine than you have, look at Bernina or Janome. Even a used Bernina will be worlds better than any Singer. Kim At 09:28 AM 5/21/99 -0500, you wrote: > >-Poster: Kat & Kent > >I just got a flyer about a public sale of Singer Sew & Serge machines. >I have a White Jeans machine that I presently use and no serger. Does >anyone else have one of these (apparently overstock from their education >department) and what do you think? The add price is $199. TIA for any >info!! > >Kat > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 13:26:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14028 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:26:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA24426; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:33:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA27041 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:28:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.bscn.com (mail.bscn.com [216.60.208.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA27022 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bscn.com (max1-81.bscn.com [216.60.209.100]) by mail.bscn.com (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA28508 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:29:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3745A5B0.76A8AE90@bscn.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:28:01 -0500 From: Eric Davidson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Sewing Machine Question Cross-post References: <199905211649.LAA16762@rrnet.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------626A024734DB7BD5CFFF73D7" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Eric Davidson This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------626A024734DB7BD5CFFF73D7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What would be a good price fof a new or used Serger. J,K,S&A Baird wrote: > -Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" > > As a former sewing machine dealer, who sews and sergers for hours every > day, take my word on this: > DO NOT BUY A SINGER. > You will regret it every time. They are not the company they used to be. > Unless you buy a 50 year old, black cast iron Singer, don't waste your money. > A serger is a great investment IF you sew on knits or need to neaten a lot > of raw edges, or roll hem a lot of tablecloths. You wouldn't use it for > sewing clothing from wovens. If you are primarily a quilter, you don't need > the serger for that either. > Any machine advertised to sew and serge will do NEITHER of those well. > If you want a serger, any brand will do. Just be sure to get 3/4 thread > capability and differential feed. Do not pay extra for fancy threading > features. > If you want a better ewing machine than you have, look at Bernina or > Janome. Even a used Bernina will be worlds better than any Singer. > > Kim > > At 09:28 AM 5/21/99 -0500, you wrote: > > > >-Poster: Kat & Kent > > > >I just got a flyer about a public sale of Singer Sew & Serge machines. > >I have a White Jeans machine that I presently use and no serger. Does > >anyone else have one of these (apparently overstock from their education > >department) and what do you think? The add price is $199. TIA for any > >info!! > > > >Kat > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME --------------626A024734DB7BD5CFFF73D7 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Eric Davidson Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Eric Davidson n: Davidson;Eric email;internet: excel@bscn.com x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------626A024734DB7BD5CFFF73D7-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 13:46:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14557 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:46:39 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA29005; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:59:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA01973 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:53:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otma1.state.de.us (hidest.state.de.us [167.21.1.112]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA01922 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:53:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bangate.state.de.us (bangate.state.de.us [167.21.4.130]) by otma1.state.de.us (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA05993 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 14:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bangate.state.de.us with VINES-ISMTP; Fri, 21 May 99 14:53:45 EDT Date: Fri, 21 May 99 14:53:47 EDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "David W. Rickman" Subject: H-COST: ...no subject... X-Incognito-SN: 378 X-Incognito-Version: 4.11.23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "David W. Rickman" Hello, Just a word of thanks to Viv Watkins for her diligent research into the origins and meanings of the words acton, gambeson, hauberk and, most especially, jupon ("Jupe. From the Arab jubbah, jibbah with derivative forms of - Gipel, Gipon, Gippo and Jupon - a loose jacket, kirtle or tunic worn by men.""Jupon. Old French - Juppon, Gip(p)on - a close fitting tunic or doublet esp. worn under the hauberk, sometimes of thick stuff and padded, later, a sleeveless surcoat worn outside the armour of rich material and embellished with arms"). I felt certain there must be a connection between the Italian, French and English words, but I didn't think that the connection might be Arabic. Without access to, nor the linguistic skills to take advantage of, the Polish, Ukranian and Russian equivilents of the OED, I think I may still feel fairly secure about the connection between zupan and zipun with jupon. But the connection, thanks to Viv, seems to be through the Middle East, perhaps, rather than Central Europe. What fascinating things language and material culture are - at least to those of us who have discovered them. To everyone else this must seem like very small beer. Thanks Viv. David Rickman drickman@state.de.us _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 13:49:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14584 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:49:08 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA29671; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:02:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA02441 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:56:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA02416 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:56:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (morr0684.gti.net [208.216.122.84]) by gti.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22243 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 14:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3745AB0F.579EE210@gti.net> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:50:56 -0400 From: "Deborah-Lisa R." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Sewing Machine Question Cross-post References: <199905211649.LAA16762@rrnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Deborah-Lisa R." Hi Kat & List- I agree that you should probably just get a plain serger rather than a machine that does both sew & serge. In my mind that price is too low for anything that overlocks. But sergers *are* very useful, not just for sewing knits & stretchy material-I love mine, use it to finish the edges on everything. I have a Juki-MO 634DEV that I paid like, $500 maybe 4-5 years ago and I've been very happy w/it. It's a 4-thread overlock but I usually just use 3 threads. By the way this is *not* a plug, I'm not with Juki or anything. -Lisa > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 14:29:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17951 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 14:29:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA06196; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:37:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA09626 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:32:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rrnet.com (root@rrnet.com [206.11.160.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA09607 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from john (blurb.dot.rrnet.com [206.11.183.117]) by rrnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA06438 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 14:32:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199905211932.OAA06438@rrnet.com> X-Sender: baird@rrnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:31:20 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "J,K,S&A Baird" Subject: H-COST: sergers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" Here's a condensed version of what I have learned about sergers in my time as a dealer and sewer/serger: ALL sergers are made by just a few factories in Japan and China--possibly some other oriental countries as well. Sewing machine manufacturers, such as Janome, Bernina, White, Singer, Pfaff--they all have their brand name sergers manufactured to their own specifications, but they don't make them themselves. So, brand doesn't make much difference, except that it's good to buy from a dealer where you can get lessons and support. All brands come in various price levels, cost based partly on quality of construction and partly on "convenience" features, known to dealers as "bells and whistles." You don' t NEED the bells and whistles to have a good, usable serger. You can pay extra for them if you want, but the serger doesn't sew any better because of features like needle stop down swing out presser foot automatic tension settings (don't believe it--you still have to know how to adjust the tensions) automatic threading of any sort--this plays on your fear of threading a serger. They're not that bad anymore--just the earliest ones for the home sewer were difficult to thread. What you do need is 3/4 thread capability and differential feed. Prices are going to vary quite a bit. It will pay to wait for some kind of sale. If a good serger is going to be deleted from the line--that is, not made anymore--you can find a close-out price of up to half off. Dealers or individuals may also sell used models. As long as they have the features you need, they can be a good deal. If you're unsure, it helps to get advice from a friend who knows sergers. The next question will be--what about the cover stitch? If you look at the hem on some knit wear, you will see a double line of topstitching. Underneath, the threads go back and forth between the two lines of stitches. This is done by a specialty serger. Regular sergers do not make this type of seam. If you really need the cover stitch, you can get a machine that converts between regular serging and the cover stitch (they take from 20 minutes to 5 minutes to convert) or you can buy an extra serger that does only the cover and chain stitches. I opted for the separate cover/chain machine. I don't find I use it nearly as often as the regular serger, but I think it was worth it, because I got a real deal on the price. My regular serger is a 2/3/4/5 thread machine. This can do a chain stitch seam and a raw edge overcast at the same time. The only time I use the 5 thread capability is sewing seams on woven fabrics. Look inside your Eddie Bauer khakis and you will see what I mean. Don't buy a 5-thread machine unless you are already comfortable with serging and threading. So, my personal recommendation--look for Bernette or Juki, new or used. Other brands may also be good. Kim _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 14:31:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18578 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 14:31:09 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA07459; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:44:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA10798 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:38:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id NAA10783 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:38:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA11275 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:35:09 -0400 Message-ID: <025001bea3c2$0173c5e0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: sergers Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 15:42:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" Okay, you seem to know a lot about sergers... I know next to nothing, so help me, please. First, what is the number of threads? How does it use them? I mean, so places sell 2 thread ones, etc, etc... Also, I have seen the really inexpensive 'tiny' sergers... are these any good to see if you want to spend the money on a 'good' one, or are they pretty much useless? I have been looking into sergers, since I make costuming for a large number of people (right now I zig-zag edge everything... what a pain!), and it may be useful. But I don't want to invest a large amount of money in a machine I find out I either a.) can't use or b.) just hate to use... so, I was thinking of buying one of the really cheap ones and trying it out... if I got into it, then spending the money. What do you think? Sarah PS. Sorry if that was a bit disjointed writing... I'm trying to juggle work and e-mail. ;-) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 15:09:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10225 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:09:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA13551; Fri, 21 May 1999 14:22:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA17030 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 14:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA17006 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 14:16:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [38.30.47.14] (ip14.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.14]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA26222 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905212016.NAA26222@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: H-COST: Fwd: Re: [antiquecollectors] Digest Number 35 Date: Fri, 21 May 99 16:19:44 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: margo king To: "Historic Costume" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: margo king Subject: Re: [antiquecollectors] Digest Number 35 Sent: 5/21/19 1:43 AM Received: 5/21/99 2:12 PM From: Sandie Bjornson, foremothers@webtv.net Reply-To: Antique Mail List, antiquecollectors@onelist.com To: Antique Mail List, antiquecollectors@onelist.com Dear H Costume list - Thought some of you might be interested in the following email that I received----- Hi list, anyone out there know of someone interested in buying my collection of handmade vintage hankies and linens and lace? Lots of tatting, etc.....also have a collection of Clinton campaign memorbillia that i would like to sell...any help? Sandie Foremother Earth peace, love and hempiness! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ With more than 17 million e-mails exchanged daily... http://www.onelist.com ...ONElist is THE place where the world talks! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 16:02:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11757 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 16:02:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA20973; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:10:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA25654 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:04:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id PAA25584 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:04:01 -0600 (MDT) From: lynnx@mc.net Received: (qmail 14029 invoked from network); 21 May 1999 21:03:59 -0000 Received: from tntmodem2-113.mc.net (HELO HEATHERL) (209.172.134.113) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 21 May 1999 21:03:59 -0000 Message-ID: <3745EA1E.5DF6@mc.net> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:19:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Singers: Ignore this if your machine "karma" stinks References: <199905211828.MAA27066@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: lynnx@mc.net (Kim wrote) > DO NOT BUY A SINGER. > Unless you buy a 50 year old, black cast iron Singer, don't waste > your money. Actually you're o.k. with a 403 (tan w/cream top) - zigzag, cams available for "fancy" stitches. We're talking $15 at a thrift shop plus around $45 worth of tune-up/checkout, including a footpedal. Usual caveat: try before you buy!! This may be The Exception to the rule. In all other matters I defer to Kim. With due respect for Kim's experience! Heather _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 16:25:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12299 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 16:25:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA24316; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA01011 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:33:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.bscn.com (mail.bscn.com [216.60.208.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA00999 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:33:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bscn.com (max2-27.bscn.com [216.60.209.144]) by mail.bscn.com (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA06935 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 16:34:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3745D11C.FDEDA566@bscn.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:33:17 -0500 From: Eric Davidson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume-digest@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: H-Cost Machine Question Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E6799FB9F146611B4E867E32" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Eric Davidson This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E6799FB9F146611B4E867E32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My grand mother just gave me a sowing machine Brand "General" its made in Japan it is made of black cast iron its real heavy. it has a dial adjustment in the arm above the needle that goes from 1 to 6. and a lever in the rear that flips from R to-0 than to f can anyone tell me anything about this sowing machine. --------------E6799FB9F146611B4E867E32 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Eric Davidson Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Eric Davidson n: Davidson;Eric email;internet: excel@bscn.com x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------E6799FB9F146611B4E867E32-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 16:35:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12574 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 16:35:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA25735; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:47:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA02517 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:42:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web4-1.ability.net (root@web4-1.ability.net [216.32.69.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA02507 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:42:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawkeswood.com (betsy.ability.net [216.32.69.235]) by web4-1.ability.net (8.9.1/8.9.1/Pub) with ESMTP id RAA22237 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3745D38A.A3C140CC@hawkeswood.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:43:38 -0400 From: Betsy Delaney Organization: Hawkeswood Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Singers: Ignore this if your machine "karma" stinks References: <199905211828.MAA27066@indra.com> <3745EA1E.5DF6@mc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Betsy Delaney Caveat/caveat: The Singer Fashion Mate, c.1976 (which is what I had) never worked properly - cams and all. The tension was always out of whack, even after professional tuning. On the other hand, my Montgomery Ward, same vintage, cams and all, works very well, even with the abuse I heap on it. -betsy lynnx@mc.net wrote: > > Actually you're o.k. with a 403 (tan w/cream top) - zigzag, cams > available for "fancy" stitches. We're talking $15 at a thrift shop plus > around $45 worth of tune-up/checkout, including a footpedal. Usual > caveat: try before you buy!! This may be The Exception to the rule. In > all other matters I defer to Kim. > > With due respect for Kim's experience! > Heather -- Betsy R. Delaney Webmistress at large ************************************************************************ betsy@hawkeswood.com or betsy@ability.net http://www.hawkeswood.com/, home of Hawkeswood Designs and http://www.Costume-Con.org/, home of Costume-ConNections (If you still have betsy@access.digex.net, change my address *NOW*!) ************************************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 17:00:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13142 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:00:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA29776; Fri, 21 May 1999 16:13:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA06677 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 16:07:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.greatbasin.net (mail.greatbasin.net [207.228.35.39]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA06669 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 16:07:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from danhome (rno-max10-36.gbis.net [207.228.62.164]) by mail.greatbasin.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA26146 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000d01bea3d6$5895e560$a43ee4cf@danhome> From: "Dan Fenwick" To: References: <37456D9A.1E8812AE@home.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Sewing Machine Question Cross-post Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 15:07:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Dan Fenwick" Watch what model and so on they are selling. The prices are valid, but the promotions are fake. My family used to sell sewing machines. The manufacturers all do this kind of thing in an attempt to get more sales, but there is no "Education Department", etc. They frequently try bate and switch tactics and so on. So, it is certainly worth a look, but be carefull. > I just got a flyer about a public sale of Singer Sew & Serge machines. > I have a White Jeans machine that I presently use and no serger. Does > anyone else have one of these (apparently overstock from their education > department) and what do you think? The add price is $199. TIA for any > info!! > > Kat > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 17:29:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13940 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:29:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA03202; Fri, 21 May 1999 16:38:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA10557 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 16:32:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.greatbasin.net (mail.greatbasin.net [207.228.35.39]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA10536 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 16:32:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from danhome (rno-max10-36.gbis.net [207.228.62.164]) by mail.greatbasin.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01787 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002f01bea3d9$dafd0bc0$a43ee4cf@danhome> From: "Dan Fenwick" To: References: <025001bea3c2$0173c5e0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: sergers Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 15:32:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Dan Fenwick" > Also, I have seen the really inexpensive 'tiny' sergers... are these any > good to see if you want to spend the money on a 'good' one, or are they > pretty much useless? I have been looking into sergers, since I make > costuming for a large number of people (right now I zig-zag edge > everything... what a pain!), and it may be useful. But I don't want to > invest a large amount of money in a machine I find out I either a.) can't > use or b.) just hate to use... so, I was thinking of buying one of the > really cheap ones and trying it out... if I got into it, then spending the > money. What do you think? Well, this isn't addressed to me, but I'll through in my 2 cetns worth, anyway... If you buy a really cheep one, you'll probably be unhappy. They don't tend to hold up or preform well. That doesn't mean you need to get an expensive one, but getting a good, name brand machine is your best bet. Go around to various shops and try them out. Have the sales person show you waht they'll do and then ask to try it. Find one you are comfortable with. If you're like my mother or most of the people she sold them to, you'll find that you use it a lot more than your regular sewing machine once you get the hang up it. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 18:15:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15216 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:15:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA08677; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:28:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA17775 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:23:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com [207.46.181.31]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA17764 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.31 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 May 1999 16:22:40 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Re: 1200s trim and the southern Italians. Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:28:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bea3e1$d5c85e40$7a0bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" There was a terrific trade in silk from Turkey to Italy at this time. Turkey was Christian then, and there were hundreds if not thousands of small factories throughout the western end of Turkey. In 1453, when the Ottomans conquered Turkey, silk manufacture in Turkey diminished, due to general turmoil in the country. At this time, the center of manufacture of the best silks on the Mediterranean shifted to Italy, although silk was made in Italy earlier. After the Ottomans, silk manufacture in Turkey consolidated in Bursa, Turkey, and was generated primarily for the court and harem in Istanbul. It was then not exported to the same degree, not only because production and consumption diminished under the Ottomans, but because the Italian manufactures surpassed them in quality. I know nothing about fabric manufacture or imports in Sicily specifically at this time, but what was available anywhere in the Mediterranean must have found itself there, depending on local tastes. Not quotable for scholarly purposes, but it is an interest of mine, and I've accumulated a little general knowledge of it, primarily from my travels in Turkey and visit to the 16th or waist 16th century Silk Market in Bursa. Silks from China and silk manufacturing centers along the Silk Road brought more exotic silks through Turkey for trade to Italy too. Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Karalee Larsen Pugmire Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 5:34 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: 1200s trim and the southern italians. -Poster: Karalee Larsen Pugmire > >I have other books by Mazzaoui, but not the one you mention. I would be >interested to learn what she says about the cotton trade. I note you >mentioned men's clothing in particular, so I wonder what specific garments >cotton was used for -- and where. Italian clothing is quite different from >Northern and Western European clothing, in many regards (cut, color, >silhouette). I suspect that availability/preference for different types of >cloth contributes to some of that difference. Dear Robin, I think I missunderstood you. Forgive me. I am currently researching 13th century southern italian garb. It's interesting because the medieval Kingdom of Sicily reached it's pinicle during this century and then crashed and split, Sicilian Vespers being in the middle of the century which split the kingdom in to two. Many of the masters who taught the great masters who began the Enlightenment appearently were refugees who fled the choas and went north to Emperial friendly cities in the north. What descriptions I have of Frederick II of Sicily say that he was more like an Eastern prince than a christian. He bathed every day (which was enough to be weird). His queens lived and died in harems. The history, the heat of being only a few hundred miles from the Sahara, and the fact that christians rubbed shoulders with both Arabs (who still practiced Islam) and Jews and were tolerant of their religions though could not convert creates a fasinating dynamic. Fashion would have been part of that dynamic. As far as I can tell the people of Frederick's court would have worn home grown silk at court and perhaps home grown (and northern italian produced) cotton. I have no solid evidence of this since no one cares about southern italy or her history even to this day except a few of us. The research is very cutting edge (or perhaps not even tried). The authors who center their work on this region say that the biggest difficulties they have is the fact that to study southern Italy one must know Greek, Latin, and Arabic to say nothing of medieval Pugliese, medieval Napolitese, medieval Siciliano and medieval Calibrese. They say there aren't any currently publishing who know all three to an exceptable level. Given these problems and conditions what little I've learned is tantilizing but incomplete. I have one bust from the Castel del Monte which looks as though she might be wearing a cyclas. I've lived in Southern italy and I can't imagine that she's wearing wool. I found a site with pictures of some mosics from a cathedral in Monreale Sicily but they are a hundred years earlier. The people in the pictures might be wearing silk but I'm not sure. Isn't there anyone out there who can tell me a little more about 13th century Italian clothing or might know where I can get references to look for Southern Italian garb? The histroy makes me wonder if their fashion was unique or if each ethnic group had its own garb and as they had their own religion. Can anyone help? Francesca da Bari Cote du Ciel (Logan, Utah) Francesca.da.Bari ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 18:15:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15221 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:15:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA08760; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:29:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA17855 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:23:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA17833 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:23:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (plasma [129.127.36.10]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id IAA05084 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 08:53:36 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA12304; Sat, 22 May 1999 08:52:58 +0930 Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 08:52:51 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@plasma To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Fri, 21 May 1999 Merlyncc@aol.com wrote: > > -Poster: Merlyncc@aol.com > > In a message dated 5/20/99 6:10:22 PM Central Daylight Time, > csmart@physics.adelaide.edu.au writes: > > > It's very disconcerting when you make a cote-hardie that is > > practically a sculpture in the way it accomodates 3D forms, and then > > put it on a hanger and bleah! > > > I've enjoyed reading about the beautiful cote-hardies you've been making and > wearing. Are you cutting them on straight grain or bias to get the beautiful > drape? I've made them, but not with the luxurious draping. My problem may > have been with fabric since I didn't use linen or wool. > Could be. My favourite is made of a heavy linen-cotton blend and the skirt is cut on the bias. Drapes like a dream.I've made a couple in cotton that don't work quite so well. I've never tried wool, it's too expensive here for me to buy enough, but I have some silk that may be turned into one. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 18:24:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15471 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:24:19 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA09387; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:37:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA18939 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:31:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rrnet.com (root@rrnet.com [206.11.160.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA18919 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:31:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from john (burmese.cat.rrnet.com [206.11.160.214]) by rrnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA01132 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:31:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199905212331.SAA01132@rrnet.com> X-Sender: baird@rrnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 18:31:03 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "J,K,S&A Baird" Subject: Re: H-COST: sergers In-Reply-To: <025001bea3c2$0173c5e0$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" Sarah-- If you are doing a lot of costuming, you definitely need a serger. It sews twice as fast as your regular machine, and does a better job of finishing edges. I'm not sure what you mean by "tiny." My serger is small--smaller than my sewing machine. The larger ones don't have any more sewing room, they are just taller and a little wider to accomodate the bells and whistles. A serger uses one or two needles and one or two loopers. The loopers are underneath, in place of the bobbin on your regular machine. For finishing raw edges, you would use 3 threads--1 needle and 2 loopers. You could use either needle, the left or the right. I usually use the left needle because it gives me a wider covered edge. For sewing actual seams in knits, I use 4 threads--2 needles and 2 loopers. You also use 3 threads for a rolled hem and a lettuce edge. A small, inexpensive machine is fine. But if a machine is too cheap, there must be something wrong with it--expect to pay $400 or more US for a decent serger. There are many books on serging, but the most helpful I have seen is from Threads magazine. I believe it's called Serging Fine Fabrics. Hamilton books has it for $4.95, which is a very good deal. Go out and look. Try them out and check prices. If you find one you have a question about, let me know and I will see if I can help. Kim At 03:42 PM 5/21/99 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Sarah Toney" > >Okay, you seem to know a lot about sergers... I know next to nothing, so >help me, please. First, what is the number of threads? How does it use >them? I mean, so places sell 2 thread ones, etc, etc... > >Also, I have seen the really inexpensive 'tiny' sergers... are these any >good to see if you want to spend the money on a 'good' one, or are they >pretty much useless? I have been looking into sergers, since I make >costuming for a large number of people (right now I zig-zag edge >everything... what a pain!), and it may be useful. But I don't want to >invest a large amount of money in a machine I find out I either a.) can't >use or b.) just hate to use... so, I was thinking of buying one of the >really cheap ones and trying it out... if I got into it, then spending the >money. What do you think? > >Sarah > >PS. Sorry if that was a bit disjointed writing... I'm trying to juggle work >and e-mail. ;-) > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 18:41:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15994 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:41:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA10959; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:55:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA21046 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA21032 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:49:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (morr0668.gti.net [208.216.122.68]) by gti.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA21723 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3745EFD0.2371815B@gti.net> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:44:17 -0400 From: "Deborah-Lisa R." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: sergers References: <199905212331.SAA01132@rrnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Deborah-Lisa R." > >Also, I have seen the really inexpensive 'tiny' sergers... are these any > >good to see if you want to spend the money on a 'good' one, or are they > >pretty much useless? I think those tiny, little sergers are for traveling, perhaps? I don't know-I have only seen them in the store & have never really used one, but I really don't think those things could possibly compare to a good overlock machine that can serge through denim. Seriously, if you do alot of sewing it will be to your benefit to invest in a quality serger-you will not regret it. And they really aren't all that difficult to thread or use, especially if you already know how to sew pretty well. Really! Trust me! -Lisa R. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 18:42:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16002 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:42:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA11046; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:55:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA21094 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:50:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp6.jps.net (smtp6.jps.net [209.63.224.103]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA21073 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:50:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.63.113.179] (209-63-113-179.sea.jps.net [209.63.113.179]) by smtp6.jps.net (8.9.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07259 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 16:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905212350.QAA07259@smtp6.jps.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:51:26 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: H-Cost Machine Question From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "R.L. Shep" What does it sow? Beans or corn? Sorry about that but I ccouldn't help it! ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.mcn.org/e/fsbks ---------- >From: Eric Davidson >To: "h-costume-digest@indra.com" >Subject: H-COST: H-Cost Machine Question >Date: Fri, May 21, 1999, 2:33 PM > >My grand mother just gave me a sowing machine Brand "General" its made >in Japan it is made of black cast iron its real heavy. it has a dial >adjustment in the arm above the needle that goes from 1 to 6. and a >lever in the rear that flips from R to-0 than to f can anyone tell me >anything about this sowing machine. > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 19:10:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16592 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:10:10 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA12705; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:18:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA23340 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:12:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA23301 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:12:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 207.172.101.70 (207-172-62-216.s216.tnt2.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.62.216]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA12158 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3745A265.19D9@erols.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 18:13:57 +0000 From: DC X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Star Wars References: <199905211828.MAA27066@indra.com> <3745EA1E.5DF6@mc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: DC One major comment on Star Wars: I want Queen Amidala's gowns in my size NOW! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 19:23:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA17052 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:23:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA13352; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:26:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA24338 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (smtp1.mindspring.com [207.69.200.31]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA24329 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:20:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (user-2ivehn9.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.70.233]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13935 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005101bea3e8$e047e1e0$e946f7a5@pavilion> From: "Megan McHugh" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Sewing Machine Question Cross-post Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:20:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Megan McHugh" >What would be a good price fof a new or used Serger. > I bought one at Sears last year for about $300 on sale (the better one of the two models they had at the time) and it works for me. It does not have the "cover stitch" the $1000 machines may have, but, then again, I don't sew much knit fabric anyway, so could not justify the extraordinary difference in price for a few T shirts _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 19:25:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA17073 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:25:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA13161; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:23:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA24053 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:18:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from prefetch-atm.san.rr.com (root@ns1.san.rr.com [204.210.0.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA24044 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:18:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from san.rr.com (dt0a2n84.san.rr.com [204.210.45.132]) by prefetch-atm.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07881 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3745FC88.8ED52052@san.rr.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:38:32 -0700 From: Maria Fowler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Stained dress References: <36FBF51E.7710@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Maria Fowler This is off-topic, but I don't know what to do. My toddler was wearing a white dress with winnie the pooh on it and spilled apple cidar all down the front. When I got home, I immediately washed it, the stains are still there. Then I tried soaking it several times in all fabric bleach, again the stains remained. Is there something that may get this out. Or, I thought of a weird idea, to get some cidar and put the dress in it and see if it would all come out that light brown colour. Any suggestions? Maria _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 20:18:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA18422 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:18:15 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA16942; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:12:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA28843 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:07:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (00217146@bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA28829 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA09101 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:11:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:11:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Sewing Machine Question Cross-post (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> The story sounded familliar, so I asked my resident expert: Mom. Emma ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:20:52 -0400 From: Patricia Voichahoske Lehman To: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> Subject: Re: H-COST: Sewing Machine Question Cross-post (fwd) Oh, this is a scam that's been around since I was in high school, and really long before that, I'm sure. It's a bait and switch -- used to be only White sewing machines. They say they were used by a high school home ec class, and then when you show up, they show you a really ratty machine and persuade you that for only $50 or $100 or $300 more you can get this really spiffy new machine... or reconditioned, or whatever. Come to think of it, I remember my Sincere History of Sewing machines book telling about Singer salesmen using a similar bait and switch in the thirties. It's not an urban legend, it's a persistent and effective scam. Mom At 02:48 PM 5/21/99 -0500, you wrote: > >never mind about the urban legend/hoax thing, I found the page but >couldn't find the scam I was looking for. This is the post I was >wondering about. I remember something about a sales like this one, I just >don't remember what I remember. They were bad, I know that. > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:28:42 -0500 >From: Kat & Kent >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: "Costumers@onelist.com" , > "h-costume-digest@indra.com" >Subject: H-COST: Sewing Machine Question Cross-post > > >-Poster: Kat & Kent > >I just got a flyer about a public sale of Singer Sew & Serge machines. >I have a White Jeans machine that I presently use and no serger. Does >anyone else have one of these (apparently overstock from their education >department) and what do you think? The add price is $199. TIA for any >info!! > >Kat > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 20:25:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA18662 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:25:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA19101; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:33:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA00795 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:27:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.bscn.com (mail.bscn.com [216.60.208.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA00789 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:27:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bscn.com (max2-3.bscn.com [216.60.209.120]) by mail.bscn.com (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA22020 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:28:41 -0500 Message-ID: <374607FE.7A7D7682@bscn.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:27:28 -0500 From: Eric Davidson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: H-Cost Machine Question References: <199905212350.QAA07259@smtp6.jps.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------454796B79C9951EBBB520A04" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Eric Davidson This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------454796B79C9951EBBB520A04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good question. I hope it sows fabric. R.L. Shep wrote: > -Poster: "R.L. Shep" > > What does it sow? > Beans or corn? > Sorry about that but I ccouldn't help it! > ~!~ R.L.Shep > http://www.mcn.org/e/fsbks > > ---------- > >From: Eric Davidson > >To: "h-costume-digest@indra.com" > >Subject: H-COST: H-Cost Machine Question > >Date: Fri, May 21, 1999, 2:33 PM > > > > >My grand mother just gave me a sowing machine Brand "General" its made > >in Japan it is made of black cast iron its real heavy. it has a dial > >adjustment in the arm above the needle that goes from 1 to 6. and a > >lever in the rear that flips from R to-0 than to f can anyone tell me > >anything about this sowing machine. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME --------------454796B79C9951EBBB520A04 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Eric Davidson Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Eric Davidson n: Davidson;Eric email;internet: excel@bscn.com x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------454796B79C9951EBBB520A04-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 21:04:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA19715 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 21:04:42 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA22333; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:14:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA04556 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:08:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id UAA04544 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:08:37 -0600 (MDT) From: lynnx@mc.net Received: (qmail 24706 invoked from network); 22 May 1999 02:08:36 -0000 Received: from tntmodem2-31.mc.net (HELO HEATHERL) (209.172.134.31) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 22 May 1999 02:08:36 -0000 Message-ID: <37463184.1BD3@mc.net> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:24:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #329 References: <199905212323.RAA17795@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: lynnx@mc.net > I have seen the really inexpensive 'tiny' sergers... are these any > good to see if you want to spend the money on a 'good' one, or are they > pretty much useless? Don't know about the tiny sergers but the tiny straight stitch machine isn't worth the room it'd take up in the dumpster. I'd try to make the store guys let you try one out before you buy. My guess is: Save your pennies, wait for a used trade-in from a reputable dealer, and get a $15 junker from a thrift shop (test first!) and use the zigzag function to bind frizzy seams. Heather _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 21:15:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA19986 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 21:15:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA23031; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:25:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA05556 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:19:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA05530 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:19:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.149] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 10l1Nt-000080-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:19:33 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:20:22 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: H-Cost Machine Question In-Reply-To: <374607FE.7A7D7682@bscn.com> References: <199905212350.QAA07259@smtp6.jps.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 08:27 PM 5/21/99, Eric Davidson wrote: Good question. I hope it sows fabric. Depending upon which fabrics and of what quality it may produce, you may wish to look into finding it a mate and seeing if viable offspring can be had of them... :-) After all, I'm sure many of us would like one of those... cjc [who has the Friday pm sillies, and really does know the difference between sewing and sowing, both of which are a lot of work, but worth the results, done well] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 21:27:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA20282 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 21:27:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA23322; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:28:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA05894 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA05868 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:22:53 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (354) by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6FVCa19886 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 22:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 22:22:01 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 5/21/99 8:14:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, uboru@erols.com writes: << I want Queen Amidala's gowns in my size NOW! >> Well...that black outfit with the black feathers on her head was the only memorable thing in that totally forgetable bore. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 21 22:26:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA21919 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 22:26:21 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA02543; Fri, 21 May 1999 21:39:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA12123 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 21:34:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA12114 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 21:34:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990522033411.KFMF18849.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:34:11 -0700 Message-ID: <374625B0.C8AD5FB8@home.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 22:34:08 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Stained dress References: <36FBF51E.7710@geocities.com> <3745FC88.8ED52052@san.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kat & Kent A woman who owns a children's consignment shop near here suggests using the following and says that it can sit on the stain for up to 7 days: 1/2 non-chlorine bleach 1/2 stain removing gel I've used it on a lot of stains with good success...which reminds me, I need to go pick up some more non-chlorine bleach! Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 22 05:37:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA32291 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 05:37:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id EAA28313; Sat, 22 May 1999 04:52:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id EAA25207 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 22 May 1999 04:46:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id EAA25201 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 04:46:15 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com (14440) by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6IRIa26412 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 06:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 06:45:29 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Stained dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com Probably too late for this stain, since it is set, but the classic remedy for fruit stains is to stretch the fabric tight (in an embroidery hoop if possible) and pour boiling water from a height. It usually works well. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 22 16:09:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16130 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 16:09:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA11181; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:23:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA13812 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA13765 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:16:53 -0600 (MDT) From: margo@directcon.net Received: from WebMail (nobody@hera.directcon.net [209.77.71.3]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09149; Sat, 22 May 1999 14:19:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199905222219.OAA09149@zeus.directcon.net> To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Wagon Train in the Foothills near Placerville/Sacramento Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:16:51 GMT X-Mailer: Direct Connect WebMail v1.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: margo@directcon.net Hi, I was the one who mentioned Wagon Train. i'm having hardware problems and am reading mail at my husband's office, so it may take me a day or two to get back to you with information, but I will do so ASAP. Margo Anderson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 22 16:37:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16905 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 16:37:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA13057; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:52:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA16327 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:45:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA16298; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:45:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from best.com (lavolta.vip.best.com [206.86.95.234]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id OAA04599; Sat, 22 May 1999 14:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37472531.A79051E3@best.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:44:17 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GBACG Mailing List , Historic Costume Mailing List , Vintage Clothing Mailing List , Vintage Dance Mailing List Subject: H-COST: Source for hairpieces Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lavolta Press I recently found a new, on-line source for hairpieces: http://www.funwigs.com/ Some of their hair goods are suitable for historic costuming. 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Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.best.com/~lavolta/index.htm Historic and vintage dance http://www.best.com/~lavolta/dance/index.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 22 17:36:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18505 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 17:36:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA17595; Sat, 22 May 1999 16:49:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA21415 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 22 May 1999 16:43:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA21403 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 16:43:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.136] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 10lKU9-0006tK-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:43:17 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 15:44:13 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Wagon Train in the Foothills near Placerville/Sacramento In-Reply-To: <199905222219.OAA09149@zeus.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 09:16 PM 5/22/99 +0000, you wrote: > >-Poster: margo@directcon.net > >Hi, I was the one who mentioned Wagon Train. i'm having hardware problems and >am reading mail at my husband's office, so it may take me a day or two to get >back to you with information, but I will do so ASAP. > >Margo >Anderson I just got a note back from a friend I sent a long letter to saying there was no text in the msg. Good luck w. your hardware problems. I hope they resolve easily and as permanently as possible... my thanks to you, Margo...Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 22 17:41:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18737 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 17:41:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA17932; Sat, 22 May 1999 16:56:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA21905 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 22 May 1999 16:49:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA21895 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 16:49:51 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (327) by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6XGMa02575 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <809a90b0.24788e64@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 18:49:08 EDT Subject: H-COST: Watch guard To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com A friend is reading some Dckens and asked me some questions about terms. Most I could clear up for her but..... what is a watch guard? She says it's worn at the neck. I don't know if it's on a man or woman. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 22 18:11:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19605 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:11:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA19702; Sat, 22 May 1999 17:26:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA24122 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 22 May 1999 17:19:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id RAA24105 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 17:19:32 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:19:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 6260 invoked from network); 22 May 1999 23:13:29 -0000 Received: from 224.64.3-9.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (207.231.64.224) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 22 May 1999 23:13:29 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19990522162004.2cdff9be@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: Watch guard Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 06:49 PM 05/22/1999 EDT, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > >-Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > >A friend is reading some Dckens and asked me some questions about terms. Most >I could clear up for her but..... what is a watch guard? She says it's worn >at the neck. I don't know if it's on a man or woman. "Watch guard--a chain or ribbon attached to a watch to keep it from disappearing." p. 389, _What Jane Austen Ate and Charles Dickens Knew_, by Daniel Pool. Simon & Schuster, 1993(hardback edition). In the 19th C., women often wore their watches on chains or ribbons around the neck and long enough to put the watch in a small watch pocket, or fob*, at the waist. *"fob-- a watch fob was a little pocket in the pants in which to keep a watch. When David Copperfield first meets his great-aunt Betsey Trotwood's friend Mr. Dick, the latter 'had his watch in his fob, and his money in his pockets.'" p. 309, ibid. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 22 18:19:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19670 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:19:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA20191; Sat, 22 May 1999 17:34:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA24692 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 22 May 1999 17:27:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bc.mountain.net (root@BC.Mountain.Net [198.77.1.35]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA24687 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 17:27:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from woodenporch.com (AM17-21.NewMartinsville-WV.Mountain.Net [198.77.13.220]) by bc.mountain.net (8.9.2/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA07225 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37470577.CC185540@woodenporch.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 19:29:56 +0000 From: Lois X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: some more neat books for sale References: <199905222117.PAA13858@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lois Hi all, I've put some more books on e-bay a few of them are: Visual History of Costume by Ribeiro http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=104295529 Great Age of Holland 1600-1660 by van Thienen http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=106707606 Historic Costume for the Stage by Barton http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=107516665 Elizabethan Pageantry by Morse http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=107519509 Lois -- Lois Mueller Wooden Porch Books books@woodenporch.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 22 19:12:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21215 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:12:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA23860; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:27:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA29551 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:20:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA29536 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:20:49 -0600 (MDT) From: SNSpies@aol.com Received: from SNSpies@aol.com (324) by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6QPBa15660 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <989d8931.2478a3aa@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:19:54 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: 1200s trim To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: SNSpies@aol.com Hello. << I was under the impression (please read this as me being humble, not as me trying to say that I am right!) that we had little or no extant clothing from the 1200s, and that most of our surviving artwork from this time is in the form of illuminations, so that we don't know whether people used trim on their clothing. >> I do know of many examples of brocaded tabletwoven bands from this time. Nancy/Ingvild (who just flew back from 3 weeks in Great Britain and is pooped!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 22 20:26:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23212 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:26:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA29721; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:41:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA05516 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:34:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from proxyb1-atm.san.rr.com (root@proxyb1-atm.san.rr.com [204.210.0.10]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA05510 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:34:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from san.rr.com (dt0a2n84.san.rr.com [204.210.45.132]) by proxyb1-atm.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10592 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37475FF2.6A7814@san.rr.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 18:54:58 -0700 From: Maria Fowler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Stained dress References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Maria Fowler Thanks everyone for all the suggestions. I will try them. The stain seems to be lightening some more. And I will keep these hints in mind for the future. I have always had luck with her clothes removing stains, until this. Maria _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 22 20:45:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23732 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:45:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA01561; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:00:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA06768 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA06763 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:53:59 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (14464) by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6SFQa02744 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 21:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <74633582.2478b986@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:53:10 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Watch guard To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 5/22/99 7:20:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, joanj@quiknet.com writes: << "Watch guard--a chain or ribbon attached to a watch to keep it from disappearing." p. 389, _What Jane Austen Ate and Charles Dickens Knew_, by Daniel Pool. Simon & Schuster, 1993(hardback edition). In the 19th C., women often wore their watches on chains or ribbons around the neck and long enough to put the watch in a small watch pocket, or fob*, at the waist. *"fob-- a watch fob was a little pocket in the pants in which to keep a watch. When David Copperfield first meets his great-aunt Betsey Trotwood's friend Mr. Dick, the latter 'had his watch in his fob, and his money in his pockets.'" p. 309, ibid. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com >> Thank you. This is what I thought. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 22 21:53:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25574 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 21:53:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA07038; Sat, 22 May 1999 21:08:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA12253 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 22 May 1999 21:01:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id VAA12242 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 21:01:35 -0600 (MDT) From: lynnx@mc.net Received: (qmail 9250 invoked from network); 23 May 1999 03:01:28 -0000 Received: from tntmodem2-44.mc.net (HELO HEATHERL) (209.172.134.44) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 23 May 1999 03:01:28 -0000 Message-ID: <37478F72.798@mc.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:17:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Oh, Pooh! and machines References: <199905222117.PAA13858@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: lynnx@mc.net Now I'm not about to argue with Mom (anyone's! That title outranks 5-star anything, they've earned it) but a friend of mine actually got a (new) $199 "school model" machine in a similar sounding deal. ***However***! I think this is a different machine, I don't think it does "sergery". The Big Deal with the "school models" is that you can sew heavy stuff like leather with them, more so than with the regular home machines. They're probably built to take the beating a bunch of asynaptic uninterested school-age kids would deal out. In this case, the store says a local school had them ordered and then backed out, sticking the store with all these machines (still *new* in the boxes). However, take Mom's advice, and *watch your back*! This is a scene where *patience pays*; if you watch, wait, and research long enough, you'll find your machine at your price. Give it time! Good luck in your search, Heather (still gloating about that killer deal a friend gave me on a pristine 4-thread Singer trade-in) > Oh, this is a scam that's been around since I was in high school, and > really long before that, I'm sure. It's a bait and switch -- used to be > only White sewing machines. They say they were used by a high school > home ec class, and then when you show up, they show you a really ratty > machine and persuade you that for only $50 or $100 or $300 more you can > get this really spiffy new machine... or reconditioned, or whatever. > > Come to think of it, I remember my Sincere History of Sewing machines > book telling about Singer salesmen using a similar bait and switch in > the thirties. > It's not an urban legend, it's a persistent and effective scam. > > Mom Keep it!! Even if you can't figure out how to use it, it sounds like a potential collectible. Check out books on antiques, there may be one on just sewing machines or household gadgets (may take a lot of research) for possible antique-market price. If it isn't a hot item, the fact that it's solid metal sounds like you have at least a reliable backup machine. The 1 to 6 sounds like a possible tension adjustment, or *maybe* stitch length. R-0-F may mean reverse, "neutral"(??), forward. > >My grand mother just gave me a sowing machine Brand "General" its made > >in Japan it is made of black cast iron its real heavy. it has a dial > >adjustment in the arm above the needle that goes from 1 to 6. and a > >lever in the rear that flips from R to-0 than to f can anyone tell me > >anything about this sowing machine. > > This might be a little more extreme than you want to (or can) go, but maybe you could stretch the Winnie section out on a big hoop or frame, then go over the picture (carefully) with hot wax and then use Dylon in a dark color on the dress for a "batik" effect? Otherwise, coffee or tea dyeing might be possibilities. (Who wants a kid to wear white anyhow? Even for adults, white's a stain magnet!) Heather > > This is off-topic, but I don't know what to do. My toddler was wearing > a white > dress with winnie the pooh on it and spilled apple cidar all down the > front. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 22 22:28:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26412 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 22:28:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA10180; Sat, 22 May 1999 21:43:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA14675 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 22 May 1999 21:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.greatbasin.net (mail.greatbasin.net [207.228.35.39]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA14669 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 21:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from danhome (rno-max8-25.gbis.net [207.228.62.25]) by mail.greatbasin.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA22297 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003e01bea4cd$7ff70a60$193ee4cf@danhome> From: "Dan Fenwick" To: References: <199905222117.PAA13858@indra.com> <37478F72.798@mc.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Oh, Pooh! and machines Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:36:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Dan Fenwick" > ***However***! I think this is a different machine, I don't think it > does "sergery". The Big Deal with the "school models" is that you can > sew heavy stuff like leather with them, more so than with the regular > home machines. They're probably built to take the beating a bunch of > asynaptic uninterested school-age kids would deal out. In this case, > the store says a local school had them ordered and then backed out, > sticking the store with all these machines (still *new* in the boxes). The promotional materials are sent satraight from teh distrubutor in photo-ready format. All the store does is insert their name and so on and send it to the printer. No school ever ordered the machines. Might still be a decent machine, but the adds are BS. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 22 23:28:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28023 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 23:28:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA16231; Sat, 22 May 1999 22:43:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA19162 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 22 May 1999 22:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.radiks.net (mail.radiks.net [205.138.126.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA19154 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 22:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup (56K-lnk-125.radiks.net [206.29.243.127]) by mail.radiks.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA24154 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 23:36:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990522233356.00e02040@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 23:33:56 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Subject: H-COST: Re: Cider stain In-Reply-To: <199905222117.PAA13858@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger >This is off-topic, but I don't know what to do. My toddler was wearing a white >dress with winnie the pooh on it and spilled apple cidar all down the front. When >I got home, I immediately washed it, the stains are still there. Then I tried >soaking it several times in all fabric bleach, again the stains remained. Is >there something that may get this out. Don't know if this will work, but there is a brand called "Carbona" that makes about 15 different stain removers, for all different kinds of stains (Fruit, blood, grass, ink, etc....) I just saw a whole rack of them at our local Hancock's today. They're small bottles (about 4 oz.), so it's not like you have to buy a huge amount just to try it. Can't hurt. Sandy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 23 06:40:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA05919 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 06:40:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id FAA09230; Sun, 23 May 1999 05:56:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA22814 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 23 May 1999 05:49:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id FAA22808; Sun, 23 May 1999 05:49:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [206.151.9.11] (th-0-2.patriot.net [206.151.9.11] (may be forged)) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA23185; Sun, 23 May 1999 07:49:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199905231149.HAA23185@jefferson.patriot.net> Subject: H-COST: Re: Gifted Student Date: Sun, 23 May 99 07:52:01 -0000 x-sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: To: , "h-costume" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: I can relate to this situation! We didn't have a "gifted" program in my school (back then) but classes were in levels and I was in the top level classes. Sewing and then costuming was ok as a hobby (sewing was proper for a young lady to learn, after all), but not as a profession. And theater was right out! So now I'm thinking about what someone like Penny can do to help. Unfortunately, home ec classes were not very challenging for me. Isn't that one of the points of gifted classes, to challenge the students so they aren't bored with school? >The clincher is... her Dad highly opposes her working on the costume >renderings. He thinks this is beneath her intelligence. > >She said she hurries up and finishes her "gifted" classwork to where she >can draw renderings in her spare time. > >She sneaks and spends her allowance on Tom Tierney paper doll books. It will be ultimately up to her how she deals with her parents. It sounds like it isn't going well! I remember my parents telling me many times that they wished I spent as much effort on my regular schoolwork as I did on my other interests. Your student will probably tell her parents about you and whatever assistance you offer. No escape from the "evil mentor" role! Is there a way to work costume & textiles into her other subjects? History should be easy - I did a presentation (in high school) on the changing silhouettes between the mid & late 19thC by drawing & erasing on the blackboard. I didn't think it was very elaborate, but the teacher was impressed. Is she reading plays and then drawing costumes for the characters? Math is used in figuring pleats, yardage, etc. Chemistry for dyes. The mechanics of spinning & weaving machinery is worth study - how about the jaquard loom as an early computer? This way she could stay in the realm of her interest & not see it as a conflict with her schoolwork. There is a lot of emphasis placed on costume design, but not on construction. Designers get the recognition & awards, and people involved with costume or fashion are expected to want to be designers. But what about the technical side? What is the use of designs without the skills of people to make them? Many people have replied that the gifted student should have an artistic persuit. It's sad that the father does not support this. On the other hand, it sounds like she needs a better balance between drawing the renderings and other schoolwork. It may be her rebellion against her parents. -Carol Kocian _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 23 15:53:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19559 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 15:53:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA21831; Sun, 23 May 1999 15:09:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA06734 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 23 May 1999 15:02:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA06716 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 15:01:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA20614; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13644; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:01:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:01:53 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com cc: SCA-GARB@LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: H-COST: Flemish 16th century Costume Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: aleed Hey everyone, As promised, the paper I gave on Flemish Dress at the Medieval Congress is now online. You can check it out at http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/lowerclass/flemish-dress.html Enjoy, Drea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 23 20:06:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25448 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:06:43 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA14839; Sun, 23 May 1999 19:22:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA00136 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 23 May 1999 19:14:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA00123 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 19:14:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lindo (p17.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.17]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA26372 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.0.1.19990523175248.00e8de70@saltmine.radix.net> Message-Id: <4.0.1.19990523175248.00e8de70@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 18:06:19 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kevin + Mara Riley At 10:22 PM 05/21/1999 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > >In a message dated 5/21/99 8:14:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, uboru@erols.com >writes: > ><< I want Queen Amidala's gowns in my size NOW! >> > >Well...that black outfit with the black feathers on her head was the only >memorable thing in that totally forgetable bore. Well, _I_ enjoyed it... I got a good look at the red and gold dress on the cover of a flyer in this Sunday's paper. Very interesting. Some of the trim on the headdress used cotton lace dyed red, over a gold background, for a very interesting effect. It's the K-Mart flyer. I didn't particularly like the black feather headdress thingy. Oh well, there's no disputing matters of taste! Some of the critics were sniping at Amidala's Kabuki-like makeup. They missed the point entirely -- it was the makeup that enabled her to put one of her handmaid/bodyguards in her place and go off on her own to see what the situation was really like. Geesh. Yes, the makeup wasn't very becoming to Natalie Portman -- but it served its purpose. Very interesting to see all the various influences on costume, etc. in the movie. That hairdo that Portman wore in the latter part -- where she's on that raid on the palace, with her hair doubled over on back of her head -- is straight out of Geisha portraits. How do you do that??? Guess I'm gonna have to make that kimono robe for my hubby one of these days! For those of you that are interested, there's a good book available on making your own Japanese clothing -- how to take measurements so it'll fit you properly. Not hard, since all the pieces are rectangles anyway. I loaned the book to my sister, who made a beautiful robe for herself out of some nice printed cotton, and I've made a few happi jackets and one floor-length robe myself, based on the book. None of these garments has anything to do with Star Wars, but I've been promising to make my hubby a kimono-type robe for several years now, so I might as well make one that will do double duty :D Mara Kevin + Mara Riley Home Page http://www.radix.net/~lindo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 23 20:31:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26078 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:31:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA17111; Sun, 23 May 1999 19:44:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA02121 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 23 May 1999 19:36:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA02102 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 19:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 207.172.79.19 (207-172-79-19.s19.tnt5.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.79.19]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id VAA13706 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <374875AF.14CC@erols.com> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 21:39:59 +0000 From: DC X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars References: <4.0.1.19990523175248.00e8de70@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: DC Actually, some of the Queen's costumes smacked strongly of Mongol/Chinese influences. Now to start researching Mongol garb again. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 23 20:48:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26323 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:48:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA19661; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:04:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA04122 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 23 May 1999 19:56:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id TAA04093 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 19:56:49 -0600 (MDT) From: lynnx@mc.net Received: (qmail 12649 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 01:56:48 -0000 Received: from tntmodem2-4.mc.net (HELO HEATHERL) (209.172.134.4) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 24 May 1999 01:56:48 -0000 Message-ID: <3748D1D5.483A@mc.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 21:13:09 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: sewing machine scams References: <199905240114.TAA00146@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: lynnx@mc.net > From: "Dan Fenwick" > No school ever ordered the machines. > Might still be a decent machine, but the adds are BS. Makes sense; would schools order the same machine and then back out, repeatedly? Have to get in touch with the friend of mine who got one and see how she's doing with it. Heather _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 23 22:01:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28102 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 22:01:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA27949; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:17:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA12080 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:09:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (root@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA12071 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:09:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from nomad.cwnet.com (dcn155.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.155]) by wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (8.8.7/DCN8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA26279 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:20:20 -0700 Message-ID: <01BEA559.AE548680.nomad@dcn.davis.ca.us> From: Margo Glenn-Lewis To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Star Wars Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:19:46 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Glenn-Lewis Also some very Tibetan stuff - but my favorite hairstyle is right out of Mongolia. Margo -----Original Message----- From: DC [SMTP:uboru@erols.com] Sent: Sunday, May 23, 1999 2:40 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars -Poster: DC Actually, some of the Queen's costumes smacked strongly of Mongol/Chinese influences. Now to start researching Mongol garb again. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From Cheryl@sessionware.com Mon May 24 00:00:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from dynamic.sessionware.com (dynamic.sessionware.com [208.147.50.22]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA30911 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 00:00:26 -0400 Received: by dynamic.sessionware.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 23 May 1999 22:14:51 -0700 Message-ID: <59E9557D345BD2118F2200A0C925BF9816B0BD@dynamic.sessionware.com> From: Cheryl Melnick Subject: FAN-tastic update! Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:14:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Status: O Greetings! This is an update of the International Fan Collector's Guild, the resource for fan collector's world wide. Please remember that all portions of the website are under international copyright law. No portion, text, code or images may be copied without written permission. Since the last time I updated the site, I was involved in an accident. I am finally off crutches and learning to walk again in a cast. Thank you to those persons who sent kind words of support during my recovery period. I am now better, and able to update the website again. What's new? More than you'd ever expect: * All pages of the website have been reformatted to download in 30 seconds or less * The International charity which receives the proceeds from the bookstore is now online! * Bookstore-A new Book about Fans written by Tcherviakov! Which international charity are the proceeds from the bookstore going to? Check out the bookstore and see! * Fan Museum new fans added to the almost all the sections-Germany, France, England ,China , Japan and World fans! * Preservation-what is recommended for home storage? What are the different options available? * Fan Postcards-New category! Page 4, Page 5 have new fan postcards! * Fan Catalogs-new fan auction catalogs listed, with a special offer only for members of the International Fan Collector's Guild! * Misc Books for Sale-new fan books listed! * International Society for Collectors of Hand-held Fans-new Club listed! * Dealer section-new fan dealers listed! * Fans for sale-Many new fans for sale added to this section! * Free Stuff -A gorgeous new Fan Screen Saver, courtesy of Camelot Enterprises! There are many, many new items to still add to the website as I am trying to get caught up! If you would like to have your fan business, fans for sale or resource added to the website, remember there is NO CHARGE and is entirely free! If you'd like to be taken off this announcement list, just drop me a line and say "unsubscribe" in the Subject line of your email. Please indicate which mailing list you are unsubscribing, as I moderate multiple lists. Have a great week! Cheryl _______________________________ Cheryl Melnick Webmistress International Fan Collector's Guild webmistress@hand-fan.org * 408-559-7799 x 222 http://www.hand-fan.org From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 00:18:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA31298 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 00:18:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA11543; Sun, 23 May 1999 23:34:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA23637 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 23 May 1999 23:26:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon.canfield.com (falcon.canfield.com [206.191.139.20]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA23632 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 23:26:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Leslie (u6-07.wa.net [206.191.135.71]) by falcon.canfield.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA09526 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 22:31:35 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.19990523222204.00d0d180@mail.canfield.com> X-Sender: leslieh@mail.canfield.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:23:32 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Leslie Helms Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #331 In-Reply-To: <199905240114.TAA00146@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Leslie Helms ********* Mara said teasingly: Guess I'm gonna have to make that kimono robe for my hubby one of these days! For those of you that are interested, there's a good book available on making your own Japanese clothing -- how to take measurements so it'll fit you properly. Not hard, since all the pieces are rectangles anyway. I loaned the book to my sister, who made a beautiful robe for herself out of some nice printed cotton, and I've made a few happi jackets and one floor-length robe myself, based on the book. None of these garments has anything to do with Star Wars, but I've been promising to make my hubby a kimono-type robe for several years now, so I might as well make one that will do double duty :D ******** Okay, come clean, WHAT IS THE BOOK CALLED? Yep, you brought it up, now you have to divulge the data! Or we'll fuss! Larisa _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 01:19:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00060 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:19:58 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA16775; Mon, 24 May 1999 00:36:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA27997 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 00:28:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f22.hotmail.com [216.32.181.22]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id AAA27989 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 00:28:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 19960 invoked by uid 0); 24 May 1999 06:27:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19990524062747.19959.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.12.3.125 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 May 1999 23:27:46 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.12.3.125] From: "Tara German" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Simplicity 8725 Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 06:27:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Tara German" Greetings, I've been trying to no avail to get this pattern in my size. Even if I don't have it yet, I have a couple of questions about it. 1. I did get a chance to take a quick look at the instruction sheet. From what I saw, there are not separate front and side front pieces. Bustline fullness is added by easing the underarm area of the front to the back at the side seam. However, the photo of the made up gown (one in gold) clearly has a princess type seam. Does the pattern indeed have a seam there or was that just an adjustment they did to make the model in the photo look better? 2. I know the pattern is not historically accurate but I could almost swear that I read/saw an example of a gown (don't even remember what century) that extra width was added in a way not unlike the way this pattern does. However, the gore didn't "wrap" from the front to the back; there were separate pieces that were sewn to the bottom of the front and back panels. | | Sort of like triangular / \ gores but only at the bottom / \ to compensate for narrow / \ fabric widths. / \ / \ /| |\ / | | \ /__|_______________|__\ Does this sound familiar to anyone or am I just imagining things? It's vaguely like some of the patterns in Cut My Cote but I remember a gown, not a shift. Tara _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 06:27:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA05610 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 06:27:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id FAA01838; Mon, 24 May 1999 05:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA23474 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 05:34:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id FAA23469 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 05:34:43 -0600 (MDT) From: lynnx@mc.net Received: (qmail 24383 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 11:34:41 -0000 Received: from tntmodem1-70.mc.net (HELO HEATHERL) (209.172.133.70) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 24 May 1999 11:34:41 -0000 Message-ID: <3749594D.6C86@mc.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 06:51:09 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: workshops References: <199905240114.TAA00146@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: lynnx@mc.net f you're in the Midwest, we'll be having a workshop on beading fabrics and one on making a duct tape dummy on June 13 at the Ramada in Rosemont near O'Hare. Lots of other costume stuff too, including RennFaire and science fiction! It will soon be posted on the website at www.wwa.com/~duckon Don't forget an embroidery hoop and a sacrificial t-shirt. There will be a costumer's party after the masquerade(costume contest) Carol Mitchell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 07:32:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA07099 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:32:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA05648; Mon, 24 May 1999 06:49:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA28377 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 06:40:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scorpion.netspace.net.au (scorpion.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.106]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA28341 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 06:40:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.70]) by scorpion.netspace.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id WAA22527 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:40:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from netspace.net.au.netspace.net.au (dialup-m4-141.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [203.17.100.141]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id WAA27639 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:39:40 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199905241239.WAA27639@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: Subject: H-COST: Journey to the Centre of the Earth Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:23:57 +1000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Christopher Ballis" Well, my bizarre and unwanted acting career goes well. For those who came in late, I am registered with a casting agency and am offered work on a regular basis. A mini-series I am working on at the moment may be of interest to the list, Journey to the Centre of the Earth, based upon the Jules Verne story and expanded. Treat Williams plays the heroic professor leading the expedition after presenting his case to the Boston Explorers' Club, shot at the Uniting Church building in Collins Street, Melbourne, where else? Williams describes his character as a combination of Robin Williams in Flubber and Rambo, "Flambo". On the journey, accompanied by his nephew and some pick-ups along the way, he encounters Bryan Brown who led an earlier expedition and has settled in an underground village of hunter-gatherers. Costume-wise, the leads are in Victorian-era hiking clothes, mostly edging towards earth colours. In his early scenes, Brown wears similar clothes topped by a wonderful waistcoat made of fish skin, supposedly from some lizard caught by the villagers. Later, Brown pulls on a large, tweed frock coat that has been distressed. The villagers are the costumes that will be of greatest interest, I think. They remind me of both islander and Mayan. That is, somewhat Central American but made of raffia and accessorised with leather pouches and wooden, stone and foliage beading. All the villagers had their hair dyed red which has us all wondering - the smearing of "clay" through the hair and over the bodies makes it redundant! They are great looking costumes but, I can assure you, bloody cold here in Melbourne's winter in the massive fairground pavilion used as a studio for the set. They are also very itchy! The set is also fantastic, a full size walled village reminiscent of the cliff face dwellings of south-west Native Americans. Features include tar pits, a forge, houses, rustic furniture and everything else you'd want to make it believable. Although I have seen little of the above-ground costuming to comment, overall it is a great looking costume series and worth looking out for - should screen late this year or early next. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 07:48:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA07339 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:48:03 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA06715; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:03:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA29800 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 06:54:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA29795 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 06:54:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990524125451.SGRZ13558.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@c59303-a> for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 05:54:51 -0700 Message-ID: <003f01bea5e4$d477cc60$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Journey to the Centre of the Earth Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 07:51:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" So this is the continuation of the series? I remember this was a movie special about a year ago. Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Ballis To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 7:42 AM Subject: H-COST: Journey to the Centre of the Earth : :-Poster: "Christopher Ballis" : :Well, my bizarre and unwanted acting career goes well. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 08:17:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07975 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 08:17:00 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA09055; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:33:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA03140 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:25:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA03083 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:24:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gia-g (dialup321.serv.net [207.207.70.214]) by mx.serv.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA10802 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 06:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005401bea5e9$60ca8280$d646cfcf@gia-g> From: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Medieval Congress Redux Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 06:28:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" Dear Kat! Lovely to see you this weekend! Sorry it seemed we were both too busy to visit. At night I was too pooped from doing kids activities to go do the rounds. But I'm looking forward to doing things at July Coronation...a *big* party to celebrate my no longer being a kingdom officer! I have my lord's 'permission' *grin* to volunteer for a Costumer's Guild position, though! I'll be talking to Isolde about how I can help her; of course, if you can think of anything you'd like me to do would be fun too! I was thinking about the web page and the FTSO. I'll be submitting articles for publishing soon, but not sure how I should do it, meaning what's the best format? The last one I did I submitted as a full fledge research paper with endnotes and a very big biblio. Found out after the fact (when the end notes and bilbio weren't included) that the format I had used was not appropriate. I should have re-written it into an 'article-type' of thing with a short biblio. With that in mind, how about a small little blurb on the Costumer's Guild web page about the way to do articles for FTSO? I know that it's on one of the back issues (which I've lost), but we've grown so much, it'd bears repeating and actually might serve the guild members better on the web page. What do you think? Might even encourage people to submit more articles? Hugs! Giacinta _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 08:19:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07985 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 08:19:00 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA09161; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:34:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA03246 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:26:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA03238 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:26:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gia-g (dialup321.serv.net [207.207.70.214]) by mx.serv.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA10891 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 06:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005e01bea5e9$8cdb5520$d646cfcf@gia-g> From: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Medieval Congress Redux Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 06:30:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" Oops! So sorry listers! I thought I had the personal addy! So sorry! Please ignore! No, not you Kat! *sigh* Giacinta _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 08:30:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08331 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 08:30:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA10192; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:47:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA04763 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:38:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wctclnx.waukesha.tec.wi.us (root@wctclnx.waukesha.tec.wi.us [198.150.96.99]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA04747 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:38:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from waukesha.tec.wi.us (gwsmtp.waukesha.tec.wi.us [198.150.96.61]) by wctclnx.waukesha.tec.wi.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA27309 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:34:42 -0500 Received: from DOM#u#WCTC-Message_Server by waukesha.tec.wi.us with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 24 May 1999 08:42:07 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 08:41:53 -0500 From: Lauretta Wenger To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Medieval Congress Redux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lauretta Wenger Dear Gia, Would you please e-mail me privately, I have a question I would like to ask....Thanks in advance. Lauretta lwenger@waukesha.tec.wi.us >>> "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" 05/24 8:28 AM >>> -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" Dear Kat! Lovely to see you this weekend! Sorry it seemed we were both too busy to visit. At night I was too pooped from doing kids activities to go do the rounds. But I'm looking forward to doing things at July Coronation...a *big* party to celebrate my no longer being a kingdom officer! I have my lord's 'permission' *grin* to volunteer for a Costumer's Guild position, though! I'll be talking to Isolde about how I can help her; of course, if you can think of anything you'd like me to do would be fun too! I was thinking about the web page and the FTSO. I'll be submitting articles for publishing soon, but not sure how I should do it, meaning what's the best format? The last one I did I submitted as a full fledge research paper with endnotes and a very big biblio. Found out after the fact (when the end notes and bilbio weren't included) that the format I had used was not appropriate. I should have re-written it into an 'article-type' of thing with a short biblio. With that in mind, how about a small little blurb on the Costumer's Guild web page about the way to do articles for FTSO? I know that it's on one of the back issues (which I've lost), but we've grown so much, it'd bears repeating and actually might serve the guild members better on the web page. What do you think? Might even encourage people to submit more articles? Hugs! Giacinta _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME ! ! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 09:49:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09889 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:49:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA20587; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:01:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA16134 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 08:52:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Mackie.com (mackie1.mackie.com [209.168.18.190]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id IAA16086 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 08:52:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Mackie-Message_Server by Mackie.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:55:00 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 07:54:42 -0700 From: "Colleen McDonald Hinrichs" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Diana dresses in Seattle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id JAA09889 Status: O -Poster: "Colleen McDonald Hinrichs" Hello list, Just wanted to let those in the Pacific Northwest know that some of the Princess Diana dresses are going to be on display this week at the Pacific Place mall in downtown Seattle. I don't know the cost to get in - I saw a blurb on the local news last night. I am sure that the folks at the mall would know. Okay, I know that I shouldn't gush about a new purchase, but I just have to. I was able to purchase a copy of Jacqueline Herald's Renaissance Dress in Italy this weekend! (happy dance!) And the best part, it's signed by the author! Paid more than I ever have for any single book and quite happily, I might add. It was a very good weekend..... Colleen McDonald Hinrichs aka Lady Cainder nic Sheanlaoich _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 10:20:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10589 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:20:28 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA24744; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:30:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA21894 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:22:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA21793 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:22:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06787 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 08:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37496EEC.375FE5FF@serv.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 08:23:24 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity 8725 References: <19990524062747.19959.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover The method you are asking about is called a wheel piece or gore although some might have a slightly different terminology. It's not entirely an historic method but is somewhat similar. At certain times looms weren't producing wide fabric, sometimes only 22" wide. Which mean that fabric had to be pieced together in order to get the wide wide, did I say wide?, skirts of the 14th and 15th centuries. Since there aren't any extant cotehardies, just bits and pieces, speculation is that strips of fabric (selvedge to selvedge) would be cut in graduated lengths and then trimmed to make an angle. I am terrible at asci art and don't know if my description can help you visualize it or not. Cynthia > 2. I know the pattern is not historically accurate but I could almost swear > that I read/saw an example of a gown (don't even remember what century) that > extra width was added in a way not unlike the way this pattern does. > | | Sort of like triangular > / \ gores but only at the bottom > / \ to compensate for narrow > / \ fabric widths. > / \ > / \ > /| |\ > / | | \ > /__|_______________|__\ > -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 10:59:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11418 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:59:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA02906; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:15:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA00807 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:06:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from komarr.local.thibault.org (adsl-151-197-16-76.bellatlantic.net [151.197.16.76]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA00718 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:06:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thibault.org (granny.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.16]) by komarr.local.thibault.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA00806 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:06:25 -0400 Message-ID: <374978D4.5B317292@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:05:39 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue Organization: Virtue Ventures http://www.virtue.to X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars References: <4.0.1.19990523175248.00e8de70@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Cynthia Virtue Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: > Very interesting to see all the various influences on costume, etc. in the > movie. That hairdo that Portman wore in the latter part -- where she's on > that raid on the palace, with her hair doubled over on back of her head -- > is straight out of Geisha portraits. How do you do that??? The hairdo is noted in the VOGUE spread as being based on Navaho hair-shapes; could be either, although since there is so much asian influence I'd put my money on that instead. What I would really like to know is: are any of the other women of the court/high status/ government women wearing similar styles? All we saw were the Queen and her Handmaidens. Presumably the other high-ranking women would have similar outfits to the Queen; hers would be a more expensive and elaborate version of what was in fashion. (Do they all wear hats incorporating gold oval domes over their ears?) But because we saw only a few women, it is impossible to tell. If she's the only one dressed this way, what does it say about the power structure on Naboo? I sure hope they plan costume pattern tie-ins for the Halloween season. cv -- Tunics! Hats! Houppelandes, oh my! http://www.virtue.to/virtue/articles/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 11:38:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12327 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:38:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA11937; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:54:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA09110 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:45:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f28.hotmail.com [216.32.181.28]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id KAA09095 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:45:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 96812 invoked by uid 0); 24 May 1999 16:44:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19990524164454.96811.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 165.248.247.16 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:44:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [165.248.247.16] From: "Tara German" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity 8725 Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:44:54 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Tara German" speculation is that strips of >fabric (selvedge to selvedge) would be cut in graduated lengths and then >trimmed to >make an angle. I am terrible at asci art and don't know if my description >can help >you visualize it or not. Cynthia Yes, that's it! Kind of like this, right? Do you happen to know ______ of a source offhand? I'd like to | | read up on it again. | | _____| |_____ | /| |\ | | / | | \ | | / | | \ | | / | | \ | _____|/ | | \|_____ | | | | | | | /| | | |\ | Tara _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 11:40:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12395 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:40:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA12480; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:56:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA09363 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:46:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web4-1.ability.net (root@web4-1.ability.net [216.32.69.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA09338 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:46:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawkeswood.com (betsy.ability.net [216.32.69.235]) by web4-1.ability.net (8.9.1/8.9.1/Pub) with ESMTP id MAA22767 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <374982DB.BC36D447@hawkeswood.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:48:27 -0400 From: Betsy Delaney Organization: Hawkeswood Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Star Wars References: <4.0.1.19990523175248.00e8de70@saltmine.radix.net> <374978D4.5B317292@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Betsy Delaney Actually, I'd put my money exactly where Vogue spread says the hair style comes from. I thought I recognized it. I have Navajo dolls in my collection and their hair is done up exactly like that. Don't have a clue how they do it, but I know it takes more hair than I will ever have in my lifetime, and adding that much false hair in the back of her head must have given her huge headaches. -betsy Cynthia Virtue wrote: > > -Poster: Cynthia Virtue > The hairdo is noted in the VOGUE spread as being based on Navaho > hair-shapes; could be either, although since there is so much asian > influence I'd put my money on that instead. -- Betsy R. Delaney Web Mistress at large WebInvent.com, Inc. ************************************************************************ mailto:WebInvent@WebInvent.com or visit http://www.WebInvent.com/ mailto:Costume-Con@Costume-Con.org or visit http://www.Costume-Con.org/ mailto:betsy@hawkeswood.com or visit http://www.hawkeswood.com/ ************************************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 12:17:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13190 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:17:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA20334; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:33:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA19263 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:24:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mercury.janrix.com (mercury.janrix.com [207.22.155.12]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA19221 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:24:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kat ([207.22.155.86] (may be forged)) by mercury.janrix.com (2.5 Build 2640 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA01321 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:24:28 -0400 Received: by kat with Microsoft Mail id <01BEA5E7.F25F1AA0@kat>; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:18:43 -0400 Message-ID: <01BEA5E7.F25F1AA0@kat> From: kat To: "'Historic Costume list'" Subject: H-COST: match coats, 18th-19th cent. Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:16:59 -0400 Encoding: 13 TEXT Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: kat I seem to remember a post regarding match coats, but now I can't find it. If any one has a book or information regarding match coats, I'd appreciate it, as this is a question brought up by one of the Corps of Discovery members. Also, when were the coatee -- a waist length coat, long sleeved popular? Where these single or double breasted coats? I've made the single breasted style for late ACW British re-enactors, now we have a question about the double breasted style. Kat Hargus owner, Making Time www.makingtime.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 12:26:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13407 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:26:42 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA21932; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:43:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA13580 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:04:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA13299 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:03:58 -0600 (MDT) From: Finafyr@aol.com Received: from Finafyr@aol.com (541) by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6EZKa02104 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <85bfc71.247ae01c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:02:20 EDT Subject: H-COST: Italian Ren Prom Dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Finafyr@aol.com I think that I have heard many things but when my Daughter asked me to make her and Italian Renaissance Prom Dress I was floored...She said that the other Girls were wearing "Nightgowns" and she wanted a real dress that would accentuate the positive and hide the negative....I was a little unsure because I didn't want to blow this important dress..not because I didn't know how( I make late period costumes all the time)...Well I made it..it had a Black velveteen bodice a dark purple satin skirt a gold underskirt and a light purple chemise...and Black velvetten sleeves....I trimed it with Crystals and gold trim....It turned out very well and she looked wonderful.....She was the only one wearing a dress like it but it was a very popular Dress with the Prom set.....Just thought I would share.... YIS Fionnbharr _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 12:28:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13420 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:28:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA22034; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:43:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA13291 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:03:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA13127 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:03:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09126 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <374986AC.8840FC2E@serv.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:04:44 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity 8725 References: <19990524164454.96811.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover well, er, yeah. *G* At least I think so! Don't know of a source off hand. Depends on what you mean by source. As far as I know there is no primary documentation for this. I suspect I saw this in maybe, Mary Houston's Dress in Medieval England and France but not sure at all. Cynthia > Yes, that's it! Kind of like this, right? Do you happen to know > ______ of a source offhand? I'd like to > | | read up on it again. > | | > _____| |_____ > | /| |\ | > | / | | \ | > | / | | \ | > | / | | \ | > _____|/ | | \|_____ > | | | | | | > | /| | | |\ | > > Tara > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 12:59:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14105 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:59:33 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA27037; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:14:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA27539 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:06:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA27513 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990524180601.USXT13558.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@c59303-a> for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:06:01 -0700 Message-ID: <001801bea610$38961500$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity 8725 Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:06:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" The one I used as a guide to my first sca dress is very close to this pattern. It is out of Carl Kohler's A History of Costume, pages 182-183. German's Woman's Dress of the 14th Century. It has the patter of the dress just above the image of the art. Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Merouda the True of Bornover To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 12:37 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity 8725 : :-Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover : :well, er, yeah. *G* At least I think so! Don't know of a source off hand. :Depends on what you mean by source. As far as I know there is no primary :documentation for this. I suspect I saw this in maybe, Mary Houston's Dress in :Medieval England and France but not sure at all. : :Cynthia : :> Yes, that's it! Kind of like this, right? Do you happen to know :> ______ of a source offhand? I'd like to :> | | read up on it again. :> | | :> _____| |_____ :> | /| |\ | :> | / | | \ | :> | / | | \ | :> | / | | \ | :> _____|/ | | \|_____ :> | | | | | | :> | /| | | |\ | :> :> Tara :> :> _______________________________________________________________ :> Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com :> _________________________________________________________________ :> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com :> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME : :-- :Cynthia Long :Merouda the True of Bornover :Barony of Madrone :Kingdom of An Tir : : : _________________________________________________________________ : To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com : with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME : _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 13:27:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14755 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:27:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA01740; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:42:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA03034 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web123.yahoomail.com (web123.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.191]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id MAA03008 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:33:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990524183438.9011.rocketmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.69.62.120] by web123.yahoomail.com; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:34:38 PDT Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:34:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Moonshadow Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Ren Prom Dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Moonshadow Dear Fionnbharr, Hooray for you! I bet your daughter looked beautiful and that all the other girls were ENVIOUS! Nighties? What are they thinking? The first It. Ren I made was for my daughter and I am proud to say it turned out well. She picked out the fabric, wine colored brocade, her chemise is white silk. What a dream she looks in it. Ah, thanks for the SCA!! Dorothy 8^) _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 13:57:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15434 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:57:51 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA06558; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA09228 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:04:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA09216 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:04:41 -0600 (MDT) From: AliaClaire@aol.com Received: from AliaClaire@aol.com (3961) by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6BBAa01068 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <26b59d59.247afc95@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 15:03:49 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Ren Prom Dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 11 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AliaClaire@aol.com Listers- I think it's great that some kids are going with these kind of prom dresses! Except for a few Titanic style, most of the dresses I saw were long and...well, I agree, looking like rather shapeless nightgowns. It's my personal opinion one needs to be close to anorexic to wear one properly. My prom was two weeks ago, and although I'd been dared to wear my ACW ballgown, I decided the hoops would probably end up injuring my date. Somehow. I had a blue satin dress with a top just as boned at my corset for above dress, with about 20 layers of tulle on the skirt. It was a dream...still, I'd have just LOVED to have had the Regency I'm embroidering finished, or an early English Ren. just to really stand out. Fashion always calls on the past, and I love seeing styles come back in. I saw a few Jessica McClintock dresses remenisant of the bustle era, and Regency has become very popular again. My personal favorite, though, were New-Look style dresses with very full skirts coming to mid-calve. Too cute! -Alison Stacy AliaClaire@aol.com Canton, Ohio _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 15:30:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17537 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:30:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA22472; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA27000 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:37:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.worldaccessnet.com (v8BtDFAzS3AtJcNDLlHo183hdsbez1C6@worldaccessnet.com [206.190.139.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id OAA26970 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:37:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vortex.worldaccessnet.com id m10m1Tj-000dQwC; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:37:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail3.2.0.91#4) Received: from max5-48.worldaccessnet.com(206.190.132.148), claiming to be "sidne" via SMTP by worldaccessnet.com, id smtpdAAAa00556; Mon May 24 13:37:41 1999 Message-ID: <012701bea625$5c518640$9484bece@sidne> From: "Sidne Kneeland" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST: Flemish 16th century Costume Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:38:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sidne Kneeland" Greetings Drea, This is an impressive page and an impressive piece of research! Huzzah. Sidne/ In the SCA/Estrelda .... the paper I gave on Flemish Dress at the Medieval Congress is > now online. You can check it out at > http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/lowerclass/flemish-dress.html > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 16:33:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18866 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:33:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA00690; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:44:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA07627 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:35:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bajor.ici.net (bajor.ici.net [207.180.0.58]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA07598 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:34:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (d-ma-superpop-2-28.ici.net [207.180.42.28]) by bajor.ici.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA14847 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905242122.RAA14847@bajor.ici.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity 8725 Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:34:56 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Irene leNoir To: "H-Costume" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id QAA18866 Status: O -Poster: Irene leNoir >1. I did get a chance to take a quick look at the instruction sheet. From >what I saw, there are not separate front and side front pieces. Bustline >fullness is added by easing the underarm area of the front to the back at >the side seam. However, the photo of the made up gown (one in gold) clearly >has a princess type seam. Does the pattern indeed have a seam there or was >that just an adjustment they did to make the model in the photo look better? I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice this. I looked at the instructions for about a half-hour trying to find that princess seam. No, it is not in the pattern, but yes, it is in the dress worn by the model. If you ask me, I think that was very bad form on Simplicity's part to have done that. >2. I know the pattern is not historically accurate but I could almost swear >that I read/saw an example of a gown (don't even remember what century) that >extra width was added in a way not unlike the way this pattern does. While I certainly won't say that it is definitely not period, I haven't found any examples of dresses of this time period that have fullness added in this fashion. Every example I've found uses princess seaming or gores to achieve the fullness. In addition, the right angle at the hips that they have in this pattern is just such a bad idea. The seam is practically guaranteed to wear through or tear at that point. (Of course, this is a "costume" pattern, so nobody will be wearing it more than once, right? :-) Also the dress has all the fullness at the sides, and none in front - a very unflattering effect. While I have to give Simplicity and the designer credit for creating a pattern that at least does a better job of portraying the right look than any other pattern I've seen before that purports to be of the same time period, I can't help but wonder why they didn't just use a straightforward princess line pattern. Jessica Clark SCA: Irène leNoir irene@ici.net http://home.ici.net/~beowulf/jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 18:14:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21053 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:14:19 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA15584; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:31:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA27375 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:22:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bajor.ici.net (bajor.ici.net [207.180.0.58]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA27366 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:22:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (d-ma-superpop-2-28.ici.net [207.180.42.28]) by bajor.ici.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA19332 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905242309.TAA19332@bajor.ici.net> Subject: H-COST: Fiber Properties Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:22:12 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Irene leNoir To: "H-Costume" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id SAA21053 Status: O -Poster: Irene leNoir Hello All, I'm teaching a class on understanding fabric this weekend, and I'm putting the final touches on my handout. In one area in particular, I feel like I don't have enough examples, and I'm hoping you folks can jog my memory a bit. In my section on fibers, I want to give examples of different inherent properties of different fibers. So far, I have the following * generally, natural fibers breathe, and so are cool in hot weather and warm in cold weather * generally, synthetics don't breathe as well, and aren't as comfortable in hot weather * polyester resists wrinkling * cotton is absorbent * wool is warm even when wet Can anyone think of any other examples, particularly of any fibers not mentioned above? Jessica Clark SCA: Irène leNoir irene@ici.net http://home.ici.net/~beowulf/jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 18:45:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21769 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:45:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id SAA19554; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:02:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA02544 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:53:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id RAA02519 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:53:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mamabear from [207.136.50.235] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.402) with smtp for sender: id ; Mon, 24 May 99 18:53:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <045701bea63e$ac1086e0$0200a8c1@mamabear> From: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Fiber Properties Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:39:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" How about the fact that linen wicks(I think this is the term that I am looking for) liquid and that is why you keeper cooler in it than in a synthetic. Carol Ross -----Original Message----- From: Irene leNoir To: H-Costume Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 6:26 PM Subject: H-COST: Fiber Properties -Poster: Irene leNoir Hello All, I'm teaching a class on understanding fabric this weekend, and I'm putting the final touches on my handout. In one area in particular, I feel like I don't have enough examples, and I'm hoping you folks can jog my memory a bit. In my section on fibers, I want to give examples of different inherent properties of different fibers. So far, I have the following * generally, natural fibers breathe, and so are cool in hot weather and warm in cold weather * generally, synthetics don't breathe as well, and aren't as comfortable in hot weather * polyester resists wrinkling * cotton is absorbent * wool is warm even when wet Can anyone think of any other examples, particularly of any fibers not mentioned above? Jessica Clark SCA: Irène leNoir irene@ici.net http://home.ici.net/~beowulf/jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 19:56:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23369 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:56:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA28826; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:14:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA11870 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from POP01 (mail.ex-pressnet.com [208.193.112.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA11856 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alt1 - 24.239.14.77 by ex-pressnet.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:03:26 -0400 From: "Allison Thurman" To: Subject: H-COST: star wars vogue? Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:08:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Allison Thurman" which issue of vogue featured a "spread" on hairstyles, etc? i looked through this month's issue in the store and didnt see anything about it. allison _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 20:45:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24458 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:44:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA03992; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:02:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA17682 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:53:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oly.silverlink.net (root@oly.silverlink.net [209.20.168.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA17675 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:53:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cvntlale (silver170-65.silverlink.net [209.20.170.65]) by oly.silverlink.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA24922 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990524184912.00daae08@silverlink.net> X-Sender: tsuruko@silverlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:49:12 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: debbie strub Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #331 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990523222204.00d0d180@mail.canfield.com> References: <199905240114.TAA00146@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: debbie strub Greetings, It's probably John Marshall's Make Your Own Japanese Clothes, 1988 Kodansha Int'l Ltd., ISBN 0-87011-865-X. Deb At 10:23 PM 5/23/99 -0700, you wrote: > >-Poster: Leslie Helms > >********* >Mara said teasingly: >Guess I'm gonna have to make that kimono robe for my hubby one of these >days! For those of you that are interested, there's a good book available >on making your own Japanese clothing -- how to take measurements so it'll >fit you properly. Not hard, since all the pieces are rectangles anyway. I >loaned the book to my sister, who made a beautiful robe for herself out of >some nice printed cotton, and I've made a few happi jackets and one >floor-length robe myself, based on the book. None of these garments has >anything to do with Star Wars, but I've been promising to make my hubby a >kimono-type robe for several years now, so I might as well make one that >will do double duty :D > >******** > >Okay, come clean, WHAT IS THE BOOK CALLED? Yep, you brought it up, now you >have to divulge the data! Or we'll fuss! > >Larisa > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 20:47:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24471 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:47:10 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA04214; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:04:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA17923 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:55:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA17917 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:55:30 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com (8026) by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6XWKa29329 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <80a13fb5.247b5cd1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:54:25 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Fiber Properties To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com polyester resists wrinkling BECAUSE it does not absorb moisture well rayon, being even more absorbent than cotton, takes dyes well but also wrinkles badly rayon is weaker when wet, so dry cleaning is often recommended (linen doesn't really wick moisture, by the way) wool fibers will felt together when subjected to heat and moisture because of the scales on the surface silk is the only natural filament fiber And please, be sure your students learn the difference between FIBER and FABRIC. Whenever I read or hear a reference to "silk or satin," I could scream! Silk is, of course, a fiber, and can be woven or knitted into satin, chiffon, brocade, jersey, velvet, etc. Satin is a fabric with the satin weave structure and can be made from silk, polyester, acetate, or any fiber with a natural sheen to give the characteristic shiny surface. There, I got that off my chest. Good luck. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 21:53:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26043 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:53:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA12578; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:10:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA25524 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:01:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA25508 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:01:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-172-164.pq.ca.ibm.net [129.37.172.164]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA113468 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:01:15 GMT Message-Id: <199905250301.DAA113468@out5.ibm.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:00:48 -0400 From: Hilary Doda To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Forties patterns X-Mailer: Hilary Doda's registered AK-Mail 3.0b [eng] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Hilary Doda I seem to recall a thread a while back about dresses for the 1940s, but I unfortunately managed to delete it all. :(. I'm looking for a commercial pattern for a dress to wear swing dancing - something from the appropriate time, that's easy to move in. Any recommendations? Hilary Doda. ************************************************************************** There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." - Dave Barry _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 21:58:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26062 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:58:02 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA13124; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:15:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA26105 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:05:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA26097 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:05:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from digger.excite.com ([199.172.152.82]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990525030521.UAR8528.fortune@digger.excite.com> for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:05:21 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Fiber Properties Message-Id: <927601522.27242.976@excite.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:05:22 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 161.38.5.97 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "StitchWitch" > Can anyone think of any other examples, particularly of any fibers not > mentioned above? Well, they *all* stink when applied to open flame . . . Kate ---- StitchWitch Man is certainly stark mad: he cannot make a flea, yet he makes gods by the dozens. - Montaigne, Essays - 1588 _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 22:08:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26301 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:08:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA14725; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:25:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA27307 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:16:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA27297 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:16:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.130] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 10m7hP-0003sl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:16:15 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:17:09 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Fiber Properties In-Reply-To: <927601522.27242.976@excite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 08:05 PM 5/24/99 -0700, you wrote: > >-Poster: "StitchWitch" >Well, they *all* stink when applied to open flame . . . Kate {laughing} I've been told that's true -- and that each stinks quite differently and that by the odor and the way the fibers burn and the ashes they leave that one can tell the contents. Carol, not that experienced with all of them to feel comfortable trying the burn test... _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 22:15:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26505 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:15:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA15547; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA28049 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:22:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (00217146@bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA28042 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:22:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA09607 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:26:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:26:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Forties patterns In-Reply-To: <199905250301.DAA113468@out5.ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> It may not be perfectly accurate, but simplicity's costume collection has a swing dress that isn't bad.... On Mon, 24 May 1999, Hilary Doda wrote: > > -Poster: Hilary Doda > > I seem to recall a thread a while back about dresses for the 1940s, but I > unfortunately managed to delete it all. :(. I'm looking for a commercial > pattern for a dress to wear swing dancing - something from the appropriate > time, that's easy to move in. Any recommendations? > > Hilary Doda. > > ************************************************************************** > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > - Dave Barry > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 22:31:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26930 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:31:58 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA17643; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA29954 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:40:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA29940 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:40:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.121.31]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA25601 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <374A1BED.7FE2960C@mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:41:33 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Fiber Properties References: <199905242309.TAA19332@bajor.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Janice Dallas I can think of two other things off-hand. In sheer fabrics like chiffons, silk will be the lightest and "float" best, while rayon is a good second, and polyester is quite heavy. Also, If you hold a fabric in your hand for a little while, natural fabrics will usually feel warm to the touch, while synthetics will feel cool. Occassionally I'll come across a cool pure natural, but I suspect that the finishing is what is affecting the feel of it. -- Janice Dallas JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 23:37:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28264 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:37:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA24126; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA07053 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:45:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA07029 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:45:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip157.an1-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.12.157]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14701 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <374A2B19.711432E3@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:46:18 -0400 From: Laurel Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03C-NSCP (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Stained dress References: <37475FF2.6A7814@san.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Laurel Wilson Moving on from stains to smells: does anybody know how to get the smell of tobacco out of otherwise clean clothes (formerly worn by a heavy smoker)? Thanks, Lauri _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 23:40:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28335 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:40:26 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA24470; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:57:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA07545 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:48:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA07536 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:48:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.130] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 10m98W-0003Lh-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:48:20 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:49:14 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: H-COST: Fwd: Re: Corded Belts, garb and veils Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Someone from another list I frequest wondered about the authenticity of the attire in the 'Robin Hood' film that starred Patrick Bergen. In particular, she mentioned the veil Marian is wearing. I answered: Marian's veil...I don't recall seeing it, but I'm sure I must have...my best guess would be silk chiffon. Light as dandelion fluffs upon the wind. She then followed up with: Date: Tu990525 From: Elysant Su: Re: Corded Belts, garb and veils To: SCA-GARB@LIST.UVM.EDU >Wonderful description! :-) Is it documentable for 12 century? I >thought chiffon was more modern... I don't know. Could anyone here comment, both on whether silk or other chiffon was documentable to 12th century, and if not, what else may have been--and also on whether you find the film's attire to be fairly authentic to the period or not? It would be wonderful if you would copy your comments directly to the lady at: Elysant . Many, many thanks. I learn so much from all of you here gathered. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 24 23:59:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28696 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:59:25 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA26808; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:17:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA09828 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:07:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.neaccess.net (mailhost.neaccess.net [204.255.214.236]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA09813 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:07:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default (camb0479.capecod.net [209.244.245.225]) by mailhost.neaccess.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id BAA15303 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 01:07:43 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990525010018.006a9014@neaccess.net> X-Sender: kenton@neaccess.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 01:00:18 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Donna Kenton Subject: Re: H-COST: Stained dress In-Reply-To: <374A2B19.711432E3@earthlink.net> References: <37475FF2.6A7814@san.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Donna Kenton Lots of fresh air! If you can hang it outside in a good breeze for a few days, out of sunlight, if you're afraid of fading, that should do it. Alternatively, charcoal works very well for removing stains. I've wrapped ordinary charcoal briquets in paper towels and put the shirt into a trash bag with these briquets for a few days. It may take repeated attempts, depending upon how smokey the clothes are. Donna At 12:46 AM 5/25/99 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: Laurel Wilson > >Moving on from stains to smells: does anybody know how to get the smell >of tobacco out of otherwise clean clothes (formerly worn by a heavy >smoker)? > >Thanks, >Lauri > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > __________________________________________________ Visit my web page -- http://www.dabbler.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 00:04:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA28898 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 00:04:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA27621; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA10304 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.neaccess.net (mailhost.neaccess.net [204.255.214.236]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA10296 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:12:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default (camb0479.capecod.net [209.244.245.225]) by mailhost.neaccess.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id BAA15366 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 01:12:34 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990525011127.0069cf94@neaccess.net> X-Sender: kenton@neaccess.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 01:11:27 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Donna Kenton Subject: Re: H-COST: Stained dress In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990525010018.006a9014@neaccess.net> References: <374A2B19.711432E3@earthlink.net> <37475FF2.6A7814@san.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Donna Kenton >Alternatively, charcoal works very well for removing stains. Umm, that should be "removing odors." *sigh* That's what I get for writing when I should be sleeping! Donna __________________________________________________ Visit my web page -- http://www.dabbler.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 00:52:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA29955 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 00:52:11 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA02261; Tue, 25 May 1999 00:09:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA14498 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 00:00:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA14492 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 00:00:13 -0600 (MDT) From: seamstrix@juno.com Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id EBFNPX9G; Tue, 25 May 1999 01:58:18 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:01:30 -0500 Subject: Re: H-COST: Fiber Properties Message-ID: <19990525.005631.-619893.0.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-44 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com Classically speaking, rayon gets stiff when wet and is prone to fiber breakage until dry. Ramie is also a rather brittle fiber which tends to break along fold lines. Karen On Mon, 24 May 1999 19:22:12 -0400 Irene leNoir writes: > >-Poster: Irene leNoir > >Hello All, > >I'm teaching a class on understanding fabric this weekend, and I'm >putting the final touches on my handout. In one area in particular, I > >feel like I don't have enough examples, and I'm hoping you folks can >jog >my memory a bit. > >In my section on fibers, I want to give examples of different inherent > >properties of different fibers. So far, I have the following > >* generally, natural fibers breathe, and so are cool in hot weather >and >warm in cold weather >* generally, synthetics don't breathe as well, and aren't as >comfortable >in hot weather >* polyester resists wrinkling >* cotton is absorbent >* wool is warm even when wet > >Can anyone think of any other examples, particularly of any fibers not > >mentioned above? > >Jessica Clark >SCA: Irène leNoir >irene@ici.net >http://home.ici.net/~beowulf/jessica > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 01:56:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA31480 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 01:56:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id BAA06917; Tue, 25 May 1999 01:14:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id BAA19279 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 01:05:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.inreach.com ([209.142.0.6]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id BAA19271 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 01:05:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default (209-142-43-169.stk.inreach.net [209.142.43.169]) by smtp.inreach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02465 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <374A4AD1.DC5EB640@inreach.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:01:37 -0700 From: Diana H Organization: Well, I wouldn't call it organized...... X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Subject: H-COST: [Fwd: Garb Embellishment Show & Talk] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------B007D02B24558FB66377C577" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Diana H This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B007D02B24558FB66377C577 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow costumers, If any of you live within a decent driving distance of Santa Cruz, CA you might want to check this out. It sounds like a wonderful talk and I am jealous of anyone who gets to go since I cannot. And if anyone does get to go, maybe you could share some of the important points with the rest of us...... Diana :~> --------------B007D02B24558FB66377C577 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from postoffice.reachme.net (reachme.net [209.142.0.26]) by smtp.inreach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24960; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu ([128.114.129.45]) by postoffice.reachme.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-58767U3000L300S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:19:19 -0700 Received: from [128.114.27.84] (ssd09.UCSC.EDU [128.114.27.84]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.4.cats-athena) with ESMTP id PAA14886 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:26:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: trishw@cats-po-1.ucsc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 15:27:02 -0700 To: sca-west@rogues.net From: Rowan Oldway of Oakhaven Subject: Garb Embellishment Show & Talk Reply-To: sca-west@rogues.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To my fellow SCA'ers with an interest - I wanted to let people know about the following: A Show & Tell/Lecture on "The Use and Value of a Number of Needle Arts Techniques in Recreating Historical Costumes" by Lynn McMasters Lynn will have many period hats and FULL costumes on display for close-up examination for the purpose of discussing the use of such needle arts techniques as: ruching, beading, bejeweling, quilting, trapunto, embroidery and more. The costumes and hats are mostly in the range from the late 1400's to early 1600's. The talk is free - and her re-creations are exquisite. For a preview of Lynn's work, check out her web site at http://www.jps.net/lynnmcm/lynn.html The site has many wonderful pictures and details. Be sure to check out the entire sections on embellishment, accessories, and hats! Wed. Jun 2nd 7:00 PM Sherri's Workshop 1121 Soquel Ave. Santa Cruz (831) 476-5425 If you are interested in making the trip for this (it will be WELL worth a special trip), please email me and I can give you directions. My humble apologies to any non-interested parties for the bandwidth. **************************************************************** Trish Waldon voice: (831) 459-3857 Social Sciences Development fax: (831) 459-5900 310 Social Sciences I email: trishw@cats.ucsc.edu University of California Santa Cruz, CA 95064 ---------------------------- This is the SCA-West mailing list. To unsubscribe, send email to request-sca-west@rogues.net with 'unsubscribe' in the body. --------------B007D02B24558FB66377C577-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 03:58:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA00071 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:58:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id DAA12428; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:15:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id DAA26582 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:05:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scorpion.netspace.net.au (scorpion.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.106]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id DAA26573 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:05:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.70]) by scorpion.netspace.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id TAA21816 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 19:05:27 +1000 (EST) Received: from netspace.net.au.netspace.net.au (dialup-t1-227.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [210.15.250.227]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id TAA10074 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 19:05:24 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199905250905.TAA10074@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Journey to the Centre of the Earth Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 19:04:26 +1000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Christopher Ballis" > -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" > > So this is the continuation of the series? I remember this was a movie > special about a year ago. > Dunno, they feed me food, clothe me inc lothes and pay me money. Apart from that, I am told nothing. -C. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 07:00:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA04120 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 07:00:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA20471; Tue, 25 May 1999 06:18:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA17578 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 06:08:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bajor.ici.net (bajor.ici.net [207.180.0.58]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA17569 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 06:08:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (d-ma-superpop-2-28.ici.net [207.180.42.28]) by bajor.ici.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA11513 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 07:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905251156.HAA11513@bajor.ici.net> Subject: H-COST: Fiber Properties Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:08:38 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Irene leNoir To: "H-Costume" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id HAA04120 Status: O -Poster: Irene leNoir Hello Everyone, Thanks for the suggestions so far. However, I've noticed that a lot of the suggestions given so far are negative properties of the fibers. I was hoping to find more positive aspects. Thanks for the help Jessica Clark SCA: Irène leNoir irene@ici.net http://home.ici.net/~beowulf/jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 07:03:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA04301 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 07:03:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA20781; Tue, 25 May 1999 06:21:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA17853 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 06:12:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA17847 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 06:12:13 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com (8031) by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6FKEa02106 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:11:22 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Fiber Properties To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com rayon drapes very well and takes dyes well and is cheap silk takes dyes well and drapes well and has a very pleasant "hand" wool's felting properties can, of course, be an asset--look at yurts! I guess we do tend to think of negatives because they limit how we can use fabrics from the various fibers. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 08:55:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06683 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:55:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA02693; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA00227 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:02:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA00216 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:02:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.121.31]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA20924 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <374AADCD.8413DAFC@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:03:57 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Stained dress References: <37475FF2.6A7814@san.rr.com> <374A2B19.711432E3@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Janice Dallas If it doesn't come out with regular washing, try using a little Listerine in the next wash. If you can't wash it, try spraying the inside with Lysol. Of course, try an inconpicuous spot first, it may stain silk, for all I know. It's great on costumes when you can't get them to the cleaners. I hear Febreeze is good, but leaves a floral smell and stiffens the fabric a bit. -- Janice Dallas JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 08:56:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06690 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:56:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA02863; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:14:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA00444 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:04:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (smtp0.mindspring.com [207.69.200.30]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA00428 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (user-2iveibj.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.73.115]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA15564 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00d901bea6b7$62689680$7349f7a5@pavilion> From: "Megan McHugh" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #331 Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:03:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Megan McHugh" Well, is it this book? If not, which one? I am interested...... >-Poster: debbie strub > >Greetings, > > It's probably John Marshall's Make Your Own Japanese Clothes, 1988 >Kodansha Int'l Ltd., >ISBN 0-87011-865-X. > >Deb > > >At 10:23 PM 5/23/99 -0700, you wrote: >> >>-Poster: Leslie Helms >> >>********* >>Mara said teasingly: >>Guess I'm gonna have to make that kimono robe for my hubby one of these >>days! For those of you that are interested, there's a good book available >>on making your own Japanese clothing -- how to take measurements so it'll >>fit you properly. Not hard, since all the pieces are rectangles anyway. I >>loaned the book to my sister, who made a beautiful robe for herself out of >>some nice printed cotton, and I've made a few happi jackets and one >>floor-length robe myself, based on the book. None of these garments has >>anything to do with Star Wars, but I've been promising to make my hubby a >>kimono-type robe for several years now, so I might as well make one that >>will do double duty :D >> >>******** >> >>Okay, come clean, WHAT IS THE BOOK CALLED? Yep, you brought it up, now you >>have to divulge the data! Or we'll fuss! >> >>Larisa >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 09:00:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06772 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 09:00:33 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA03596; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:18:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA01288 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA01260 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:08:54 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (327) by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6RCCa02576 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:07:25 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Journey to the Centre of the Earth To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 5/25/99 5:21:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stilskin@netspace.net.au writes: << Dunno, they feed me food, clothe me inc lothes and pay me money. Apart from that, I am told nothing. >> Surely they tell you where to stand! I encourage anyone who has the time to be an extra. The process of filming is so unlike the final product, it is amazing. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 09:50:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07857 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 09:50:43 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA10088; Tue, 25 May 1999 09:08:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA10069 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:59:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA10050 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bessie.excite.com ([199.172.152.102]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990525145830.CCJG8528.fortune@bessie.excite.com> for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 07:58:30 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Journey to the Centre of the Earth Message-Id: <927644310.20022.806@excite.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:58:30 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "StitchWitch" > > > -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" > > > > So this is the continuation of the series? I remember this was a movie > > special about a year ago. > > > > Dunno, they feed me food, clothe me inc lothes and pay me money. Apart from > that, I am told nothing. > > -C. Are you sure you didn't accidentally join the military? Kate ---- StitchWitch Man is certainly stark mad: he cannot make a flea, yet he makes gods by the dozens. - Montaigne, Essays - 1588 _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 10:05:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08211 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:05:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA11908; Tue, 25 May 1999 09:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA12895 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 09:13:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (edtnps04.telusplanet.net [198.161.157.104]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA12876 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 09:13:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clgrtnt4-port-248.agt.net ([161.184.49.248]:1031 "HELO Freya") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id <230327-23526>; Tue, 25 May 1999 09:13:06 -0600 X-Sender: agottfre@pop.telusplanet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: H-COST: Joan of Arc on CBS X-Mailer: Message-Id: <19990525151320Z230327-23526+51@smtp1.telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:13:06 -0600 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Was Joan of Arc so horrible it's utterly beneath mention? The costuming, I mean, although I thought the acting/script wasn't too great. "Not my period", Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 12:53:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11958 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 12:53:39 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA08867; Tue, 25 May 1999 12:11:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA19146 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 12:01:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Mackie.com (mackie1.mackie.com [209.168.18.190]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id MAA19130 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 12:01:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Mackie-Message_Server by Mackie.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 25 May 1999 11:04:12 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:03:53 -0700 From: "Colleen McDonald Hinrichs" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Alms pouches Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id MAA11958 Status: O -Poster: "Colleen McDonald Hinrichs" Hello List - I am trying to locate some pictures showing alms pouches as part of an overall outfit. I have some pictures of existing pouches that are very detailed; however, nothing showing them in actual use. The time period that I am looking for is 14th century - between 1320 - 1390, if possible. Does anyone out there have an idea of where I need to look to find this? Thanks! Colleen McDonald Hinrichs _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 14:03:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13548 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:03:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA20505; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:21:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA03399 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:11:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA03365 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:11:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip203-80.cc.interlog.com [207.34.203.80]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA14170 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990522005753.0094f990@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 00:57:53 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: Sewing Machine Question Cross-post In-Reply-To: <199905211649.LAA16762@rrnet.com> References: <37456D9A.1E8812AE@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, >As a former sewing machine dealer, who sews and sergers for hours every >day, take my word on this: >DO NOT BUY A SINGER. >You will regret it every time. They are not the company they used to be. >Unless you buy a 50 year old, black cast iron Singer, don't waste your >money. Although I essentially agree with this. (I hate my singer) This fall I was talking to a Pfaff dealer (great machines - definitely recommended) and he said that Pfaff had recently taken over Singer's Research & Development department and that we should look for a better Singer soon. Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 14:23:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14029 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:23:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA24605; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:41:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA07213 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:31:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id NAA07176 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:31:24 -0600 (MDT) From: lynnx@mc.net Received: (qmail 29107 invoked from network); 25 May 1999 19:31:22 -0000 Received: from tntmodem1-107.mc.net (HELO HEATHERL) (209.172.133.107) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 25 May 1999 19:31:22 -0000 Message-ID: <374B1A94.12E1@mc.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:48:04 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: 40's dress patterns References: <199905250905.DAA26591@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: lynnx@mc.net Have you looked at Vogue Patterns (and the other Big 3)? I'd also keep an eye on eBay, the auction site: http://www.ebay.com/ You can search for what you want, such as vintage patterns etc. Also, http://www.fabrics.net/ if I recall right has links to pattern co.s. Luck, Heather > I seem to recall a thread a while back about dresses for the 1940s, but > I unfortunately managed to delete it all. I'm looking for a commercial > pattern for a dress to wear swing dancing - something from the > appropriate time, that's easy to move in. Any recommendations? > > Hilary Doda. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 14:26:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14059 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:26:25 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA25465; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:44:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA08003 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:34:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wren.prod.itd.earthlink.net (wren.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.64]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA07969 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumemag.com (1Cust129.tnt5.denver.co.da.uu.net [63.14.55.129]) by wren.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15216 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 12:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <374AA0C3.C64DE517@costumemag.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:08:20 -0600 From: Mary Denise Smith Organization: Costume & Dressmaker Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Forties patterns References: <199905250301.DAA113468@out5.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Mary Denise Smith Hello List, Vogue Patterns has published an ongoing series of vintage reproduction patterns from their archives. There are some 40s dresses and suits in the collection. The patterns have been adapted from their original publication (printed, with seam allowances, etc), and have been sized according to modern standards. The chain stores that carry Vogue put them on sale occasionally. Hope this helps, Mary Denise Smith Costume & Dressmaker Press Publications for Serious Costumers http://www/costumemag.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 15:25:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15399 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:25:19 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA07262; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:42:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA20693 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:32:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from polaris.shore.net (polaris.shore.net [207.244.124.105]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA20643; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:32:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103] by polaris.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 10mNs2-0005QY-00; Tue, 25 May 1999 16:32:19 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) id 10mNs0-0001Rp-00; Tue, 25 May 1999 16:32:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:32:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: historic costume , vintage costume Subject: H-COST: Cleopatra Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Katy Bishop Sorry, this if off topic, but did any one tape Cleopatra this week? I was out and forgot. I'd love to borrow someone's copy. Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 20:49:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22572 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:49:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA24757; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:08:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA04034 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 19:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p2.acadia.net (root@p2.acadia.net [205.217.210.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA04025 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 19:57:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.217.218.232] (ell177.acadia.net [205.217.218.232]) by p2.acadia.net (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA02595 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 21:57:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: pulliam@post.acadia.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:58:29 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: pulliam@acadia.net (Deborah Pulliam) Subject: H-COST: fibers and fabrics Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: pulliam@acadia.net (Deborah Pulliam) <> Even wool (in the past.) Deborah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 21:02:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22977 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 21:02:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA26084; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:21:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA05775 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:11:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from komarr.local.thibault.org (adsl-151-197-16-76.bellatlantic.net [151.197.16.76]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA05762 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:11:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thibault.org (granny.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.16]) by komarr.local.thibault.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA29109 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 21:11:31 -0400 Message-ID: <374B5828.D984A7F4@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:11:07 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue Organization: Virtue Ventures http://www.virtue.to X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: fibers and fabrics References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Cynthia Virtue > < Even wool (in the past.) Still! My mom brought me some absolutely delicious wool satin in blue-grey from Scotland. I haven't figured out what to make from it yet; it's only about 2 yards. -- "It was pretty much historically accurate, except for the talking dogs." -- The Truly Dangerous Co. Fabric for Bachelors: how to buy good work clothing http://www.virtue.to _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 21:27:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23428 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 21:27:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA28781; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:44:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA09101 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:34:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA09082 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:34:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id MAA07221 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:04:01 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA04520; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:12:55 +0930 Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:12:47 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Alms pouches In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Tue, 25 May 1999, Colleen McDonald Hinrichs wrote: > > I am trying to locate some pictures showing alms pouches as > part of an overall outfit. I have some pictures of existing > pouches that are very detailed; however, nothing showing > them in actual use. The time period that I am looking for is 14th > century - between 1320 - 1390, if possible. > > Does anyone out there have an idea of where I need to look > to find this? > Sadly, I think you might be out of luck.... One often sees 'aulmonieres' on belts in 13th century illuminations, but in the 14th century not so. Certainly not once cote-hardies come in. I believe the belt was worn under the outside garment, and the purse hung off that. I've seen piccies of men stripped down to their undies with their purses hung off the belt holding them up. Makes it tricky to get to (unless you have fitchets in your cotehardie) but it also makes it tricky for thieves to get to.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue May 25 22:37:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24943 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:37:16 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA08039; Tue, 25 May 1999 21:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA17943 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 21:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA17927 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 21:45:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip93.an1-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.12.93]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23015 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <374AD55F.B1228466@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:52:49 -0400 From: Laurel Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03C-NSCP (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Interesting rumor... References: <00bb01be95d5$03901720$661cbfa8@dsc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Laurel Wilson Boydell & Brewer are issuing a reprint of Newton's *Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince*, scheduled to be out in September. No pricing information so far. Sorry for the belated response: I'm just now catching up on this month's e-mail. Lauri _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 00:34:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA27557 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:34:11 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA18275; Tue, 25 May 1999 23:50:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA01132 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 23:40:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA01120 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 23:40:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Gwnvr@aol.com Received: from Gwnvr@aol.com (8045) by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6GONa02742 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 01:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20f4d64c.247ce302@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 01:39:14 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: paper dolls To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Gwnvr@aol.com In a message dated 5/13/99 2:33:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, susanf@netwiz.net writes: << I meant the Star Wars paper dolls. I saw some at Target a few days ago. Jen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 01:14:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA28632 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 01:14:00 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA21537; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:32:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA04363 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA04358 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip203-30.cc.interlog.com [207.34.203.30]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA18932 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 02:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990526015528.00905ab0@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 01:55:28 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: Fiber Properties In-Reply-To: <199905242309.TAA19332@bajor.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, >In one area in particular, I feel like I don't have enough examples, and >I'm hoping you folks can jog my memory a bit. How about the fact that silk is an excellent insulator? Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 01:35:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA29077 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 01:35:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA23148; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:55:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA06078 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:44:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay4.hawaii.edu (relay4.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.12]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id AAA06071 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:44:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from uhunix1.its.hawaii.edu ([128.171.44.6]) by relay4.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <373965(1)>; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:44:12 -1000 Received: from localhost by uhunix1.its.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <135688(6)>; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:44:05 -1000 Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:44:04 -1000 From: lisaleon@hawaii.edu X-Sender: lisaleon@uhunix1 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Interesting rumor... In-Reply-To: <374AD55F.B1228466@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: lisaleon@hawaii.edu I just heard from a book dealer that QE's Wardrobe Unlock'd is going to be printed again in a few months too. She had no price info yet either. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 01:45:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA29295 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 01:45:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id BAA23837; Wed, 26 May 1999 01:04:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA06790 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:53:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay4.hawaii.edu (relay4.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.12]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id AAA06785 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:53:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from uhunix1.its.hawaii.edu ([128.171.44.6]) by relay4.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <373849(7)>; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:53:46 -1000 Received: from localhost by uhunix1.its.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <135688(1)>; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:53:43 -1000 Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:53:40 -1000 From: X-Sender: lisaleon@uhunix1 To: Multiple recipients of list H-COSTUME Subject: H-COST: cleaning fur Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: I recently found a couple of rabbit(?) fur jackets at Goodwill which I plan to take apart and turn into costume parts someday. I'd like to clean them first and having absolutely no experience with fur, am supposing I should take them to a dry cleaner. I don't think cleaners in Hawaii have much experience with fur either...is there anything special I should tell them? And should I take them as jackets or disassemble them and just take the fur pieces? The linings aren't in very good condition and I'll probably discard them anyway. thanks, lisa _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 05:04:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA32354 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 05:04:42 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id EAA02957; Wed, 26 May 1999 04:23:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id EAA22292 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 04:12:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (smtp4.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id EAA22098 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 04:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from spry117883spry01.sprynet.com (hil-c52-004-vty149.as.wcom.net [206.175.118.149]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA16244 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00fc01bea75f$563b2140$8776afce@sprynet.com> From: "TC Carstensen" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Joan of Arc on CBS Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 06:05:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "TC Carstensen" agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) wrote: > >Was Joan of Arc so horrible it's utterly beneath mention? The costuming, I >mean, although I thought the acting/script wasn't too great. It's not my period, so I can't comment on the accuracy of that. However there were a few points where I found myself shrieking "I want that fabric!". :) Oh, that gold and blue brocade the king had on.... TC Carstensen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 05:34:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA00241 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 05:34:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id EAA03724; Wed, 26 May 1999 04:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id EAA29934 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 04:43:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (smtp3.mindspring.com [207.69.200.33]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id EAA29916 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 04:42:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from spry117883spry01.sprynet.com (hil-c52-004-vty149.as.wcom.net [206.175.118.149]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA24746 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012301bea763$97ec4fc0$8776afce@sprynet.com> From: "TC Carstensen" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Fiber Properties Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 06:36:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "TC Carstensen" Irene leNoir wrote: > Thanks for the suggestions so far. However, I've noticed that a lot of > the suggestions given so far are negative properties of the fibers. I > was hoping to find more positive aspects. OK. Linen becomes delightfully soft after several washings. You also can't beat it for "breatheability." TC Carstensen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 05:54:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA00688 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 05:54:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id FAA04233; Wed, 26 May 1999 05:13:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA01506 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 05:02:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id FAA01501 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 05:02:49 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com (14448) by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6ELa008831 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9da2312b.247d2ea8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:02:00 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: cleaning fur To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com You probably want to get them professionally cleaned. It will cost a bundle, though! There might be one cleaner in Hawaii who does fur--even on the mainland, cleaners send furs out to a central cleaner to do. If you don't feel it is worth the price, you can clean the fur part yourself. I once read directions for putting a cleaning solution on a sponge and stroking the hairs, but that was in the days when you could still buy carbon tetrachloride in big jugs. And you really can't do the skin yourself. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 06:10:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA00957 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:10:03 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id FAA04716; Wed, 26 May 1999 05:29:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA02422 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 05:18:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scorpion.netspace.net.au (scorpion.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.106]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id FAA02407 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 05:18:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.70]) by scorpion.netspace.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id VAA18849 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:18:28 +1000 (EST) Received: from netspace.net.au.netspace.net.au (dialup-t1-73.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [210.15.250.73]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id VAA05524 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:18:24 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199905261118.VAA05524@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Journey to the Centre of the Earth Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 21:15:55 +1000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Christopher Ballis" > << Dunno, they feed me food, clothe me inc lothes and pay me money. Apart from > that, I am told nothing. > >> > Surely they tell you where to stand! > Nah, they tell me to stop fidgeting, they also tell me it is not cold. They lie. -C. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 07:32:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02921 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:32:03 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA09542; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:50:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA08262 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:39:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rrnet.com (root@rrnet.com [206.11.160.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA08256 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:39:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from john (silver.cat.rrnet.com [206.11.160.205]) by rrnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA15539 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:39:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199905261239.HAA15539@rrnet.com> X-Sender: baird@rrnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:39:27 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "J,K,S&A Baird" Subject: Re: H-COST: fibers and fabrics In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" A few years ago, I found wool sateen (satin weave wool) made in Italy. Gorgeous! I found it at several high-end fabric stores, including G Street Fabrics in Washington. Kim At 09:58 PM 5/25/99 -0500, you wrote: > >-Poster: pulliam@acadia.net (Deborah Pulliam) > ><satin weave structure and can be made from silk, polyester, acetate, or any >fiber with a natural sheen to give the characteristic shiny surface. >> > >Even wool (in the past.) > > >Deborah > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 07:42:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA03134 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:42:37 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA10397; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:01:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA09180 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA09172 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:50:14 -0600 (MDT) From: Jean1Cait1@aol.com Received: from Jean1Cait1@aol.com (7987) by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6GFCa02104 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <887c8364.247d47d1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 08:49:21 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Interesting rumor... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Jean1Cait1@aol.com In a message dated 26.05.1999 07:44:51 GMT Daylight Time, lisaleon@hawaii.edu writes: << I just heard from a book dealer that QE's Wardrobe Unlock'd is going to be printed again in a few months too. She had no price info yet either. >> I had the pleasure to talk with Janet Arnold before she passed away and she gave me the address of her publisher here in England. I will dig to see if I can find it, she said it was about 85 pounds plus shipping and handling for the book. (but that was a year ago) Cheers! Caitrin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 07:50:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA03243 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:50:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA11357; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:10:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA10038 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:59:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA10020 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:59:19 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com (4447) by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6IVMa01068 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 08:58:09 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: fibers and fabrics To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com Technically, sateen is weft faced, while satin is warp-faced, but, yes, yarns of any fiber can be woven in a satin or sateen weave. It's just that, when one mentions satin, one usually thinks of a very shiny surfaced fabric. This comes from both the weave, which has long floats on the surface, and the luster fibers/yarns themselves. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 07:59:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA03389 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:59:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA11852; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:19:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA11021 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:08:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA11012 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:08:28 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (14393) by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6KHOa01068 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:06:09 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Interesting rumor... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id HAA03389 Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 5/26/99 8:54:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jean1Cait1@aol.com writes: << she said it was about 85 pounds plus shipping and handling >> Wow! That's a heavy tome! Oh....you mean £85! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 08:11:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03792 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:11:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA12569; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:29:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA12107 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:18:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA12093 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:18:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Jean1Cait1@aol.com Received: from Jean1Cait1@aol.com (4447) by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6DNYa15308 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:16:29 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Interesting rumor... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id IAA03792 Status: O -Poster: Jean1Cait1@aol.com In a message dated 26.05.1999 14:08:52 GMT Daylight Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: << < she said it was about 85 pounds plus shipping and handling >> Wow! That's a heavy tome! Oh....you mean £85! >> ;-) Ok, you caught me, my keyboard won't make the pound symbol. Cheers! Caitrin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 09:17:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05169 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:17:07 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA19198; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:35:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA21028 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.pacifier.com (root@smtp.pacifier.com [199.2.117.96]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA21015 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:23:59 -0600 (MDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip94.van15.pacifier.com [216.65.137.94]) by smtp.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA08522 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905261423.HAA08522@smtp.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:27:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: Interesting rumor... Priority: normal In-reply-to: <374AD55F.B1228466@earthlink.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > Boydell & Brewer are issuing a reprint of Newton's *Fashion in the Age > of the Black Prince*, scheduled to be out in September. No pricing > information so far. Oh, this is wonderful news! Her Venetian book would be nice too (if anyone has any input there.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 09:18:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05178 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:18:36 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA19569; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:38:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA21501 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:26:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.pacifier.com (root@smtp.pacifier.com [199.2.117.96]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA21492 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:26:47 -0600 (MDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip94.van15.pacifier.com [216.65.137.94]) by smtp.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA16158 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905261426.HAA16158@smtp.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:30:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: Interesting rumor... Priority: normal In-reply-to: <887c8364.247d47d1@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > I had the pleasure to talk with Janet Arnold before she passed away and she > gave me the address of her publisher here in England. I will dig to see if I > can find it, she said it was about 85 pounds plus shipping and handling for > the book. (but that was a year ago) Hmmm. That's only up about 10 pounds from what the price has been recently. (It's the shipping from England that tends to get you. I was told to expect it to be 1/4 to 1/3 the price of the book when I was there last month. That's what most of my book shipments have been running, as they had said.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 09:25:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05415 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:25:58 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA20371; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:45:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA22952 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Mackie.com (mackie1.mackie.com [209.168.18.190]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id IAA22940 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Mackie-Message_Server by Mackie.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:37:13 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:37:04 -0700 From: "Colleen McDonald Hinrichs" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Alms pouches Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id JAA05415 Status: O -Poster: "Colleen McDonald Hinrichs" Is it possible that the pouches/purses were carried rather than attached to a belt? I've got several pictures of pouches/purses that date to the 14th century in France, so it would seem that they were still in existence in that time frame, maybe just not worn on belts. Any other ideas for pictures showing alms purses/pouches in use? Thanks! Colleen McDonald Hinrichs >>Sadly, I think you might be out of luck.... One often sees 'aulmonieres' on belts in 13th century illuminations, but in the 14th century not so. Certainly not once cote-hardies come in. I believe the belt was worn under the outside garment, and the purse hung off that. I've seen piccies of men stripped down to their undies with their purses hung off the belt holding them up. Makes it tricky to get to (unless you have fitchets in your cotehardie) but it also makes it tricky for thieves to get to.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 09:39:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05654 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:39:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA22034; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:59:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA25557 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:48:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from redwood.shu.ac.uk (pp@redwood.shu.ac.uk [143.52.2.24]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA25485 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:47:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ntlupus.shu.ac.uk by redwood.shu.ac.uk with inbound ESMTP (local); Wed, 26 May 1999 15:47:01 +0100 Received: by ntlupus.shu.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BEA78E.F783D7C0@ntlupus.shu.ac.uk>; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:46:49 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Chandler, Sally" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Alms pouches Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:45:44 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 50 TEXT Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Chandler, Sally" I was lucky enough to be working at Westminster Abbey one year when the Queen distributed the Maundy money there. The purses are, I believe reproductions of the 16th century design (not, I know, what you were asking about!) and are carried or put into a pouch, not attached to a belt. Hope this helps, Sally Ann -----Original Message----- From: Colleen McDonald Hinrichs [SMTP:Colleen@Mackie.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 3:37 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Alms pouches -Poster: "Colleen McDonald Hinrichs" Is it possible that the pouches/purses were carried rather than attached to a belt? I've got several pictures of pouches/purses that date to the 14th century in France, so it would seem that they were still in existence in that time frame, maybe just not worn on belts. Any other ideas for pictures showing alms purses/pouches in use? Thanks! Colleen McDonald Hinrichs >>Sadly, I think you might be out of luck.... One often sees 'aulmonieres' on belts in 13th century illuminations, but in the 14th century not so. Certainly not once cote-hardies come in. I believe the belt was worn under the outside garment, and the purse hung off that. I've seen piccies of men stripped down to their undies with their purses hung off the belt holding them up. Makes it tricky to get to (unless you have fitchets in your cotehardie) but it also makes it tricky for thieves to get to.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Claire F. Clarke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 09:42:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05845 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:42:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA22338; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:01:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA25898 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:49:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from komarr.local.thibault.org (adsl-151-197-16-76.bellatlantic.net [151.197.16.76]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA25883 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:49:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thibault.org (granny.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.16]) by komarr.local.thibault.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA08124 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:49:21 -0400 Message-ID: <374C09F1.D8DF1AB@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:49:28 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue Organization: Virtue Ventures http://www.virtue.to X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: Resins on cotton fabric Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Cynthia Virtue Irene's fiber question reminded me of one I've been meaning to ask the Professional types on this list for a while. I know that wrinkle-resistant 100% cotton fabrics are made so by application of "resins." They also make the fabric more brittle, and I imagine that they impede water absorption/evaporation. Is it possible to get the resins out of sheets and other fabrics, or are they there pretty much for life? Are yard goods likely to have resin and yet be unlabeled as such? Thanks, cv [background, from Consumer Reports: "Some pants are touted as wrinkle resistant, and some of those claim permanant creases. Wrinkle reistance is achieved with a resin based finish with cross-linked molecular chians that lock the fibers in place but make them more brittle. The cross links are formed during a heating process either before the fabric is cut or after the pants are made. Unfinished cotton tends to be more durable, but it's more likely to shrink and often requires a working relationship with an iron."] -- "It was pretty much historically accurate, except for the talking dogs." -- The Truly Dangerous Co. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 12:06:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09023 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:06:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA16086; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:26:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA25856 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:14:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA25796 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:14:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA10418 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:14:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: fibers and fabrics In-Reply-To: <374B5828.D984A7F4@thibault.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kevin & Mara Riley 2 yards? Sounds like a vest/waistcoat to me! A good way to show off the fabric... Cheers, Mara On Tue, 25 May 1999, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > > -Poster: Cynthia Virtue > > > > < > Even wool (in the past.) > > Still! My mom brought me some absolutely delicious wool satin in > blue-grey from Scotland. I haven't figured out what to make from it > yet; it's only about 2 yards. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 12:26:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09468 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:26:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA19413; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA00309 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:34:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA00284 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:34:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990526173429.CGZD22376.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@c59303-a> for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:34:29 -0700 Message-ID: <006901bea79e$28c19840$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Subject: H-COST: foundation support Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:20:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" Ok, so I did not know how to title this. I am embarrassed to ask this but I gotta know. I need help. This weekend I am wearing a Chiton. After standing in the mirror I have concluded that my breasts are no longer the perky full things they used to before my two babies. My nipples point down instead of up now. :( Now that you know where I am coming from, how do those beauty contestants keep their boobage up under those sheer slinky not virginal examples of dresses? I remember a few years ago we discussed this and we talked about tapes and gum and other strange things. I scoffed at it all. Now however I find myself the butt of my own scoffing. To top it all off I am playing the part of Aphrodite! Help!! Sincerely, F. Havas (who has lost Aphrodite's magic golden girdle of youthful illusionary beauty) Dallas, Texas _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 12:41:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09899 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:41:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA21794; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:00:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA03410 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:48:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA03394 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:48:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA15054 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:48:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: foundation support In-Reply-To: <006901bea79e$28c19840$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kevin & Mara Riley On Wed, 26 May 1999, Franchesca Havas wrote: > -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" > > Ok, so I did not know how to title this. I am embarrassed to ask this but I > gotta know. I need help. This weekend I am wearing a Chiton. After standing > in the mirror I have concluded that my breasts are no longer the perky full > things they used to before my two babies. My nipples point down instead of > up now. :( > > Now that you know where I am coming from, how do those beauty contestants > keep their boobage up under those sheer slinky not virginal examples of > dresses? I remember a few years ago we discussed this and we talked about > tapes and gum and other strange things. I scoffed at it all. Now however I > find myself the butt of my own scoffing. > > To top it all off I am playing the part of Aphrodite! Help!! > > Sincerely, > F. Havas (who has lost Aphrodite's magic golden girdle of youthful > illusionary beauty) > Dallas, Texas Well, to perk yourself up (no pun intended), take a look at some of the Renaissance Masters' paintings of Venus and Adonis... she's no Twiggy! And the Venus de Milo isn't, either. Maybe you can experiment with some bandeau tops such as Roman women seem to have worn while exercizing -- there was a discussion about such tops on this list a little while ago. If I were making a bandeau for such purposes, I'd probably take a strip of bias-cut cloth and wrap it around my torso snugly enough to stay in place, then pin it. You'd want bias-cut cloth for its stretching qualities. Has anyone else had experience with this sort of thing? Think of it as the Roman version of a strapless bra! Cheers, Mara _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 12:43:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09939 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:43:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA22662; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:03:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA03965 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:51:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA03931 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:51:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA15455 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 19:51:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp189-168.worldonline.nl [195.241.189.168]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA17665 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 19:51:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905261751.TAA17665@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Alms pouches Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:50:53 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hello List, Colleen wrote: > I am trying to locate some pictures showing alms pouches as > part of an overall outfit. By 'alms pouches' I suppose you mean the pouch hanging from the belt, which is meant to contain money (and from which you could pay alms, but also the butcher and the baker...). In my opinion it is wrong to call this useful thing thus; the medieval person just spoke of his or her 'purse'. I have some pictures of existing > pouches that are very detailed; however, nothing showing > them in actual use. The time period that I am looking for is 14th > century - between 1320 - 1390, if possible. There are not many pictures of people wearing purses in the 14th c. There are some in the Manesse Manuscript (1305-20, fig. 27, 3 hanging from a pole, fig. 51, a purse which contained a scroll, fig 125, actually hanging from a belt), in the Luttrell Psalter (ca 1335, f.i. f. 186v, a man in the process of actually giving alms, f. 163v, a pitcher carrying woman with a purse hanging from her belt) and in the Romance d'Alexandre (ca 1340, f. 138 e.o.). There is more, I have seen it, but it takes too long to look it all up again. Just look for miniatures of city folk, not court people or peasants. Hope this helps, Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 12:49:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09961 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:49:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA23947; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:09:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA05097 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:58:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA05061 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:58:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.121.31]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA08003 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <374C367D.489C67C3@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:59:25 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: foundation support References: <006901bea79e$28c19840$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Janice Dallas I suggest flesh-colored ace bandage wrapping. Start below the breasts and work up. Just be careful not to pull too tight. Know of some people who have used various tapes, but they're painful to remove. One used an abdominal support on her chest to play the part of a boy and ended up fainting because it was too tight. -- Janice Dallas JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 13:03:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10398 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:03:39 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA25844; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:23:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA08000 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wren.prod.itd.earthlink.net (wren.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.64]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA07985 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:11:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumemag.com (1Cust178.tnt12.denver.co.da.uu.net [63.14.43.178]) by wren.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26719 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <374C38A9.734BD326@costumemag.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:08:43 -0600 From: Mary Denise Smith Organization: Costume & Dressmaker Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Fashion In The Age Of The Black Prince References: <199905261423.HAA08522@smtp.pacifier.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Mary Denise Smith Hello List, I talked with the folks from Boydell & Brewer at a book publishing trade show recently. Fashion In The Age Of The Black Prince will indeed be available in September, for $35. I think AlterYears will have it, and Poison Pen Press. It will be available through my web site via amazon.com. Hope this helps, Mary Denise Smith Costume & Dressmaker Press Publications for Serious Costumers http://www.costumemag.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 14:10:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13927 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:10:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA06628; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:29:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA21376 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:18:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA21305 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:17:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from claude.excite.com ([199.172.152.181]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990526191721.CFMP13604.fortune@claude.excite.com> for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:17:21 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Fashion In The Age Of The Black Prince Message-Id: <927746241.21403.66@excite.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:17:21 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "StitchWitch" > > I talked with the folks from Boydell & Brewer at a book publishing trade show recently. Fashion In > The Age Of The Black Prince will indeed be available in September, for $35. Huzzah! This sounds like a very cool tome, one that I simply must add to the rapidly growing library that is taking over the back third of my home. (That's what I get for joining the Crafter's Book Club, SIGH!) Kate ---- StitchWitch Man is certainly stark mad: he cannot make a flea, yet he makes gods by the dozens. - Montaigne, Essays - 1588 _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 14:27:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28941 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:27:03 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA09624; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:46:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA24411 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:35:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA24388 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:35:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bucky.excite.com ([199.172.152.80]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with ESMTP id <19990526193448.CHNU13604.fortune@bucky.excite.com>; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:34:48 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com, icg-l@lists.best.com Subject: H-COST: 'Phantom' Costume Inspirations Message-Id: <927747289.1538.339@excite.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:34:49 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "StitchWitch" Hello! I know many of you are on both lists, so I am sorry if you have to wade through this twice. To be brief, the following URL leads to an interesting article about the costume inspirations for the latest Star Wars episode. Enjoy! http://www.sfgate.com:80/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/examiner/archive/1999/05/ 20/STYLE12815.dtl Kate ---- StitchWitch Man is certainly stark mad: he cannot make a flea, yet he makes gods by the dozens. - Montaigne, Essays - 1588 _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 14:57:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06451 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:56:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA14408; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:16:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA00218 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:05:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA00186 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990526200455.MNXK19122.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:04:55 -0700 Message-ID: <374C53E4.5CCA4DD5@home.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:04:52 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: foundation support References: <006901bea79e$28c19840$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kat & Kent I have bought adhesive 'cups' at various stores (Frederick's of Hollywood I know carries them but I believe they can be found at those stores which have an actual bra fitter...I'd call first to see. As a DD they don't work as well for me but I understand that for A-C cups they work very well. Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 15:12:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06874 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:12:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA17114; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:32:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA02525 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:15:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA02464 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:15:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-159-122.s122.tnt7.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.159.122]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id QAA20550 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005101bea7b4$7b39f3e0$7a9faccf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Ren Prom Dress Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:15:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" About a month ago at my son's prom, some of the drama kids came dressed as "Interview with a Vampire". My son said they were the hit of the night! Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 15:13:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06881 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:13:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA17332; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA02441 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:15:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [209.63.222.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id OAA02279 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:14:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 9531 invoked from network); 26 May 1999 20:17:41 -0000 Received: from p157.sac2.2xtreme.net (HELO 2xtreme.net) (209.63.217.157) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 26 May 1999 20:17:41 -0000 Message-ID: <374C5457.BB1845C7@2xtreme.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:06:48 -0700 From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Period Lace and Trim References: <4.1.19990221012956.00be3b40@pop.slip.net> <36D17136.D8929EC9@earthlink.net> <36D1AEB1.DCD4188B@wenet.net> <3744344D.717EDEFE@2xtreme.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Stephen Bergdahl Dear List Members I have just list a bunch of period lace and trim on Ebay. http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=madly&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 I have also listed a number of Vintage Patterns. http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=bellezza&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 If you have any question feel free to write. Yours Stephen Bergdahl _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 16:20:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08383 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:20:39 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA28389; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:39:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA25736 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:27:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.worldaccessnet.com (QyOhVgXvIufokolAS0Y1XmZELWnHZNUV@worldaccessnet.com [206.190.139.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id PAA25631 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:27:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vortex.worldaccessnet.com id m10mlD8-000dSfC; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:27:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail3.2.0.91#4) Received: from max5-37.worldaccessnet.com(206.190.132.137), claiming to be "sidne" via SMTP by worldaccessnet.com, id smtpdAAAa002JS; Wed May 26 14:27:32 1999 Message-ID: <003101bea7be$a19e8d20$8984bece@sidne> From: "Sidne Kneeland" To: References: <005101bea7b4$7b39f3e0$7a9faccf@costume> Subject: Re: H-COST: Italian Ren Prom Dress Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:27:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sidne Kneeland" Pictures Penny? > About a month ago at my son's prom, some of the drama kids came dressed as > "Interview with a Vampire". My son said they were the hit of the night! > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 18:30:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA11204 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 18:30:08 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA19467; Wed, 26 May 1999 17:50:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA23782 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 17:38:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from plaid.engin.umich.edu (root@plaid.engin.umich.edu [141.213.42.62]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA23763 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 17:38:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (parsla@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plaid.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA14278 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 19:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:38:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Parsla Liepa To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: foundation support In-Reply-To: <374C53E4.5CCA4DD5@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Parsla Liepa I, too, have used these adhesive cups, having bought them at the department store Hudson's (aka Dayton's west of the Mississippi.) They worked well for me, but I had one heck of a time getting them off at the end of the evening. Parsla Liepa On Wed, 26 May 1999, Kat & Kent wrote: < <-Poster: Kat & Kent < Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14227 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:42:36 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA08376; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:02:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA09854 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 19:50:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA09847 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 19:50:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com (14410) by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6KAOa02054 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <31c7da2e.247dfe80@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 21:48:48 EDT Subject: H-COST: Re: Joan of Arc To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com Well, I thought the costumes were barely acceptable. Pretty dull and uninteresting, although close enough to the period. My husband and I noted the "heavily textured" peasant look! My husband, though, was disgusted with the armor, especially for the nobles. And seeing as so much of the costuming WAS armor, I guess that means the overall quality was pretty poor. Gail Finke PS: My husband just read this and said that the English armor was pretty good. He wonders why the French, who were on screen so much, had such inferior armor. Especially the loose, flappy mail hoods on principal characters! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 20:42:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14231 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:42:42 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA08505; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:03:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA09935 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 19:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA09890 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 19:51:05 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com (14410) by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6SFTa02106 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <143b67ae.247dfe84@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 21:48:52 EDT Subject: H-COST: re: swing question To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com Hillary: I was the one that brought the question up before, and apparently there are no good 1940s-era patterns out there, at least from commercial patterns. There are lots of 1950s-style things, some are even billed as being for swing. Just wanted to alert you and everyone else to McAll's pattern 2252, "Swing Fever." It's for men and women. The women's outfit is truly hideous. But it includes some men's pull-on pants that I like. I checked in the catalogue, and they are the fullest men's pants McCall's offers. Anyway, I bought the pattern for $2, brought it home, and convinced my husband thatI could make them with a regular drawstring or elastic waist (like all his pajamas) and without the stupid-looking waist the pattern comes in. I've seen similar men's pants offered on a website for about $40. I figure I could run up a pair or two in a wide stripe, checks, or plaid, and my husband could wear them to classes and feel more in the mood for swing than he does in jeans. Then he can save his super-wide pegged pants (yet to be bought) for dances. Also -- the pattern cover shows three versions of the outfits. Each picture of the man shows the pants fitting differently! Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 20:43:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14238 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:43:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA08612; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:03:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA10007 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 19:51:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA09984 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 19:51:35 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com (14410) by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6LPMa02589 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <17b7c985.247dfe86@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 21:48:54 EDT Subject: H-COST: simplicity 8725 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com Jessica wrote: "While I have to give Simplicity and the designer credit for creating a pattern that at least does a better job of portraying the right look than any other pattern I've seen before that purports to be of the same time period, I can't help but wonder why they didn't just use a straightforward princess line pattern." My guess is that to get the fullness of the skirt, they would have had to either make huge panels for the princess line version, or else use gores. Either one would be difficult -- or at least intimidating -- for a beginning sewer. Many outfits like this are for high school plays, etc., and they wouldn't want to put in anything too hard. Unlike some of those horribly complicated things Vogue does for little girl's dresses! I made a Vogue christening gown once, and it was the most complicated thing I've ever done. Anyway, I think the pattern company was looking at ease of sewing. Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 21:21:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15131 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:21:24 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA11623; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:36:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA13537 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:24:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA13129 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:20:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sue.computercrafters.com (pm3frd1-68-109.intrepid.net [206.102.68.109]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04812 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:53:44 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990526205526.007cb9a0@intrepid.net> X-Sender: sshatto@intrepid.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:55:26 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sue Shatto Subject: Re: H-COST: cleaning fur In-Reply-To: <9da2312b.247d2ea8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Sue Shatto I know this is completely useless information, but I was taught at one time how to clean and rejuvinate fur. I believe it had something to do with brushing it with cornstarch. I will see if I can find the info next week. Cordially, Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com http://www.VictorianMillinery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 21:31:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15350 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:31:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA12609; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:50:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA15257 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:38:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA15246 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:38:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.3.23.212]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990527023847.BWC26054.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 19:38:47 -0700 Message-ID: <374CB036.859D09F0@home.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 22:38:46 -0400 From: Liz /cozit Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume Subject: H-COST: re: Joan of Arc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Liz /cozit Costuming for movies is costuming for look, not necessarily reality. I don't know what they did for all the actors' armor (though I recall reading that many were in "rental" armor). However, Joan of Arc's armor was made specifically for her, as there wasn't any that might remotely fit her...and they made two sets. One was "real" armor, the other was "rubber" (don't know what it really was made of, but that was what the article mentioned). And even that armor didn't fit her right (too tight across the chest...made her sore). My guess is that they did the best they could for the characters they knew would be noticed the most, then just found what they could for the others. Considering the cost of armor, it's not an unreasonable thing to do (makes Oscar dresses (in general) look cheap!). Unfortunately, I don't remember where I read this, but it was probably in one of the Washington Post's sections about the movie (which *could* mean the TV Guide section). -Elisabeth _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 22:17:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA16224 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:17:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id VAA17601; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:37:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA21301 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:25:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA21287 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:25:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.175] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 10mqnp-0004QB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:25:53 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:56:18 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: H-COST: Egyptian costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" I believe it was on this list that someone asked about Egyptian costume. I know this is way late, but thought I'd post it in case it should be of interest or help, even so. Carol >Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:49:45 -0400 >To: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" >From: Phyllis Gilmore >For the person who was interested in Egyptian costume: > >Phyllis Tortora and Keith Eubank, Survey of Historic Costume, 3rd ed., New >York: Fairchild Publications, 1998. ISBN 1-56367-142-5. > >I paid $66.95 for my copy at G Street Fabrics (they *finally* opened a >store near my home--the place is huge). > >The Egyptian material is near the front. > >Note: In addition, I've seen a photo (in a book whose title helpfully >includes the word "textiles") of at least one *late period* sheath dress >(not a wrap), found in a tomb, but I think it is so late as perhaps to be >more Greek or Roman period than traditional--perhaps an interpretation of >older dress to fit later standards of dress in public. If you saw the >History Channel bit on Cleopatra (not the miniseries, which I didn't see), >it was rather like the dress the acress wore: wide bands of fabric that >appear gathered (or narrower) at the shoulders, then widen "triangularly" >to cover the breasts, and are then sewn to the top of a skirt that starts >just under the breats and falls straight to the ankles (it is NOT >form-fitting--think of how the typical narrow-skirted Regency gown drapes). >In short, you could easily walk in it, even briskly. You could certainly >do some kinds of dancing, but not (say) the high kicks you see in tomb >paintings. > >Again, in judging what one sees in paintings, it is important to remember >that Egyptian art was not necessarily realistic. Statues were more >realistic than paintings, but even the sculptors were given to stylized >representations. > >Phyllis (Philippa things powdered mummies are a medicine) > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 22:59:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17093 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:59:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA22310; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:20:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA26380 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:08:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.radiks.net (mail.radiks.net [205.138.126.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA26371 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:08:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup (56K-lnk-64.radiks.net [206.29.243.66]) by mail.radiks.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA29197 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:07:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990526230248.00d60ec0@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:02:48 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Subject: H-COST: Re: Cleaning fur In-Reply-To: <199905261450.IAA25927@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger >From: >Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:53:40 -1000 >Subject: H-COST: cleaning fur > >- -Poster: > > I recently found a couple of rabbit(?) fur jackets at Goodwill >which I plan to take apart and turn into costume parts someday. I'd like >to clean them first and having absolutely no experience with fur, am >supposing I should take them to a dry cleaner. I don't think cleaners >in Hawaii have much experience with fur either... Reply: >You probably want to get them professionally cleaned. It will cost a bundle, >though! There might be one cleaner in Hawaii who does fur--even on the >mainland, cleaners send furs out to a central cleaner to do. If you don't >feel it is worth the price, you can clean the fur part yourself. I once read >directions for putting a cleaning solution on a sponge and stroking the >hairs, but that was in the days when you could still buy carbon tetrachloride >in big jugs. And you really can't do the skin yourself. >Ann Wass > You should be able to get them pretty clean yourself, but it may take time and several steps. If there are greasy-feeling places (back of neck, wrists, etc.), the cleaning solvent on a sponge should work. Don't wet the skin if you can help it. You should be able to get "Energine" which is 1,1,1 trichloroethane. It should work the same as carbon tet. When this is dry, work cornstarch into the fur, let it set for a while, then shake it out. You may need to do this more than once. Cornstarch will absorb anything left on the fur without damaging it. If you need to clean the skin, work from the back (after disassembly) with saddle soap. If the skin is dry or brittle, work a little mink oil into it. (Both of these should be available at most stores, with the shoe polish.) Test the skin cleaning stuff on a small area first, of course. Good luck! Sandy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed May 26 23:00:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA17135 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:00:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA22391; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:20:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA26470 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:08:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA26451 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:08:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.129] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 10mrT8-0007Zj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:08:35 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:32:10 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: cleaning fur In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990526205526.007cb9a0@intrepid.net> References: <9da2312b.247d2ea8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 08:55 PM 5/26/99 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: Sue Shatto > >I know this is completely useless information, but I was taught at one time >how to clean and rejuvinate fur. I believe it had something to do with >brushing it with cornstarch. I will see if I can find the info next week. Hmmm...I hadn't heard of it used on fur, but my grandmother said they used to brush CORNMEAL through their hair to take the oils and dirt out. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 01:07:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA20160 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:07:00 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id AAA02836; Thu, 27 May 1999 00:27:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA08878 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 00:15:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from arl-img-12.compuserve.com (arl-img-12.compuserve.com [149.174.217.142]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA08873 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 00:15:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-12.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id CAA08469 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Thu, 27 May 1999 02:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 02:14:45 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Tea Gowns To: LIST historic costume Message-ID: <199905270214_MC2-7738-BAD3@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id BAA20160 Status: O -Poster: Melanie Wilson Anyone know of any pics or books illustration Victorian Tea Gowns ? Pref 1870s, but variations would be OK if not ! Oh any you vintage clothing collectors, my books say they were from light weight fabrics, but were they backed in any way or were several foundation garments worn ? From the discriptions they seem most indecent :0) Thanks Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 06:42:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA26256 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 06:42:21 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA20163; Thu, 27 May 1999 06:00:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA09672 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 05:48:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com [207.46.181.19]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id FAA09666 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 05:48:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.201 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:48:07 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Re: Cleaning fur Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:54:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bea837$d0944c40$c90bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990526230248.00d60ec0@radiks.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" I have some Alaskan native fur dolls where the hair has fallen off some of the skins. My guess is that the fur is rabbit. Does anyone know what causes this? One of the dolls is still intact, and I'd like to preserve them as well as possible. They were stored in plastic for a while, then just loose with other things in a box. Thanks for help with this. Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 12:03 AM To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: Cleaning fur -Poster: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger >From: >Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:53:40 -1000 >Subject: H-COST: cleaning fur > >- -Poster: > > I recently found a couple of rabbit(?) fur jackets at Goodwill >which I plan to take apart and turn into costume parts someday. I'd like >to clean them first and having absolutely no experience with fur, am >supposing I should take them to a dry cleaner. I don't think cleaners >in Hawaii have much experience with fur either... Reply: >You probably want to get them professionally cleaned. It will cost a bundle, >though! There might be one cleaner in Hawaii who does fur--even on the >mainland, cleaners send furs out to a central cleaner to do. If you don't >feel it is worth the price, you can clean the fur part yourself. I once read >directions for putting a cleaning solution on a sponge and stroking the >hairs, but that was in the days when you could still buy carbon tetrachloride >in big jugs. And you really can't do the skin yourself. >Ann Wass > You should be able to get them pretty clean yourself, but it may take time and several steps. If there are greasy-feeling places (back of neck, wrists, etc.), the cleaning solvent on a sponge should work. Don't wet the skin if you can help it. You should be able to get "Energine" which is 1,1,1 trichloroethane. It should work the same as carbon tet. When this is dry, work cornstarch into the fur, let it set for a while, then shake it out. You may need to do this more than once. Cornstarch will absorb anything left on the fur without damaging it. If you need to clean the skin, work from the back (after disassembly) with saddle soap. If the skin is dry or brittle, work a little mink oil into it. (Both of these should be available at most stores, with the shoe polish.) Test the skin cleaning stuff on a small area first, of course. Good luck! Sandy ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 06:56:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA26490 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 06:56:37 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id GAA21067; Thu, 27 May 1999 06:15:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA10700 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 06:02:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA10692 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 06:02:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [38.30.47.238] (ip238.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.238]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA13270 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 05:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905271202.FAA13270@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Tea Gowns Date: Thu, 27 May 99 08:05:52 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: margo king To: "Historic Costume" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: margo king Melanie - Don't have info on book references but..I have been searching ebay (collectibles, clothing, women, victorian) for outfits to wear during the Washington Antiques Show in Jan 2000 and there have been quite a few vic tea dresses listed. since most sellers post numerous picture and good descriptions - this might be a help. Margo King _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 07:44:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27583 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:44:36 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA24477; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:02:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id GAA15369 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 06:50:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon.canfield.com (falcon.canfield.com [206.191.139.20]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id GAA15350 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 06:50:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deathstar (deathstar.canfield.com [206.191.139.22]) by falcon.canfield.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA27929 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 05:50:56 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.19990527051848.009c6230@mail.canfield.com> X-Sender: leslieh@mail.canfield.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 05:47:00 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Leslie Helms Subject: H-COST: Bust boostage/taping In-Reply-To: <199905270151.TAA09959@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Leslie Helms Quite a while ago I was talking about taping actors' breasts, and several people requested details. The same method might help with the chiton problem, so here is what I know. We learned this by working on very flat-chested women who, for reasons known only to the director, had been cast as lush young things in the 1750s play "She Stoops to Conquer." They didn't have anything for the corsets to uplift! The goal was to displace virtually ALL of their breast tissue upward above the nipple line so that we got some cleavage. This required uplifting and pulling to the center as much as possible. The steel-boned corsets themselves had very meaty "shoulder pads" to fill in the lower breast area and push everything up. However, these same taping principles work for stabilizing larger breasts. Surgical tape comes in several styles. You can find ventilated types with gentle adhesive. Start by laying a baseline just below the lower breast area to build from; this is like the band on a bra. Use several side-to-side strips, with the longest reaching well around toward the back. The last side-to-side strips will be on the lower part of the breasts, and if you have droopage you'll be building a "ramp" of support. (Think "underwire" here.) At this point you'll start pulling the breasts front and center quite a bit if they're small, somewhat less so if they're large. (The main "aging" look for larger breasts isn't so much the droop--unless it's drastic--but the spread to the sides.) Using a U-shaped wrap method, build the side parts of the "underwires." It may be easiest when you first do this to make half of the U on each side but you will soon learn to use one piece from armpit to armpit. Adjust breast position as you go. (If anyone is just reading this because they have a breast-flesh-and-tape fetish, shoo! Go find a website.) The final strips are the "toppers" that go straight across. If you're going for cleavage, make them tight and put them as high as your neckline allows. Some final strips can also be laid just above or to the side of the nipple and pulled upwards to create a "strap" effect if clothing permits. This is the most "custom" area of the structure. This sounds like a lot of tape, and it will be a lot the first time or two you do it. However, you'll soon learn just which strips are really doing the work and you can build a light bra in a few minutes. I've always wanted to try this with the stick-on bra cups as a base, but haven't bought any yet. I just HATE having any sort of band around my ribcage, so I've worked with this method until it's efficient for me. Removal blues can be eased by using a moisturizer on the most sensitive areas and running the tape outward to less sensitive skin for anchoring. The best tape remover is time and perspiration, of course. The longer you wear the tape, the easier it comes off. Steaming the area with a warm, moist hand towel makes it pretty easy. Overall, the bandaid approach is best... one yank and it's gone. Whew. I hope this all makes sense. Leslie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 07:57:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27808 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:57:02 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA26038; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:15:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA16493 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:03:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA16486 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:03:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.135] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 10mzoY-0002x6-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 May 1999 06:03:14 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 06:04:05 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Bust boostage/taping In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990527051848.009c6230@mail.canfield.com> References: <199905270151.TAA09959@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Leslie Helms posted re: how to tape. Having read that post only reinforces my thought that I'd rather used biascut bands or try the ace bandages someone else here suggested. I'm such a wimp... . I have also wondered if being taped like that wouldn't do bad things to the musculature/skin if one did it very often/wore the taping like that for very long. Thank you, Leslie for that post, in any case. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 08:38:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28699 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:38:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id HAA00631; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:59:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA21598 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA21577 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:46:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990527134647.LZYN22376.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@c59303-a> for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 06:46:47 -0700 Message-ID: <006a01bea847$883d0f80$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Bust boostage/taping Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:37:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" Thank you! This is what I was looking for! I will try the various methods described here so far and the flesh colored band as the Chiton is sheer. Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Helms To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 7:50 AM Subject: H-COST: Bust boostage/taping _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 08:53:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29148 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:53:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA02431; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:14:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA23537 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web4-1.ability.net (root@web4-1.ability.net [216.32.69.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA23517 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:01:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawkeswood.com (betsy.ability.net [216.32.69.235]) by web4-1.ability.net (8.9.1/8.9.1/Pub) with ESMTP id JAA10776 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <374D50BB.5081F85A@hawkeswood.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:03:39 -0400 From: Betsy Delaney Organization: Hawkeswood Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Egyptian costume References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Betsy Delaney Carol J. Bell Cannon wrote: > I believe it was on this list that someone asked about Egyptian > costume. I know this is way late, but thought I'd post it in case it > should be of interest or help, even so. Carol Thanks, Carol! I've passed the info on to the person who asked me. I appreciate it, -betsy -- Betsy R. Delaney Web Mistress at large WebInvent.com, Inc. ************************************************************************ mailto:WebInvent@WebInvent.com or visit http://www.WebInvent.com/ mailto:Costume-Con@Costume-Con.org or visit http://www.Costume-Con.org/ mailto:betsy@hawkeswood.com or visit http://www.hawkeswood.com/ ************************************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 09:46:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA30248 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:46:26 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA08634; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:05:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA01932 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:53:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon.canfield.com (falcon.canfield.com [206.191.139.20]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA01912 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:53:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deathstar (deathstar.canfield.com [206.191.139.22]) by falcon.canfield.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA28582 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:54:01 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.19990527074059.009c7eb0@mail.canfield.com> X-Sender: leslieh@mail.canfield.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:49:58 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Leslie Helms Subject: Re: H-COST: Bust boostage/taping In-Reply-To: <199905271402.IAA23555@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Leslie Helms Forgot to mention a thought I had about the bandeau top idea. A few bits of tape to keep the breasts "front and center" would prevent the bandeau from flattening them to the sides, so that you wouldn't lose shape entirely in the search for support. Bias sounds like a good idea, too. And I'm going to check out the flexible self-adhesive sport-wrap stuff that comes off very easily. Gee, I wonder if this is how the Egyptians got started on the whole mummy-wrapping thing... I took a class on Byzantine dress in which the instructor described a long (like over 12 feet) strip of very light fabric used by Byzantine women as a chest wrapping under their loose, flowing garments. It's the only type of foundation garment she could discover. One suspects that most loose-garment cultures had some equivalent. Still trying to figure out what I'm doing up this early, Leslie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 10:45:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA31776 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:45:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA18004; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA13726 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:52:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p2.acadia.net (root@p2.acadia.net [205.217.210.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA13685 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:52:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.217.218.193] (ell138.acadia.net [205.217.218.193]) by p2.acadia.net (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA15279 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:52:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: pulliam@post.acadia.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:52:46 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: pulliam@acadia.net (Deborah Pulliam) Subject: H-COST: egyptian Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: pulliam@acadia.net (Deborah Pulliam) <(not a wrap), found in a tomb, but I think it is so late as perhaps to be >more Greek or Roman period than traditional--perhaps an interpretation of >older dress to fit later standards of dress in public. >> You may be referring to Egyptian gowns or dresses in the Petrie Museum in London. (unfortunately, closed at the moment for refurbishing.) Two are from the same tomb: Deshasheh, fifth dynasty c 2494 - 2345 BC Another is slightly earlier: Tarkhan Dress, "the earliest gown in the world." First dynasty, 3100 - 2890 BC. All are archaeological pieces, obviously, and have been written up several times. One reference: Rosalind Hall, in Textile History 13 (1) (1982) 27 - 45 Deborah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 11:25:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA32677 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:25:03 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA24599; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA21603 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:33:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1-alterdial.uu.net (alterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA21581 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:33:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jwilbur1 by smtp1-alterdial.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: 119.pcpool89.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.89.119]) id QQgrao10207 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:33:12 GMT Message-Id: From: "Jessica Wilbur" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:36:04 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Joan of Arc Priority: normal In-reply-to: <31c7da2e.247dfe80@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" > > -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com > > > > Well, I thought the costumes were barely acceptable. Pretty dull and > uninteresting, although close enough to the period. Except for the guy who was wearing 1520's Tudor! =D After the first half hour or so, I gave up on looking at the costumes and just tried to pay attention to the story. I kept seeing elements of costume that looked right, but weren't put together as a whole correctly. It was very weird... --Jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 11:36:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00144 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:36:30 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA26319; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:57:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA23679 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:44:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA23652 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:44:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990527164436.NXRE22376.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@c59303-a> for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:44:36 -0700 Message-ID: <00e801bea860$55e74820$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Joan of Arc Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:43:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" I did the same. I just excused it off as they were mostly shots of peasantry so there is no telling what they were able to afford to wear and cobble together from trash and such. Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Jessica Wilbur To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 11:33 AM Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Joan of Arc : :-Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" : : :> :> -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com :> :> :> :> Well, I thought the costumes were barely acceptable. Pretty dull and :> uninteresting, although close enough to the period. : :Except for the guy who was wearing 1520's Tudor! =D : :After the first half hour or so, I gave up on looking at the costumes and just tried to pay :attention to the story. I kept seeing elements of costume that looked right, but weren't put :together as a whole correctly. It was very weird... : :--Jessica : _________________________________________________________________ : To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com : with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME : _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 11:40:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00175 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:40:10 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA26795; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:00:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA24357 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:48:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (smtp4.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA24297 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:47:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [38.26.96.112] (ip112.manchester2.nh.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.96.112]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28949 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: cahuff@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199905271402.IAA23555@indra.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:56:47 -0600 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: carol huff Subject: H-COST: Re:Bust boosting Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: carol huff Tape removal, painlessly. No, Really, it works. Use mineral oil or baby oil, liberally smeared into the tape. Breaks down the adhesive so it just comes off. A little powder will remove the oil. How do I know? I run my whippets and have to tape their tender little stop pads when the ground is hard and sun baked. They *hate* having the tape pulled off 'cause it peels the hair right off the leg--Nair anyone . After the days running, I just soak the tape in mineral oil and the tape has fallen off before we get home. Happy whippets, happy owner Ta Carol, off to set up the grounds for the weekends running! Creative Clutter is preferable to Idle Neatness cahuff@mindspring.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 11:47:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00413 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:47:10 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA27721; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:08:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA25869 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:55:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA25844 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:55:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA14400 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:55:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Joan of Arc In-Reply-To: <31c7da2e.247dfe80@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kevin & Mara Riley On Wed, 26 May 1999 Gaelscot@aol.com wrote: > PS: My husband just read this and said that the English armor was pretty > good. He wonders why the French, who were on screen so much, had such > inferior armor. Especially the loose, flappy mail hoods on principal > characters! Could have something to do with why the French drive Renaults? ;) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 12:51:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01994 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:51:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA08263; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:11:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id LAA08362 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:58:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA08351 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:58:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip203-157.cc.interlog.com [207.34.203.157]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA15340 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990527021305.00994190@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 02:13:05 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: foundation support In-Reply-To: References: <374C53E4.5CCA4DD5@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, >I, too, have used these adhesive cups, having bought them at the >department store Hudson's (aka Dayton's west of the Mississippi.) They >worked well for me, but I had one heck of a time getting them off at the >end of the evening. While we're on the topic, does anyone know a good way to get the adhesive off after? I remember wearing them to a formal event a number of years ago and wound up being raw with all the different things I tried to get rid of the sticky stuff. (Soap & water didn't work!) Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 13:16:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02524 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:16:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA12350; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:37:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA12897 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:24:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web132.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.175]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id MAA12827 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990527182553.28819.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [153.35.254.151] by web132.yahoomail.com; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:25:53 PDT Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:25:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kristen M. Sieber" Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Joan of Arc To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Kristen M. Sieber" > My husband, though, was disgusted with the armor, > especially for the nobles. > And seeing as so much of the costuming WAS armor, I > guess that means the > overall quality was pretty poor. > > Gail Finke > > PS: My husband just read this and said that the > English armor was pretty > good. He wonders why the French, who were on screen > so much, had such > inferior armor. Especially the loose, flappy mail > hoods on principal > characters! > It is my understanding (according to an interview with Leelee Sobieski) that the armor was made by the last armor-making family left in the Czech Republic, where it was filmed, and they have amde armor since the middle ages. Kristen Morgaine sieber lady_gawain@yahoo.com What if the Hokey Pokey IS waht it's all about? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 13:28:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02781 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:28:47 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA14604; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:49:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA15208 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:36:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA15193 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:36:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303-a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990527183651.OZUW22376.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@c59303-a> for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:36:51 -0700 Message-ID: <009c01bea870$0511aac0$ac350418@c59303-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Subject: H-COST: Fw: Question for you Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:29:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" ok, can someone here direct her to a good source? Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas -----Original Message----- From: SILSQUARE@aol.com To: ches@io.com Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 1:00 PM Subject: Re: Question for you :Hello, : :I am designing a show based on the San Quentin Six which is about (6) :inmates on deathrow in 1989. I am looking for pictures on inmate & guard :uniforms during that time. Where can I find pictures of prison uniforms :online? : :Thank you. : _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 13:45:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03224 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:45:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA18399; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA18130 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:54:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA18109 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:54:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com (327) by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6OOTa06484 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:53:28 EDT Subject: H-COST: Re: gifted student To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com I'm entering late on this thread, I know. I, too, was in my school's gifted and talented program lo these many moons ago. I agree with Margo (I think it was Margo) -- the girl should certainly train for a more feasible career! But I think the parents need to be told that a high school student's interests don't necessarily indicate his or her future career. When I was in school, I had (serially) the burning desire to work with autistic children, to train the blind in orientation and mobility, and to study linguistics. I am now a writer. I went to a liberal arts college, and the staff continually urged parents to let their children study whatever they liked. Studies show that liberal arts grads rarely have careers that correspond to their undergraduate major. The important thing, the profs said, was to study what you're really interested in and learn how to LEARN. So if this girl likes historic clothing, then she should study it! Almost any kind of study teaches the critical skills needed for effective school and career performance. Using her interest as a basis for study in many disciplines (art, design, sewing, social history, history, science, geography, etc., etc., etc.) could be a great way to get her to use her brain and talents! Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 13:52:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03433 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:52:51 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA19681 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:01:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA19674 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:01:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p21.directcon.net [206.170.184.70]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA18168 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:04:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:04:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199905272004.MAA18168@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Tea Gowns Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson At 02:14 AM 5/27/99 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: Melanie Wilson > >Anyone know of any pics or books illustration Victorian Tea Gowns ? Pref >1870s, but variations would be OK if not ! > >Oh any you vintage clothing collectors, my books say they were from light >weight fabrics, but were they backed in any way or were several foundation >garments worn ? From the discriptions they seem most indecent :0) I'm currently researching 1880's wrappers (need a gardening outfit), which are the more casual version of tea gowns. Some of them are also made in very light fabrics. Tea gowns or wrappers were worn over underwear. A chemise or camisole, drawers, and at least one petticoat should be worn. Most wrappers seem to have had an inner bodice, fitted to the body with darts, that hooked or laced in front and might provide enough support that a corset can be dispensed with. The gown is usually attached to it at the side seams or darts to pull it in closely at the sides, even if the front and back flow freely. "Calico Chronicle" by Betty Mills has a number of pictures of 19th century wrappers and tea gowns. Margo Anderson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 14:37:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04410 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:37:16 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA27151 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:46:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA27134 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:46:24 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com (86) by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6QJTa02054 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <64524c87.247efae3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:45:39 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Fw: Question for you To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com I don't think I would try on-line but go to the periodicals of the period--Time, Newsweek, etc. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 18:51:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10234 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 18:51:03 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00867; Thu, 27 May 1999 18:11:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA25742 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 17:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA25733 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 17:55:57 -0600 (MDT) From: ArcadiaCB@aol.com Received: from ArcadiaCB@aol.com (8064) by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6FBNa05855 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 19:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:54:51 EDT Subject: H-COST: Re: Tea Gowns and Wrappers To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: ArcadiaCB@aol.com Dover publishes several books that show wrappers and tea gowns--- "Victorian Fashions & Costumes from Harpers Bazar 1867--1898" "American Dress pattern Catalogs, 1873--1909" "Butterick's 1892 Metroploitan Fashions" " Bloomingdale's Ilustrated 1886 Catalog" plus I'm several other of their reprinted sources as well (not really my period so I don't have them all, but I know ther are others) Plus that wonderful reference--the reprints of the late 19th and early 20th century Sears catalogues. These are all wonderful resources since it shows what people REALLY wore with the mail order catalogus and home sewing patterns. Charlene _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 19:25:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10926 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 19:25:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04063; Thu, 27 May 1999 18:46:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA00817 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 18:33:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.leading.net (root@smtp.leading.net [207.98.192.90]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA00734 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 18:32:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from a39193-s2-19-243.leading.net (a39193-s2-19-243.leading.net [216.199.27.243]) by smtp.leading.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA17440 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 20:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905280032.UAA17440@smtp.leading.net> From: "Arianne de Dragonnid mka Grace Payne" To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Wed, 26 May 99 23:16:25 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: H-COST: foundation support Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Arianne de Dragonnid mka Grace Payne" On Wed, 26 May 1999 12:20:37 -0500, Franchesca Havas wrote: > >-Poster: "Franchesca Havas" > >Ok, so I did not know how to title this. I am embarrassed to ask this but I >gotta know. I need help. This weekend I am wearing a Chiton. ...[goes on to ask how to support her breasts] Milady, While I know you asked for help in finding a way to support your bosom buddies in a modern way, I thought you might like to know how the ancient Greeks did it. They would take a band of cloth (I'm guessing 4-6" wide by long enough to wrap around at least once and tie) and wrap it snugly around or just under the breasts, depending on weather the fashion was for the flat look or the perky look. In Sparta, they even used leather bandeaus (shudder, shudder!)! I have no idea how they kept the bandeau up when they wrapped it under the breasts; when I tried that, it slipped every time I exhaled. Maybe they put straps on it or something. Unfortunately, I couldn't tell you where I picked up that little tidbit; it was some time ago and I didn't think I'd ever need to tell anyone about it. Given the right cloth (I'm thinking a cotton flannel or better yet a much-loved linen) and some straps, I think this would be far more comfortable than most mundane bras and would have the added benefit of giving the proper silouette to early period or flapper-era garb. If you would rather go with a more modern way of fixing your problem, I would suggest using safety pins on the underside of your chiton to line your bra strap up with the overlap, where your front and back come together. Its simple enough and has to be more comfortable than tape and glue! Yours in Service, Arianne _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 20:17:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12016 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 20:17:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09367; Thu, 27 May 1999 19:36:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA06850 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 19:23:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA06807 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 19:23:48 -0600 (MDT) From: Appin1@aol.com Received: from Appin1@aol.com (3701) by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6SEa002681 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 21:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:23:10 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Sort of OT, yellowed silk? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Appin1@aol.com The instructions require hot (simmering) water. Sorry. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 20:28:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12234 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 20:28:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11113; Thu, 27 May 1999 19:50:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA08247 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 19:37:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA08238 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 19:37:22 -0600 (MDT) From: Appin1@aol.com Received: from Appin1@aol.com (3701) by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6GTa026412 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 21:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6862b05a.247f4cc4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:35:00 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Polish gowns To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Appin1@aol.com I don't know if you can order the catalog, but here's the LC information. Land of the Winged Horsemen: art in Poland, 1572-1764/Jan K. Ostrowski...[et al.] translated by Krystyna Malcharek. ISBN 0-88397-131-3 You might be able to get a copy through the Walters Art Gallery in Baltimore. Cheers, Kathleen Norvell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 20:59:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12873 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 20:59:09 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14056; Thu, 27 May 1999 20:20:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA11479 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 20:07:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA11465 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 20:07:08 -0600 (MDT) From: Appin1@aol.com Received: from Appin1@aol.com (3701) by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6KBDa03188 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 22:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <944f3361.247f5353@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:02:59 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: From Jupon to zipun To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Appin1@aol.com David -- I would say that the terms are related, although the meaning may have changed over the years. After all, there was a lot of commerce throughout Europe and it seems that all cultures came together in Italy. Kathleen Norvell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 20:59:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12877 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 20:59:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14129; Thu, 27 May 1999 20:21:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA11584 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 20:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA11565 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 20:07:59 -0600 (MDT) From: Appin1@aol.com Received: from Appin1@aol.com (3701) by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6OVCa08831 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 22:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <22c73b45.247f545a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:07:22 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: RE Cotton To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Appin1@aol.com Cotton wool, i.e., raw cotton (so called because it resembled lamb's wool) was frequently used as batting or padding for garments. Kathleen Norvell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 20:59:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12881 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 20:59:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14124; Thu, 27 May 1999 20:21:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA11583 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 20:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web126.yahoomail.com (web126.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.195]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id UAA11564 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 20:07:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990528020800.23801.rocketmail@web126.yahoomail.com> Received: from [153.35.253.20] by web126.yahoomail.com; Thu, 27 May 1999 19:08:00 PDT Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:08:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kristen M. Sieber" Subject: H-COST: Bliaut pictures? To: Historic Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Kristen M. Sieber" Does anyone know of any online pictures of women's bliauts? Thanks. Kristen Morgaine Sieber lady_gawain@yahoo.com What if the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 22:07:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14400 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 22:07:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23368; Thu, 27 May 1999 21:28:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA18722 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 21:14:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay4.hawaii.edu (relay4.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.12]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id VAA18714 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 21:14:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from uhunix1.its.hawaii.edu ([128.171.44.6]) by relay4.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <374217(10)>; Thu, 27 May 1999 17:14:50 -1000 Received: from localhost by uhunix1.its.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <135682(7)>; Thu, 27 May 1999 17:14:44 -1000 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:14:42 -1000 From: X-Sender: lisaleon@uhunix1 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Cleaning fur In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990526230248.00d60ec0@radiks.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: > >You probably want to get them professionally cleaned. It will cost a > bundle, > >though! There might be one cleaner in Hawaii who does fur--even on the > >mainland, cleaners send furs out to a central cleaner to do. Boy, oh boy is this true. I called all over and found only one on the whole island who will clean fur. It's located in one of the Hilton hotels in Waikiki which probably makes it even MORE expensive. Thank you to everyone who sent or posted suggestions; I think I'll be trying some of them. --lisa _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu May 27 22:11:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14597 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 22:11:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23919; Thu, 27 May 1999 21:32:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA19357 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 21:19:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA19351 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 21:19:34 -0600 (MDT) From: Appin1@aol.com Received: from Appin1@aol.com (3701) by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6UVUa08831 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 23:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 23:18:32 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Journey to the Centre of the Earth To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Appin1@aol.com Christopher -- What or who are YOU playing? Kathleen Norvell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 28 08:35:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA27160 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:35:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03650; Fri, 28 May 1999 07:57:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA17344 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 28 May 1999 07:43:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mercury.janrix.com (mercury.janrix.com [207.22.155.12]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA17331 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 07:43:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kat ([207.22.155.97] (may be forged)) by mercury.janrix.com (2.5 Build 2640 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA02103 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:43:11 -0400 Received: by kat with Microsoft Mail id <01BEA8ED.B05616A0@kat>; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:37:23 -0400 Message-ID: <01BEA8ED.B05616A0@kat> From: kat To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Re: Cleaning fur Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:33:01 -0400 Encoding: 12 TEXT, 46 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: kat Hair loss is caused by one of two things: In the case of soft fur, like rabbit, the hide is drying out. You can use mink oil on the hide side, or you can spritz it with glycerine to soften the hide and re-moistureize it. In creatures like deer, the 'fur' is hollow core hair. What's happening is the hair is breaking off. There's no way to prevent this from happening. Kat Hargus owner, Making Time www.makingtime.com begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(A<-`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0V ! `"`````@`"``$$ MD 8`H $```$````0`````P``, (````+``\.``````(!_P\!````10`````` M``"!*Q^DOJ,0&9UN`-T!#U0"`````&@M8V]S='5M94!I;F1R82YC;VT`4TU4 M4 !H+6-O`' ``0```!T```!213H@2"U#3U-4.B!293H@0VQE86YI;F<@9G5R```` M``(!<0`!````%@````&^J0Z;JY"YC;VT```,`!A B M^,A?`P`'$$H!```>``@0`0```&4```!(04E23$]34TE30T%54T5$0EE/3D5/ M1E173U1(24Y'4SI)3E1(14-!4T5/1E-/1E1&55(L3$E+15)!0D))5"Q42$5( M241%25-$4EE)3D=/55193U5#04Y54T5-24Y+3TE,3TY4``````(!"1 !```` MT0$``,T!``!M`@``3%I&=9%6+4MW``H!`P'W( *D`^,"`&.": K 2 3P1609E @='=O%@!H"X!G[',Z M"J(*@$D#H!90%<"W%0`/L!7219Q%9!U="X@GED(8!3Q`Z 5(2!M"X#^:Q60`Q$"(!EX`) ! M`!B0)06Q>1L5?9C!G$5L706,!@2"? 9>+<` M`$* "" &``````# ````````1@`````WA0```0`` M``$`````````'@!#@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````.(4```$````!```` B`````!X`/0`!````!0```%)%.B ``````P`--/TW``#P`(4` ` end _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 28 08:54:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA27583 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:54:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06015; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:16:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA20798 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:02:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otma1.state.de.us (hidest.state.de.us [167.21.1.112]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id IAA20782 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bangate.state.de.us (bangate.state.de.us [167.21.4.130]) by otma1.state.de.us (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17311 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 10:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bangate.state.de.us with VINES-ISMTP; Fri, 28 May 99 10:03:44 EDT Date: Fri, 28 May 99 10:03:05 EDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "David W. Rickman" Subject: H-COST: A much better Joan of Arc X-Incognito-SN: 378 X-Incognito-Version: 4.11.23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "David W. Rickman" Hello, In following this discussion of the costumes in the current television movie "Joan of Arc" I was surprised at how most people seemed to accept that this was as good as it gets as far as medieval films made by Hollywood go. It isn't. A much better Joan of Arc film was made in 1948, starring Ingrid Bergman, and really must be seen alongside this recent half-hearted effort to be appreciated. Ingrid Bergman, it seems, loved Joan of Arc. She played Joan several times on stage, and was a major force behind the making of this film (titled "Joan of Arc"). She used her own money to pay for half the film's cost and drove everyone to strive for accuracy in the production design. The film's costumes are beautiful, and seem to owe as much to the wonderful children's book of the 1890's by the French author and illustrator Louis-Maurice Boutet de Monvel (reprinted sometime in the 1980's) as it does to medieval illuminations. Bergman was determined that this film would get things right, down to even having dog-collars made in the medieval form. The men all shaved their heads into the bowl-shaped cut fashionable then (Jose Ferrer looks wonderful as the Dauphin). Most impressively, Bergman had her armor made by the Metropolitan Museum of Art's arms and armor section. They fabricated it out of aluminum rather than steel, but even then it weighed 25 lbs. Admittedly, the whole film is rather stagey in its look and old fashioned in its acting, but I've watched it again and again just for the beauty and unusual accuracy of its production design. My feeling has always been that, if a modern treatment of a theme cannot be done better than an earlier effort - why bother? This does not seem to have much weight in Hollywood. I recently saw a New Yorker cartoon that rather sums it up. A filmaker is pitching his idea to a producer in Hollywood, leaning forward very earnestly and saying "I know it's been done, but has it been redone?" David Rickman drickman@state.de.us _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 28 09:39:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28496 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:39:10 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11435; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA28804 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:47:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id IAA28791; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199905281447.IAA28791@indra.com> From: kang77@airmail.net To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: foundation support Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: kang77@airmail.net Danielle Nunn wrote: > While we're on the topic, does anyone know a good way to get the adhesive > off after? I remember wearing them to a formal event a number of years ago > and wound up being raw with all the different things I tried to get rid of > the sticky stuff. (Soap & water didn't work!) Baby oil. LOTS of baby oil. And perseverence. Otherwise, if you're anything like me, you'll be wanting lots of hydrocortisone cream the next day. Trust me on this. If you have a husband or S.O., they're usually more than happy to help with application of either. Frost who just found this out this past weekend . . . _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 28 09:54:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28918 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:54:39 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14314; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:16:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA02851 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:02:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway.rentgrow.com (kermit.rentgrow.com [208.247.217.34]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id JAA02837 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:02:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lapis.rentgrow.com ([192.168.1.111]) by gateway.rentgrow.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA11516 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 10:59:03 -0400 Message-ID: <021a01bea91b$b1135d40$6f01a8c0@lapis.rentgrow.com> From: "Sarah Toney" To: Subject: H-COST: Changes. Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:06:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sarah Toney" I'm changing my addy... from this one to Sarah_and_pooh@yahoo.com... just so you all know it's not a new person, just lil 'ol Sarah. ;-) Have a great day! Sarah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 28 10:57:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA30290 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 10:57:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21822; Fri, 28 May 1999 10:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA14615 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 28 May 1999 10:05:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA14595 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 10:05:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA05830 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 18:05:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp189-131.worldonline.nl [195.241.189.131]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23229 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 18:05:32 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905281605.SAA23229@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: A much better Joan of Arc Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:04:56 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi List, David wrote: > In following this discussion of the costumes in the current television movie > "Joan of Arc" I was surprised at how most people seemed to accept that this > was as good as it gets as far as medieval films made by Hollywood go. It > isn't. A much better Joan of Arc film was made in 1948, starring Ingrid > Bergman, and really must be seen alongside this recent half-hearted effort to > be appreciated. > > Ingrid Bergman, it seems, loved Joan of Arc. She played Joan several times on > stage, and was a major force behind the making of this film (titled "Joan of > Arc"). She used her own money to pay for half the film's cost and drove > everyone to strive for accuracy in the production design. The film's costumes > are beautiful, and seem to owe as much to the wonderful children's book of the > 1890's by the French author and illustrator Louis-Maurice Boutet de Monvel > (reprinted sometime in the 1980's) as it does to medieval illuminations. > Bergman was determined that this film would get things right, down to even > having dog-collars made in the medieval form. The men all shaved their heads > into the bowl-shaped cut fashionable then (Jose Ferrer looks wonderful as the > Dauphin). Most impressively, Bergman had her armor made by the Metropolitan > Museum of Art's arms and armor section. They fabricated it out of aluminum > rather than steel, but even then it weighed 25 lbs. Admittedly, the whole film > is rather stagey in its look and old fashioned in its acting, but I've watched > it again and again just for the beauty and unusual accuracy of its production > design. > While we haven't yet had the new JoA production, I have seen the 1948 only last december. I taped it from the BBC then and started looking at it with my notebook and pen at the ready. One of the first shots was one of Jehanne in an impossible outfit: a closefitting, wide necked gray jacket with short sleeves closed by 3 pairs of (leather) laces, a seperate and shortish red skirt and a white peasantlike blouse, a 16th c type headscarve, etc. After this came the usual rough woollen rural clothing of her family, everybody had very wide (2-3 inch) leather belts, hardly any nobles had pleated (cartridge or otherwise) houppelandes or jackets, soldiers had skimpy vests with studs instead of stiff brigandines, helmets were often of the wrong period and to close it all the coat of arms of England was painted wrong. After that I forgot about noting down costume and concentrated on the acting. It was static and sentimental but there were some nice scenes in it. No, I did not think this a good period movie. I was more impressed by a French series, of which I only saw one part of one episode, some years back. It had wonderful armour at the siege of Orleans. > My feeling has always been that, if a modern treatment of a theme cannot be > done better than an earlier effort - why bother? This does not seem to have > much weight in Hollywood. I recently saw a New Yorker cartoon that rather sums > it up. A filmaker is pitching his idea to a producer in Hollywood, leaning > forward very earnestly and saying "I know it's been done, but has it been > redone?" It says it all ;-) Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 28 14:17:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02100 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:17:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18450; Fri, 28 May 1999 13:40:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA21980 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 28 May 1999 13:26:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA21933 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 13:26:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990528192608.CUXH19122.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com>; Fri, 28 May 1999 12:26:08 -0700 Message-ID: <374EEE46.E4C82C8D@home.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:28:06 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Costumers@onelist.com" , "h-costume-digest@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: Hancock's Simplicity Sale and What I Bought There Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Kat & Kent I didn't go *completely* wild...but I did end up with: 8725 cotehardie & gates of hell...btw they show how to make button loops, there are NO zippers in this one!! YAY! 8728 companion to above...three headpieces & a court cloak 8715 bodice, shirt, skirt & headpeice...smaller sizes of earlier patt. 8735 faked Italian ren but easy enough to make an actual chemise and I like the sleeve pieces...*does* have the dreaded zippers 8615 men's begotten shirt...three styles that I'll mix & match 8640 Retro...I'm actually going to end up using the top as the base of a science fiction costume 8643 Retro again...decent 8739 Retro 20's doesn't have hat but four dress variations 8776 Retro 20's dress in two lengths with bag (la de da) 7178 a mandarin top/dress with several variations & pants...again I'll be using this for SF costuming...well, and depending on what plays Dad does for his Fall productions (Spring is *always* Shakespeare!) Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 28 21:42:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11830 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 21:42:30 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05395; Fri, 28 May 1999 21:05:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA06551 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 28 May 1999 20:50:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA06540 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 20:50:48 -0600 (MDT) From: Simone89@aol.com Received: from Simone89@aol.com (3935) by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6DOLa02742 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 22:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <995e6612.2480afda@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 22:50:02 EDT Subject: H-COST: Fw: Question for you To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Simone89@aol.com Call Death Penalty Focus in California - can't remember whether they are in San Francisco or Los Angeles, but they probably have pictures. Every state has different uniforms for guards and death row prisoners so she needs the California ones rather than generic ones. Simone _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri May 28 23:21:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA13992 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 23:21:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15167; Fri, 28 May 1999 22:44:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA16014 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 28 May 1999 22:29:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bc.mountain.net (root@BC.Mountain.Net [198.77.1.35]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA15995 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 22:29:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from woodenporch.com (AM17-3.NewMartinsville-WV.Mountain.Net [198.77.13.202]) by bc.mountain.net (8.9.2/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA22177 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 00:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <374F353E.48BAD172@woodenporch.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:32:13 +0000 From: Lois X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: more books Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lois Check these out on ebay: I'm just starting to clean house. La Chaussure (history of shoes) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=107486913 Historic Costume for the Stage http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=107516665 Elizabethan Pageantry by Morse http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=107519509 Costume 1977 Costume Society Journal http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=107531109 Man in the Bowler Hat (history of the Bowler hat) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=107608171 History of Jewish Costume http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=107954471 Palestinian Costume http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=108009432 Fashion in The French Revollution 1780's http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=108567507 Elizabethan & Jacobean Costume 1559-1625 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=108592737 Mode In Furs http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=108611153 Revolutionary Costume - Soviet http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110540414 Lois Lois Mueller Wooden Porch Books books@woodenporch.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 29 08:37:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24760 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 08:37:29 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21899; Sat, 29 May 1999 08:00:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA05370 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 29 May 1999 07:45:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA05356 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 07:45:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.121.31]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA02401 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 09:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <374FEFD1.BBE50152@mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 09:46:57 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: books References: <374F353E.48BAD172@woodenporch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Janice Dallas Speaking of books, is there one that deals with the variations in Catholic religious habits through the years, or is it strictly "hide and seek" to find info? So far, I've had to costume three operas (scenes only) having three different orders/time periods of nuns habits, and I'd be willing to add a reference book to my library. -- Janice Dallas JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 29 10:07:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26678 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 10:07:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26910; Sat, 29 May 1999 09:30:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA12673 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 29 May 1999 09:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA12666 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 09:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p32.directcon.net [206.170.184.81]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA15908 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 08:18:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 08:18:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199905291618.IAA15908@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: 1880's boy's wear Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson I need to make an 1880's costume for a six year old boy in the next week, which means I don't have time to ILL anything. He's portraying a child in a small town in Northern California, of comfortable middle class, going about his everyday activities, not a dressed up occasion. I've looked at a number of photos, and it seems that what he needs is a wide collared shirt that buttons onto knee length pants, which taper toward the knee and button, not gathering like knickers, worn with long stockings and high shoes. . Do I have that right? Here's my questions: Do the button on pants have a fly front or other opening, or are they just loose enough to push down when needed? I have some from the 20's that have buttoned plackets on each side, would that be appropriate? Given that it's going to be very very hot, does he have to wear stockings? As for the boots, I'm going to check out the discount shoe places and see if I can find some girl's boots that will work. If I can't, I suppose I can make some kind of spats to go over shoes and fake it. At the rate his feet grow, I don't want to spend much. Any other suggestions for reasonable footwear? Thanks, Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 29 16:25:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02139 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 16:25:13 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25133; Sat, 29 May 1999 15:49:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA15075 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 29 May 1999 15:33:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA15047 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 15:33:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from slave (BayArea56k492.NetWiz.Net [208.164.208.92]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.9.2/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA07481 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 14:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37505C9C.41EB@netwiz.net> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:31:08 -0700 From: Susan Fatemi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: prison uniforms References: <995e6612.2480afda@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Susan Fatemi >Call Death Penalty Focus in California - can't remember whether they are in >San Francisco or Los Angeles, but they probably have pictures. Every state >has different You might do better by looking for a website for the California Dept. of Corrections. Death row guards wear the same uniforms as any other State correctional officer (not nec. sheriff's deputies and such) It's basically khaki with appropriate insignia. In the winter, it used to be a sort of army-green wool. Don't know if that still holds true. It isn't very cold in Marin county in the winter so maybe they don't wear the wool uniforms. I don't know about death row, but regular inmates wear blue jeans and chambray shirts. Susan F. (in case you're wondering, my dad worked for the dept. for 25 years (not San Quentin) so I saw a lot of uniforms) -- Oh Noh! Kimonos! susanf@netwiz.net http://www.netwiz.net/~susanf _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 29 16:28:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02152 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 16:28:28 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25329; Sat, 29 May 1999 15:52:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA15316 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 29 May 1999 15:37:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oak.ait.fredonia.edu (oak.ait.fredonia.edu [141.238.1.15]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id PAA15288 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 15:37:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [141.238.21.204] by oak.ait.fredonia.edu (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.aapi) with ESMTP id ia102214 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 16:32:06 -0500 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Carol Blanchard" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 17:35:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: books Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <21320629764889@ait.fredonia.edu> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol Blanchard" -Poster: Janice Dallas Speaking of books, is there one that deals with the variations in Catholic religious habits through the years, or is it strictly "hide and seek" to find info? Boy, I'll second that one. I've done years of research for Catholic habits and vestments of all eras and I've yet to find a source of good compiled information. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 29 19:24:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06062 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 19:24:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07401; Sat, 29 May 1999 18:48:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA29583 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 29 May 1999 18:33:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id SAA29577 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 18:33:27 -0600 (MDT) From: lynnx@mc.net Received: (qmail 5289 invoked from network); 30 May 1999 00:33:25 -0000 Received: from tntmodem1-4.mc.net (HELO HEATHERL) (209.172.133.4) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 30 May 1999 00:33:25 -0000 Message-ID: <3750A791.112A@mc.net> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 19:50:57 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: (Books) Old habits die hard... References: <199905291345.HAA05382@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: lynnx@mc.net ...but I really need to make a new one. (My SCA persona is a nun.) Please forgive the "me-too", but I could also use such a ref. Male ecclesiastical garb info is all over the place, but the info Out There for nuns is *so* skimpy! Meanwhise, Janice, whenever I've seen the subject come up on a list, people usually suggest finding a current convent (or whatever) of the same order the person's portraying and asking what they know. If they're wearing a floor-length habit, you might be looking at all the info you need. Some orders' habits don't change much over the centuries. ***INCOMPLETE DOCUMENTATION ALERT*** The following braindump is *not* AP (Authenticity Police) Approved!! But I hope it helps somewhat until we can find some *decent* info: If your play doesn't specify which order (i.e. Poor Clares (sp?), Benedictine, etc.) you're portraying, or the author made it up, you're pretty much free to phudge it: Nuns' habits either followed the lines of the current local fashion, especially for a rich woman (cf. Chaucer's Prioresse) who either started a convent on being widowed or was put there by Daddy "to keep her out of trouble" or whatever - or joined to get *away* from Daddy who was about to marry her off to some pizza-faced lordling with bad breath and no personality! The styles would be more conservative, covering more and of course in Basic Black. Or they wore a fairly plain "chemise" or kirtle type thing under a wide-sleeved "monk robe" (usually without the hood) and the ubiquitous wimple (almost always white) and a black or white veil over that. Oh yeah, and the floor-length tabard over the "monk robe" dress. ***Not belted!!!*** If worn at all, the belt, cord or whatever went around the waist of the outer dress, under the tabard. (I think I saw a painting or something once where the belt/cord went around under the front of the tabard and over in the back, probly to keep it under control.) Sometimes they also wore fairly plain cloaks. Also, it looks like some orders had more than one style, depending on occasion, rank, etc. Newbies might wear white and simple garb, then "trade up" in some kind of initiation ceremony after a period of training. ***END IMPERFECT DOCUMENTION ALERT*** Hoping something in here justifies the bandwidth, Heather (SCA Sister Ed the Disorganized) > -Poster: Janice Dallas > > Speaking of books, is there one that deals with the variations in > Catholic religious habits through the years, or is it strictly "hide > and seek" to find info? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 29 19:36:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06302 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 19:36:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09036; Sat, 29 May 1999 19:01:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA00882 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 29 May 1999 18:45:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA00863 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 18:45:47 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (353) by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6ZVWa03188 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 20:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 20:45:05 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: 1880's boy's wear To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 5/29/99 11:16:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, margo@directcon.net writes: << Do the button on pants have a fly front or other opening, or are they just loose enough to push down when needed? >> I have some pants from the TOC [still...it's all true of the 1880s as well] that are full fall: IOW, they button at each side seam. They also button to the shirt....which is not blousey [actually it's a sailor top....but it might as well be a linen shirt with a frilly collar] forming a "skeleton suit". Usually, I think, the buttons go on the outside of the shirt, sometimes on a waistband, and show as they button thru holes in the pants, which sometimes DON'T have a waistband. A 3/4" to 1" 2 or 4 hole "bone" button at each side front & side back will do. It's a great detail. I also have a picture of two boys in the 1880s in Glenn plaid Norfolk jackets [with the belt & pleats, y'know] & pleated skirts to the knee of the same plaid. One has a plaid sailor collar. I'm not sure if 6 years old is too old for dresses....also, you don't want to distract from the character....but what great outfits! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 29 20:06:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA06975 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 20:06:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12729; Sat, 29 May 1999 19:30:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA03635 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 29 May 1999 19:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA03630 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 19:15:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP165.dialsprint.net [168.191.27.101]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11663 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 18:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000801beaa3a$47190640$651bbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: (Books) Old habits die hard... Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 21:18:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" -Greetings! Just to throw some more info into the mix: >The styles would be more >conservative, covering more and of course in Basic Black. A *lot* of nuns actually wore white. Dominican nuns did, and there were a *lot* of Dominican nuns. Or white with a black scapular (any order associated with the Cistercians). If you can find the male order associated with a particular order of nuns, *usually* the women's dress is in the same color scheme and combination of garments. >Or they wore a fairly plain "chemise" or kirtle type thing under a >wide-sleeved "monk robe" (usually without the hood) and the ubiquitous >wimple (almost always white) and a black or white veil over that. Novices and lay sisters wore the white veil alone. Fully consecrated "choir nuns" wore the black veil over the white one. > Oh yeah, and the floor-length tabard over the "monk robe" dress. That's your scapular. Its origins are as a work apron, and it was worn by religious of both sexes. Most of what I've picked up on nuns' clothing comes from a couple of papers I heard at the Kalamazoo Medieval Studies conference. Interestingly enough, apparently the clothing also confused illuminators, who often got the colors and garments wrong on the nuns they portrayed in thier works.... Susan Carroll-Clark _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat May 29 23:56:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA11960 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:56:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00754; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:20:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA21576 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:05:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.radiks.net (mail.radiks.net [205.138.126.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA21568 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup (56K-lnk-83.radiks.net [206.29.243.85]) by mail.radiks.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA28963 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:04:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990529235459.0085d700@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 23:54:59 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Subject: H-COST: Re: Cleaning fur Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger >When this is dry, work cornstarch into the fur, let it set for a while, then >shake it out. Oops, meant cornmeal. Sorry. Sandy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 30 11:15:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25711 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:15:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07699; Sun, 30 May 1999 10:40:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id KAA11584 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 30 May 1999 10:24:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA11576 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 10:24:26 -0600 (MDT) From: JPMcTeer@aol.com Received: from JPMcTeer@aol.com (532) by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6BECa19847 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 12:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5e324a8e.2482c006@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:23:34 EDT Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #340 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: JPMcTeer@aol.com My digest seemed to be complete, but had a WINMAIL.DAT file attached which I cannot seem to open successfully. What is in it and what program was it written in? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 30 16:11:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA32113 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:11:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28061; Sun, 30 May 1999 15:38:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA23342 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 30 May 1999 15:21:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA23336 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 15:21:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p40.directcon.net [206.170.184.89]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA29850 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 14:24:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 14:24:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199905302224.OAA29850@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: Wrapper question Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson I'm working on a pattern for a wrapper similar to the one at this URL: http://www.victoriana.com/antiques/cost2/c2205.htm I have a 1992 Deliniator that describes the patterns for several wrappers. the standard cut seems to be flat or pleated fronts, with or without a yoke, with a center front opening either just below the waist or to the hem, , no side seams, side back gores and a center back panel with a box pleated Watteu effect. The underbodice laces and is fitted with two front bust darts. the underbodice and the dress are darted together with long darts from armscye to hip. My question is, at the sides of the dress you can see that the stripes are on the bias. How does this happen? Are the side gores bias panels seamed to a center back panel, and if so, is that center panel cut on the straight grain or is it also bias? Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 30 17:16:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00671 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:16:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04417; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:43:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA28573 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:26:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA28564 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:26:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (morr063.gti.net [208.216.122.3]) by gti.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25992 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 18:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3751B998.91A87ECF@gti.net> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:20:09 -0400 From: "Deborah & Lisa R." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Wrapper question References: <199905302224.OAA29850@zeus.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Deborah & Lisa R." I didn't think they were still publishing the Delineator in 1992. Sorry, I just hadda say it... -Lisa > > > I have a 1992 Deliniator that describes the patterns for several wrappers. > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 30 17:20:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00787 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:20:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04941; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:47:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA29049 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:30:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from internet.casa.gov.au ([203.19.117.195]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA29043 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:30:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by INTERNET with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 31 May 1999 08:34:16 +1000 Message-ID: <617939F93346D1119D0E0060B01B0B5601369435@ACT02EXC001> From: "HICKS, MELISSA" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: Louise of Lorraine (1575) Portrait? Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 08:34:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "HICKS, MELISSA" Greetings all, Could someone please assist the next Princess of Lochac track down the following portrait? Thanks Mel. > ---------- > Hello, cheery woman here, > You all know that I am ever so slightly desperate for some good frock > ideas, so it will come as no surprise to learn that I am desperately > searching for a portrait of Louise of Lorraine, also known as Louise de > Vaudemont, Queen of France in the late 16th century. The portrait I am > looking for would be from around 1575, and slightly odd in that it has > the turned-back sleeves of French 1530s frocks. There is a drawing of > it in Herbert Norris' Tudor Fashion. > > I would be very, very grateful if anyone could find a copy of the > original painting(s). Norris alleges that there are many paintings of > her in this style of gown, I just want the one. I know that it's a > teeny tiny possibility, but does this ring a bell with anyone? I'll > happily pay for colour photocopies/hunt down the book on my own > time/arrange for an inter-library loan, whatever it takes! > > Thanks very much, this is what happens when your consort realises he's > as good as you've been telling him he is... > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 30 18:18:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02047 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 18:18:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09407; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA04181 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:28:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA04174 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:28:03 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com (14383) by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6LJQa02576 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 19:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 19:27:21 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Wrapper question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com But they should have been. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 30 18:28:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02261 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 18:28:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10228; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:55:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id RAA04875 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:38:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id RAA04867 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:38:46 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 17:38:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 3868 invoked from network); 30 May 1999 23:32:34 -0000 Received: from 66.64.3-6.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (207.231.64.66) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 30 May 1999 23:32:34 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19990530163856.2977b1d6@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com, "HICKS, MELISSA" From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: Louise of Lorraine (1575) Portrait? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Joan M Jurancich Well, neither _The Book of Costume_ by Milla Davenport nor _Le Costume Civil en France_ by Camille Piton has such a portrait. There *are* portraits of Louise (queen to Henri III), but nothing showing any turned-back sleeves. There are various styles of oversleeves and hanging sleeves. This may well be one of those things where Norris needs to be corrected. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA At 08:34 AM 05/31/1999 +1000, HICKS, MELISSA wrote: > >-Poster: "HICKS, MELISSA" > >Greetings all, > >Could someone please assist the next Princess of Lochac track down the >following portrait? > >Thanks >Mel. >> ---------- >> Hello, cheery woman here, >> You all know that I am ever so slightly desperate for some good frock >> ideas, so it will come as no surprise to learn that I am desperately >> searching for a portrait of Louise of Lorraine, also known as Louise de >> Vaudemont, Queen of France in the late 16th century. The portrait I am >> looking for would be from around 1575, and slightly odd in that it has >> the turned-back sleeves of French 1530s frocks. There is a drawing of >> it in Herbert Norris' Tudor Fashion. >> >> I would be very, very grateful if anyone could find a copy of the >> original painting(s). Norris alleges that there are many paintings of >> her in this style of gown, I just want the one. I know that it's a >> teeny tiny possibility, but does this ring a bell with anyone? I'll >> happily pay for colour photocopies/hunt down the book on my own >> time/arrange for an inter-library loan, whatever it takes! >> >> Thanks very much, this is what happens when your consort realises he's >> as good as you've been telling him he is... _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 30 19:12:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03298 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 19:12:26 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15080; Sun, 30 May 1999 18:38:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA08277 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 30 May 1999 18:22:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id SAA08272 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 18:22:25 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:22:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 9802 invoked from network); 31 May 1999 00:16:15 -0000 Received: from 66.64.3-6.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (207.231.64.66) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 31 May 1999 00:16:15 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19990530172237.28cf300e@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: Wrapper question Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 02:24 PM 05/30/1999 -0800, Margo Anderson wrote: > >I'm working on a pattern for a wrapper similar to the one at this URL: >http://www.victoriana.com/antiques/cost2/c2205.htm > >I have a 1992 Deliniator that describes the patterns for several wrappers. >the standard cut seems to be flat or pleated fronts, with or without a >yoke, with a center front opening either just below the waist or to the >hem, , no side seams, side back gores and a center back panel with a box >pleated Watteu effect. The underbodice laces and is fitted with two front >bust darts. the underbodice and the dress are darted together with long >darts from armscye to hip. > >My question is, at the sides of the dress you can see that the stripes are >on the bias. How does this happen? Are the side gores bias panels seamed to >a center back panel, and if so, is that center panel cut on the straight >grain or is it also bias? > >Margo The bias stripes must be the side or side-back gores. Both the fronts and the back would be straight lengths from neck to hem (or in the picture, ruffle). It looks like the slanted side of the gores are seamed to the straight of the fronts. Too bad there isn't one more picture of the dress from the back or the side . Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 30 21:07:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA05663 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 21:07:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27839; Sun, 30 May 1999 20:34:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA19356 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 30 May 1999 20:17:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA19329 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 20:17:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p43.directcon.net [206.170.184.92]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA18831 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 19:20:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 19:20:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199905310320.TAA18831@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Wrapper question Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson A > >The bias stripes must be the side or side-back gores. Both the fronts and >the back would be straight lengths from neck to hem (or in the picture, >ruffle). It looks like the slanted side of the gores are seamed to the >straight of the fronts. I couldn't figure out at first why they would have put vertical stripes on the back and front and bias ones on the sides. Today I was looking at pictures of more fashionable gowns of the period and realized that the bustle drapery often resulted in striped or plaid fabrics ending up with a bit on the sides hanging on the bias. So, the bias panels on the sides of this dress are probably cut that way to suggest the fashionable ideal! Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 30 21:26:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06089 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 21:26:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00450; Sun, 30 May 1999 20:53:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA22495 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 30 May 1999 20:36:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (tor-smtp1.netcom.ca [207.181.101.69]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA22362 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 20:36:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default (trt-on26-84.netcom.ca [207.181.102.84]) by tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA28516 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010801beab0e$263ee320$5466b5cf@default> From: "David Stamper & Eve Harris" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: RE Cotton Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:34:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "David Stamper & Eve Harris" >"Whilst discussing the doublet-makers (known as giubbonari, zuparii or >giubbettieri), Newton relates after 1219 they were governed by similar rules >to other types of tailor. She notes that "materials other then cloth - >leather and cotton-wool, for instance" were used in making doublets, or >zupon. Like other tailors, they were not allowed to mix old cloth with new >in construction of outer garments, and were also not allowed "to mix old and >new bombacinum to use as padding". " > >(bombacinum was used for 'cottonwool') And it was also sold outside Italy in >Spain; To follow up on this thread (hopefully I'm not treading on other's paths), I too have a problem with the term "cottonwool". I would translate "Bombacinum" as "bombast" - which could be anything, including bran or horsehair. I'd like to see more information on the "cottoning" technique used on wool - does it mean fuzzing up or carding the wool enough to make it pad well? Thanks! Eve Harris _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 30 21:42:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06507 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 21:42:37 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01833; Sun, 30 May 1999 21:09:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA24207 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 30 May 1999 20:52:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA24196 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 20:52:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com (14425) by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6IIa014682 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3940318e.2483534a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:51:54 EDT Subject: H-COST: Re: j of arc armor To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com I really can't see that armor having been made by an armor-making family in the Czeck republic. Maybe the original pieces were, but most of the armor I saw was not made of metal, it was that plastic or resin or whatever they use in costume departments (Albert Cat??). It looks good, but it doesn't look THE SAME, especially on film. On the other hand, I really liked "Cleopatra," at least the first hour. Still have to get through the tape of the other 3. The Roman armor looked good to me, and the Roman swords were just like real Roman swords, nice and short. Not the stock swords I would have expected. My husband especially liked the bow they tied around the waist -- he doesn't know what it's called but he was very excited to see it. The women's dresses looked good to me, too, though I don't know much about what they really looked like. Cleopatra and her sister looked just like the paintings I've seen. Of course, I can't answer for the other three hours! Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun May 30 22:35:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA07640 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:35:06 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08387; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:01:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA00813 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 30 May 1999 21:44:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id VAA00760 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 21:44:44 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 21:44:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 9252 invoked from network); 31 May 1999 03:38:34 -0000 Received: from 66.64.3-6.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (207.231.64.66) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 31 May 1999 03:38:34 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19990530204455.3c2f138e@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: RE Cotton Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 10:34 PM 05/30/1999 -0400, David Stamper & Eve Harris wrote: [snip] I'd like to see more information on the >"cottoning" technique used on wool - does it mean fuzzing up or >carding the wool enough to make it pad well? > >Thanks! > >Eve Harris To "cotton" the wool is to raise the nap using teasels (set in a small hand frame until the 18th or 19th century); once the nap is raised, it is then sheared evenly (a very skilled job that also required quite a bit of strength). There are illustrations of this in the Diderot Encyclopedia. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 31 01:18:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA11416 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 01:18:50 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA24944; Mon, 31 May 1999 00:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA13368 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 31 May 1999 00:28:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dias.net (dias.net [199.170.176.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA13363 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 00:28:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ophelia@localhost) by dias.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA11887 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 01:45:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ophelia@dias.net) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 01:45:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "Sara J. Davitt" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: books In-Reply-To: <21320629764889@ait.fredonia.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Sara J. Davitt" Re: religious books. Hmmm.. I have/had a missal that described the vestments and garments and how and where they go... But the thing that I have found is that the garments don't change much, except for fabric.... the only exeption would be.. that is a different neckline/fit was more popular, that the makers would tweak the garment to be fashionable.... at least that is what i have found with the masonic garments., and the other garments I have run across. I get to hang out in a couple churches when i work on resoration projects, etc, I'll keep my eyes open... and I also have connections to a dealer who has specialty on religious garments/artifacts. ciao, sarahj **2Y's**UR**2Y's**UB**IC**UR**2Y's**4Me** _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 31 13:26:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26577 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 13:26:01 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16750; Mon, 31 May 1999 12:53:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id MAA12837 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 31 May 1999 12:35:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.zrz.tu-berlin.de (mail2.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.4.14]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA12830 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 12:35:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.zrz.tu-berlin.de ([130.149.4.15]) by mail2.zrz.tu-berlin.de with esmtp (EXIM-3.01+) for id 10oWuX-0000bI-00; Mon, 31 May 1999 20:35:45 +0200 Received: from coal.bg.tu-berlin.de by mail.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE with SMTP (IC-PP); Mon, 31 May 1999 20:35:43 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990531203523.009123f0@130.149.12.212> X-Sender: barbara@130.149.12.212 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:35:23 +0200 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Barbara Maren Winkler Subject: H-COST: Re: nuns' habits in illuminations In-Reply-To: <199905310022.SAA08288@indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Barbara Maren Winkler >- -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" > ... >A *lot* of nuns actually wore white. Still do. You see a lot of them at pilgrim towns in Italy. > Interestingly enough, >apparently the clothing also confused illuminators, who often got the colors >and garments wrong on the nuns they portrayed in thier works.... That may be because medieval illuminations in prayer books, bibles, etc., are not meant to depict reality authentically, but to make an appropriate frame for the religious content of the book. So, human figures are often depicted with "elevated" social status (which includes their garments) and more beautifully colored clothes. Barbara Maren -- Barbara Maren Winkler barbara@math.tu-berlin.de _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 31 19:16:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01788 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 19:16:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24025; Mon, 31 May 1999 18:43:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA16372 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 31 May 1999 18:25:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA16359 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 18:25:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.161] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 10ocMx-0005vJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 31 May 1999 17:25:27 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 17:25:34 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: H-COST: Opinions, please Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" What do you think of : Hokeboer, Katherine Strand. Patterns for theatrical costumes : ... . N.Y. : Costume & Fashion Press, c1998 [orig. c1984]. ISBN: 0896761258 : $29.95 pbk. LCCN: 92-34985 ??? Thank you each and every one who responds. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 31 19:26:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02013 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 19:26:56 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25055; Mon, 31 May 1999 18:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id SAA17694 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 31 May 1999 18:35:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id SAA17680 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 18:35:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.121.31]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA18930 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 20:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37532B30.7FE7DBF@mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:37:04 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Opinions, please References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Janice Dallas Dear Carol, I use this book a lot for theatrical period costume. Just don't assume you can graph up and immediately use it. You'd be amazed at how many errors pop up when you blow a pattern up that much. Think of it as a prototype and adjust accordingly. It does require a knowledge of sewing techniques plus good guesswork. I consider it one of my "basic" books. -- Janice Dallas JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 31 20:46:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03786 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 20:46:27 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05219; Mon, 31 May 1999 20:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA24736 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 31 May 1999 19:54:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web4-1.ability.net (root@web4-1.ability.net [216.32.69.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA24725 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 19:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawkeswood.com (betsy.ability.net [216.32.69.235]) by web4-1.ability.net (8.9.1/8.9.1/Pub) with ESMTP id VAA27781 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 21:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37533D55.DE53E7FE@hawkeswood.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:54:29 -0400 From: Betsy Delaney Organization: Hawkeswood Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Opinions, please References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Betsy Delaney I've used several patterns from the book, to make hystericals. If you're looking for something that will give a general idea of the silhouette, it's not bad. And it does give you some ideas for what might be appropriate. Just remember to make at least one muslin/mock-up before cutting the real fabric! YMMV -betsy Carol J. Bell Cannon wrote: > > -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" > > What do you think of : > Hokeboer, Katherine Strand. Patterns for theatrical costumes : ... . > N.Y. : Costume & Fashion Press, c1998 [orig. c1984]. ISBN: 0896761258 : > $29.95 pbk. LCCN: 92-34985 ??? > Thank you each and every one who responds. > Carol > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Betsy R. Delaney Web Mistress at large WebInvent.com, Inc. ************************************************************************ mailto:WebInvent@WebInvent.com or visit http://www.WebInvent.com/ mailto:Costume-Con@Costume-Con.org or visit http://www.Costume-Con.org/ mailto:betsy@hawkeswood.com or visit http://www.hawkeswood.com/ ************************************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 31 21:02:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04223 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 21:02:04 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07078; Mon, 31 May 1999 20:28:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA26327 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 31 May 1999 20:10:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA26320 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 20:10:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (morr065.gti.net [208.216.122.5]) by gti.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA17301 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 22:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37533F93.6C68597B@gti.net> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:04:04 -0400 From: "Deborah & Lisa R." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Opinions, please References: <37533D55.DE53E7FE@hawkeswood.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Deborah & Lisa R." > Betsy- Please tell-what's a hysterical?? -Lisa > I've used several patterns from the book, to make hystericals. > > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 31 21:16:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04470 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 21:16:23 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09522; Mon, 31 May 1999 20:41:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA27618 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 31 May 1999 20:23:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web4-1.ability.net (root@web4-1.ability.net [216.32.69.9]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA27610 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 20:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawkeswood.com (betsy.ability.net [216.32.69.235]) by web4-1.ability.net (8.9.1/8.9.1/Pub) with ESMTP id WAA28752 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 22:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3753440B.8D39DBF@hawkeswood.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:23:07 -0400 From: Betsy Delaney Organization: Hawkeswood Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Opinions, please References: <37533D55.DE53E7FE@hawkeswood.com> <37533F93.6C68597B@gti.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Betsy Delaney "Hysterical (n): A costume based on a period garment, that is constructed from a non-period pattern, or non-period fabric, or both." My name for the kinds of "historic" garments I make most often, because I was too lame to do the proper research, or because I found the right kind of fabric but didn't have enough to do the job properly. It's how I describe such costumes to people who don't know and ask. That way, it's not false advertising. 8-) -betsy Deborah & Lisa R. wrote: > > -Poster: "Deborah & Lisa R." > > > Betsy- > > Please tell-what's a hysterical?? > > -Lisa > > > I've used several patterns from the book, to make hystericals. > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Betsy R. Delaney Web Mistress at large WebInvent.com, Inc. ************************************************************************ mailto:WebInvent@WebInvent.com or visit http://www.WebInvent.com/ mailto:Costume-Con@Costume-Con.org or visit http://www.Costume-Con.org/ mailto:betsy@hawkeswood.com or visit http://www.hawkeswood.com/ ************************************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 31 21:31:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04900 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 21:31:40 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11538; Mon, 31 May 1999 20:58:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA29182 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 31 May 1999 20:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA29168 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 20:40:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (morr065.gti.net [208.216.122.5]) by gti.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA19494 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 22:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3753467C.37D0BEFF@gti.net> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:33:33 -0400 From: "Deborah & Lisa R." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: hysterics References: <37533D55.DE53E7FE@hawkeswood.com> <37533F93.6C68597B@gti.net> <3753440B.8D39DBF@hawkeswood.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Deborah & Lisa R." OK- I get the pic. I thought it might be an industry term I'd never heard before. -Lisa. > "Hysterical (n): A costume based on a period garment, that is > constructed from a non-period pattern, or non-period fabric, or both." > > My name for the kinds of "historic" garments I make most often, because > I was too lame to do the proper research, or because I found the right > kind of fabric but didn't have enough to do the job properly. > > It's how I describe such costumes to people who don't know and ask. That > way, it's not false advertising. 8-) > > -betsy > > Deborah & Lisa R. wrote: > > > > -Poster: "Deborah & Lisa R." > > > > > Betsy- > > > > Please tell-what's a hysterical?? > > > > -Lisa > > > > > I've used several patterns from the book, to make hystericals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > -- > Betsy R. Delaney > Web Mistress at large > WebInvent.com, Inc. > > ************************************************************************ > mailto:WebInvent@WebInvent.com or visit http://www.WebInvent.com/ > mailto:Costume-Con@Costume-Con.org or visit http://www.Costume-Con.org/ > mailto:betsy@hawkeswood.com or visit http://www.hawkeswood.com/ > ************************************************************************ > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 31 22:46:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA06620 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 22:46:38 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20179; Mon, 31 May 1999 22:11:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA07339 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 31 May 1999 21:53:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA07331 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 21:53:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costume (207-172-63-184.s184.tnt3.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.63.184]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA06229 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 23:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008201beabe2$4a79afc0$b83faccf@costume> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: j of arc armor Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:53:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" I saw on the news stand today, that Renn magazine has a behind-the-scenes article on J of A. You might want to check it out. Later...Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon May 31 23:33:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA07874 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 23:33:35 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24863; Mon, 31 May 1999 23:00:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA11763 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 31 May 1999 22:42:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA11751 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 22:42:21 -0600 (MDT) From: PiranhaBB@aol.com Received: from PiranhaBB@aol.com (323) by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6YJDa02589 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 00:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 00:40:52 EDT Subject: H-COST: Scottish Play To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: PiranhaBB@aol.com I'm interested in doing a Scottish Renaissance costume.... any suggestions as to how I could make a surcote look "Scottish". Cheers, Lisa _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 00:18:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA08820 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 00:18:30 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27587; Mon, 31 May 1999 23:45:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id XAA15192 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 31 May 1999 23:27:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com [207.46.181.19]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA15184 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 23:27:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.240 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 May 1999 22:11:37 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Wrapper question Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 01:08:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000701beabee$442cb7a0$f00bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199905310320.TAA18831@zeus.directcon.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" The wide bias band on the bottom of the wrapper seems to lap over 18" or 24" and then close. Seems so impractical. Am I understanding this right? It's as if someone thought it would be too suggestive to run the front opening straight from top to bottom. But perhaps I read too much into this. Comments? Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Margo Anderson Sent: Sunday, May 30, 1999 11:20 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Wrapper question -Poster: Margo Anderson A > >The bias stripes must be the side or side-back gores. Both the fronts and >the back would be straight lengths from neck to hem (or in the picture, >ruffle). It looks like the slanted side of the gores are seamed to the >straight of the fronts. I couldn't figure out at first why they would have put vertical stripes on the back and front and bias ones on the sides. Today I was looking at pictures of more fashionable gowns of the period and realized that the bustle drapery often resulted in striped or plaid fabrics ending up with a bit on the sides hanging on the bias. So, the bias panels on the sides of this dress are probably cut that way to suggest the fashionable ideal! Margo ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 01:47:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA10998 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 01:47:20 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA02428; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 01:13:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id AAA21153 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 00:55:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.85]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id AAA21143 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 00:55:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.net (pool533-cvx.ds66-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.209.23]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08252 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 23:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <375385A6.8030039A@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 00:03:03 -0700 From: Scott Hulett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume Subject: H-COST: Spring Cleaning Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3DDF2037C291B61A49DB01F8" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Scott Hulett --------------3DDF2037C291B61A49DB01F8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Group, Seems like some folks are doing some spring cleaning! Well, it's infectious. I've done some too. I just listed some period patterns uncut in the original envelopes on ebay. All of my listing can be seen here: eBay Seller List: mhull@earthlink.net . There are a few needlepoint books as well. Good luck to all of us. Hope you all had a great weekend. cheers, jd --------------3DDF2037C291B61A49DB01F8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Group,
    Seems like some folks are doing some spring cleaning! Well, it's infectious. I've done some too. I just listed some period patterns uncut in the original envelopes on ebay. All of my listing can be seen here:   eBay Seller List: mhull@earthlink.net .
There are a few needlepoint books as well. Good luck to all of us.
Hope you all had a great weekend.
cheers, jd --------------3DDF2037C291B61A49DB01F8-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 03:08:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA11522 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 03:08:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06814; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:35:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA26027 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:17:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.41]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id CAA26007 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:17:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([12.66.33.218]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990601081710.CTAK18406@LOCALNAME> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:17:10 +0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Connie Carroll" Organization: Home For Deranged Bunnies To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 04:16:16 +0000 Subject: H-COST: Anne Boleyn minseries Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.30) Message-Id: <19990601081710.CTAK18406@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Connie Carroll" Just read that NBC plans to film a minseries based on on a novel by Robin Maxwell called The Secret Diary of Anne Boleyn. After hearing what they did with Moses and Cleopatra mini-series, one wonders what they will do with Anne. At least they turned down Maxwell's other novel The Queen's Bastard which was about Arthur Dudley, rumoured to be Elizabeth's illegitimate son. Kassandra NickKraken JUST CALL ME MISTRESS BUNNY _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 03:31:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA12166 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 03:31:22 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07788; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:58:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA27072 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailserver1.picknowl.com.au (mail.picknowl.com.au [203.24.77.106]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id CAA27066 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:40:19 -0600 (MDT) From: starkiller@picknowl.com.au Received: from [203.38.162.36] by mailserver1.picknowl.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0010/NU2410.00.9f0c7ce7) with ESMTP id agebeaaa for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:10:12 +0930 Message-Id: <3.0.5.16.19990601191231.28e73838@mail.picknowl.com.au> X-Sender: starkiller@mail.picknowl.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (16) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 19:12:31 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: religious books. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: starkiller@picknowl.com.au Another excellent book for finding what people in the mid to late 13th century wore as fighting monks, nuns, ordinary people, religious personages, nobility, etc is the facsimile of the Maciejowski Bible. I love my copy to bits, it took ages to find one, as it is a very hard book to come by. If you are in the UK/US or Europe, you could probably get it through ILL very easily-not so here in Australia! It is called "Old Testament Miniatures; A Medieval Picture Book with 283 Paintings from The Creation to The Story of David". The illuminations are clear, about 5"x7" in size and in colour! I cannot recommend this book enough. Yours, Lydie ___________________________________ Giles: "I've never actually heard of anyone attacked by a lone baseball bat before." Xander: "Maybe it's a vampire bat." Giles and Buffy: "..." Xander: "I'm alone with that one, huh?" (Buffy the Vampire Slayer) http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/5459/cover.htm (Cover page to all my pages) starkiller@picknowl.com.au _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 08:02:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA18406 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:02:28 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21710; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:29:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id HAA24916 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:11:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from RBAD33.RBACRXCLU.BAS.ROCHE.COM (mail-external-basel.bas.roche.com [196.3.50.190]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA24905 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:11:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rbamsemcn1.bas.roche.com (rbamsemcn1.bas.roche.com [145.245.211.139]) by Roche.COM (PMDF V5.2-31 #33472) with ESMTP id <01JBW2AZMGO09DAXUT@Roche.COM> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:09:42 +0200 Received: by rbamsemcn1.bas.roche.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 01 Jun 1999 15:09:39 +0200 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 15:09:37 +0200 From: "Holliday, Rachel {DISC~Welwyn}" Subject: H-COST: Introduction To: "Historic Costume List (E-mail)" Message-id: <431EB483DFB4D111A2D50000F843C5C401009D69@RWEMSEM2> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Holliday, Rachel {DISC~Welwyn}" Dear Although I would introduce myself. I am fairly new to historic costuming but I have been sewing and embroidering for many years. I am 21, live in Hertfordshire England and reading for a degree in Molecular Biology. Other interests include drawing (not very good at it), reading, writing, and walking. Hope to get lots of information off this list. Rachel http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/witchwood/index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 09:57:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20861 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:57:51 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08257; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:24:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA12936 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:06:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA12920 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:06:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.179] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 10oq7F-000468-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:06:09 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:07:00 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: H-COST: WAS: Opinions, please -- NOW: Recommendations, please Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" For late Medieval/Renaissance, there are a number of truly wonderful books available to the pattern-drafting impaired like me. Are there some equally good ones for early period? Thank you in advance for your comments and recommendations, and thanks to everyone who responded to my inquiry about Hoekeboer's book. Carol / Gra/inne _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 10:34:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21819 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:34:36 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15340; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:00:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA20918 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:42:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA20858 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:41:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p18.directcon.net [209.77.71.117]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20607 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:44:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:44:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199906011644.IAA20607@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: RE: H-COST: Wrapper question Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson At 01:08 AM 6/1/99 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" > >The wide bias band on the bottom of the wrapper seems to lap >over 18" or 24" and then close. Seems so impractical. Am I >understanding this right? Huh? I don't see a closure on the bottom ruffle at all. I assumed the opening just went as far as the top of the ruffle. On another aspect of this question, I tried draping my pattern based on the Deliniator gown (1893, not 1993!) and discovered that the "side back gores" they were talking about don't seem to have been seperate pieces. As far as I can tell, the only seam is at side back. It has a front closure hidden by a group of pleats from the neckline, the sides are smoothly darted to give the effect of a curved side seam, there is a curved side back seam where we'd put the side back seam on a modern princess cut, and the back has another cluster of pleats with a deep box pleat center back. The pleats are tacked down for a few inches, front and back. This arrangement leaves the sides on the straight grain, useful since I'm using stripes. the gown in the picture referred to, on the other hand, has no pleats in front and probably gets all its fullness from angled side seams, and possibly pleating at CB. It still doesn't explain the bias angle of the stripes at the sides...wouldn't they go the other way if they were just the result of an angled seam? Maybe they ARE pieced in decoratively. Margo Anderson (wishing she had acsess to real garments) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 10:36:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21829 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:36:45 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16025; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:03:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id JAA21599 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:45:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA21550 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:44:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22403 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37540041.5B3EC6D@serv.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:46:10 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Scottish Surcotes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover The only thing I can think of is not to make a surcote at all. Stay strictly Scottish and leave the surcotes to those nasty Normans. If you *must* make a surcote I guess you could go plaid. But then it would have to be a comedy. Cynthia > I'm interested in doing a Scottish Renaissance costume.... any suggestions as > to how I could make a surcote look "Scottish". -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 14:15:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27053 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:15:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26645; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:42:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA09424 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA09356; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:23:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-147.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.147]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24470; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <375431BF.A7B49B7E@tymeportal.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 15:17:19 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" , "f-costume@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: "what to wear" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah ok, pardon my ignorance here, being as I only make what is requested, I've never questioned what actually "goes underneath" I have a client that wants a wench costume. (bodice, chemise, overskirt....) but I haven't a CLUE as to what to tell her to wear underneath. do I tell her to wear the "pantaloon" things that people wear or what? thanks in advance; Anah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 14:30:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27428 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:30:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29169; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:58:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA12836 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA12819 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:39:45 -0600 (MDT) From: AliaClaire@aol.com Received: from AliaClaire@aol.com (3927) by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6NQKa06484 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:38:53 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Anne Boleyn To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 15 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AliaClaire@aol.com In a message dated 6/1/99 3:41:35 AM EST, starkiller@picknowl.com.au writes: > Just read that NBC plans to film a minseries based on on a novel by > Robin Maxwell called The Secret Diary of Anne Boleyn. This should be interesting. I just finished using this book as quite a large portion of my senior project, of this particular queen in literature. It's an entertaining book, but not all that creative, I felt. More of a basic rehashing on her life...I didn't even think putting it in first person made it all that interesting. If you want a VERY good book in that vein, _The Autobiography of Henry VIII_ is better. But, this is simple enough it might just translate onto film. And as always, the costumes will be something to watch. -Alison Stacy AliaClaire@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 14:43:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27709 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:43:55 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01462; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:10:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA15130 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA15108 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:51:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p28.directcon.net [206.170.184.77]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA18526 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:54:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:54:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199906012054.MAA18526@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: "what to wear" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson At 03:17 PM 6/1/99 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: Anah > >ok, pardon my ignorance here, being as I only make what is requested, >I've never questioned what actually "goes underneath" > >I have a client that wants a wench costume. (bodice, chemise, >overskirt....) but I haven't a CLUE as to what to tell her to wear >underneath. > >do I tell her to wear the "pantaloon" things that people wear or what? The "pantaloons" are modern conveniences to prevent thigh chafing, not historically accurate garments. The chemise, more properly called a smock, IS the underwear. Bificurated undergarments were uncommon amongst European women until the 19th century. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 14:50:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27894 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:50:52 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02647; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:18:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id NAA16515 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:59:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA16482 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:59:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tymeportal.com (client-151-200-124-147.bellatlantic.net [151.200.124.147]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA26184 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37543A1A.B06511E0@tymeportal.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 15:52:58 -0400 From: Anah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: "what to wear" References: <199906012054.MAA18526@zeus.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Anah Margo Anderson wrote: > The "pantaloons" are modern conveniences to prevent thigh chafing, not > historically accurate garments. The chemise, more properly called a smock, > IS the underwear. Bificurated undergarments were uncommon amongst European > women until the 19th century. that much I kno, but I was referring to what "we" would consider "underwear" panties, or pantaloons are probably not historically accurate....but that is what she is concerned about "modesty" wise. hmmm ok, while not historically correct, and how much of "ren faire" stuff actually adheres vehemently TO historical correctness --- pantaloons would be alright to suggest, I am assuming? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 15:06:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28201 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:06:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04185; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:28:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA18473 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:10:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA18438 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:10:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p28.directcon.net [206.170.184.77]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20268 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:12:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:12:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199906012112.NAA20268@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: "what to wear" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson >hmmm ok, while not historically correct, and how much of "ren faire" >stuff actually adheres vehemently TO historical correctness --- >pantaloons would be alright to suggest, I am assuming? They're what most Faire participants wear, for comfort and modesty. Me, I prefer my old linen maternity shorts, which are long enough to prevent thigh chafe and short enough not to show in ordinary situations, avoiding giving the impression that Victorian styled bloomers were an authentic 16th century fashion. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 15:08:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28217 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:07:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05347; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:35:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA19755 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:16:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA19735 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:16:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28425 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37543FE7.4797DC7F@serv.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:17:44 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: "what to wear" References: <199906012054.MAA18526@zeus.directcon.net> <37543A1A.B06511E0@tymeportal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover I disagree that underpants are only a modern invention and that women didn't wear this type of undergarment. There are extant under "pants" pictured in Janet Arnold for one. I find it very difficult to believe that women didn't figure out that some kind of garment was needed to stop chafing. There certainly were some kind in the 16th century if not earlier. These "pants" were actually quite pretty, embroidery around the hems, made out of linen, with a drawstring waist. I don't remember if they are bifurcated (split crotched?) or not, but one would think this would be more convenient while in a gown, a corset, and a farthingale. ;-> What I wear when not trying for complete authenticity (which is variable depending on my mood and how many days I've been camping) are bike shorts one size too big. They don't bind too tight at the waist, they are slimming, and they prevent chafing (I get them almost to the knee). I have every intention of making some kind of 14th century notion of underpants, probably a copy of what the men wear soon though. Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 15:08:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28219 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:08:00 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05134; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA19623 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:15:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA19604 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:15:45 -0600 (MDT) From: DRGurley@aol.com Received: from DRGurley@aol.com (3930) by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6UVLa02587 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4eb085d4.2485993a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:14:50 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: "what to wear" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: DRGurley@aol.com In a message dated 6/1/99 3:01:40 PM Central Daylight Time, anah@tymeportal.com writes: > how much of "ren faire" > stuff actually adheres vehemently TO historical correctness A lot depends on where the faire is held and who is managing the faire. So far in four years, no one has looked under my skirts to see what I was wearing ;-). I try to stay mostly accurate and wear split pantaloons most of the time. When it's cool I wear sweater knit tights. Not only do pantaloons prevent thigh chaffing, they keep from developing a layer of dust and dirt from waist to ankle. They are great for absorbing persperation on those 100 degree days. They also make restroom visits a bit easier if they are split (two separate legs attached to a drawstring waist and not connected underneath). This is too "crotchless" for many people, but if made correctly they overlap well. Having tried to handle two skirts, long chemise, corset and bodice all tightly laced over panties I MUCH prefer my split pantaloons. For historical accuracy as well as comfort, go for drawstring at the waist and the knee (or ankle depending on the length). Elastic can be so binding and uncomfortable under all those layers! They allow me to wear a shorter chemise, which is more comfortable for me as it doesn't get caught between my legs when I'm wandering about. And when one sits or hikes one's skirts for circulation, all you will see will be a bit of lace or gather where the pantaloons peek out! This got long winded, sorry. Just my own experience talking. There are some decent patterns available for various pantaloons and they are easy to make. Good luck! DaniG _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 15:37:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28908 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:37:51 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10863; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:05:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA26057 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:46:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA26035 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:46:23 -0600 (MDT) From: seamstrix@juno.com Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id EB29ZF7M; Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:41:07 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:08:58 -0500 Subject: Re: H-COST: Scottish Surcotes Message-ID: <19990601.153859.-430201.0.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 14-15 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com Well here we have one of those conceptual contradictions. Renaissance surcotes are a predominantly Spanish fashion, although worn by many other countries. The Scottish, during most of the 16th century, were deeply influenced by their 'Auld Alliance' with France and were mostly influenced by French fashion in a court context. Anyone who was wearing a surcote would have been focused on French/Continental fashions and would not have been concerned about having a Scottish identity. Scotland was pretty universally viewed as a cultural backwater and being identified as Scottish was not seen as a plus. Anyone who was Highland Scottish/clan based wouldn't have been wearing a Continental fashion like a surcote. I suppose a crucial question is where is this person from? If from the Clans, then they would dress in a manner derived from Celtic styles and wouldn't be wearing surcotes. If they are from the Lowlands (most of Scotland) they would be dressed in a standard Continental fashion and wouldn't have anything we would recognize as being typically Scottish. Karen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 15:46:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29137 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:46:34 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12127; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:12:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id OAA27500 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:53:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA27471 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:53:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29283 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <375448AF.52194531@serv.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:55:11 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Scottish Surcotes References: <19990601.153859.-430201.0.seamstrix@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > I suppose a crucial question is where is this person from? Indeed. And also when. I forgot about Rennaisance and Elizabethan surcotes. I was thinking of 13th-14th century surcotes. *GG* -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 16:04:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29572 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:04:57 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16362; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:32:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA01989 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:13:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com [207.46.181.31]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA01965 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:13:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default - 208.253.11.244 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:13:09 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Scottish Surcotes Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:17:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01beac74$99dc7ba0$f40bfdd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <37540041.5B3EC6D@serv.net> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" Anyone who wore a surcote would have used imported materials. Nix the plaid. You could have your man go barefoot. That would be very Scots. What about a brooch. There's a good book just recently out on Scottish art, and it includes a number of large circular ornaments to wear with Celtic symbols on them. Saw it in G-Street Fabrics in Rockville MD yesterday, but didn't note the author or title. It included many friezes and tombs with sculpture of Scots on them included which may be helpful to you too. Perhaps it was called *something like* Art in Scotland,Treasures from the National Museum of Scotland. Hope H. Dunlap -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Merouda the True of Bornover Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 11:46 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Scottish Surcotes -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover The only thing I can think of is not to make a surcote at all. Stay strictly Scottish and leave the surcotes to those nasty Normans. If you *must* make a surcote I guess you could go plaid. But then it would have to be a comedy. Cynthia > I'm interested in doing a Scottish Renaissance costume.... any suggestions as > to how I could make a surcote look "Scottish". -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir ____________________________________________________________ _____ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 16:12:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29807 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:12:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18111; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA03919 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:21:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA03892 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:21:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [206.151.9.19] (th-0-10.patriot.net [206.151.9.19] (may be forged)) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA25114 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:21:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199906012121.RAA25114@jefferson.patriot.net> Subject: H-COST: SCA Siezes Russia Date: Tue, 1 Jun 99 17:24:23 -0000 x-sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: I'm sure all those who are subscribed to SCA lists have seen this already, but as a non-SCA person I found it very funny and thought others would, too. There are some pictures of people in costume, too. :) -Carol ---------------------------------------- Society For Creative Anachronism Seizes Control Of Russia MOSCOW--Official reports from the Kremlin Tuesday confirmed that the Society for Creative Anachronism, a group of medieval-wargames hobbyists, seized control of Russia in a bloodless coup over the weekend. For the full story: http://www.theonion.com/onion3520/sca_siezes_russia.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 16:15:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29828 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:15:08 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18570; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:42:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA04381 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:23:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA04349 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:23:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29977 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37544FAD.E4B06A11@serv.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 14:25:02 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Scottish Surcotes References: <000d01beac74$99dc7ba0$f40bfdd0@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover As I said, only if it's a comedy. *G* Cynthia > Anyone who wore a surcote would have used imported > materials. Nix the plaid. > The only thing I can think of is not to make a surcote at > all. Stay strictly > Scottish and leave the surcotes to those nasty Normans. If > you *must* make a > surcote I guess you could go plaid. But then it would have > to be a comedy. > -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 16:35:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA30292 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:35:48 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22220; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:03:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id PAA08809 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:44:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web136.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.12]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id PAA08712 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:44:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990601214418.18726.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [153.35.255.84] by web136.yahoomail.com; Tue, 01 Jun 1999 14:44:18 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:44:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kristen M. Sieber" Subject: Re: H-COST: "what to wear" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Kristen M. Sieber" > that much I kno, but I was referring to what "we" > would consider > "underwear" panties, or pantaloons are probably not > historically > accurate....but that is what she is concerned about > "modesty" wise. > > hmmm ok, while not historically correct, and how > much of "ren faire" > stuff actually adheres vehemently TO historical > correctness --- > pantaloons would be alright to suggest, I am > assuming? Maybe not what you're looking for, but I wear stretch pants under ALL my skirted garb (I can't stand my big thighs rubbing together!). Kristen Morgaine Sieber _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 17:16:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA31186 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:16:25 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29119; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:43:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id QAA16899 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:24:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA16868 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:24:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.167.66.58] (sdts10-58.znet.net [207.167.66.58]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with ESMTP id PAA08811 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37543FE7.4797DC7F@serv.net> References: <199906012054.MAA18526@zeus.directcon.net> <37543A1A.B06511E0@tymeportal.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: Re: H-COST: "what to wear" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Julie Adams >I disagree that underpants are only a modern invention and that women >didn't wear >this type of undergarment. I've seen late 16th c examples of German and Italian "pants". These are not split crotched and have straight legs to the knee (no drawstring or ruffles at the hem) and have embroidery along the hem. I've heard that Italian Renaissance whores wore men's breeches and are shown wearing some that look like men's "Venetians", but they looked quite different from the "underpants" that I've seen. I don't recall seeing any English examples, even in Janet Arnold, but I could be remembering wrong... Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 20:01:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02120 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:01:44 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23407; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:29:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA11681 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:10:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA11561 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:09:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p35.directcon.net [209.77.71.134]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA21679 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:12:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:12:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199906020212.SAA21679@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: SCA Siezes Russia Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson My sister told me about this...and she thought is was true! Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 20:12:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02355 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:12:41 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25085; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:39:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA12860 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:21:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA12853 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.179] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 10oziJ-0001X0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:21:03 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 18:21:55 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: SCA Siezes Russia In-Reply-To: <199906020212.SAA21679@zeus.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 06:12 PM 6/1/99 -0800, you wrote:-Poster: Margo Anderson >My sister told me about this...and she thought is was true! -- Margo Oh, dear. I hope you were able to make her believe that the "Onion" is largely social satire and comedy. Although I thought the devices on the shields were rather nice. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 20:16:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02376 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:16:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26372; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:44:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id TAA13350 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:25:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from discordia.io.com (discordia.io.com [199.170.88.100]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA13342 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:25:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragon (as7-dialup-35.io.com [206.224.81.227]) by discordia.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17151 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:25:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199906020125.UAA17151@discordia.io.com> From: "Amanda Reeves" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: SCA Siezes Russia Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:28:24 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Amanda Reeves" > >My sister told me about this...and she thought is was true! -- Margo > Oh, dear. I hope you were able to make her believe that the "Onion" > is largely social satire and comedy. Although I thought the devices on the > shields were rather nice. Carol A modern day "War of the Worlds". :-) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 21:37:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04143 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:37:17 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10095; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:02:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA22172 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:43:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us (mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us [199.173.91.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA22145 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:43:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bchamber (dial-in158 [199.173.93.158]) by mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA01851 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00b401beaca1$ba3ca000$9e5dadc7@bchamber> From: "Beth" To: "H-Costume" Subject: H-COST: 1860 Bodice Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:43:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B1_01BEAC80.31DB4E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Beth" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01BEAC80.31DB4E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some place I read about skirts and bodices being tied or hooked together = in mid 19th century - does anyone know of a book describing this? I have = a waist length bodice which drops down into a deep point in the front, = I'm wearing it with a separate skirt which is pleated onto a waistband. = I put ties at the side seams attaching to the skirt, this was the only = place I felt I could safely anchor the ties. When I lift my arms too = high (as in every time I tried to put on my hat :) ) the front of the = bodice pulled up. I've never claimed to be a real lady but I'm not = accustomed to flashing people either! Beth ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01BEAC80.31DB4E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some place I read about skirts and bodices being = tied or=20 hooked together in mid 19th century - does anyone know of a book = describing=20 this? I have a waist length bodice which drops down into a deep point in = the=20 front, I'm wearing it with a separate skirt which is pleated onto a = waistband. I=20 put ties at the side seams attaching to the skirt, this was the only = place I=20 felt I could safely anchor the ties. When I lift my arms too high (as in = every=20 time I tried to put on my hat :) ) the front of the bodice pulled up. = I've never=20 claimed to be a real lady but I'm not accustomed to flashing people=20 either!
 
Beth
------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01BEAC80.31DB4E80-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 21:41:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04342 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:41:31 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10853; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA22904 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:49:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us (mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us [199.173.91.11]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA22896 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:49:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bchamber (dial-in158 [199.173.93.158]) by mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA02703 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00bd01beaca2$a450f100$9e5dadc7@bchamber> From: "Beth" To: "H-Costume" Subject: H-COST: Fire safety & skirts Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:50:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BA_01BEAC81.1C438BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Beth" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01BEAC81.1C438BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recently heard a museum guide explain that women kept the bottom 6 = inches or so of their skirts wet - to prevent them from catching on = fire. The time frame is rather vague - the house spanned most of the = 17th and 18th centuries. Has anyone seen documentation for this. It = seems not only very time consuming but impractical. Cold drafty floors = and wet skirts flapping around your ankles? Beth ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01BEAC81.1C438BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I recently heard a museum guide explain that women = kept the=20 bottom 6 inches or so of their skirts wet - to prevent them from = catching on=20 fire. The time frame is rather vague - the house spanned most of the = 17th and=20 18th centuries. Has anyone seen documentation for this. It seems not = only very=20 time consuming but impractical. Cold drafty floors and wet skirts = flapping=20 around your ankles?
 
Beth
------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01BEAC81.1C438BE0-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 21:44:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04356 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:44:28 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11097; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA23266 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:53:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zeus.directcon.net (root@zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA23248 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:53:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p5.directcon.net [209.77.71.104]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA03036 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:55:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:55:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199906020355.TAA03036@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: SCA Siezes Russia Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Margo Anderson At 08:28 PM 6/1/99 -0500, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Amanda Reeves" > > > > >> >My sister told me about this...and she thought is was true! -- Margo > >> Oh, dear. I hope you were able to make her believe that the >"Onion" >> is largely social satire and comedy. Amazing, isn't it...especially since she's heavily involved in living history and reenactment of a different period (Art Deco). I think she was very, very tired. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 21:47:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04369 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:47:18 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11371; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:14:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA23501 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (tor-smtp1.netcom.ca [207.181.101.69]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA23492 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:55:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default (trt-on30-93.netcom.ca [207.181.80.93]) by tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA05039 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002c01beaca3$4b04b900$5d50b5cf@default> From: "David Stamper & Eve Harris" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Fire safety & skirts Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:54:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "David Stamper & Eve Harris" >I recently heard a museum guide explain that women kept the bottom 6 inches or so of their skirts wet - to >prevent them from catching on fire. The time frame is rather vague - the house spanned most of the 17th and >18th centuries. Has anyone seen documentation for this. It seems not only very time consuming but >impractical. Cold drafty floors and wet skirts flapping around your ankles? This doesn't make much sense to me...what I've heard from women cooking over fires is that a good wool skirt will take a lot of heat before it actually singes. Wet skirts doesn't sound very nice. Any takers? Eve Harris _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 21:50:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04544 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:50:58 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11785; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:18:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id UAA23931 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:59:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA23895 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:59:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id MAA09255 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:29:18 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA05798; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:38:06 +0930 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:37:59 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: H-Costume Subject: Re: H-COST: Fire safety & skirts In-Reply-To: <00bd01beaca2$a450f100$9e5dadc7@bchamber> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Beth wrote: > I recently heard a museum guide explain that women kept the bottom 6 = > inches or so of their skirts wet - to prevent them from catching on = > fire. The time frame is rather vague - the house spanned most of the = > 17th and 18th centuries. Has anyone seen documentation for this. It = > seems not only very time consuming but impractical. Cold drafty floors = > and wet skirts flapping around your ankles? Ick! Obviously not some who's tried getting about with a wet hem (or going to the loo with one :-P).... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 21:51:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04586 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:51:53 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11933; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA24163 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:00:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA24152 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:00:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc (sdn-ar-002ohcoluP094.dialsprint.net [168.191.27.182]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA13849 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <009901beaca4$825b7b40$b61bbfa8@dsc> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: SCA Siezes Russia Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:50:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! > Oh, dear. I hope you were able to make her believe that the "Onion" >is largely social satire and comedy. Although I thought the devices on the >shields were rather nice. Carol That's 'cause they're real SCAdians. Namely, some of the local (to the Onion) Madison, WI folks. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 21:53:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04607 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:53:08 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12167; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:20:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA24438 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:01:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA24407 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:01:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id MAA09305 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:31:40 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA05804; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:40:29 +0930 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:40:22 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: H-Costume Subject: Re: H-COST: 1860 Bodice In-Reply-To: <00b401beaca1$ba3ca000$9e5dadc7@bchamber> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Beth wrote: > Some place I read about skirts and bodices being tied or hooked together = > in mid 19th century - does anyone know of a book describing this? I have = > a waist length bodice which drops down into a deep point in the front, = > I'm wearing it with a separate skirt which is pleated onto a waistband. = > I put ties at the side seams attaching to the skirt, this was the only = > place I felt I could safely anchor the ties. When I lift my arms too = > high (as in every time I tried to put on my hat :) ) the front of the = > bodice pulled up. I've never claimed to be a real lady but I'm not = > accustomed to flashing people either! You could try putting a couple of hooks and eyes on either side of the bodice point (and maybe round the back too). That might hold the skirt and bodice more firmly together... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 22:06:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04879 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:06:05 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13686; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA25941 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:15:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from x14.boston.juno.com (x14.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.27]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA25896 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:15:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from annetteallen@juno.com) by x14.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EB3YH7N9; Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:14:44 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:09:11 +0000 Subject: Re: H-COST: Scottish Play Message-ID: <19990601.201237.-286009.1.AnnetteAllen@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Annette M Allen Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Annette M Allen I am probably going to be one of many replys on this one: DON'T! There is no evidence with which I am familiar that suggests "Scottish" people wore surcoats... -Annette On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 00:40:52 EDT PiranhaBB@aol.com writes: > > -Poster: PiranhaBB@aol.com > > I'm interested in doing a Scottish Renaissance costume.... any > suggestions as > to how I could make a surcote look "Scottish". > > Cheers, > > Lisa > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 22:13:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05109 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:13:34 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14697; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA26994 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bc.mountain.net (root@BC.Mountain.Net [198.77.1.35]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA26980 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from woodenporch.com (AM17-1.NewMartinsville-WV.Mountain.Net [198.77.13.200]) by bc.mountain.net (8.9.2/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA18833 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37546B65.DE98088F@woodenporch.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:24:34 +0000 From: Lois X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: magazines on the Civil war References: <199906020300.VAA24173@indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: Lois If anyone is interested in the Civil war period I just listed copies of the Civil War Lady. Clothing history, social history, living history: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=112251094 Also a facsimile reproduction copy of Workwoman's Guide by A Lady (1838) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=112274642 Lois Lois Mueller Wooden Porch Books books@woodenporch.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 22:15:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05119 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:15:49 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14847; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:42:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA27193 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA27187 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:23:59 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com (14441) by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6PHCa02573 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19cab7a5.2485fd90@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:22:56 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: 1860 Bodice To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 6/1/99 11:03:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, csmart@physics.adelaide.edu.au writes: << > accustomed to flashing people either! You could try putting a couple of hooks and eyes on either side of the bodice point (and maybe round the back too). That might hold the skirt and bodice more firmly together... - >> I usually put them side front, side & side back. Of course you only need to do this if the skirt open in back & the bodice opens in front [or something similar or vice versa]. If both open CB...then just tack them together all the way round. Remember, they were always basting on collars & cuffs & all kinds of things in the 19th century. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 22:51:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05962 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:51:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19037; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:17:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id VAA01641 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:58:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.ptd.net (mail1.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.65]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with SMTP id VAA01622 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199906020358.VAA01622@indra.com> Received: (qmail 7874 invoked from network); 2 Jun 1999 03:57:57 -0000 Received: from cable032009.cable.wcbt.ptd.net (HELO cable.ptd.net) (24.229.32.9) by mail.ptd.net with SMTP; 2 Jun 1999 03:57:57 -0000 From: "mffski" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Spring Cleaning Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:54:39 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "mffski" Dear Scott, You wrote: Seems like some folks are doing some spring cleaning! Well, it's infectious. I've done some too. I just listed some period patterns uncut in the original envelopes on ebay. All of my listing can be seen here: eBay Seller List: mhull@earthlink.net . This is an email address, not a URL. Will you send me the URL, please? There are a few needlepoint books as well. Good luck to all of us. Hope you all had a great weekend. cheers, jd I'm very interested. Maryanne mffski@ptd.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 22:51:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05966 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:51:46 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19399; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA01875 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:00:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.pacifier.com (root@smtp.pacifier.com [199.2.117.96]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA01861 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:00:12 -0600 (MDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip72.van21.pacifier.com [216.65.138.72]) by smtp.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA00116 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906020400.VAA00116@smtp.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:01:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: "what to wear" Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19990601214418.18726.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > Maybe not what you're looking for, but I wear stretch > pants under ALL my skirted garb (I can't stand my big > thighs rubbing together!). I've heard this as "proof" that medieval and Renaissance women *had* to have worn underwear. However, I think we get used to what we grow up with. There have been women who have gone without underpants of any recognizable kind even into the present Century (1900s). In some cultures, even very large women do not wear anything to keep their thighs from rubbing together (such as the large women of the South Sea Islands.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Jun 1 22:59:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05998 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:59:32 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20619; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:27:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id WAA02856 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:08:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.pacifier.com (root@smtp.pacifier.com [199.2.117.96]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA02822 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:08:12 -0600 (MDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip72.van21.pacifier.com [216.65.138.72]) by smtp.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA08840 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906020408.VAA08840@smtp.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:10:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: "what to wear" Priority: normal In-reply-to: <37543FE7.4797DC7F@serv.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > I disagree that underpants are only a modern invention and that women didn't wear > this type of undergarment. There are extant under "pants" pictured in Janet > Arnold for one. I find it very difficult to believe that women didn't figure out > that some kind of garment was needed to stop chafing. There certainly were some > kind in the 16th century if not earlier. These "pants" were actually quite > pretty, embroidery around the hems, made out of linen, with a drawstring waist. What we have extant are Italian late 16th Century. It is not clear whether they are for men or women. We know from reports that some women wore underwear in Italy, but from written sources it was felt to be weird by English standards. From the research I've done, the style seems to have started in late 15th early 16th Century Spain, by women who had noted the habit amongst Moresco women (see Anderson's book on Spanish clothing.) The Spanish women brought them to Italy when they migrated (all those Medici bankers and their ilk). Even in Italy it was considered shocking, which is one of the reasons why the d'Este women were considered "fast." We must keep in mind that not everyone has a chafing problem. Not only that, but it isn't only the thin who do not have a problem (and only the fat who do.) We get used to what we grow up with or find indispensible once we have gotten out of the habit of going without. Just because *we* can't imagine someone doing something a different way, doesn't mean they might think they had a need for it. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Jun 2 01:54:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA10230 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:53:59 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04836; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:21:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id BAA19011 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:02:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpamgaaa.compuserve.com (ah-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.217.154]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id BAA19003 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:02:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamgaaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.4) id DAA09987 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 03:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 03:01:52 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Underwear was what to wear To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199906020302_MC2-77D4-EB89@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id BAA10230 Status: O -Poster: Melanie Wilson > I find it very difficult to believe that women didn't figure out that some kind of garment was needed to stop chafing. Maybe because they didn't experiance it ? why is it more likely to occur with medieval gear for instance than a modern skirt & briefs without tights(I think pantyhose to you ?) or indeed with stockings ? I'm sorry this point always baffles me, as I don't understand the problem Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Jun 2 02:29:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA07027 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:29:12 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07127; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:57:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id BAA21307 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from internet.casa.gov.au ([203.19.117.195]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id BAA21286 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:36:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by INTERNET with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:40:15 +1000 Message-ID: <617939F93346D1119D0E0060B01B0B5601369476@ACT02EXC001> From: "HICKS, MELISSA" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: Found Louise Portrait - still need help! Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:40:13 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "HICKS, MELISSA" Greetings all, I number of days ago I sent out a request asking for help in tracking down a particular portrait of Louise of Lorraine (otherwise known as Louise de Vaudemont - Queen of France). The details of the portrait were: > The portrait I am > looking for would be from around 1575, and slightly odd in that it has > the turned-back sleeves of French 1530s frocks. There is a drawing of > it in Herbert Norris' Tudor Fashion. > Well, I've actually tracked down a drawing from Racinet at: http://www.costumes.org/history/greatwomen/10340_26.jpg I believe this is the portrait that Norris is referring to, but I am really iffy about Racinet's redrawings. Would anyone know where Racinet took his source material? In other words is there a clue here as to where to look for the original portrait? Oh and Racinet's details are: Racinet, Albert (1988) The Historical Encyclopedia of Costume, ISBN: 1-85170-173-7. p179 Thanks and regards Meliora Lochac. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Jun 2 02:40:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA10060 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:40:50 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08428; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:09:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id BAA22149 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:50:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from morgoth.tuug.org (root@morgoth.tuug.org [130.232.72.1]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id BAA22143 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shodan.yok.utu.fi ([130.232.128.27] HELO shodan ident: NO-IDENT-SERVICE [port 7429]) by tuug.org with SMTP id <40804-1329>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:49:58 +0300 From: "Ella Lynoure Rajamaki" Organization: Lyninine Federation To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:55:56 +2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: "what to wear" Priority: normal In-reply-to: <37543FE7.4797DC7F@serv.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.10) Message-Id: <19990602074958Z40804-1329+23@tuug.org> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Ella Lynoure Rajamaki" On 1 Jun 99, at 13:17, Merouda the True of Bornover wrote: > I find it very difficult to believe that women didn't figure out > that some kind of garment was needed to stop chafing. Chafing of thighs? Perhaps the chafing some experience is because of the modern way of walking (feel very close together)? Or perhaps they found another ways, for example using some kind of cream or oil on thighs to keep them for chafing each other. -- -------(c) 1999--------------* lynoure@tuug.org * Ella Lynoure Rajamaki--------* http://www.tuug.org/~lynoure * _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Jun 2 03:08:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA10588 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 03:08:51 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA10031; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:36:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id CAA23725 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:17:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpamgaab.compuserve.com (ah-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.217.153]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id CAA23720 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:17:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamgaab.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.4) id EAA13577 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:16:49 -0400 From: Margaret Bolger Subject: H-COST: Antique Costume & Textiles Fairs To: all Message-ID: <199906020417_MC2-77DD-96B9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id DAA10588 Status: O -Poster: Margaret Bolger Apologies if you have received this information previously via other lists! Once again my Antique Costume & Textiles Fairs are fast approaching, as follows : (a) 13th June - Assembly Rooms, BATH..........home of the Costume Museum! (b) 25th July - Esher Hall, SANDOWN PARK, Surrey (c) 19th September - Armitage Centre, MANCHESTER The next event - at Bath - has over 60 dealers selling a wonderful range of antique/vintage costume and textiles. We have attracted dealers from France, Belgium and Italy! As usual we will have Bonhams (Auctioneers) providing FREE valuations, Pat Earnshaw will give FREE lace valuations and a textile conservation studio will also offer FREE advice. At BATH - you could combine a visit to the Fair with a visit to the world famous Museum of Costume - a combined ticket will be available on the day! At SANDOWN PARK - make it a weekend feast of antique textiles, with a full day course on 24th July to learn all about the Care & Preservation of Antique Textiles. (The fee for this course includes entry to the Fair!) More information about the Fairs can be found on my web site - http://www.artizania.co.uk *** On the web site, I am now listing other UK dealers and events of interest around the world. I have just added a nice range of engageants, pelerines, collars and a lovely Dresden work neckerchief. Margaret antique costume & textiles http://www.artizania.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Jun 2 05:55:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA14168 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 05:55:54 -0400 Received: from indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA16021; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 05:24:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) id FAA14641 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 05:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by indra.com (8.8.5/Spike-8-1.1) with ESMTP id FAA14633 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 05:04:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from VAMP (a2a01770.direct.bconnected.net [209.53.2.42]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id HAA24405 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004901beacea$00d2eae0$0300a8c0@direct.ca> From: "Brandy Dickson" To: References: <199906020302_MC2-77D4-EB89@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Underwear was what to wear Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:21:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: O -Poster: "Brandy Dickson" From: Melanie Wilson : : > I find it very difficult to believe that women didn't figure out : that some kind of garment was needed to stop chafing. : : Maybe because they didn't experiance it ? why is it more likely to occur : with medieval gear for instance than a modern skirt & briefs without : tights Well, I have a theory... if you live your whole life having your body shaped by a corset, the body adjusts... I think it is the same with the thighs... if you lived your whole life not using anything to stop the chafting, well, the body adjusts by toughening up the skin there.... I also wear skirts mundanely and in the SCA. When I am wearing skirts on a nippy, dewy, muggy, rainy or damp day, I find that I have red puffy chafted skin, and it becomes hard to walk without looking like you need to go home... when I am wearing skirts in the SCA, I find myself walking with a different stride, and the swing to my hips changes.... it truely makes a difference to how much chafting I get, and how long it hurts for... to combat that, I use cheap baby powder, or if desperate, oils, but they absorb into the skin after a bit, and can make the potential problem worse... sometimes I wear biking shorts, because I haven't the time to "powder up" ... Hope this helps... Brandy Dickson query@mindless.com (I think pantyhose to you ?) or indeed with stockings ? I'm sorry : this point always baffles me, as I don't understand the problem _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME