From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 03:29:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10265 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 03:29:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26749; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 02:47:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27960 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 02:46:51 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27950 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 02:46:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA08345.; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:52:26 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 01 Nov 1999 09:45:24 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 09:46:32 +0000 From: "KATE M BUNTING" To: Subject: H-COST: Re: Hallowe'en costumes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id CAA27954 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" I'm curious about just what you Americans do in all these Hallowe'en costumes. Is wearing them to work as some people have mentioned a common practice? Hallowe'en is not a big deal here in Britain, perhaps because we have Guy Fawkes Day less than a week after. You can buy pumpkins nowadays (turnip lanterns are the traditional British version, but they are harder to carve as I remember from once having tried). I once dressed as a witch for a party (put a black paper cone over the crown of a black straw hat), but it wasn't a regular event. Some children have latched on to the "trick or treat" business in recent years, but I've never heard of there being any flurry of costume making - I think they just buy masks or use face paint. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 04:22:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA10368 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 04:22:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA28383; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 03:40:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19636 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 03:39:52 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA19444 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 03:39:50 -0700 (MST) From: ben@hrofi.demon.co.uk Received: from hrofi.demon.co.uk ([158.152.7.203]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11iEr7-0005cy-0K for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:38:35 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: German Slash and puff Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 10:37:38 GMT Message-ID: <381e6d3a.1895781@post.demon.co.uk> References: <381D25BE.3424@wireweb.net> In-Reply-To: <381D25BE.3424@wireweb.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id DAA19529 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: ben@hrofi.demon.co.uk On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:31:42 -0600, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Alexandria Doyle" > >Hi all, > >I want to make one of those lovely German slash and puff dress. But I'm >coming up short on the documentation. Before I cut the velvet I would >like to have as much information as possible and not rely on a paperdoll >interpretation. > >Anyone know of any artists I could look up on the web for portraits? >What about readily available books? I have to get cutting pretty >quick-need it complete for Saturday- so ILL is out of the question. > >Thanks >Alexandria Try this site: http://www.landsknecht.com/hall.html Ben _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 05:16:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10422 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 05:16:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA00215; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 04:34:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02715 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 04:33:56 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from spamgaae.compuserve.com (as-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.217.148]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02710 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 04:33:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id GAA11308; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 06:33:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 06:32:51 -0500 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Medieval Laundry To: "INTERNET:H-fem@onelist.com" Cc: LIST historic costume Message-ID: <199911010633_MC2-8B31-425@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id EAA02711 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Melanie Wilson Has anyone has any sources or knowledge about 15thC laundry (or even general 'medieval' laundry). I know about laying linen on the grass to dry in order to bleach it, but I don't know much more... Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 07:48:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10539 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:48:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07931; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:05:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17856 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:04:56 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17850 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:04:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from almond.excite.com ([198.3.99.227]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991101135958.ZISG3796.fortune.excite.com@almond.excite.com> for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 05:59:58 -0800 From: "Maureen Brown" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: German Slash and puff Message-Id: <941464798.6539.109@excite.com> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 05:59:58 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 209.138.157.83 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Maureen Brown" On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:31:42 -0600, Alexandria Doyle wrote: > > -Poster: "Alexandria Doyle" > > Hi all, > > I want to make one of those lovely German slash and puff dress. But I'm > coming up short on the documentation. Before I cut the velvet I would > like to have as much information as possible and not rely on a paperdoll > interpretation. > > Anyone know of any artists I could look up on the web for portraits? > What about readily available books? I have to get cutting pretty > quick-need it complete for Saturday- so ILL is out of the question. > > Thanks > Alexandria > Louis Cranach is another good artist for slash and puff. --Maureen ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 07:52:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10545 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:52:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA08598; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:09:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18494 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:09:28 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18483 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:09:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from dotty.atext.com ([199.172.152.205]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991101140313.ZJCJ3796.fortune.excite.com@dotty.atext.com> for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 06:03:13 -0800 From: "Maureen Brown" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: German Slash and puff Message-Id: <941464992.11470.409@excite.com> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 06:03:12 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 209.138.157.83 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Maureen Brown" On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:31:42 -0600, Alexandria Doyle wrote: > > -Poster: "Alexandria Doyle" > > Hi all, > > I want to make one of those lovely German slash and puff dress. But I'm > coming up short on the documentation. Before I cut the velvet I would > like to have as much information as possible and not rely on a paperdoll > interpretation. > > Anyone know of any artists I could look up on the web for portraits? > What about readily available books? I have to get cutting pretty > quick-need it complete for Saturday- so ILL is out of the question. > > Thanks > Alexandria > I'm sorry, that should be LUCAS Cranach, not Louis. (I thought that sounded too French to be right....) --Maureen ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 08:07:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10563 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:07:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10080; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:23:56 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20443 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:23:50 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20422 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:23:47 -0700 (MST) From: seamstrix@juno.com Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id EQCJ3CVX; Mon, 01 Nov 1999 09:20:58 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:19:42 -0600 Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Hallowe'en costumes Message-ID: <19991101.082057.-355549.0.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 14-18,20-43 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com Halloween here Stateside has been getting bigger and more elaborate as time goes on. It used to be mostly kids who dressed up, but the 'trick-or-treating' has been going on for quite awhile. Since the 60's, more adults have gotten into the dress-up part of Halloween and now it's fairly common for workplaces to have people in costume on Halloween or the closest day. I went to eat at a restaurant for breakfast yesterday and all the wait-staff were in costume and they had a box where you could vote for the costume you liked the best! And decorating your house for Halloween has gotten bigger. It's almost as big as Christmas. As a kid I remember that a few cardboard pictures of witches and black cats in the window and a pumpkin was considered good. Now people have complete graveyards in their front lawn (I'm not exaggerating!) and lightup ghosts and stuff. The funniest thing I've seen are three dimensional 'dolls' of the back half of witches on broomsticks either crashed into telephone poles or into windows. Karen On Mon, 01 Nov 1999 09:46:32 +0000 "KATE M BUNTING" writes: > > -Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" > > I'm curious about just what you Americans do in all these Hallowe'en > costumes. Is wearing them to work as some people have mentioned a > common practice? > Hallowe'en is not a big deal here in Britain, perhaps because we > have Guy Fawkes Day less than a week after. You can buy pumpkins > nowadays (turnip lanterns are the traditional British version, but > they are harder to carve as I remember from once having tried). I > once dressed as a witch for a party (put a black paper cone over the > crown of a black straw hat), but it wasn't a regular event. Some > children have latched on to the "trick or treat" business in recent > years, but I've never heard of there being any flurry of costume > making - I think they just buy masks or use face paint. > > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 08:16:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10575 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:16:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10989; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:33:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22052 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:33:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22039 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:33:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07710 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:33:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01299 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:33:53 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:33:53 -0500 (EST) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Medieval Laundry In-Reply-To: <199911010633_MC2-8B31-425@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: aleed > > Has anyone has any sources or knowledge about 15thC > laundry (or even general 'medieval' laundry). I know about laying > linen on the grass to dry in order to bleach it, but I don't know > much more... I'm in the midst of translating the "Nurnberger Kunstbuch", a 15th century manuscript dealing with several things, among them cleaning and processing fabric. They had several really neat ways to clean fabrics, especially ones which couldn't be washed with soap and water--egg yolk was actually specified in more than one recipe, and lye was common. Woad and beech ashes were specified as the best to make lye from. They also had an extended description of how to go about washing all the linen in the nunnery on washing day, which includes an interesting method of making lye soap. For ironing fabric, the manuscript mentioned heating a flat, hot stone and running it over the damp fabric until it was dry. In case the fabric could not handle a hot stone, a fresh loaf of bread was another option. Altogether, it was really neat. I'm almost done with the textiles section of the manuscript; when I am, I'll put it online and post the URL to this list. Drea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 09:04:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10659 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:04:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16570; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:21:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01266 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:20:34 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.33]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01251 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:20:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from mai040RS1.lib.ohio-state.edu (mai040rs1.lib.ohio-state.edu [128.146.115.31]) by mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05569 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:17:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991101102452.006a6304@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: mhamilto@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 10:24:52 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Marsha J. Hamilton" Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Hallowe'en costumes In-Reply-To: <19991101.082057.-355549.0.seamstrix@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Marsha J. Hamilton" >> I'm curious about just what you Americans do in all these Hallowe'en >> costumes. Is wearing them to work as some people have mentioned a >> common practice? This year, I dressed as Queen Victoria for the Halloween party at work. It's become a big thing in the States in the last ten years or so. We had a pumpkin carving contest, costume and skit contest, and costume parade, all during work hours. At home, we decorated the front yard with pumpkins, a smiling-face wooden pumpkin cut-out, a big lit-from-inside plastic pumpkin, and huge amounts of fake spider webbing draped over all the trees and bushes. Plus a tasteful arrangement of Indian corn on the front door. In past years, I've dressed up to hand out candy but I fizzled this year. The best neighborhood display is the lady who dresses as a witch, plays spooky music and sound effects tapes (you buy them at the store--screams and moaning, etc.) and has a big black plastic cauldron she fills with dry ice and stirs. Many people in our neighorhood replace their regular outside lights with orange or black bulbs for beggar's night. My personal favorite costume this year was two little Japanese twins, about 6 mos. old dressed as pumpkins. Their mom made the little felt outfits and pumpkin stem hats and they sat wide eyed in a little red wagon while their parents took them from house to house getting candy and snapping pictures. It was terminally cute! I wanted to keep them! This year there were lots of Darth Mauls, (the entire 8th grade class from a local school went as Brittany Spears), princesses, knights, hobo's, etc. When I asked one young man what he was (he didn't seem to have a costume), he said he was a "dead rapper." A guy down the street used to dress from head to foot in a gorilla costume to hand out candy. A friend used to dress like a scarecrow (face covered, stuffed with straw) and sit outside all evening propped up on a bale of hay. When kids (and I) came to the porch, he'd wait until you were right up close, then jump up. I shriek more than the kids! This works because many folks stuff clothes with straw to make it look like a person--so its sometimes hard to tell if the scarecrows are people dressed up or not. You have to see it to believe it. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 09:30:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10702 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:30:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20421; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:46:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07846 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:46:46 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from eclipse.pacifier.com (eclipse.pacifier.com [199.2.117.78]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07834 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:46:44 -0700 (MST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip178.van17.pacifier.com [216.65.137.178]) by eclipse.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.3pop) with SMTP id HAA17970 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:46:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911011546.HAA17970@eclipse.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:49:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: Medieval Laundry Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199911010633_MC2-8B31-425@compuserve.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > Has anyone has any sources or knowledge about 15thC > laundry (or even general 'medieval' laundry). I know about laying > linen on the grass to dry in order to bleach it, but I don't know > much more... There's an interesting book (pamphlet) called The Final Steps by Beverly Gordon. (ISBN 0-934026-07-6) which talks about the finishing of fabric from early history through medieval and on to late 19th Century. In it she discusses bleaching and washing (as these are part of finishing, as well as laundry.) You might find something of interest there. Also, check books on women's work, and also social history. Often they have descriptions of that sort of thing. Over the years I've also seen period paintings of women doing laundry (often as background figures.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 09:48:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10739 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:48:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23400; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:05:41 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13391 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:05:31 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (root@proxy2.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13367 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:05:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from best.com (lavolta.vip.best.com [206.86.95.234]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id IAA11766 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:04:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <381DBADF.B126A8FB@best.com> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 08:07:59 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Repro Victorian Garnet Jewelry References: <0.c179cd41.254e808f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Lavolta Press > -Poster: Mayfair13a@aol.com > > In a message dated 10/29/99 9:51:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lavolta@best.com writes: > > << > -Poster: Lavolta Press > > http://www.classic-jewelry.de/page_necklace-l.htm > > A company in Germany that reproduces 1860-1880 style Bohemian garnet > necklaces, earrings, etc. I haven't bought from them but am thinking > about it. > > Fran > >> > Okay, > > I punched in this web address & came up with nothing. Could you please tell > us the name of the company? I'm not very computer agile. > > Thank You So Much > > Pasha > _________________________________________________________________ > They are called Classic Jewelry. Their main web page is http://www.classic-jewelry.de Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.best.com/~lavolta/index.htm Historic and vintage dance http://www.best.com/~lavolta/dance/index.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 10:34:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10861 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:34:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00675; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:50:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26233 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:49:48 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from Herb-Lore.com (mail.herb-lore.com [209.141.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26214 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:49:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from Flohrschutz [207.204.223.212] by Herb-Lore.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A298F5B0116; Mon, 01 Nov 1999 09:49:12 -0700 Message-ID: <003601bf2491$83366060$d4dfcccf@Flohrschutz> From: "Heather" To: References: <3.0.3.32.19991101010205.03de2b60@radiks.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Halloween costume Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:49:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Heather" > costume. The kicker was that almost no-one figured out what the costume > was, and the majority's first guess was "Queen Amidala"!!! In fact, I won > "Most Beautiful" because they thought that was what I was, even though in > my bit for the judges I blessed them, flashed the fangs, then bit one of > them on the neck! Sandy, You're not alone. Last night, my son was dressed as a jedi with the jedi robe and lightsabor. Most people thought he was a vampire! Heather _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 11:06:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10888 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:06:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06803; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:23:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06508 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:22:52 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from apollo.directcon.net (IDENT:root@apollo.directcon.net [206.170.184.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06501 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:22:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p35.directcon.net [206.170.184.134]) by apollo.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25809 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:21:34 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:21:34 -0800 Message-Id: <199911011721.JAA25809@apollo.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Elizabethan Puritan suggestions wanted Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson > >I haven't seen more than a picture or two in the Elizabethan books i >have. Since Puritan women dressed rather plainly, i guess they're not >pretty enough. But since they were often somewhat wealthy, my guild >master has given me permission to make my costume fancier. I would >actually like some references to period paintings of known "Puritan" >women, or written references describing how they dressed. > >I want to look richer, yet still look plain, remembering that we get >locked in the stocks and drubbed with water at least once at nearly >every fair, and are meant to be a bit foolish, rather than completely >authentic. > >Does anyone have any suggestions for how i can dress up my outfit >while still remaining "modest"? When I was designing my costume for Alice Montague, the Queen's Silkwoman, I decided to dress as a wealthy Puritan. I don't actually have proof she was a puritan, but many of the merchant and artisan class that served the Queen were, and theatrically, it works by giving me a very rich appearance that, at the same time, is quite diffeent from the noble classes. As I ran into the same problem with not finding many pictures of Puritan women, I looked at portraits of men instead. I found many of them dressed very richly, but entirely in black and with white body linen. So, my final solution was a black linen gown tirmmed with black silky braid and black embroidered slips, sleeves of black on black embroidered silk, and a forepart of black satin, the embroidered silk, and bands of black bobbin lace. I wear it with either an Elizabethan tall hat, or a white attifet with a black veil. I have a lace standing ruff, but I'm planning a lace trimmed partlet with small ruff as well. Basically, using lots of surface interest and different textures, but all the same color, gives the impression of richness without gaudiness. You could easily adapt this idea to your needs for water resistance, by your choice of fabrics and trims. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 12:24:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11001 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:24:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22628; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:40:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21222 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:39:34 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from scl-viruswall.phoenix.com (scl-viruswall.phoenix.com [134.122.11.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA21199 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:39:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from 134.122.11.5 by scl-viruswall.phoenix.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 01 Nov 1999 10:39:01 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:38:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1F176F2C2977D311B3300090270E6378266C81@scl-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" , "Kayta Barrows (E-mail)" Subject: H-COST: RE: Dylon dye for hot water Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:38:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Cynthia Barnes >Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >I used to be able to get Dylon dye for hot water. I haven't seen the stuff for years now, only the cold water version. Is it still made for hot water? If so, where can I get it? How 'bout that. I just bought some. Since you're in S Silicon Valley: You should go to JoAnne's in Mt View where the old NY Fabrics was. Take 101 N, S on San Antonio, you cant turn L at California, so go down & do a U come back & R on California Ave. At the next light, JoAnne's is on the R between Lucky & Beverages-n-More --cin Cynthia Barnes 408.570.1023 Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com Phoenix Technologies 411 E. Plumeria Dr. San Jose CA 95134 "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 12:31:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11018 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:31:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23506; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:46:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23102 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:46:03 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ntserver1.mainsaver.com ([206.17.202.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23087 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by HP-LH3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:38:14 -0800 Message-ID: <5B38B8D7EED8D211997F00A0C9E57FB91DB53D@HP-LH3> From: MAGGIE SECARA To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: The Original post[Fwd: H-COST: [Fwd: [Cathedral] FWD: Theft a nd the businesses who indulge in it]] Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:38:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: MAGGIE SECARA >> > >(http://www.narnia-productions.com/blackwork.html) seems awfully >> > >similar to content at the Blackwork Embroidery Archives >> > >(http://www.pacificnet.net/~pmarmor/bwarch.html). This is there but it is set up a little different. Same fonts and all in a different order. In both cases, these are the same work by the same person. PKMarmor is a friend as well as my web site designer, and I've let her know about this stuff. She's taking it up on her own, and says thanks for the heads-up Cheers! MaggiRos A Compendium of Common Knowledge (1558-1603) is at http://ren.dm.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 12:54:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11121 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:54:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27955; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:10:56 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00257 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:10:40 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00245 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:10:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.199] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11iMqh-0001Ag-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:10:36 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991130020636.00b04be0@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:29:30 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: H-COST: Hallowe'en costumes in America In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >I'm curious about just what you Americans do in all these Hallowe'en >costumes. Some of us just use Halloween as an excuse to wear more costumes more places. Some enjoy 'freaking the mundanes' - wearing costumes most people don't understand just to annoy them. Some use making costumes as a creative outlet. Others use wearing them as a way to become someone else for a while, possibly as an excuse to flirt, drink too much, or otherwise misbehave, which they wouldn't ordinarily do (MardiGras and other carnivals are like that, I am told). I enjoy wearing different clothes, especially top-to-toe historicals, because my usual t-shirt and jeans choices get boring after 50 weeks. In late October I can wear anything I want almost anywhere, and people just think it's for Halloween. This includes the stuff from my ethnic collection and my sarees. I have a sweater (jersey) I bought because it had a pattern of skulls and crossbones knitted in it, purple on black, like a pirate flag. In the month of October I wear it 'everywhere'. Other months I only wear it to San Francisco (where it is always appreciated). Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 13:17:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11178 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:17:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01899; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:33:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06399 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:32:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from spdmgaab.compuserve.com (ds-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.206.135]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06390 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:32:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id OAA16671 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:30:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:30:22 -0500 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Medieval Laundry To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199911011430_MC2-8B3C-F1A4@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id MAA06395 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Melanie Wilson Thanks Drea Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 13:42:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11225 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:42:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06222; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:58:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13480 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:57:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13469 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:57:53 -0700 (MST) From: Mayfair13a@aol.com Received: from Mayfair13a@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6JLMa01794 (4594) for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:57:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.924da1d4.254f4a9f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:57:19 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Repro Victorian Garnet Jewelry To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Mayfair13a@aol.com In a message dated 11/1/99 8:06:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, lavolta@best.com writes: << They are called Classic Jewelry. Their main web page is http://www.classic-jewelry.de Fran >> Attention Everyone, Fran is evil. This jewelry is fabulous. How fortunate for me that my birthstone is Garnet!! Cheers!! Pasha _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 14:46:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11327 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:46:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16860; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:02:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00492 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:02:03 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00471 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-159-42.s42.tnt7.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.159.42]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA26982 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:01:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01f101bf24ac$c4883960$2a9faccf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: H-COST: Re: Halloween costumes Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:05:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" Kate, Here in Richmond, Virginia, Halloween is a very big and the thing to do. We have a lot of pumpkin patches and they host a variety of things to do, hayrides, haunted houses, and picking your pumpkin from the fields. Many non-profit organizations host haunted houses. There are ghost tours of the cemeteries and many costume contests. Our county library system hired an actor to go weekly during October to different libraries and tell ghost stories. The whole month seems to be a celebration of Halloween. Halloween has always been my second favorite holiday next to Mardi Gras. And we do anything to dress up in costume. I have not made my kids costumes in years. We have a giant costume bag and the kids and their friends make their own costumes from the mixtures of costumes in the bag or they make up one on their own. We have had two Halloween parties this year. I have three kids with birthdays during this month. So we throw very big parties, with bobbing for apples (the girls VS the boys), pinatas, and egg and water ballon tosses. Somehow the tosses always ends up as a boys vs girls war, eggs and balloons everywhere. Everyone who comes to the parties HAS to come in costume. We always dress the yard and house up for Halloween by Oct. 1st. We have a graveyard I made with a grave for every member of our family. Our family joke is that the youngest child murdered everyone else and the manner of death is stated on their graves. How ever they were murdered is how we decorate their grave. Katie was cut up and put in a stew, so we have a kettle with a bunch of floating eyeballs in water dyed red in front of her grave. Fake spider webs, pumpkins, and ghosts are every where. We have strobe (sp?) lights all over the yard Halloween night last night. Our most fun is thinking up a different way every year for the trick or treaters to get their candy. One year, I was on the second floor of our house, and threw the candy out a window (Mardi Gras style). But before I would throw the candy, I made the kids back up to our porch rail and one of my sons (who was underneath the porch) would grab their legs. At the same time, I threw a ghost on a rope out the window at them. Another year, we built a coffin out of a refrigerator box, and one of my sons dressed as a corpse and handed them the candy. Last night, I dressed up in a Mardi Gras costume, and handed out candy and Mardi Gras beads. A first happened last night. My son who is in college brought all his friends over. They decided to all dress up in costume and take this one college girl (who looks 14) trick or treating. They wanted to see if people would give her candy, thinking that she was a kid. They had the best time and the 19 y.o. girl came back with a bag of candy. They said every house gave her candy. We have so much fun with our house at Halloween, we will be decorating our home and yard for Mardi Gras this year. We are going to have a big Mardi Gras party and costumes are required. I bought all kinds of decorations and masks when we made our trip home for Mardi Gras last year. We will be having our first Mardi Gras tree. After last year's trip, we each have pillowcases full of beads, cups and toys from the parades. So noone will be leaving the party empty handed. All is not lost... yes, we are crazy... but all this decorating of our house has inspired one of my sons to go to college for set and lighting design. Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 15:57:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11586 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:57:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27182; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:09:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17843 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:09:15 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (IDENT:root@sm0101.promedia.net [209.160.170.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17836 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:09:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from j9g8x8 (ppp-209-160-172-215.01.promedia.net [209.160.172.215]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA17844 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:09:09 -0800 Message-ID: <001201bf24b6$45c2b7e0$d7aca0d1@j9g8x8> From: "Broneske" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Hallowe'en costumes Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:13:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Broneske" Interesting.....I always thought the whole idea of dressing up and "Trick or Treat", etc. all the other Halloween traditions came from Britain, i.e. Celtic and pagan traditions...am I way off? Joan Broneske unicorn@softcom.net @-->---------------- -----Original Message----- From: KATE M BUNTING To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 1:47 AM Subject: H-COST: Re: Hallowe'en costumes > >-Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" > >I'm curious about just what you Americans do in all these Hallowe'en costumes. Is wearing them to work as some people have mentioned a common practice? >Hallowe'en is not a big deal here in Britain, perhaps because we have Guy Fawkes Day less than a week after. You can buy pumpkins nowadays (turnip lanterns are the traditional British version, but they are harder to carve as I remember from once having tried). I once dressed as a witch for a party (put a black paper cone over the crown of a black straw hat), but it wasn't a regular event. Some children have latched on to the "trick or treat" business in recent years, but I've never heard of there being any flurry of costume making - I think they just buy masks or use face paint. > > >Kate Bunting >Library, University of Derby > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 16:11:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11634 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:11:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01226; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:27:39 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14403 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:55:54 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14392 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:55:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from camelot (ip133.houston19.tx.pub-ip.psi.net [38.31.107.133]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA06167 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:55:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00b801bf24b4$481aeaa0$856b1f26@camelot> From: "Diane M. Mathews" To: References: <01f101bf24ac$c4883960$2a9faccf@e4c2n6> Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Halloween costumes Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:58:47 -0600 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Diane M. Mathews" I am glad to know that someone else is as crazy as we are here. I am in Texas and my ENTIRE house is decorated Halloween. Huge spider webs and the candlabraas all have black candles. Ghosts are everywhere and the entire house is wired for Halloween sounds. Every year we have a huge costume party and the kids have a costume contest for the best dressed horse costume. (this is a horse farm). We always have at least three pintas and there is everything from candy to games to horse grooming equipment that might fall out when the pintas are hit. Christmas gets even crazier. I was in a store last year waiting in the check out line when I overheard a convesation about " THE " place to go a Christmas party and how this place looked like Santa's workshop and there was a 16 foot live blue spruce Christmas tree with all animation ornaments but, she did not know the address. I turned around and said " do you mean the horse farm ? " and the reply was " YES ". I could not believe that it was my own house !!! I kindly gave her directions and the date of the party. After 150 quests----What are a few more ? The more the merrier and we do have a good time here. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: Penny Ladnier To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 3:05 PM Subject: H-COST: Re: Halloween costumes > > -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > > Kate, > > Here in Richmond, Virginia, Halloween is a very big and the thing to do. We > have a lot of pumpkin patches and they host a variety of things to do, > hayrides, haunted houses, and picking your pumpkin from the fields. Many > non-profit organizations host haunted houses. There are ghost tours of the > cemeteries and many costume contests. Our county library system hired an > actor to go weekly during October to different libraries and tell ghost > stories. The whole month seems to be a celebration of Halloween. > > Halloween has always been my second favorite holiday next to Mardi Gras. > And we do anything to dress up in costume. I have not made my kids costumes > in years. We have a giant costume bag and the kids and their friends make > their own costumes from the mixtures of costumes in the bag or they make up > one on their own. We have had two Halloween parties this year. I have > three kids with birthdays during this month. So we throw very big parties, > with bobbing for apples (the girls VS the boys), pinatas, and egg and water > ballon tosses. Somehow the tosses always ends up as a boys vs girls war, > eggs and balloons everywhere. Everyone who comes to the parties HAS to come > in costume. > > We always dress the yard and house up for Halloween by Oct. 1st. We have a > graveyard I made with a grave for every member of our family. Our family > joke is that the youngest child murdered everyone else and the manner of > death is stated on their graves. How ever they were murdered is how we > decorate their grave. Katie was cut up and put in a stew, so we have a > kettle with a bunch of floating eyeballs in water dyed red in front of her > grave. Fake spider webs, pumpkins, and ghosts are every where. We have > strobe (sp?) lights all over the yard Halloween night last night. > > Our most fun is thinking up a different way every year for the trick or > treaters to get their candy. One year, I was on the second floor of our > house, and threw the candy out a window (Mardi Gras style). But before I > would throw the candy, I made the kids back up to our porch rail and one of > my sons (who was underneath the porch) would grab their legs. At the same > time, I threw a ghost on a rope out the window at them. Another year, we > built a coffin out of a refrigerator box, and one of my sons dressed as a > corpse and handed them the candy. Last night, I dressed up in a Mardi Gras > costume, and handed out candy and Mardi Gras beads. > > A first happened last night. My son who is in college brought all his > friends over. They decided to all dress up in costume and take this one > college girl (who looks 14) trick or treating. They wanted to see if people > would give her candy, thinking that she was a kid. They had the best time > and the 19 y.o. girl came back with a bag of candy. They said every house > gave her candy. > > We have so much fun with our house at Halloween, we will be decorating our > home and yard for Mardi Gras this year. We are going to have a big Mardi > Gras party and costumes are required. I bought all kinds of decorations and > masks when we made our trip home for Mardi Gras last year. We will be > having our first Mardi Gras tree. After last year's trip, we each have > pillowcases full of beads, cups and toys from the parades. So noone will be > leaving the party empty handed. > > All is not lost... yes, we are crazy... but all this decorating of our house > has inspired one of my sons to go to college for set and lighting design. > > Later... Penny > http://www.costumegallery.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 16:25:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11657 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:25:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03720; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:42:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27331 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:42:35 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:42:35 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us [209.129.16.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27209 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:42:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us (ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us [10.1.100.1]) by intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA06899 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:05:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:44:20 -0800 Message-ID: From: Heidi Fox To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:44:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Heidi Fox I am unbelievably envious of all of your Halloween activities and costume-friendly events! And your costumes sound divine! I was so disappointed in my Halloween weekend this year...I hope someone will tell me I'm dead wrong on this one, but San Diego is just not a costume town! I've been trying for several months to recruit people for the San Diego sub-chapter of the ICG and have not gotten an single response. On the Saturday night before Halloween, 5 of us went to an Animation Festival in costume. Though the MC hauled us on stage for an impromtu contest (where happily the three costumes I made, including the one I was wearing, one 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place), the entire 45 minutes spent standing in line generated nothing but skewed glances and snide comments! Afterwards, we drove through the Beach bar areas looking for other garbed partiers, and found only one or two here and there. The same was true when we drove through one of the more "flambuoyant" areas of town; very few costumes and apparent costume events were closing down at 11:30 on a Saturday night. On Halloween evening, there were quite a few trick or treaters in my neighborhood, but a good half of them weren't even in costume! I know there were a few club activities in town that our group could have gone to, but I have a feeling I would have found the same uptight lack of interest in being in costume. I've gone to other events this year that were costume events, like the Bloomsday Pub Crawl, and was one of the very few people in costume! Someone tell me I'm wrong! Someone tell me that I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that there are other garbaholics out there in my town just looking for the perfect excuse to dress up! Heidi _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 16:38:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11675 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:38:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05282; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:55:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00769 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:54:53 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tn.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00756 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:54:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by news.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991101225448.QNPG25390.news.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:54:48 -0800 Message-ID: <381E19DB.761C0FA@home.com> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 16:53:15 -0600 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST:Halloween Costumes Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:44:11 -0800 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kat & Kent Nashville is FULL of costumed folx... and folx wear halloween related clothing for a good two weeks beforehand! Kat whose kids trick or treated Friday, Saturday AND Sunday!! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 18:34:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11869 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:34:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20981; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:51:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28595 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:50:34 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from discordia.io.com (discordia.io.com [199.170.88.100]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28585 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:50:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from dragon (aus-as4-052.io.com [208.2.105.52]) by discordia.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06406 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:55:46 -0600 Message-Id: <199911020155.TAA06406@discordia.io.com> From: "Amanda Reeves" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Hallowe'en costumes Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:54:10 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Amanda Reeves" > > > >I'm curious about just what you Americans do in all these Hallowe'en > costumes. Is wearing them to work as some people have mentioned a common > practice? My oldest son works in a Barns & Noble Cafe/Coffee Shop. He'd been telling me all week about the woman that works with him, who sews real well, and was making them all costumes. He wouldn't tell me what it was, but he was real excited about it. We (the rest of the family - me, Dad and his 3 brothers) went to the Cafe Sunday evening.......it was so funny....he was a Wench! He really looked like a woman (until he spoke, of course). This woman was making all the ladies dresses so he just had her make him one, too, so they were all Wenches. He was a hit! Wearing costumes to work, well, I couldn't because I teach in a High School and they don't want anyone to influence the kids, so I just wore my black and crystals:-) But everyone at the shopping strip was dressed up and kids were Trick-or-treating the strip. It's a safe, fun Halloween activity. Amanda _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 18:56:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11904 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:56:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23581; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:13:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03230 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:13:35 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from snip.net (mail.snip.net [209.204.64.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03216 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:13:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from ouppc [209.204.81.191] by snip.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A98624D2007C; Mon, 01 Nov 1999 20:08:22 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01bf24cf$981c87a0$80f4fea9@ouppc> From: "Vince Lyons" To: Subject: H-COST: Samhain (OT) (was: Hallowe'en costumes) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:14:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01BF24A5.ADEF2D00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Vince Lyons" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01BF24A5.ADEF2D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mabel ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 5:13 PM >> -Poster: "Broneske" >> >> Interesting.....I always thought the whole idea of dressing up and = "Trick or >> Treat", etc. all the other Halloween traditions came from Britain, = i.e. >> Celtic and pagan traditions...am I way off? Celtic yes.....and technically Britain, but more specifically, Ireland! = =3D) My father, who spent his early years in Ireland in the 1920's, used to = tell fun stories of turnip carvings and bonfires and things that go = bump in the night. Samhain was the pre-Christian "New Year's Eve", when = it was believed that the spirits of the dead could re-enter the world of = the living. =20 When Catholicism first took hold in Ireland the Church Christianised = some pagan rituals to try to make the faith more appealing to the = natives. Samhain was transformed into a holy day to honour the Catholic = saints, the Eve of All Saints or All Hallows. The church maintained that = the spirits and deities originally glorified on this day were actually = evil beings, hence the modern-day association with daemons, witchcraft & = goblins, as well as symbols of the dead like ghosts and skeletons. =20 (Of course Dad wasn't old enough to remember all this personally, he = just had fun spreading the lore, as do I! :-) ) Cheers! Kerrie (font of folklore) ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01BF24A5.ADEF2D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mabel
 
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>>=20 Interesting.....I always thought the whole idea of dressing up and = "Trick=20 or
>> Treat", etc. all the other Halloween traditions came from = Britain, i.e.
>> Celtic and pagan traditions...am I way = off?
 
Celtic yes.....and technically Britain, but more = specifically,=20 Ireland!  =3D)
 
My father, who spent his early years in Ireland in the = 1920's,=20 used to tell fun stories of turnip carvings and bonfires and things = that go=20 bump in the night. Samhain was the pre-Christian "New Year's Eve", when = it was=20 believed that the spirits of the dead could re-enter the world of the=20 living. 

When Catholicism first took hold in Ireland the Church = Christianised=20 some pagan rituals to try to make the faith more appealing to the = natives. =20 Samhain was transformed into a holy day to honour the Catholic = saints, the=20 Eve of All Saints or All Hallows. The church maintained that the spirits = and=20 deities originally glorified on this day were actually evil beings, = hence=20 the modern-day association with daemons, witchcraft & goblins, as = well as=20 symbols of the dead like ghosts and skeletons. 
 
(Of course Dad wasn't old enough to remember all this personally, = he=20 just had fun spreading the lore, as do I!   :-) )
 
Cheers!
Kerrie (font of folklore)
------=_NextPart_000_0039_01BF24A5.ADEF2D00-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 19:47:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11960 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:47:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29924; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:03:56 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12416 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:03:35 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12406 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:03:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from [166.70.12.81] (helo=[166.70.12.81]) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11iTIG-0004yI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:03:28 -0700 X-Sender: Francesca.da.Bari@pop.netaddress.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003c01bf24cf$981c87a0$80f4fea9@ouppc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:15:56 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Karalee Larsen Pugmire Subject: Re: H-COST: Samhain (OT) (was: Hallowe'en costumes) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Karalee Larsen Pugmire >When Catholicism first took hold in Ireland the Church Christianised some >pagan rituals to try to make the faith more appealing to the natives. >Samhain was transformed into a holy day to honour the Catholic saints, the >Eve of All Saints or All Hallows. The church maintained that the spirits >and deities originally glorified on this day were actually evil beings, >hence the modern-day association with daemons, witchcraft & goblins, as >well as symbols of the dead like ghosts and skeletons. (Of course Dad >wasn't old enough to remember all this personally, he just had fun >spreading the lore, as do I! :-) ) Cheers! Kerrie (font of folklore) I lived in Italy for a year and a half and while I was there I saw All Saints Day (which is Nov. 1st) and the Day of the Dead which is the following day. I think the relationship to the dead was rather universal. I'm not very knowledgeable on the cultural exchange between the Celtic form of Catholicism and the Italian form but I have been told that there was very little if any cross over. So why would the Italians be worshiping the same sort of thing about the same time? Any way on All Saints you visit cathedrals (if your religious) and on the Day of the Dead you visit and decorate your family's cript and grave sites. No one works and everyone seems rather morbid. (Sort of like Memorial Day here in the states). I'm not saying you're wrong, because I know that the Celtic New Year was at this time too. I'm just wondering about what the truth is. The Mexicans have the same Day of the Dead but they dress up skeletons to look like family members and that sort of thing. I do have a half memory from college that the Romans and Greeks worshiped Demeter's grief as her Daughter, Persephone, returned to live with her husband in the underworld for the winter at about this time of year. Perhaps that is where the Mediterranean influenced form of Catholicism gets their version rather than the Celtic/Galic celebration of the nearness of dead friends and family (I do remember that it was a time of joy for them). Francesca da Bari Cote du Ciel (Logan, Utah) Francesca.da.Bari _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 19:47:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11964 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:47:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29919; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:03:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12485 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:03:50 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12476 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:03:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from [166.70.12.81] (helo=[166.70.12.81]) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11iTIa-00050W-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:03:48 -0700 X-Sender: Francesca.da.Bari@pop.netaddress.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003c01bf24cf$981c87a0$80f4fea9@ouppc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:15:56 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Karalee Larsen Pugmire Subject: Re: H-COST: Samhain (OT) (was: Hallowe'en costumes) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Karalee Larsen Pugmire >When Catholicism first took hold in Ireland the Church Christianised some >pagan rituals to try to make the faith more appealing to the natives. >Samhain was transformed into a holy day to honour the Catholic saints, the >Eve of All Saints or All Hallows. The church maintained that the spirits >and deities originally glorified on this day were actually evil beings, >hence the modern-day association with daemons, witchcraft & goblins, as >well as symbols of the dead like ghosts and skeletons. (Of course Dad >wasn't old enough to remember all this personally, he just had fun >spreading the lore, as do I! :-) ) Cheers! Kerrie (font of folklore) I lived in Italy for a year and a half and while I was there I saw All Saints Day (which is Nov. 1st) and the Day of the Dead which is the following day. I think the relationship to the dead was rather universal. I'm not very knowledgeable on the cultural exchange between the Celtic form of Catholicism and the Italian form but I have been told that there was very little if any cross over. So why would the Italians be worshiping the same sort of thing about the same time? Any way on All Saints you visit cathedrals (if your religious) and on the Day of the Dead you visit and decorate your family's cript and grave sites. No one works and everyone seems rather morbid. (Sort of like Memorial Day here in the states). I'm not saying you're wrong, because I know that the Celtic New Year was at this time too. I'm just wondering about what the truth is. The Mexicans have the same Day of the Dead but they dress up skeletons to look like family members and that sort of thing. I do have a half memory from college that the Romans and Greeks worshiped Demeter's grief as her Daughter, Persephone, returned to live with her husband in the underworld for the winter at about this time of year. Perhaps that is where the Mediterranean influenced form of Catholicism gets their version rather than the Celtic/Galic celebration of the nearness of dead friends and family (I do remember that it was a time of joy for them). Francesca da Bari Cote du Ciel (Logan, Utah) Francesca.da.Bari _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 20:48:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12142 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:48:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06591; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:05:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22976 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:05:17 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from scnc.pcs.k12.mi.us (mail.pcs.k12.mi.us [204.39.58.102]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22969 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:05:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from pcs.k12.mi.us (pm454-32.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.234]) by scnc.pcs.k12.mi.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26337 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:05:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <381E1E6A.86DEAD6A@pcs.k12.mi.us> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:12:54 +0000 From: Jean Zerby X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: German Ren Bodices References: <3.0.5.32.19991022132958.0079db10@antir.com> <3.0.5.32.19991022193605.00793c30@antir.com> <3.0.5.32.19991027222114.007bace0@antir.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Jean Zerby Kris wrote: > -Poster: Kris > > At 07:11 PM 26/10/99 +0000, you wrote: > > > >-Poster: Jean Zerby > > > >What I've usually seen with this type of bodice is 3 pieces in the front > and 2 > >in the back. The side pieces go from the side to 1/3 of the chest, the middle > >pieces from mid breast to mid breast. ( Sorry for the graphic pic but it's > the > >best explanation I have) This allows you to make adjustments without darts. > >Check the visual hist of coustume series and Milla Davenport for period pics. > >!9th cent redrawings are often not shaped right and are romanticised. Hope > >this helps > > > >Raella > > ahh... I will do that! Thanks very much for the idea on cutting the pattern > pieces. I'll have to try it this weekend :] > > oh, and would the 3 front pieces be like 'princess' seams? or would they > not curve quite that much... > Probably not, eh? > No, they don't really curve that much. Sorry I'm kinda slow to respond. I don't > get to explore my email as much as I would like. Somebody, not sure who, asked > for more specifics. I'll have to dig around in my books to figure out where > this picture in my head is documented. I hope it's similar to what you need. : > ). Raella > Kris > (who can't believe she just thought & typed an "eh"... yeesh..) > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 21:01:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12210 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:01:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08376; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:18:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25381 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:18:41 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25371 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:18:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-86-104.s104.tnt6.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.86.104]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA00138 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:23:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003801bf24e1$5fc2b2a0$e5d1a4d8@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <199911020155.TAA06406@discordia.io.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Hallowe'en costumes Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:12:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > Wearing costumes to work, well, I couldn't because I teach in a High School > and they don't want anyone to influence the kids, so I just wore my black > and crystals:-) I taught in Middle School last year, and wore my Online Costume Ball '98 logo outfit to school (the hippie) for Halloween. I did it on a dare from my students. They didn't believe it was me in the logo until they saw me dressed in the outfit. As the year went on my students got used to me dressing strange, especially since I wear a lot of wearable art. We had another teacher who was into wearable art, so there were two of us. She likes more of the quilted look, I like more of the art statement. One outfit, I used to wear had an Egyptian veil tied around my waist. I jingled as I walked. Another outfit, had fringe all over in and the textile was an African print. When you fall in with the artsy/history/home ec. teacher category, the staff didn't care what we wore! I broke the mold of what teachers are supposed to look like. Gee, I wonder, if Teddy in England school thinks in the same manner? Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 21:06:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12225 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:06:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08864; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:23:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26035 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:23:06 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ionet.net (root@mail.ionet.net [206.41.128.16]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26026 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from buck (ip156.phoenix8.az.pub-ip.psi.net [38.29.61.156]) by ionet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA29238 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:22:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009e01bf24e1$760a6ee0$9c3d1d26@buck> From: "Dean Quackenbush" To: References: <0.33a47676.254e4190@aol.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Corset Fitting Challenge Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:22:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Dean Quackenbush" Wow, thanks for all the response. I have forwarded them on to my friend - by the way-no offense was taken to anything. We think we are going to give Kat and Kents idea a try. I'll let you know how it turns out!! Saragrace _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 21:10:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12235 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:10:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09480; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:27:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26845 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:27:41 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f285.hotmail.com [209.185.130.224]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA26829 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:27:38 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 49343 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1999 03:27:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19991102032703.49342.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.156.3.121 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Nov 1999 19:27:02 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.156.3.121] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Turn of the century clothing Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 19:27:02 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Aren't you sweet? I thought the name was Cortland, or something, but since I wasn't sure I kept looking. thank you! Susannah >From: "Megan McHugh" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: Re: H-COST: Turn of the century clothing >Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 10:49:49 -0400 > > >-Poster: "Megan McHugh" > >I saved the original post. Here you are: > >quote on: >The name of the corset company is: > >Cortland Corset Co., Inc. >PO B 546 >Cortland, NY 13045 >(607) 756-7566 > >She read this to me from a flyer that is 2 years old, so verify the area >code before you use it. The model she uses is the "All-In-One" >corselet, which you use with the old garter-type stockings. > >quote off: >-----Original Message----- >From: Susannah Eanes >To: h-costume@indra.com >Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 10:21 PM >Subject: Re: H-COST: Turn of the century clothing > > > > > >-Poster: "Susannah Eanes" > > > >This was originally sent in by me, and the company was the one who still > >provides c. 1915 -1920s corsets for my grandmother, in her late 80s. >Now, > >of course I cannot find the pamphlet that she sent me, but I remember it >is > >in New York state. Sorry I missed this post until now. If you saw my >post > >about the turn of the century store stock, there are plenty of c. 1900s - > >1930s corsets of this type in the inventory. If you are really >interested, > >let me know. Meanwhile, I'll keep looking for the corset company >pamphlet > >Grandmother sent me. > > > >Susannah > > > > > > > >>A while back -- several months at least -- there was a discussion about >a > >>corset maker back east who might still make the early century corsets. > >>The pink/peach one that goes from under the breasts to the hips. Did > >>anyone ever contact them and did you get a response? > >> > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 21:18:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12245 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:18:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10372; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:35:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27948 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:35:39 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27924 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:35:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-86-104.s104.tnt6.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.86.104]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA08046 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:40:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004b01bf24e3$c0008960$e5d1a4d8@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <003c01bf24cf$981c87a0$80f4fea9@ouppc> Subject: Re: H-COST: Samhain (OT) (was: Hallowe'en costumes) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:38:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF24B9.D6058960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF24B9.D6058960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MabelWhen Catholicism first took hold in Ireland the Church = Christianised some pagan rituals to try to make the faith more appealing = to the natives. Samhain was transformed into a holy day to honour the = Catholic saints, the Eve of All Saints or All Hallows. The church = maintained that the spirits and deities originally glorified on this day = were actually evil beings, hence the modern-day association with = daemons, witchcraft & goblins, as well as symbols of the dead like = ghosts and skeletons. =20 Gee, I'm Catholic and last night our church had a big Halloween party, = tonight we had mass for All Saints Day, and tomorrow is all All Souls = Day. Our mass tonight was a combo, all Saints and Souls. =20 I saw a very early movie where the kids we going out on Halloween = night, and pulling tricks. I think the setting was 1900-1910. Instead = of the kids receiving treats, the object was to pull tricks on people = that they didn't like in town. The kids threw small bags of flour on = the disliked people. The kids dressed in costume to where the victim did = not know who the kids were. Has anyone ever heard of this tradition? = When did kids start getting candy? Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF24B9.D6058960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mabel
When Catholicism first took hold in Ireland the Church = Christianised some=20 pagan rituals to try to make the faith more appealing to the = natives. =20 Samhain was transformed into a holy day to honour the Catholic = saints,=20 the Eve of All Saints or All Hallows. The church maintained that the = spirits=20 and deities originally glorified on this day were actually evil = beings,=20 hence the modern-day association with daemons, witchcraft & = goblins, as=20 well as symbols of the dead like ghosts and skeletons. 
 
Gee, I'm Catholic and last night our church had a = big=20 Halloween party, tonight we had mass for All Saints Day, and tomorrow = is all=20 All Souls Day. Our mass tonight was a combo, all Saints and = Souls. =20
 
I saw a very early movie where the kids we going = out on=20 Halloween night, and pulling tricks.  I think the setting was=20 1900-1910.  Instead of the kids receiving treats, the object was = to pull=20 tricks on people that they didn't like in town.  The kids threw = small=20 bags of flour on the disliked people. The kids dressed in costume = to=20 where the victim did not know who the kids were. Has anyone ever heard = of this=20 tradition?  When did kids start getting candy?
 
Later... Penny
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------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF24B9.D6058960-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 21:41:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12259 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:41:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13034; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01807 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:58:49 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01792 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:58:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-86-104.s104.tnt6.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.86.104]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA16869 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:03:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005b01bf24e6$fbb849e0$e5d1a4d8@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST: Samhain (OT) (was: Hallowe'en costumes) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:01:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" In our diocese, All Soul's Day is like the Mexican Day of the Dead but without the skeleton's. When I lived in New Mexico, they did celebrate Day of the Dead. Our present church in Virginia has just been designated as the hispanic church of our diocese and we will probably be celebrating Day of the Dead next year. We have a very large hispanic population in our area. So we are learning a lot about the hispanic culture through our church. Both are actually a wonderful celebration in remembrance of our ancestors and friends who have passed on before us. At our church, we have table to place trinkets or photos of those we want to remember and a prayer book is signed with the belated people names. At one time, it was called the Book of the Dead. Some people do go to cemetries and decorate graves. One of our priests suggested that our families have a picnic near our loved ones graves, and discuss with our family fond memories of the person. Last year, when we went home at Mardi Gras, we went to my husband's parents graves, and had a belated All Souls Day. None of our family lives in VA. Each member of our family picked out some of our favorite Mardi Gras catches and placed them all over there graves. We also bought a deck of cards, and placed black 3's on Papa's grave and read 3's on Mama's grave. Both of his parents loved Mardi Gras, and playing Canastia (sp) card games. Papa's always complained when playing cards, that all Mama played down was black 3's. Our family all sat on the ground and talked about how much his parents loved these pastimes. Thanks for letting me share, this is a very special time for my family. Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 21:46:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12269 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:46:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13480; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:03:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02463 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:03:28 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02451 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:03:26 -0700 (MST) From: seamstrix@juno.com Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id EQDZYQZ3; Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:00:55 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:54:52 -0600 Subject: Re: H-COST: Samhain (OT) (was: Hallowe'en costumes) Message-ID: <19991101.220050.-663941.1.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 9-12,14-28 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com Well, my grandmother was born in 1891 and when I was a child she would tell me stories of her own childhood. I remember her telling me that one of the things that she remembered most about Halloween was that she got to wear her brother's pants as part of the disguise. She told me that it was really the only time in her life that she wore them. She didn't tell me what she did while running around at night wearing her brothers' pants (G) but I suspect that they weren't being good little children! The rest of the outfit seemed to be her brothers' shirts and some coal to blacken her face. This probably would have taken place at about 1900-1905 in a working-class, German ethnic neighborhood of Chicago. Karen On Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:38:36 -0500 "Penny Ladnier" writes: > Gee, I'm Catholic and last night our church had a big Halloween > party, tonight we had mass for All Saints Day, and tomorrow is all > All Souls Day. Our mass tonight was a combo, all Saints and Souls. > > I saw a very early movie where the kids we going out on Halloween > night, and pulling tricks. I think the setting was 1900-1910. > Instead of the kids receiving treats, the object was to pull tricks > on people that they didn't like in town. The kids threw small bags > of flour on the disliked people. The kids dressed in costume to > where the victim did not know who the kids were. Has anyone ever > heard of this tradition? When did kids start getting candy? > > Later... Penny > http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 22:02:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12306 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:02:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15237; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:18:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05064 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:18:35 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05056 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:18:33 -0700 (MST) From: M311@aol.com Received: from M311@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6BGCa22485 (4332) for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:18:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.38ddaef7.254fbff8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:18:00 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Hallowe'en costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: M311@aol.com In a message dated 11/1/99 9:24:22 PM Central Standard Time, penny.creative.outlets@erols.com writes: << Online Costume Ball >> I forgot what is the url of this and how long will it be up? Kelly m311@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 22:20:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12330 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:20:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17039; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:37:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07955 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:37:36 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (IDENT:root@sm0101.promedia.net [209.160.170.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07948 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:37:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from j9g8x8 (ppp-209-160-172-66.01.promedia.net [209.160.172.66]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA06181 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:37:32 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01bf24ec$871d7640$42aca0d1@j9g8x8> From: "Broneske" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Halloween costumes Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:41:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Broneske" Well, I guess I had better chime in here too. This year we created a scene in our garage. We hung black plastic down and decorated it with a full moon and stars. We had a loveseat draped in black, two stands on which we placed our jack o'lanterns and various gourds, silk sunflowers, indian corn and candles, We had a card table draped in black with a manniquin I made sitting at it, dressed in black, reading tarot cards. Suspended from the ceiling was a manniquin dressed all in white (she was a ghost) and at the other end was the "Crypt Keeper" dressed in a brown monk's habit. There was also a standing, black coffin with a skeleton in it, orange, green and purple lights around the roof of the house, spider webs and bats. Then to top it all off, we had a large black light fixture facing the scene and a strobe light. Our neighbors loved it and we had a lot of fun doing it. In fact, we are already trying to figure out how we can outdo ourselves next year - we are thinking maybe an Egyptian tomb theme!!! I took lots of pictures with my digital camera. If anyone is interested in seeing what we did, let me know and I will post them on my web site. Joan Broneske unicorn@softcom.net @-->---------------- -----Original Message----- From: Diane M. Mathews To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 2:28 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Halloween costumes > >-Poster: "Diane M. Mathews" > >I am glad to know that someone else is as crazy as we are here. I am in >Texas and my ENTIRE house is decorated Halloween. Huge spider webs and the >candlabraas all have black candles. Ghosts are everywhere and the entire >house is wired for Halloween sounds. Every year we have a huge costume >party and the kids have a costume contest for the best dressed horse >costume. (this is a horse farm). We always have at least three pintas and >there is everything from candy to games to horse grooming equipment that >might fall out when the pintas are hit. Christmas gets even crazier. I >was in a store last year waiting in the check out line when I overheard a >convesation about " THE " place to go a Christmas party and how this place >looked like Santa's workshop and there was a 16 foot live blue spruce >Christmas tree with all animation ornaments but, she did not know the >address. I turned around and said " do you mean the horse farm ? " and the >reply was " YES ". I could not believe that it was my own house !!! I >kindly gave her directions and the date of the party. After 150 >quests----What are a few more ? The more the merrier and we do have a good >time here. > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 22:21:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12334 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:21:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17189; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:38:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08086 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:38:43 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from c2smtp.kentlaw.edu (c2smtp.kentlaw.edu [192.148.222.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08078 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:38:41 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: X-SMF-Message-ID: D8151E3801AA3400 X-SMF-Hop-Count: 1 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:36:00 -0600 From: KATHARINE WHISLER To: h-costume@indra.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00102459 Subject: H-COST: Misidentified costumes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.51 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: KATHARINE WHISLER >>- -Poster: "Heather" >> costume. The kicker was that almost no-one figured out what the costume >> was, and the majority's first guess was "Queen Amidala"!!! In fact, I >> won "Most Beautiful" because they thought that was what I was, even >> though in my bit for the judges I blessed them, flashed the fangs, then >> bit one of them on the neck! > >Sandy, > >You're not alone. Last night, my son was dressed as a jedi with the jedi >robe and lightsabor. Most people thought he was a vampire! > >Heather I remember being extremely proud of the "Gandalf the Grey" costume I made when I was 12 years old, but in a long night of trick-or-treating most people thought (understandably, I now realize) that I was Santa Claus or Father Time. Only two people guessed correctly, one of whom answered the door in full plate armor! --Katharine _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 22:38:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12363 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:38:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18718; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10925 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:55:45 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10887 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:55:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-86-104.s104.tnt6.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.86.104]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA03684 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:00:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00d601bf24ee$ed945180$e5d1a4d8@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <0.38ddaef7.254fbff8@aol.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Hallowe'en costumes Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:58:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > << Online Costume Ball >> Since Sept. 30. I still have two sets of historic costume pictures to add maybe later this week. The url is http://www.costumegallery.com/Costume_Ball/99/attend.htm or go to the front of the Gallery and go to the Courtyard area. BTW, for the Ball 2000, I will be accepting entries all year long. But the pictures will not go up on the site until Sept. 30, 2000. So if you have a picture during the year you want to enter, send it to me anytime. Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 22:56:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12409 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:56:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20363; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:14:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14241 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:14:06 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.42]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14233 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:14:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([63.28.166.33]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19991102051338.SHZA1553@worldnet.att.net> for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:13:38 +0000 Message-ID: <381E7269.300B9848@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:11:05 -0800 From: Carolyn Richardson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Repro Victorian Garnet Jewelry References: <0.c179cd41.254e808f@aol.com> <381DBADF.B126A8FB@best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carolyn Richardson Lavolta Press wrote: > > > They are called Classic Jewelry. Their main web page is > > http://www.classic-jewelry.de > > Fran I didn't have any trouble with the website, but now I'd really like one of their necklaces. Gorgeous stuff - naturally I fell in love with the most expensive one. CArolyn > > --------------------------------------------- > Visit our web pages! > Books on historic costume and vintage clothes > http://www.best.com/~lavolta/index.htm > Historic and vintage dance > http://www.best.com/~lavolta/dance/index.htm > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 23:16:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12455 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:16:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21655; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:30:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16294 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:30:15 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16279 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:30:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.167.66.12] (sdts11-120.znet.net [207.167.66.120]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with ESMTP id VAA19396 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:30:01 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-From: savaskan@sd.znet.com X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <381D25BE.3424@wireweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:38:59 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: Re: H-COST: German Slash and puff Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Julie Adams >-Poster: "Alexandria Doyle" > >Hi all, > >I want to make one of those lovely German slash and puff dress. But I'm >coming up short on the documentation. Before I cut the velvet I would >like to have as much information as possible and not rely on a paperdoll >interpretation. > >Anyone know of any artists I could look up on the web for portraits? Lucas Cranach, Albrecht Altdorfer, Albrecht Durer, Holbein >What about readily available books? Lucas Cranach by Friedlander I have to get cutting pretty >quick-need it complete for Saturday- so ILL is out of the question. > >Thanks >Alexandria You must be a quick seamstress. I've never completed a German gown in 4 days (even working on nothing else.) You might check out my web page for some info and a list of references: http://www.znet.com/~savaskan/germans The German Women's costume by Medieval Miscellania (or whatever they go by now) has some decent documentation inside. Perhaps you can find a vendor who will overnight ship it to you. If you have any specific questions, I'd be happy to answer what I can. Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 23:23:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12471 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:23:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22441; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:39:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17597 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:39:11 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.42]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17580 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:39:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([63.28.166.33]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19991102053836.SRDA1553@worldnet.att.net> for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:38:36 +0000 Message-ID: <381E7844.C2EFB14A@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:36:04 -0800 From: Carolyn Richardson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Hallowe'en costumes in America References: <4.1.19991130020636.00b04be0@pop.slip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carolyn Richardson Halloween in my neighborhood is pretty big - lots of graveyards, pumpkins, strobe lights, etc. Last year we didn't do much in the way of decorations (I was too busy working overtime) but this year with it being on Sunday we had Saturday to play around. We dressed my Lady Grace mannequin doll in my wedding dress, threw some white silk organza over her head as a veil, and put a candle in her hand. Then we put her in the middle of the front picture window and blacked out the rest of the window with black velvet, turning off all the lights in the room. If we could have figured out a way to give her a red beating heart ala Disney's Haunted Mansion we would have, but it was spooky enough - lots of folks commented on it. The hilarious thing was when we were setting it up, I told my husband it didn't look good with just the drapes framing the doll and we needed to black it out with some velvet or something. Silly man - he said "Do you have any black velvet?" (only about 10 yards of it). The other thing he said, after we lit some candles and put them on the treadle sewing machine next to the door (so we could put the candy basket on it) was "Now I know why they call that model a coffin top." It did give me ideas for next year though - maybe dress Grace all in black, remove the sewing machine from the treadle base, and put a doll under the coffin lid for a funeral. Carolyn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 1 23:25:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12476 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:25:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22671; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:41:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17851 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:41:02 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.42]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17846 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([63.28.166.33]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19991102054029.SRTA1553@worldnet.att.net> for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:40:29 +0000 Message-ID: <381E78B5.4A3433D@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:37:57 -0800 From: Carolyn Richardson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:44:11 -0800 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carolyn Richardson Heidi Fox wrote: > > -Poster: Heidi Fox > > I am unbelievably envious of all of your Halloween activities and > costume-friendly events! And your costumes sound divine! I was so > disappointed in my Halloween weekend this year...I hope someone will tell me > I'm dead wrong on this one, but San Diego is just not a costume town! Heidi, you need to come north to West Hollywood's Halloween bash - I've been several years and it's a real blast. The LA Art Deco Society also did their Hollywood Cemetary tour again, which I would have liked to go on but couldn't make this year. Maybe next. Carolyn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 00:28:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12547 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:28:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27083; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:44:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26027 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:44:18 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26019 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:44:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.144] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11iXfz-0000Z5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:44:15 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991101221605.00ba36c0@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 22:48:20 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: H-COST: Hallowe'en costumes in America In-Reply-To: <381E7844.C2EFB14A@worldnet.att.net> References: <4.1.19991130020636.00b04be0@pop.slip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >Halloween in my neighborhood is pretty big - lots of graveyards, >pumpkins, strobe lights, etc. Our neighbourhood is pretty dead, decoration-wise, on Halloween. A few trick-or-treating kids, but not many decorations. And there are so many Victorian houses here which could be really 'spookified'. This year I went to more Halloween parties than I have ever been to before, plus helping my disco-ball daughter into her costume twice. By Sunday afternoon I was all Halloweened out, so I went to my usual costume buddy's house - she taped over the doorbell so nobody would ring it - and we sewed. I got the body lining of my new 1902 cut out, after looking at her new costume book. She got some applique done on her father's Xmas present quilt, after showing me her new fashion plates. As we sewed we watched the Bela Lugosi version of Dracula because my friend had never seen it. She spotted a star of David around the Count's neck I had never identified as such before. I was surprised to see late '20's clothes on the extras (street scenes) but early '30's ones on the main characters. The ethnic clothes (at the inn below Dracula's castle) looked like they were actual Hungarian/Roumanian garments. It was interesting to my friend to see where all those Dracula cliche's had come from: the Count's accent, his widow's peak, his cape, his posturing with the cape, etc. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 00:28:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12551 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:28:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27086; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:44:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26026 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:44:18 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26012 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:44:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.144] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11iXfx-0000Z5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:44:14 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991101220526.00ccb900@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 22:06:17 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: H-COST: Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:44:11 -0800 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows The same was true when we drove through one of the more >"flambuoyant" areas of town; I hope you tried Hillcrest. The costumes ought to have been spectacular there. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 00:48:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12565 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:48:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28185; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:04:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28280 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:04:40 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28275 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:04:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from pacbell.net ([206.170.68.117]) by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKK006FV67E6O@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:02:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:02:57 +0000 From: Dietmar Subject: H-COST: Re: German Slash and puff To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: "AlexandriaDoyle" Message-id: <381E2A2F.C703FD32@pacbell.net> Organization: Completely Disorganized MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <381D25BE.3424@wireweb.net> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Dietmar Greetings, Alexandria wrote: > I want to make one of those lovely German slash and puff dress. But > I'm coming up short on the documentation. Before I cut the velvet I > would like to have as much information as possible and not rely on a > paperdoll interpretation. > > Anyone know of any artists I could look up on the web for portraits? > What about readily available books? I have to get cutting pretty > quick-need it complete for Saturday- so ILL is out of the question. You might be able to find some good info in Janet Arnold [my copy was borrowed permanently. :-( ] "Hispanic Costume: 1480-1520" by Ruth Matilda Anderson is good too. Though it's not about German, there is a lot of related material. Here are some books to start: "Pictorial Archive of Decorative Renaissance Woodcuts" by Jost Amman. ISBN: 0-486-21987-9 It's very late, but has great woodcuts. "The Paintings of Lucas Cranach" by Max J. Friela"nder and Jakob Rosenberg ISBN: 0-914427-31-8 May be out of print. "The Triumph of Maximilian I" by Hans Burgkmair and others. It's an out of print Dover book, without too many women I'm afraid, but it's one of my all-time favorites. "The German Single Leaf Woodcut; 1550-1600" by Walter Strauss. The absolute best if you can find and afford it. "German Painting for Du"rer to Holbein" by Otto Benesch. Another great out of print book. Of course, it somewhat depends on the time period you are considering, but here's some people to look for in a sort of chronological order. The * indicates the more widely known artists. * Martin Schongauer Michael Wolgemut Michael Pacher Max Pachlich * Albrecht Du"rer (not a lot of women) * Albrecht Altdorfer (a lot of camp followers and landscapes) * Hans Burgkmair (great examples of landsknecht in the 'Triumph of Maximillian') * Hans Holbein the Elder * Lucas Cranach the Elder (many examples of women) * Hans Baldung (called) Grien * Mathias Gru"newald (aka Mathis Gothardt or Neithart) * Hans Holbein the Younger (mostly active in England) Bernhard Strigel Hans Su"ss (or Suess, aka von Kulmbach) Hans Schaufelein Hans Sebald Beham Bartel Beham Georg Pencz Wolf(gang) Huber Lucas Cranach the Younger Urs Graf Christoph Amberger Jakob Seisenegger * Jost Amman (great woodcuts from the last quarter of the 16th century) Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 01:01:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12578 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 01:01:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28668; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:17:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29616 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:16:43 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29611 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:16:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from [208.225.99.112] (ppp112.creative.net [208.225.99.112]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA17883 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:23:22 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lilinah@mail.grin.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991101221605.00ba36c0@pop.slip.net> References: <4.1.19991130020636.00b04be0@pop.slip.net> <4.1.19991101221605.00ba36c0@pop.slip.net> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:23:21 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lilinah biti-Anat Subject: Re: H-COST: Hallowe'en costumes in America Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Lilinah biti-Anat >-Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows > >As we sewed we watched the Bela Lugosi version of Dracula because my friend >had never seen it. She spotted a star of David around the Count's neck I >had never identified as such before. I was surprised to see late '20's >clothes on the extras (street scenes) but early '30's ones on the main >characters. The ethnic clothes (at the inn below Dracula's castle) looked >like they were actual Hungarian/Roumanian garments. It was interesting to >my friend to see where all those Dracula cliche's had come from: the >Count's accent, his widow's peak, his cape, his posturing with the cape, etc. My favorite vampire movie is the 1922 silent film "Nosferatu" by F.W. Murnau. I think it has the creepiest vampire. Doesn't contain any of the typical American vampire cliches. Werner Herzog "remade" it in 1979 starring Klaus Kinski as the vampire. He followed the original very closely - although there was speaking (but not a whole lot) and it was in color - but i still prefer the silent original. It's also great with the music composed for it by the Club Foot Orchestra, as they have for "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari" and "Metropolis", a couple more of my favorite movies. (i've never seen "Vampyr" the 1931 Carl-Theodor Dreyer film... anyone?) (and i still have a soft spot (or is that two side by side on my neck) for the Bela Lugosi Dracula) Lilinah ok, so it's not a costume topic _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 07:03:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17007 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:03:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14436; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:19:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27175 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:19:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from snip.net (mail.snip.net [209.204.64.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA27168 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:19:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from ouppc [209.204.82.28] by snip.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A3933CD009A; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 08:13:55 -0500 Message-ID: <005501bf2534$f326da00$80f4fea9@ouppc> From: "Vince Lyons" To: References: <003c01bf24cf$981c87a0$80f4fea9@ouppc> <004b01bf24e3$c0008960$e5d1a4d8@e4c2n6> Subject: Re: H-COST: Samhain (OT) (was: Hallowe'en costumes) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:19:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01BF250B.097FC660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Vince Lyons" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01BF250B.097FC660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mabel ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Penny Ladnier=20 Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 10:38 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: Samhain (OT) (was: Hallowe'en costumes) >>I saw a very early movie where the kids we going out on Halloween = night, and >>pulling tricks. I think the setting was 1900-1910. = Instead of the kids receiving >>treats, the object was to pull tricks on = people that they didn't like in town. The kids >>threw small bags of = flour on the disliked people. The kids dressed in costume to >>where the = victim did not know who the kids were. Has anyone ever heard of this = >>tradition? When did kids start getting candy? I've heard two things about the "tricks" part. Nothing = involving flour bags, but the mischief-makers went supposedly went out = in costume and caused a ruckus in hopes of scaring off the spirits that = were supposed to be stalking the night, version two is that they were = actually mimicking the spirits--a great opportunity to pull pranks on = the cranky folks in the town and blame it on the wandering ghosties. Two stories on the "treats" part too! Some people would leave = offerings of food and drink for the spirits on their doorsteps, which = could have evolved into the modern day trick or treating.....I also = remember learning about children going door to door begging for "soul = cakes", though I have "fuzzy memory syndrome" here and honestly couldn't = tell you what or why on that topic. Our Irish-Catholic church & school always hosted parties and = children's parades on Halloween too, we really didn't consider it to = have any religious significance at all, regardless of it's beginnings. = I think over time it just developed into a "fun" holiday. I've lived most of my life here in the states, so I'm not sure = how they choose to celebrate (or not celebrate!) it in Ireland today. = I'd love to know though, if anyone has the inside scoop! =3D) ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01BF250B.097FC660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mabel
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Penny Ladnier
Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 = 10:38=20 PM
Subject: Re: H-COST: Samhain = (OT) (was:=20 Hallowe'en costumes)
>>I saw a very early movie where the kids = we going=20 out on Halloween night, and >>pulling tricks.  I think = the=20 setting was 1900-1910.  Instead of the kids receiving = >>treats,=20 the object was to pull tricks on people that they didn't like in = town. =20 The kids >>threw small bags of flour on the disliked = people. The=20 kids dressed in costume to >>where the victim did not know who = the=20 kids were. Has anyone ever heard of this >>tradition?  = When did=20 kids start getting candy?
 
    I've heard two things about = the=20 "tricks" part.  Nothing involving flour bags, but the = mischief-makers=20 went supposedly went out in costume and caused a ruckus in hopes of = scaring=20 off the spirits that were supposed to be stalking the night, = version=20 two is that they were actually mimicking the spirits--a great = opportunity to=20 pull pranks on the cranky folks in the town and blame it on the = wandering=20 ghosties.
 
    Two stories on the "treats" = part too!=20 Some people would leave offerings of food and drink for the spirits = on their=20 doorsteps, which could have evolved into the modern day trick or=20 treating.....I also remember learning about children going door to = door=20 begging for "soul cakes", though I have "fuzzy memory syndrome" here = and=20 honestly couldn't tell you what or why on that topic.
 
    Our Irish-Catholic church = & school=20 always hosted parties and children's parades on Halloween too, we = really=20 didn't consider it to have any religious significance at all, = regardless of=20 it's beginnings.  I think over time it just developed into a = "fun"=20 holiday.
 
    I've lived most of my life = here in the=20 states, so I'm not sure how they choose to celebrate (or not = celebrate!) it=20 in Ireland today.  I'd love to know though, if anyone has the = inside=20 scoop! = =3D)
------=_NextPart_000_0052_01BF250B.097FC660-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 07:38:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17418 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:38:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17823; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:54:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01937 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:54:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01928 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:54:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.230.155] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11ieO3-0002to-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:54:11 -0800 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:29:05 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Samhain (OT) (was: Hallowe'en costumes) In-Reply-To: <004b01bf24e3$c0008960$e5d1a4d8@e4c2n6> References: <003c01bf24cf$981c87a0$80f4fea9@ouppc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" I don't know about the candy tradition timing, Penny, but my granddad, born in 1896, used to go out disguised when he was a young man [teenager, I think] and they'd put cattle on rooftops or put the buggy in the rootceller by turning it sideways, or whatever other mischief didn't cause real harm to the misliked party, but would inconvenience the ever living daylights out of him/her. Mostly directed at men, however, I got the impression. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 07:38:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17422 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:38:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17824; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:54:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01944 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:54:17 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01939 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:54:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.230.155] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11ieO7-0002to-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:54:15 -0800 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:38:01 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Halloween costumes In-Reply-To: <000e01bf24ec$871d7640$42aca0d1@j9g8x8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 08:41 PM 11/01/1999 -0800, you wrote:-Poster: "Broneske" If anyone is interested in seeing what we did, let me know and I will post them on my web site. Joan--I would love it! Please be sure to post the url with it when you let us know they're up. Thanks ! Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 07:41:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17428 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:41:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA18242; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:57:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02437 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:57:44 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02425 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:57:39 -0700 (MST) From: trekona@erols.com Received: from erols.com (207-172-131-187.s187.tnt4.col.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.131.187]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA28306 for < h-costume@indra.com>; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:02:41 -0500 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com (h-costume) Subject: H-COST: QEWU Date: Tue, 02 Nov 99 14:01:34 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: trekona@erols.com Hello Did the person who was looking for _QE's Wardrobe Unlocked_ ever find a copy? If someone is still looking for it, my catalog from 'Hard-to-Find Needlework Books' just arrived and p24 lists QEWU for $175. If anyone is interested, the stock number is #31302 and Bette Feinstein can be reached at 617/969-0942 or 96 Roundwood Rd Newton MA 02464. I have no idea how many copies she may have of this. -Judy Mitchell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 08:27:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17464 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:27:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22798; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:43:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09552 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:42:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09525 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:42:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JHV5GNKNNK00427X@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:42:33 GMT Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JHV5FLVEEM004MFH@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 14:20:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 2 Nov 99 14:18:32 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44) ; 2 Nov 99 14:18:03 GMT0BST Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.126) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 2 Nov 99 14:17:54 GMT0BST Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 14:17:54 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: H-COST: Halloween in the UK In-reply-to: <199911020541.WAA17866@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <83EAC132956@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 There's not much active participation in Halloween stuff here. It's regarded as another "horrible American import" by a lot of people (sort of like those dreadful "Hallmark" cards, but at least we only get Halloween once a year instead of all year 'round....) Last year a group of us dressed up to go out trick-or-treating, with a difference - we had prepared a cauldron full of packets of sweets to give away to the people we called on. We couldn't get anyone to even open their doors and in the end we had to waylay other groups of trick-or-treaters to give *them* the sweets. There was one fun part to the evening. As we were all getting ready I heard the doorbel ring and as somone answered the door there was a chorus of, "Trick or aaaaaaaaah!" and the sound of running feet. Brian was first to be ready so the only one free to answer the door. His Cthulhu costume was more than the kids at the door could cope with.... *This* year, I was babysitting my godson (or whatever the athiests equivalent of a godson is) Jared. His parents had returned from their rehersal when the doorbell rang. His father groaned "Oh no, bloody trick-or-treaters!" and was just getting up when Jared (aged 3) appeared from another room and opened the front door. "Trick or treat!" Jared slammed the door and walked into the kitchen where we were all sitting. "It was some silly boys and girls at the door!" he proclaimed solumly. His parents rewarded him for such an appropriate way of dealing with them. I don't know if the idea will really take off here. There's too much of that sort of attitude. A few years ago, when I mentioned to a friend from Boston that we'd had some trick-or-treaters to the door and I'd told them that bought masks weren't good enough, they'd need to do a lot better with the costumes to get anything out of me, she told me we'd have ended up with eggs thrown at our windows or toilet-paper festooning garden if I'd done that in the US. My response was that, in my neighbourhood, they'd have run out of eggs and toilet paper before they got half way down the first street. Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 08:50:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17481 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:50:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25939; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:05:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13771 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:04:41 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13753 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:04:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA12704.; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:10:20 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 15:03:18 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 15:02:55 +0000 From: "KATE M BUNTING" To: Subject: H-COST: Re: Hallowe'en costumes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id IAA13763 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" Thanks for all the replies on this topic. Joan Broneske wrote "I thought the traditions came from Britain..." Well, yes. As a child in the 50s and 60s I was aware of the traditions of turnip lanterns, bobbing for apples etc. but it was not something *every* family did *every* year, just a theme for the occasional party - and I had never heard of "trick or treat". Kerrie's explanation is slightly misleading in that All Saints' Day is the day *after* Samhain, not a replacement for it (hence Hallowe'en = All Hallows' Eve). The idea is that the evil spirits have their fling the night before the holy day. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 09:12:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17509 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:12:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29287; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19124 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:27:48 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from spdmgaab.compuserve.com (ds-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.206.135]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19109 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:27:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id KAA17506 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:27:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:25:17 -0500 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Halloween in the UK To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199911021025_MC2-8B5A-8F6C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id IAA19113 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Melanie Wilson >There's not much active participation in Halloween stuff here. It's regarded as another "horrible American import" by a lot of people (sort of like those dreadful "Hallmark" cards, but at least we only get Halloween once a year instead of all year 'round....) Hey it might not be up to much in the smoke but in the sticks it is celebrated and has always been except when they tried to burn celebrants I guess :) We don't trick or treat, but we have parties & apple bob, do apples on strings or biscuits on strings (a more modern thing) coin on flour game, the chop the bar of choc when you throw a six with scarf, hat gloves etc on , dress up & eat !!! Then there are the traditional fortune games involving fires apple pips and nuts & so on. Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 09:14:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17513 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:14:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29577; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:29:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19690 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:29:56 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19684 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:29:55 -0700 (MST) From: Marionetta@aol.com Received: from Marionetta@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6SJHa19941 (3872) for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:29:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.c7e32dd8.25505d4a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:29:14 EST Subject: H-COST: Miller's Bon Marche To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Marionetta@aol.com Sorry to clutter the list with this question but I'm not sure where else to ask. I'm going to Gettysburg this weekend and was wondering if anyone had any idea where Miller's Bon Marche has moved to. The last time I drove thru Gettysburg I noticed that their store on the Main Square was gone. Now I've checked their website and find it no longer exists. Information doesn't seem to be able to find them either. Does anyone know where they've moved to or if they're still in business? Also any other recommendations for costuming in Gettysburg? Thanks. Loren Dearborn marionetta@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 09:21:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17527 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:21:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00947; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:36:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21251 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:36:20 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21239 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:36:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-61-209.s209.tnt1.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.61.209]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13255 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:36:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00d301bf2548$707a4ec0$d13daccf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <83EAC132956@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: H-COST: Halloween in the UK Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:39:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" Hi Teddy, Plan to pack up your costumes and come visit me next Halloween here in the States. You'll have a Great time! Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 10:31:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17615 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:31:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11880; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:46:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09101 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:45:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from Herb-Lore.com (mail.herb-lore.com [209.141.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09088 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:45:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from Flohrschutz [207.204.223.213] by Herb-Lore.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A32E1DD015A; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 09:45:18 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01bf255a$21ded800$d5dfcccf@Flohrschutz> From: "Heather" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST: Misidentified costumes Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:46:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Heather" > I remember being extremely proud of the "Gandalf the Grey" costume I made > when I was 12 years old, but in a long night of trick-or-treating most > people thought (understandably, I now realize) that I was Santa Claus or > Father Time. Only two people guessed correctly, one of whom answered the > door in full plate armor! Katharine, I love it!! Heather _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 10:35:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17619 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:35:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12404; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:50:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10337 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:50:22 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (edtnps04.telusplanet.net [198.161.157.104]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10320 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:50:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from clgrtnt5-port-26.agt.net ([161.184.52.26]:1030 "HELO Freya") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:49:46 -0700 X-Sender: agottfre@pop.telusplanet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: H-COST: Re: Hallowe'en costumes X-Mailer: Message-Id: <19991102164950Z16708-12473+7@smtp1.telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:49:46 -0700 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) _Meet Me in St. Louis_ is a movie which shows old-fashioned Hallowe'en mischief. Here in Calgary, it's highly unusual for a kid to go trick-or-treating without a costume of some sort, even if it's just cross-dressing or a sports uniform. (A standard question is "What are you?", and the kid had better have an answer.) In fact, in all the years I've been handing out treats, I can only remember one costumeless set of kids--they'd just moved from the U.K! Trick-or-treating is for younger kids; kids 12 & over get their candy with a frown, kids over 14 are told they're too old & may or may not get candy. Houses do get egged sometimes! A few people make kids sing a song before they get a treat. When I was a kid in the late 60's, packaged candy was uncommon--instead we often got popcorn balls, cookies, and apples, and instead of yelling "trick-or-treat", we'd call "Hallowe'en apples!" *sigh* Few adults dress up at work on Hallowe'en, with the notable exception of elementary school teachers & staff. Most decorations are pretty modest (cardboard cutouts & jack-o-lanterns), but some folks do go all-out. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 12:00:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17770 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:00:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27338; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:14:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04986 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:12:19 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04976 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:12:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.199.32] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11iiPn-0004bs-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:12:16 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991102012642.00b6f3c0@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 01:29:14 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: H-COST: old Vampire movie costume In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19991101221605.00ba36c0@pop.slip.net> <4.1.19991130020636.00b04be0@pop.slip.net> <4.1.19991101221605.00ba36c0@pop.slip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >My favorite vampire movie is the 1922 silent film "Nosferatu" by F.W. >Murnau. I think it has the creepiest vampire. Doesn't contain any of >the typical American vampire cliches. Interresting that these two were made so close to each other, one in '22 and the other in '31. Now I'm going to have to watch the earlier one for costumes, as I have a copy of that too. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 12:25:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17812 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:25:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01451; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12015 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:37:36 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from gigi.excite.com ([199.172.152.110]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12003 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:37:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.excite.com ([199.172.152.79]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991102183702.HUMD9301.gigi.excite.com@flash.excite.com> for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:37:02 -0800 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Samhain (OT) (was: Hallowe'en costumes) Message-Id: <941567821.17185.739@excite.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 10:37:01 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "StitchWitch" > > I don't know about the candy tradition timing, Penny, but my > granddad, born in 1896, used to go out disguised when he was a young man > [teenager, I think] and they'd put cattle on rooftops or put the buggy in > the rootceller by turning it sideways, or whatever other mischief didn't > cause real harm to the misliked party, but would inconvenience the ever > living daylights out of him/her. Mostly directed at men, however, I got > the impression. Carol This reminds me of the tales my Father would tell, when he was a teen in Kansas in the early '50's. One of the favorite 'tricks' was to tip over the outhouse that a local farmer used. The best was when the farmer decided to wait in the outhouse for the tricksters, with the thought of scaring the begeebers out of them. Well, my Dad and his friends saw this fellow hide out in the outhouse, so they did what any young prankster would do, and tipped the outhouse over onto it's door. The farmer was trapped inside, until the next morning, when a neighbor came by and got him out. There was fitting revenge the next year, though. The same group of guys came to do the traditional deed, but there was a twist. The fellow in the lead found out that the farmer had moved the outhouse. Can you say *SPLASH!*? Kate ---- StitchWitch A learned bastard takes precedence over an ignorant high priest. - The Talmud, 5th Cen. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 12:55:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17857 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:54:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06442; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:09:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20137 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:07:20 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20120 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:07:18 -0700 (MST) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6MNEa02561 (4414) for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:06:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.bc1e6c47.25509043@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:06:43 EST Subject: H-COST: hallowe'en To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com Hallowe'en is the night before (or the vigil of) All Saints Day, November 1. All Souls Day is November 2 (today). It's true that the Catholic Church did move All Saints Day from spring to November 1 because of a pagan holiday. However, I'm not aware of Hallowe'en ever having any religious meaning. I'm Catholic too, and it certainly doesn't today. In fact, the Church (at least in America) encourages everyone to give it some meaning by celebrating All Saints Day and All Souls Day. I've gotten a couple of "Catholic Update" newsletters about it. In the US, you Brits and Europeans may be interested to know, this most secular of holidays is being attacked right and left by Fundamentalists, who insist that its pagan roots are really evil and that it's "Satan's holiday," etc., etc., etc. My sister is a teacher in a public school that had to eliminate all Halloween activities because of some nutsy (my opinion!) parents. Lots of fundamentalist churches have "harvest festivals" to keep the kids off the streets with Satan. I have given up trying to explain that if Halloween ever had religious significance, the idea was to SCARE AWAY the evil spirits, not worship them! That's the USA for you, full of all kinds :-) My daughter got a tract against Halloween with her candy this year -- some fundamentalist houses give them out with candy, hoping to convert the wretched Satan worshippers who come by. Well, at least they give out candy! I don't get the whole furor, but I do wish we could get away from "haunted houses" featuring serial killers and kids dressed up like murderers. Teddy, I enjoyed your Halloween diatribe. You folks in the UK have enough weird celebrations, you don't need ours too. Gail _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 13:08:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17904 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:08:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08443; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:22:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23629 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:20:36 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23602; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:20:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ijTp-000Fdp-0A; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:20:30 +0000 Message-ID: <5IKa9CAukzH4IwPz@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:19:10 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: H-COST: Halloween in the UK In-Reply-To: <199911021025_MC2-8B5A-8F6C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Jean Waddie In message <199911021025_MC2-8B5A-8F6C@compuserve.com>, Melanie Wilson writes > >-Poster: Melanie Wilson > >>There's not much active participation in Halloween stuff here. It's >regarded as another "horrible American import" by a lot of people >(sort of like those dreadful "Hallmark" cards, but at least we only >get Halloween once a year instead of all year 'round....) > >Hey it might not be up to much in the smoke but in the sticks it is >celebrated and has always been except when they tried to burn celebrants I >guess :) > > >We don't trick or treat, but we have parties & apple bob, do apples on >strings or biscuits on strings (a more modern thing) coin on flour game, >the chop the bar of choc when you throw a six with scarf, hat gloves etc on >, dress up & eat !!! > >Then there are the traditional fortune games involving fires apple pips and >nuts & so on. > >Mel I think a lot of groups have Halloween parties, and as Mel says there's lots of games traditional to Halloween, but there's not really trick-or- treat, and people dress up to go to parties, but not just generally in the street - and certainly not to work! And they dress as witches or ghosts or cats, etc, not just the free-for-all fancy dress which seems to go in the US. In Scotland there's the tradition of "guising", which has got sort of mixed between Halloween and Guy Fawkes, I think - children dress up in scary costumes and go round with a Guy on a cart (or "guider") asking for money (originally to buy fireworks, but probably nowadays they can only spend it on sweets) Jean -- Jean Waddie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 13:11:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17916 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:11:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08835; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:25:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24412 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:24:03 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24395 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:24:00 -0700 (MST) From: SAQUEEN@aol.com Received: from SAQUEEN@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6CBBJT7JD_ (4402) for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:23:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.ce7d75c5.25509429@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:23:21 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Miller's Bon Marche To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com Loren, Check with Cricket Bauer at Gadsby's Tavern Museum in Alexandria for Miller Bon Marche new location plus interesting costuming in Gettysburg. She did 19th century custom tailoring until lured back into the museum world. Sally Calendar 2000: Historic Fashions Turning the Centuries http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 13:29:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17960 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:29:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11828; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:43:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29487 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:42:11 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailjay.creighton.edu (mailjay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.126]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29464 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:42:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from brujne.creighton.edu ([147.134.201.104] (may be forged)) by mailjay.creighton.edu (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA22812 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:42:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199911021942.NAA22812@mailjay.creighton.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Cindy Abel" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:41:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: H-COST: Re: Kristina Harris book/Dover address needed Priority: normal In-reply-to: <5IKa9CAukzH4IwPz@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> References: <199911021025_MC2-8B5A-8F6C@compuserve.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Cindy Abel" Dover Publications should shortly release "Authentic Victorian Fashion Patterns" I'd like Dover's address to request a catalog since I'd like to order directly through them rather than advance order through bn.com or amazon.com. Can anyone on this list supply me with Dover's address? Many thanks _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 13:39:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17993 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:39:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13313; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:54:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02383 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:52:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from deliverator.io.com (root@deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02365 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:52:18 -0700 (MST) From: ches@io.com Received: from eris.io.com (IDENT:ches@eris.io.com [199.170.88.11]) by deliverator.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18044 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:52:14 -0600 Received: from localhost (ches@localhost) by eris.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA06427 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:52:14 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: eris.io.com: ches owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:52:14 -0600 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Kristina Harris book/Dover address needed In-Reply-To: <199911021942.NAA22812@mailjay.creighton.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: ches@io.com Dover Publications 31 E 2ND ST. MINEOLA, NY 11501 Tel: 516-294-7000 Fax: 5167425049 Sincerely, F. Havas ches@io.com On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Cindy Abel wrote: > Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:41:46 +0000 > From: Cindy Abel > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: H-COST: Re: Kristina Harris book/Dover address needed > > > -Poster: "Cindy Abel" > > Dover Publications should shortly release "Authentic Victorian > Fashion Patterns" I'd like Dover's address to request a catalog > since I'd like to order directly through them rather than advance > order through bn.com or amazon.com. > > Can anyone on this list supply me with Dover's address? > > Many thanks > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 13:48:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18039 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:48:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15231; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:03:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04846 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:02:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04798 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:02:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from mediaone.net ([24.218.162.2]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA21382 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:02:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <381F434C.E73292C0@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 15:02:20 -0500 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Kristina Harris book/Dover address needed References: <199911021025_MC2-8B5A-8F6C@compuserve.com> <199911021942.NAA22812@mailjay.creighton.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Janice Dallas Dover Publications, Inc. 31 East 2nd Street Mineola,NY 11501-3582 They have a free catalog. I julst got the Christmas one. "Authentic Victorian Fashion Patterns, A Complete Lady's Wardrobe" is #40721-7, a paperback, at $11.95. Kristina Harris is the kEditor -- Janice Dallas JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 13:52:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18079 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:52:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15826; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:06:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05504 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:05:09 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us [209.129.16.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05490 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:05:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us (ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us [10.1.100.1]) by intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA06944 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:28:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:07:03 -0800 Message-ID: From: Heidi Fox To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:44:11 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:06:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Heidi Fox Thanks, Carolyn! I will certainly have to check those out next year! -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Richardson [mailto:benrumson@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 9:38 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:44:11 -0800 -Poster: Carolyn Richardson Heidi Fox wrote: > > -Poster: Heidi Fox > > I am unbelievably envious of all of your Halloween activities and > costume-friendly events! And your costumes sound divine! I was so > disappointed in my Halloween weekend this year...I hope someone will tell me > I'm dead wrong on this one, but San Diego is just not a costume town! Heidi, you need to come north to West Hollywood's Halloween bash - I've been several years and it's a real blast. The LA Art Deco Society also did their Hollywood Cemetary tour again, which I would have liked to go on but couldn't make this year. Maybe next. Carolyn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 13:53:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18093 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:53:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16054; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:08:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05947 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:06:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05933 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:06:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from mediaone.net ([24.218.162.2]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA22641 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:06:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <381F445C.74DCAD6C@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 15:06:52 -0500 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: another Dover pattern book References: <0.38ddaef7.254fbff8@aol.com> <00d601bf24ee$ed945180$e5d1a4d8@e4c2n6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Janice Dallas By the way, Kristina Harris has another pattern book on Dover. It's called "59 Authentic Turn-of-the-century Fashion Patterns" and is #28357-7, a $10.95 paperback. -- Janice Dallas JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 13:54:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18097 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:54:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16288; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:09:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06132 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:07:49 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us [209.129.16.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06062 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:07:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us (ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us [10.1.100.1]) by intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA06994 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:30:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:09:24 -0800 Message-ID: From: Heidi Fox To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:44:11 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:09:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Heidi Fox Hi Kayta, Yup, we drove through Hillcrest, and their Nightmare on Normal Street was closing down at 11:30... There were a few stragglers but we'll have to get there earlier next time. Heidi -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows [mailto:kayta@slip.net] Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 10:06 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:44:11 -0800 -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows The same was true when we drove through one of the more >"flambuoyant" areas of town; I hope you tried Hillcrest. The costumes ought to have been spectacular there. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 14:06:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18108 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:06:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18914; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:21:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09117 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:19:22 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us [209.129.16.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09070 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:19:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us (ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us [10.1.100.1]) by intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA07633; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:20:55 -0800 Message-ID: From: Heidi Fox To: "'Julie Adams'" Cc: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: RE: ICG Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:20:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Heidi Fox Hi Julie, I too am mainly interested in historical costuming, though I like the occasional fantasy event (my H'ween costume was a mermaid). I am a member of the Bay Area Guild and love their ideas, and want to get more events like that going down here (I can't afford to fly up north for all of those events!) I would like to get more members involved who like the historical aspect of costuming. We are having a gathering on Saturday, November 13th at the Pannikin (formerly the Javabar) on Adams Ave. If you'd like to come, e-mail me for more info! Heidi -----Original Message----- From: Julie Adams [mailto:savaskan@sd.znet.com] Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 10:49 PM To: Heidi Fox Subject: ICG > I've >been trying for several months to recruit people for the San Diego >sub-chapter of the ICG and have not gotten an single response. I might be interested. I was an ICG member for many years, but the LA crowd wasn't doing anything I found particularly interesting and I let my membership lapse. I am only interested in historical costume. Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 14:12:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18128 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:12:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20106; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:26:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10418 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:24:25 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10405 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:24:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from best.com (lavolta.vip.best.com [206.86.95.234]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id MAA06622 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:22:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <381F48BC.A5662BC8@best.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 12:25:32 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: another Dover pattern book References: <0.38ddaef7.254fbff8@aol.com> <00d601bf24ee$ed945180$e5d1a4d8@e4c2n6> <381F445C.74DCAD6C@mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lavolta Press Janice Dallas wrote: > -Poster: Janice Dallas > > By the way, Kristina Harris has another pattern book on Dover. It's > called "59 Authentic Turn-of-the-century Fashion Patterns" and is > #28357-7, a $10.95 paperback. We also published a pattern book from _The Voice of Fashion_ magazines, which covers the years 1900 through 1906. The title is _The Voice of Fashion: 79 Turn-of-the-Century Patterns with Instructions and Fashion Plates_. This book is 463 pages and includes the original rulers used for drafting the patterns (the measurements on all the _Voice of Fashion_ magazine patterns belong to these rulers; they are not inch measures). We also published a companion title _The Edwardian Modiste_, covering the years 1905 though 1909, which contains rulers for a similar system. Fran Grimble --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.best.com/~lavolta/index.htm Historic and vintage dance http://www.best.com/~lavolta/dance/index.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 14:21:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18181 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:21:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21578; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:36:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12977 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:34:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tn.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12960 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:34:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by news.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991102203452.GCRW25390.news.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:34:52 -0800 Message-ID: <381F4A46.A1FFF6C@home.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 14:32:06 -0600 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: hallowe'en References: <0.bc1e6c47.25509043@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Kat & Kent I must say that, as a pagan, I find it *vastly* amusing that the fundamental churches are holding harvest festivals... especially since for many of us Samhaine is the last of the three harvest festivals! I hope that Halloween continues in Nashville as it is currently because I like being able to wear costumes for so many days... especially since we stopped doing SCA. Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 14:30:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18216 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:30:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22994; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:44:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15105 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:43:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.mi.verio.com (mail.mi.verio.com [209.69.6.110]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15087 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:43:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from rust.net (69-121.pop.sh.mi.verio.com [209.69.69.121]) by mail.mi.verio.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01764 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:42:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <381F4D60.4E89E75D@rust.net> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 15:45:20 -0500 From: Bill and/or Glenna Jo Christen Organization: The Curiosity Shop X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume Subject: H-COST: Miller's Bon Marche Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Bill and/or Glenna Jo Christen - -Poster: Marionetta@aol.com > ...I'm going to Gettysburg this weekend and was wondering if anyone had > any idea where Miller's Bon Marche has moved to.... Beth Miller, the owner of Bon Marche closed her storefront a while back. She is still doing custom sewing as far as I know, but found it too costly for the return to maintain a storefront as well. Also any other recommendations for costuming in Gettysburg? I'm afraid it is easier to tell you who to avoid in Gettysburg than to say who is good. :-( The most popular shops are generally the ones to avoid if you care at all about historic accuracy. As you were asking about Beth Miller I suspect accuracy is important to you. There are a few new shops reportedly opening up there who *claim* to be very accurate, but talk is cheap. :-( I would be very afraid of any shop that stocks a lot of read to wear period clothing. Women's clothing of the 1860's was custom made to the wearer and off the rack just doesn't cut it for accuracy unless you are one of those rare women who is built exactly like the patterns... BTW, I assume you're coming for Remembrance Day. If you are, contact me off the list for details about a Sat. AM brunch for those on the cw-reenactors list serve. We welcome new and potential list members as well. Glenna Jo Christen gwjchris@rust.net Visit our web site, "The Curiosity Shop" http://www.rust.net/~gwjchris/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 14:58:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18304 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:58:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27172; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:14:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22641 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:12:19 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22625 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:12:17 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6NMKAFb87_ (4599) for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:11:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.35bacaa1.2550ad90@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:11:44 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: old Vampire movie costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 40 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 11/02/1999 1:18:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, kayta@slip.net writes: << Interresting that these two were made so close to each other, one in '22 and the other in '31. Now I'm going to have to watch the earlier one for costumes, as I have a copy of that too. >> There is a 70s? [80s?] version based on "Nosferatu" and also called that. A German film [whose director's name has slipped my mind]. It is a little slow but beautifully costumed if I remember correctly. 1830-ish? [it's been a while since I saw it]. Anyway, it's on video now and worth seeing. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 15:42:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18362 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:42:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04267; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:55:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03848 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:54:49 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03820; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:54:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from bragg (bragg [129.127.36.34]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id IAA06565; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:24:39 +1030 (CST) Received: by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA09399; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:24:39 +1030 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:24:39 +1030 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@bragg To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: hallowe'en In-Reply-To: <0.bc1e6c47.25509043@aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 Gaelscot@aol.com wrote: > > In the US, you Brits and Europeans may be interested to know, this most > secular of holidays is being attacked right and left by Fundamentalists, who > insist that its pagan roots are really evil and that it's "Satan's holiday," > etc., etc., etc. My sister is a teacher in a public school that had to > eliminate all Halloween activities because of some nutsy (my opinion!) > parents. Lots of fundamentalist churches have "harvest festivals" to keep the > kids off the streets with Satan. I have given up trying to explain that if When I was a kiddie our Catholic Church in England had a harvest festival already, albeit earlier in the year. Everyone would bring fruit, veggies or other produce to the church and after mass it was sold to raise money for the church. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 15:55:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18402 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:55:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06022; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:06:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06707 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:06:05 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06421 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [166.70.12.189] (helo=[166.70.12.189]) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11im2y-0006Gd-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:04:57 -0700 X-Sender: Francesca.da.Bari@pop.netaddress.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <381F4A46.A1FFF6C@home.com> References: <0.bc1e6c47.25509043@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:17:12 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Karalee Larsen Pugmire Subject: Re: H-COST: hallowe'en Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Karalee Larsen Pugmire >-Poster: Kat & Kent > >I must say that, as a pagan, I find it *vastly* amusing that the >fundamental churches are holding harvest festivals... especially since >for many of us Samhaine is the last of the three harvest festivals! > I hope that Halloween continues in Nashville as it is currently >because I like being able to wear costumes for so many days... >especially since we stopped doing SCA. > >Kat Not being pagan myself I didn't think I should say anything. But my pagan friends have been laughing at this fundamental wierdness for years, too. Luckily for me there aren't many of these types where I live so we've had a fun holliday and my high functioning autistic daughter finally got it this year and had a great time screaming Trick or Treat. It's taken her three years. She loves dressing up too so this holliday was particularly exciting for her. Francesca da Bari Cote du Ciel (Logan, Utah) Francesca.da.Bari _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 15:58:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18410 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:58:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06865; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:13:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08714 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:13:31 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tn.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08701 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:13:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by news.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991102221324.HNJD25390.news.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:13:24 -0800 Message-ID: <381F615D.EAFB2776@home.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 16:10:37 -0600 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: hallowe'en References: <0.bc1e6c47.25509043@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Kat & Kent Karalee Larsen Pugmire wrote: > > Not being pagan myself I didn't think I should say anything. But my > pagan friends have been laughing at this fundamental wierdness for > years, too. For me, it's not that they're weird... but that to get rid of celebrating a 'pagan' holiday, they substitute another pagan holiday. > Luckily for me there aren't many of these types where I live so we've > had a fun holliday and my high functioning autistic daughter finally > got it this year and had a great time screaming Trick or Treat. It's > taken her three years. She loves dressing up too so this holliday was > particularly exciting for her. That's wonderful!!! What did she wear? Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 16:47:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18536 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:47:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12916; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:58:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26707 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:58:34 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from spdmgaac.compuserve.com (ds-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.206.136]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26696 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:58:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id RAA28841 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:58:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:56:37 -0500 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Halloween UK To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199911021757_MC2-8B6B-B5CC@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id PAA26699 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Melanie Wilson >In Scotland there's the tradition of "guising", which has got sort of mixed between Halloween and Guy Fawkes, I think - children dress up in scary costumes and go round with a Guy on a cart (or "guider") asking for money (originally to buy fireworks, but probably nowadays they can only spend it on sweets) Guising, was far more common than just Scotland & the youth of the area took part, it was quite rowdy in that laws were from time to time passed against it ! Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 17:16:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18666 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:16:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17491; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11181 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:31:46 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11103 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:31:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from [208.225.99.231] (ppp231.creative.net [208.225.99.231]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11050 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:38:21 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lilinah@mail.grin.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.35bacaa1.2550ad90@aol.com> References: <0.35bacaa1.2550ad90@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:38:22 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lilinah biti-Anat Subject: Re: H-COST: old Vampire movie costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lilinah biti-Anat >-Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > >In a message dated 11/02/1999 1:18:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, >kayta@slip.net writes: > >Interresting that these two were made so close to each other, one in '22 > > and the other in '31. Now I'm going to have to watch the earlier one for > > costumes, as I have a copy of that too. > >There is a 70s? [80s?] version based on "Nosferatu" and also called that. A >German film [whose director's name has slipped my mind]. It is a little slow >but beautifully costumed if I remember correctly. 1830-ish? [it's been a >while since I saw it]. Anyway, it's on video now and worth seeing. I mentioned it in my first post, in one of the old Halloween costume threads. OK, to dredge it up, here's what i said, in case anyone else missed it and is curious... quoting myself: My favorite vampire movie is the 1922 silent film "Nosferatu" by F.W. Murnau. I think it has the creepiest vampire. Doesn't contain any of the typical American vampire cliches. Werner Herzog "remade" it in 1979 starring Klaus Kinski as the vampire, and Isabelle Adjani (i'd follow her anywhere :-). Herzog followed the original very closely - although there was speaking (but not a whole lot) and it was in color - but i still prefer the silent original. It's also great with the music composed for it by the Club Foot Orchestra, as they have for "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari" and "Metropolis", a couple more of my favorite movies. (i've never seen "Vampyr" the 1931 Carl-Theodor Dreyer film... anyone?) (and i still have a soft spot (or is that two soft spots side by side on my neck) for the Bela Lugosi Dracula) Lilinah ok, so it's not a costume topic (end quote of myself) And i'm still curious about Dreyer's film - if anyone has seen it, comments, please? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 19:36:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18902 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:36:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06606; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:51:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11543 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:48:51 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f142.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.142]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11530 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:48:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 72145 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1999 01:48:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19991103014819.72143.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.248.210.246 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:48:19 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.248.210.246] From: "christianna del Oro" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: please help! Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:48:19 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "christianna del Oro" hi i really need some help with these questions. i would appericate any help i can get thanks > > first anyone know any good online sources for italian ren >patterns? > i had a overdress that just tied ( one ribbon tie) in front to hold it >closed it had 2 or 3 part sleeves chained to it.it had a relativly short >bodice ending around the bottom of the breasts and it had a full pleated >bottom. It looked like it would be relativly easy too make i can't get a >hold of the person who loaned it too me for lender garb, and i have been >told it has since disapeared from sight. i would really like to get the >pattern or source for it. > > > second i need tips on making a dove gray very soft suede jacket into >a >womens bodice? i guess i'll have use rivets for the holes > > third does anyone know what happened to the sca site at kumc.edu >???? > and fourth i have a box of giest sewing aids i think # 4 or 6 i need instructions for them or a web site for instructions THANKS!!!!!! > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 2 19:53:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18917 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:53:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08626; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:09:39 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14412 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:07:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14394 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:07:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from agnes (BayArea56k550.NetWiz.Net [208.164.208.150]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA01103 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:07:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <381F98C4.4869@netwiz.net> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 18:07:00 -0800 From: Susan Fatemi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: hallowe'en References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Susan Fatemi The Purple Elephant wrote: > > -Poster: The Purple Elephant > > On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 Gaelscot@aol.com wrote: > > > > > In the US, you Brits and Europeans may be interested to know, this most > > secular of holidays is being attacked right and left by Fundamentalists, who > > insist that its pagan roots are really evil and that it's "Satan's holiday," > > etc., etc., etc. My sister is a teacher in a public school that had to > > eliminate all Halloween activities because of some nutsy (my opinion!) > > parents. Lots of fundamentalist churches have "harvest festivals" to keep the Witches weren't Satan worshippers anyway. Some people are just wet blankets. (When I was a kid I resented the fact that we had to get up and go to Mass the next morning. Before school!) It's a bit early for harvest here, it was about 80 degrees on Sunday so we burned the sacrificial meat. And the tomatoes are doing very nicely thank you! (after a cold weird summer) Nothing to do with costume, just compelled to chime in. Susan F. -- Oh Noh! Kimonos! susanf@netwiz.net http://www.netwiz.net/~susanf _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 02:23:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02836 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:23:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09647; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 01:40:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28081 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 01:37:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (mta4.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.142]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28075 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 01:37:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from pacbell.net ([206.170.70.89]) by mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKM002DQ59JYI@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:36:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 00:37:48 +0000 From: Dietmar Subject: H-COST: Re: Hallowe'en costumes To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <381F83D9.D97B117F@pacbell.net> Organization: Completely Disorganized MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Dietmar Greetings, Kate wrote: > Kerrie's explanation is slightly misleading in that All Saints' Day is the > day *after* Samhain, not a replacement for it (hence Hallowe'en = All Hallows' > Eve). The idea is that the evil spirits have their fling the night before > the holy day. Well, not exactly. Once upon a time, the day started at sundown. (It still does for those of the Jewish faith.) Thus, All Hallow's Eve was the evening portion of All Hallow's (or All Saints') which continued until the next sundown. This also explains Christmas Eve being the night before Christmas and New Year's Eve being the night before the new year begins. Regards, Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 02:34:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11384 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:34:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10079; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 01:51:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29015 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 01:49:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (mta4.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.142]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29008 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 01:49:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from pacbell.net ([206.170.70.89]) by mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKM002TR5SSYI@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:49:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 00:49:24 +0000 From: Dietmar Subject: H-COST: Re: Hallowe'en To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <381F8690.4C8AF648@pacbell.net> Organization: Completely Disorganized MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <0.bc1e6c47.25509043@aol.com> <381F4A46.A1FFF6C@home.com> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Dietmar Greetings, Kat wrote: > I must say that, as a pagan, I find it *vastly* amusing that the fundamental > churches are holding harvest festivals... especially since for many of us > Samhaine is the last of the three harvest festivals! Around here there is a big born-again revival meeting at the local baseball stadium in mid July. They have the nerve to call it "Harvest Crusade", which really bothers me when I see the bumper stickers all over town. I'm thinking of printing bumper stickers with nice Arabic script and the words "Autumn Jihad". ;-) Regards, Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 02:57:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23019 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:57:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12081; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:15:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00964 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:13:32 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00958 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:13:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA06390.; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:19:13 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:12:10 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:11:57 +0000 From: "KATE M BUNTING" To: Subject: H-COST: Harvest Festival (OT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id CAA00959 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" I don't know any fundamentalists, but here in England most mainstream churches hold a harvest festival one Sunday in September. The tradition only goes back to Victorian times, but it has no connection with Hallowe'en that I've ever heard of. What's weird about wanting to thank God for our food? Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 03:11:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23040 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 03:11:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12832; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:28:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01960 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:27:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01953 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:27:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from pacbell.net ([206.170.70.89]) by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKM00BTL7KWSQ@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 01:26:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 01:27:52 +0000 From: Dietmar Subject: H-COST: Re: Harvest Festival (OT) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <381F8F93.3576D2F@pacbell.net> Organization: Completely Disorganized MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Dietmar Greetings, Kate wrote: > I don't know any fundamentalists, but here in England most mainstream churches > hold a harvest festival one Sunday in September. The tradition only goes back > to Victorian times, but it has no connection with Hallowe'en that I've ever > heard of. What's weird about wanting to thank God for our food? I don't object to a harvest festival, but this one is held in mid-July. (Hardly the time of harvest.) What bothers me is calling it a Crusade without being sensitive to the facts of what a crusade really means. Or is the medievalist in me just over-reacting? Regards, Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 05:29:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23275 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:29:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA17669; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 04:45:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07792 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 04:43:23 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA07779 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 04:43:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JHWE8QQB0W0042TF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:42:58 GMT Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JHWE4KL4QU00430B@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:39:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 3 Nov 99 11:37:42 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44) ; 3 Nov 99 11:37:31 GMT0BST Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.126) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 3 Nov 99 11:37:30 GMT0BST Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:37:30 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: Re: H-COST: Halloween in the UK In-reply-to: <199911030208.TAA14679@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <853FFC87E61@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 Well, I have no objection to something catching on that allows for more opportunities for wearing costume/costuming. My concerns over the Trick-or-treat thing are mainly to do with it being *partly* adopted. I've experienced gangs of 14 ir 15 year olds, some with a bit of make up or a cheap plastic mask, turning up on the doorstep "trick- or-treating" Most households (certainly in areas where I've lived) don't *expect* it and probably haven't given it enough thought to plan having sweets available to give out. These kids seem to be relying on that, and the fact that some people will be foolish enough to give them money instead of sending them away empty handed. Some people (particularly old people and those living alone) can find a group of teenagers "begging" at the door very intimidating. A lot of pensioners couldn't afford to buy sweets to give out, let alone hand out cash at the door and some are soft-hearted enough to think that they *ought* to. If it was under twelves, accompanied by a "responsible" adult or older teenager to see they didn't bother anyone inappropriate, then I'd have no objections, but it's not something we have the background of experience of. Halloween themed parties and the activities that go with them have been around for years (more common in some areas than others, but they've been happening) but this incomplete trickling in of the American Trick-or-treat thing... I dunno, but it's not well received among a lot of the people I know and seems more likely to get the reaction of not answering the door, or making sure that you aren't at home, if anyone bothers to plan for it at all. Goodness, where *did* that soap-box come from?! Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 05:56:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23295 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:56:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA19105; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:09:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09533 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:08:05 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA09526 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JHWCSXHMSW004AWS@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:07:58 GMT Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JHWDJW8EBU004QTT@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:23:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 3 Nov 99 11:21:49 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44) ; 3 Nov 99 11:21:44 GMT0BST Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.126) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 3 Nov 99 11:21:39 GMT0BST Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:21:39 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: Re: H-COST: Halloween in the UK In-reply-to: <199911022006.NAA05846@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <853BC7947C1@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 Hi Penny > Hi Teddy, > > Plan to pack up your costumes and come visit me next Halloween here in > the States. You'll have a Great time! > > Later... Penny Thansk for the invite! Don't I just wish I could afford to come over to the US again. This year we scraped together enough to go for a lonf weekend in Sweden to visit friends there (Tomorow lunchtime until Tuesday) but that's a short and (relatively) inexpensive journey. Tom wants us to try for Costume Con 2000, but I have my doubts about being able to afford travel, let alone accomodation as well. Especially as we are currently (at last) applying for planning permission to build the extension to the house so we can have a sewing room and fabric/costume store-room. If permission is granted the work will be taking place around March/April and it's going to be *expensive*... travel might be right out for several years. We've already had to drop the plans for remodelling the kitchen and bathroom until we see how much the final bill for the building work will be. Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 07:41:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23452 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:41:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA26058; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:58:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20029 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:57:51 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20018 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:57:49 -0700 (MST) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6BPHa01794 (4466) for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:57:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.d0cba1a4.25519938@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:57:12 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Hallowe'en To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbraKat@aol.com Tee Hee! "Autumn Jihad". Very clever Deitmar.You print them up--and I'll want one. albra _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 07:41:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23456 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:41:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA26169; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:59:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20229 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:59:21 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tn.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20222 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:59:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by news.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991103135917.QZVG25390.news.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:59:17 -0800 Message-ID: <38203F04.6F862513@home.com> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 07:56:20 -0600 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Harvest Festival (OT) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Kat & Kent KATE M BUNTING wrote: > > I don't know any fundamentalists, but here in England most mainstream > churches hold a harvest festival one Sunday in September. The > tradition only goes back to Victorian times, but it has no connection > with Hallowe'en that I've ever heard of. What's weird about wanting to > thank God for our food? Absolutely nothing... I thank the Gods for my food at least four times a year (Lammas, Mabon, Samhaine & Thanksgiving). What I find odd is that they are claiming that Halloween is a pagan ritual (in their eyes, "of the devil") and turning around to adopt *another* pagan ritual. I know of no traditional American Harvest Festivals other than Thanksgiving (in November). Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 08:01:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23477 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:01:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27948; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:19:13 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA23104 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:18:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from snip.net (mail.snip.net [209.204.64.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23092 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:18:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from ouppc [209.204.81.209] by snip.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A31B5980092; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:13:47 -0500 Message-ID: <014201bf2606$78729e20$80f4fea9@ouppc> From: "Vince Lyons" To: Subject: H-COST: Humour! Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:19:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013F_01BF25DC.8E347AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Vince Lyons" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013F_01BF25DC.8E347AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MabelHi Everyone! This posting may be slightly ot, but I hope you'll all forgive me! This = arrived in my mail today and I immediately thought of some of the folks = here. ;-) Hope it gives you a smile for the day. --Kerrie 14 Great Reasons To Buy More Fabric! >=20 > 1. Because I'm worth it! >=20 > 2. It insulates the closet where it is kept. >=20 > 3. It helps keep the economy going. >=20 > 4. It is less expensive and more fun than psychiatric care. >=20 > 5. Because it is on sale. >=20 > 6. The one with the most fabric wins! >=20 > 7. It keeps without refrigeration, you don't cook it, feed it, change = it, > wipe it or walk it. >=20 > 8. You need extra weight for traction in winter. This is very = important. >=20 > 9. Because I'm worth it! >=20 > 10. It protects empty spaces like the ironing board, laundry hamper = and > dining room table. >=20 > 11. Stress from dealing with the fabric control officer [my husband] = made me > do it. >=20 > 12. It is not illegal or fattening. >=20 > 13. Buy it before your husband retires, and goes with you when you = shop. >=20 > 14. Because I'm worth it! >=20 > I hope this offends no one...let me tell you why it is funny to = me...Nana > just sent 22 bolts of fabric up here and she has at least 50 more to > send...she has 2 cabinets with lace by the bolt and a triple closet = with > yard goods....now she hardly sews and just ordered more....so John = uses > humor with her and he loved this~! >=20 > "A woman was near death and insisted that she be buried with her = fabric > stash. Her kids thought she was crazy but they complied and the = lady's > coffin was filled with her most favorite fabrics. After she passed = on, she > found herself in a beautiful, mystical place, and was surrounded by = other > women. Each one was at a sewing table admiring bolts of beautiful = fabric. > As far as the eye could see, beautiful bolts of fabric. Overjoyed, = the > woman approached a lady at one of the sewing tables, who was admiring = a > gorgeous silk. She said--"This is a beautiful place, it must be = heaven!!" > The lady seated at the table replied-- "No, this is hell, there aren't = any > scissors." ------=_NextPart_000_013F_01BF25DC.8E347AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mabel
Hi Everyone!
This posting may be slightly ot, but I hope = you'll all=20 forgive me!  This arrived in my mail today and I immediately = thought of=20 some of the folks here. ;-)
 
Hope it gives you a smile for the day.
--Kerrie

14 Great Reasons To Buy More Fabric!
>
> 1. Because = I'm worth=20 it!
>
> 2. It insulates the closet where it is = kept.
>=20
> 3. It helps keep the economy going.
>
> 4. It is = less=20 expensive and more fun than psychiatric care.
>
> 5. = Because it is=20 on sale.
>
> 6. The one with the most fabric wins!
> =
>=20 7. It keeps without refrigeration, you don't cook it, feed it, change=20 it,
> wipe it or walk it.
>
> 8. You need extra = weight for=20 traction in winter.  This is very important.
>
> 9. = Because=20 I'm worth it!
>
> 10. It protects empty spaces like the = ironing=20 board, laundry hamper and
> dining room table.
>
> = 11. Stress=20 from dealing with the fabric control officer [my husband] made = me
> do=20 it.
>
> 12. It is not illegal or fattening.
> =
> 13.=20 Buy it before your husband retires, and goes with you when you = shop.
>=20
> 14. Because I'm worth it!
>
>   I hope = this=20 offends no one...let me tell you why it is funny to me...Nana
> = just sent=20 22 bolts of fabric up here and she has at least 50 more to
> = send...she=20 has 2 cabinets with lace by the bolt and a triple closet with
> = yard=20 goods....now she hardly sews and just ordered more....so John = uses
> humor=20 with her and he loved this~!
>
> "A woman was near death = and=20 insisted that she be buried with her fabric
> stash.  Her = kids=20 thought she was crazy but they complied and the lady's
> coffin = was filled=20 with her most favorite fabrics.  After she passed on, she
> = found=20 herself in a beautiful, mystical place, and was surrounded by = other
>=20 women.  Each one was at a sewing table admiring bolts of beautiful=20 fabric.
> As far as the eye could see, beautiful bolts of = fabric. =20 Overjoyed, the
> woman approached a lady at one of the sewing = tables, who=20 was admiring a
> gorgeous silk.  She said--"This is a = beautiful=20 place, it must be heaven!!"
> The lady seated at the table = replied-- "No,=20 this is hell, there aren't any
> scissors."

 
------=_NextPart_000_013F_01BF25DC.8E347AA0-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 08:22:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23508 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:22:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29826; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:39:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26354 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:39:42 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26341 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:39:40 -0700 (MST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6OGGa26723 (4197) for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:39:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.2f3b572f.2551a30a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:39:06 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Harvest Festival (OT) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 27 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cheryldee@aol.com In a message dated 11/3/99 2:29:09 AM Mountain Standard Time, dietmar@pacbell.net writes: << I don't object to a harvest festival, but this one is held in mid-July. (Hardly the time of harvest.) What bothers me is calling it a Crusade without being sensitive to the facts of what a crusade really means. Or is the medievalist in me just over-reacting? >> I think they're referring to the harvesting of souls not of food. There are several metaphors in the Bible relating to this. Wish some of them would read it more thoroughly and find the "pagan" parts. Cheryl _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 08:48:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23517 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:48:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02699; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:04:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00763 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:04:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00754 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:04:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28120 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:04:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03537 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:04:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:04:39 -0500 (EST) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Harvest Festival (OT) In-Reply-To: <0.2f3b572f.2551a30a@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: aleed > >> > I think they're referring to the harvesting of souls not of food. There are > several metaphors in the Bible relating to this. Wish some of them would > read it more thoroughly and find the "pagan" parts. Cheryl Me too. The Bible's a fascinating conglomeration of several cultures' traditional stories. I especially like the flood part, nabbed straight from Gilgamesh. Drea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 08:50:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23523 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:50:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03006; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:07:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01379 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:07:26 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01135 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:06:02 -0700 (MST) From: ben@hrofi.demon.co.uk Received: from hrofi.demon.co.uk ([158.152.7.203]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11j1z1-0001Li-0C for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:05:56 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Harvest Festival (OT) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 15:05:15 GMT Message-ID: <382b4ba0.18745955@post.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id IAA01375 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: ben@hrofi.demon.co.uk On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:11:57 +0000, you wrote: > >-Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" > >I don't know any fundamentalists, but here in England most mainstream churches hold a harvest festival one Sunday in September. The tradition only goes back to Victorian times, but it has no connection with Hallowe'en that I've ever heard of. What's weird about wanting to thank God for our food? > Actually, it was revived in Victorian times - the urge to thang God or the Gods for food goes much further back. Apparently this festival comes from the old Germanic (Anglo-Saxon) Pagan faith, many elements of which relating to harvest festivities continued on well into the 18th century, and were then revived in the 19th. Part of the Anglo-Saxon ritual appears to have been taking offerings from the harvest to the shrine of the Earth goddess, Nerthus (and apparently after the conversion many carried this tradition on taking the harvest to a Christian Church). We also know a little more about early Germanic harvest festivals and how they carried on... September was Halig-monaþ (holy month), the month of festivals in honour of Nerthus in her aspect as giver. This is the festival for which we have the best idea of the ritual, as Tacitus devotes a chapter of Germania to this festival, common to all the Germanic tribes: 'They worship in common Nerthus, that is the Earth Mother, and believe she intervenes in human affairs and goes on progress through the tribes. There is a sacred grove on an island of the ocean, and in the grove is a consecrated wagon covered with a cloth. Only one priest is allowed to touch it; he understands when the goddess is present in her shrine and follows with profound reverence when she is drawn away by cows. Then there are days of rejoicing: the places she considers worthy to entertain her [i.e. the places where the cows pulling the driverless wagon choose to stop] keep holiday. They do not go to war, do not use weapons, all iron is shut away - peace and quiet is much esteemed and loved at that time - until the same priest returns the goddess to her sanctuary when she has had enough of human company. Directly the wagon, the covering cloth and, if you like to believe this, the goddess herself, are washed in a secluded lake. Slaves are the ministers; immediately the same lake swallows them. [They are drowned as soon as they have finished their tasks as lay folk may not see or touch the goddess and live] From this arises a mysterious terror and a pious ignorance about what that may be, which is only seen by those about to die.' We also know that the sheaf was also a symbol of the goddess (the origin of the corn-dolly), and it seems that even after the conversion this ritual had not been forgotten. In September 1598 a German visitor travelling to Eton describes a country ritual he witnessed: 'We were returning to our lodging house; by lucky chance we fell in with the country-folk, celebrating their harvest home. The last sheaf had been crowned with flowers and they had attached it to a magnificently robed image, which perhaps they meant to represent Ceres [Ceres was the Roman name for a goddess of the fruitful earth and the harvest, and a much more widely known deity than Nerthus in the 16th century] They carried her hither and thither with much noise; men and women were sitting together on the wagon, men-servants and maid-servants shouting through the streets until they come to the barn.' About 1,000 years after the conversion, the English still had a goddess of the fruitful earth, still riding a wagon, making random progress amidst public rejoicing. Servant-ministers were in attendance, although in the September of 1598 they were on their way to a more cheerful and less final end to the ceremonies. Even as late as the end of the 18th century, the antiquarian William Hutchinson reported meeting the Harvest Queen in Northumberland: 'I have seen in some places an image apparelled in great finery, crowned with flowers, a sheaf of corn placed under her arm and a scythe in her hand, carried out of the village in the morning of the concluding reaping day, with music and much clamour of the reapers, into the field where it stands fixed to a pole all day, and when the reaping is done it is brought home in like manner. This they call the Harvest Queen and it represents the Roman Ceres. [To classically educated scholars from one end of Europe to the other, all the old gods appeared in their Roman forms.]' It also seems that the Anglo-Saxons kept the grain from the last sheaf of corn, and in springtime made small cakes from it, of which some were eaten by the community and others were buried in the fields before sowing as an offering to the spring goddess (Eostre or Ostara - who gives her name to Easter) and these cakes may be the origin of hot cross buns! Ben _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 09:26:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23595 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:26:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07740; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:43:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09393 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:42:49 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from wcuvax1.wcu.edu (wcuvax1.wcu.edu [152.30.1.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09387 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:42:47 -0700 (MST) From: STRAUSS@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU Received: from WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU by WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #24282) id <01JHWC1PEO849ANHZA@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:40:46 EST Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 10:40:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: H-COST: Costume Con and ??? To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <01JHWC1PEO869ANHZA@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"h-costume-digest@indra.com" X-VMS-Cc: STRAUSS MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: STRAUSS@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU I wish Costume Con and Horror Con (and throw in USITT!) could be same time/same place. Now that would be "interesting." Bob ==================================================================== Bob Strauss Cataloger Hunter Library Western Carolina U. strauss@wcu.edu Class home page: http://www3.wcu.edu/~strauss Personal home page: http://www3.wcu.edu/~strauss/personal ==================================================================== _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 09:29:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23599 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:29:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08509; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:47:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10345 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:47:02 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tn.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10331 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by news.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991103154658.SLPZ25390.news.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:46:58 -0800 Message-ID: <3820583E.8DC440EC@home.com> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:43:58 -0600 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Humour! References: <014201bf2606$78729e20$80f4fea9@ouppc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Kat & Kent Vince Lyons wrote: > > > The lady seated at the table replied-- "No, this is hell, there > > aren't any scissors." I've heard this last one before... and remarked that I had teeth and arms for a reason!! Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 09:30:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23605 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:30:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08650; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:47:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10574 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:47:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10564; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:47:56 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:47:56 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear Message-Id: <199911031547.IAA10564@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: off-topic discussions (was Re: Hallowe'en) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Elizabeth Lear Hi all, Please remember we're here to discuss historic costuming. I let the Halloween costume thread go on since it seemed vaguely related, but now that we've digressed into religion it's time to move this discussion off the h-costume mailing list. Thanks, ...eliz, list admin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 09:49:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23638 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:49:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11772; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:06:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15253 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:06:01 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15233 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:05:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from mystic.excite.com ([199.172.152.98]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991103160528.NDRK29876.ewey.excite.com@mystic.excite.com> for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:05:28 -0800 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Hallowe'en Message-Id: <941645128.13286.847@excite.com> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:05:28 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "StitchWitch" > I'm thinking > of printing bumper stickers with nice Arabic script and the words "Autumn Jihad". > ;-) > > Regards, > > Dietmar *BWA-HA-HA-HA!* I want one! I want one! And think of the potential for an on-stage presentation that would make. (See, I brought this back to costuming after all! Now, to work in the Historical . . .) Kate ---- StitchWitch A learned bastard takes precedence over an ignorant high priest. - The Talmud, 5th Cen. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 10:32:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23697 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:32:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19068; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:49:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27318 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:48:54 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us [209.129.16.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27303 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:48:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us (ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us [10.1.100.1]) by intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA06306 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:50:48 -0800 Message-ID: From: Heidi Fox To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Humour! Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:50:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Heidi Fox Aack! I could hear myself using every one of those reasons! I am in a strict budget these days, and I dipped into my grocery money this month because I found this divine peacock blue silk taffeta that would make a gorgeous 1880's ball gown...but it was on SALE (my only defense)! And ramen's not so bad... -----Original Message----- From: Vince Lyons [mailto:vjlyons@snip.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 6:20 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Humour! Hi Everyone! This posting may be slightly ot, but I hope you'll all forgive me! This arrived in my mail today and I immediately thought of some of the folks here. ;-) Hope it gives you a smile for the day. --Kerrie 14 Great Reasons To Buy More Fabric! > > 1. Because I'm worth it! > > 2. It insulates the closet where it is kept. > > 3. It helps keep the economy going. > > 4. It is less expensive and more fun than psychiatric care. > > 5. Because it is on sale. > > 6. The one with the most fabric wins! > > 7. It keeps without refrigeration, you don't cook it, feed it, change it, > wipe it or walk it. > > 8. You need extra weight for traction in winter. This is very important. > > 9. Because I'm worth it! > > 10. It protects empty spaces like the ironing board, laundry hamper and > dining room table. > > 11. Stress from dealing with the fabric control officer [my husband] made me > do it. > > 12. It is not illegal or fattening. > > 13. Buy it before your husband retires, and goes with you when you shop. > > 14. Because I'm worth it! > > I hope this offends no one...let me tell you why it is funny to me...Nana > just sent 22 bolts of fabric up here and she has at least 50 more to > send...she has 2 cabinets with lace by the bolt and a triple closet with > yard goods....now she hardly sews and just ordered more....so John uses > humor with her and he loved this~! > > "A woman was near death and insisted that she be buried with her fabric > stash. Her kids thought she was crazy but they complied and the lady's > coffin was filled with her most favorite fabrics. After she passed on, she > found herself in a beautiful, mystical place, and was surrounded by other > women. Each one was at a sewing table admiring bolts of beautiful fabric. > As far as the eye could see, beautiful bolts of fabric. Overjoyed, the > woman approached a lady at one of the sewing tables, who was admiring a > gorgeous silk. She said--"This is a beautiful place, it must be heaven!!" > The lady seated at the table replied-- "No, this is hell, there aren't any > scissors." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 11:08:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23782 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:08:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23419; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:23:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06759 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:23:03 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (IDENT:root@sm0101.promedia.net [209.160.170.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06746 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from j9g8x8 (ppp-209-160-171-8.01.promedia.net [209.160.171.8]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11036 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:22:52 -0800 Message-ID: <003201bf2620$a1c95b00$08aba0d1@j9g8x8> From: "Broneske" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Harvest Festival (OT) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:26:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Broneske" Touche' !!! -----Original Message----- From: Kat & Kent To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 6:59 AM Subject: Re: H-COST: Harvest Festival (OT) > >-Poster: Kat & Kent > >KATE M BUNTING wrote: >> >> I don't know any fundamentalists, but here in England most mainstream >> churches hold a harvest festival one Sunday in September. The >> tradition only goes back to Victorian times, but it has no connection >> with Hallowe'en that I've ever heard of. What's weird about wanting to >> thank God for our food? > >Absolutely nothing... I thank the Gods for my food at least four times a >year (Lammas, Mabon, Samhaine & Thanksgiving). What I find odd is that >they are claiming that Halloween is a pagan ritual (in their eyes, "of >the devil") and turning around to adopt *another* pagan ritual. I know >of no traditional American Harvest Festivals other than Thanksgiving (in >November). > >Kat > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 11:18:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23788 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:18:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25528; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:35:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10340 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:35:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10325 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:35:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-159-130.s130.tnt7.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.159.130]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA10187 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:35:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <011c01bf2622$387e2d40$829faccf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: History of Beauty Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:38:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" A friend of mine has just opened her website on the history of beauty called Jolique, http://www.jolique.com/ . The author of the site has a BA in art history and has an interesting series of articles on her website that combines her love of art history and costume. This month, she is discussing the history of body shaving, curling hair, makeup, and tatooing. She will be changing the articles so you might want to print them out for safe keeping. Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 11:59:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23822 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:59:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02903; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:16:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20337 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:15:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (IDENT:root@sm0101.promedia.net [209.160.170.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20318 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:15:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from j9g8x8 (ppp-209-160-171-137.01.promedia.net [209.160.171.137]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA13156 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:15:50 -0800 Message-ID: <005201bf2628$04b6cf20$08aba0d1@j9g8x8> From: "Broneske" To: "H-Costume" Subject: H-COST: OT: Pictures Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:19:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Broneske" I have posted my Halloween pictures at: http://www.softcom.net/users/unicorn/pictures.htm However, this does pertain somewhat to historical costuming. The flying ghost is wearing a white Edwardian number; the fortune teller in black, off to the right, is wearing a black, vintage blouse, circa. 1900-1905 and black vintage skirt, circa 1905. The Crypt Keeper on the left is wearing a pseudo-Monk's robe and hood ;). I, am wearing a dress I created using Simplicity Retro 40s pattern #8643. I simply changed the neckline and added long, trumpet sleeves. Enjoy! Joan Broneske unicorn@softcom.net @-->---------------- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 14:04:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23985 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:04:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23391; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:21:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11243 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:20:56 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11235 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:20:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from antiquity.pbc.adelphia.net (1Cust41.tnt1.west-palm-beach.fl.da.uu.net [63.26.42.41]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA06421 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:20:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005901bf2639$8f6f7160$292a1a3f@pbc.adelphia.net> From: "Erica D. Pence" To: References: <0.6bf8a21.254623ee@aol.com> Subject: H-COST: Costume books and Patterns on Ebay Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:25:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Erica D. Pence" I am cleaning out my house in preparation for a big move. I have listed several costuming books and patterns including 2 Period Patterns (#41 and #46) on Ebay for those interested. The link below will list all the items I am selling. http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&us erid=pence1@earthlink.net&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 14:30:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24122 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:30:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28216; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:48:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17831 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:48:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web1601.mail.yahoo.com (web1601.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.201]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA17826 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:48:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19991103205912.24177.rocketmail@web1601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.122.228.207] by web1601.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:59:12 PST Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:59:12 -0800 (PST) From: Martha McCain Subject: H-COST: Corset terminology To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Martha McCain I’m writing instructions for making a mid nineteenth century corset and I’d like to get the terminology correct. The front clasp – or busk – has two sides: one is loops and the other is knobs. What do you REALLY call the knobs and loops? I’ve looked high and low for this. If anyone knows, could you also share your source with me? Thanks a lot. Martha McCain __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 14:47:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24232 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:47:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01006; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:04:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21874 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:03:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from apollo.directcon.net (IDENT:root@apollo.directcon.net [206.170.184.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21856 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:03:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p10.directcon.net [206.170.184.59]) by apollo.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA05317 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:02:37 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:02:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199911032102.NAA05317@apollo.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Corset terminology Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id OAA21865 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Margo Anderson At 12:59 PM 11/03/1999 -0800, you wrote: > >-Poster: Martha McCain > > >I’m writing instructions for making a mid nineteenth >century corset and I’d like to get the terminology >correct. The front clasp – or busk – has two sides: >one is loops and the other is knobs. What do you >REALLY call the knobs and loops? I've always heard them called loops and studs. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 14:48:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24263 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:48:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01344; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:05:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22334 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:05:32 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22305 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:05:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.240] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11j7aw-0004Kz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:05:26 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991103130705.00c201d0@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:12:56 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: H-COST: Humour! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >Aack! I could hear myself using every one of those reasons! I am in a >strict budget these days, and I dipped into my grocery money this month >because I found this divine peacock blue silk taffeta that would make a >gorgeous 1880's ball gown...but it was on SALE (my only defense)! And >ramen's not so bad... I heard a joke about a man in Las Vegas begging for money. He pleaded that he needed the money to buy food because his family was going hungry, he needed to pay the bills, etc. The person he was pleading with said no because he was afraid the man would just use the money for gambling. The man reassured the person that he wouldn't because he already had money for gambling. (BTW, sometimes we eat a lot of ramen after fabric sales too.) Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 17:24:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24655 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:24:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22499; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:41:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02910 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:40:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02902 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:40:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06178 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:40:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-176.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.176]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26436 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:40:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004501bf2656$b7c44740$720efea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Harvest Festival (OT) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:54:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" > >-Poster: aleed >Me too. The Bible's a fascinating conglomeration of several cultures' >traditional stories. I especially like the flood part, nabbed straight >from Gilgamesh. > >Drea Yeah, or the part about Eve and the apple....looks like Persephone and the pomegranite. I am taking a mythology class in college and almost everything looks like something else. Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 21:13:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24941 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:13:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21164; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:30:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11464 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:29:28 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11454 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:29:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from antiquity.pbc.adelphia.net (1Cust150.tnt2.west-palm-beach.fl.da.uu.net [63.26.43.150]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA18573 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:29:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002b01bf2675$6d2da400$962b1a3f@pbc.adelphia.net> From: "Erica D. Pence" To: References: <0.6bf8a21.254623ee@aol.com> Subject: H-COST: Costume Books and Patterns on Ebay Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:33:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Erica D. Pence" < Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25104 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:18:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02827; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:35:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28673 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:35:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28665 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:35:02 -0700 (MST) From: JPMcTeer@aol.com Received: from JPMcTeer@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6UQWa12219 (4185) for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:34:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.429fd745.255274e4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:34:28 EST Subject: H-COST: Tourist hints for Dallas, Fort Worth To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: JPMcTeer@aol.com I am off to Texas next week for 6 days and would like recommendations for what to see (art, sculpture, theatre, exhibits) and where to shop for fabrics/ antique clothes. Responses not dealing with costume topics can be sent to me directly if you wish. Joan McTeer Minneapolis JPMcTeer@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 3 23:29:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25125 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:29:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03703; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:47:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00120 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:47:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.va.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.va.home.com [24.2.32.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00114 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from C59303A ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.va.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991104054701.SKUS23900.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@C59303A> for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:47:01 -0800 Message-ID: <006201bf267f$b09fada0$ac350418@C59303A> From: "fhavas" To: References: <0.429fd745.255274e4@aol.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Tourist hints for Dallas, Fort Worth Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:47:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "fhavas" There is a fabric shopping site for the DFW area, http://ares.redsword.com/dduperault/stores.htm The bible museum always has real cool illuminations, so does SMU's museum. There is an arboretum in Fair Park that is just beautiful! I think that the butterflies are still there. They only last a few weeks then they turn into cocoons. There is a Dallas Zoo, a Fort Worth Zoo, and of course the Galleria. I work at the Info Mart, it is the replica of the Crystal Palace. It has huge wall size prints of paintings made at the World's Fair during Albert and Victoria's reign. Lots of costume depictions from around the world as well as items in general, very beautiful. If you are going to be driving around I highly encourage you to tune into KRLD, am 1080, they are the only ones that will give you traffic reports every 10 minutes including Saturdays. There are quite a few of us from the area on this list so if you need help getting around just buzz one of us. :) Sincerely, FHavas Dallas, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 11:34 PM Subject: H-COST: Tourist hints for Dallas, Fort Worth > > -Poster: JPMcTeer@aol.com > > I am off to Texas next week for 6 days and would like recommendations for > what to see (art, sculpture, theatre, exhibits) and where to shop for > fabrics/ antique clothes. > > Responses not dealing with costume topics can be sent to me directly if you > wish. > > Joan McTeer > Minneapolis > JPMcTeer@aol.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 07:33:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30633 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:33:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04187; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:49:56 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11771 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:49:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web1601.mail.yahoo.com (web1601.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.201]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA11766 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:49:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19991104140054.14648.rocketmail@web1601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.122.224.40] by web1601.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 04 Nov 1999 06:00:54 PST Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:00:54 -0800 (PST) From: Martha McCain Subject: Re: H-COST: Corset terminology To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Martha McCain Thank you, Margo. I'll go with loops and studs unless somebody comes up with something more difinitive. I phoned a "learned institution" and was told they call them do-hickeys.... Martha ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 09:02:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30746 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:02:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12330; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:17:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25628 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:16:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.70]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25611 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:16:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from netspace.net.au.netspace.net.au (dialup-t1-136.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [210.15.250.136]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/NS) with ESMTP id CAA20599 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 02:16:48 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199911041516.CAA20599@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Costume Con and ??? Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 02:13:37 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Christopher Ballis" > I wish Costume Con and Horror Con (and throw in USITT!) could be > same time/same place. Now that would be "interesting." Ha, you ever tried running a con? You instantly get horror when you search for volunteers. -C. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 10:57:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31059 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:57:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29695; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:12:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24233 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:10:33 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24216 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:10:32 -0700 (MST) From: M311@aol.com Received: from M311@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6QBRa17102 (4329) for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:09:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.786a8eec.255317e7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:09:59 EST Subject: H-COST: digest To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: M311@aol.com set digest _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 13:46:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31591 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:46:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28713; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:01:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10398 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:00:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.130]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10386 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:00:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from Porb (vandial7.lightspeed.bc.ca [204.244.233.7]) by sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA18629 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:50:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991104120223.00798be0@antir.com> X-Sender: i.wonder@antir.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 12:02:23 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kris Subject: H-COST: Simplicity Retro 8640 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Kris http://simplicity.com/853/8640.htm Well.. I was wondering approx what time period this would be. I know I've seen something similar in old photos or something, and it's got me curious :] I was also wondering what type of foundation garments the women would have been wearing under this style. I realize that this pattern is probably not accurate, but since I'm not making it for the historical aspect, I don't really care :] I'm doing it it chocolate poly wool, with black sandwash poly sleeves and inset. It's looking fab, and I'm very pleased with the ease of putting the tunic together. Kris _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 13:58:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31634 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:58:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01069; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:15:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14471 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:15:19 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from scl-viruswall.phoenix.com (scl-viruswall.phoenix.com [134.122.11.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA14450 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:15:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from 134.122.11.5 by scl-viruswall.phoenix.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 04 Nov 1999 12:15:16 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:15:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1F176F2C2977D311B3300090270E63782674BE@scl-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: H-COST: Surf the Musee de Tissus Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:15:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cynthia Barnes Fabric junkies can while away a few minutes here looking at the pics of vintage fabrics. http://www.lyon.cci.fr/musee-des-tissus/ Choose "images access". You will be asked to promise no reproduction of the images, press "acceptation". Click "local images bank". There are very few images yet, and the notes "Textiles informations" are in french. I saw maybe 50, but they are pretty and good quality digital images, too. --cin Cynthia Barnes 408.570.1023 Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com Phoenix Technologies 411 E. Plumeria Dr. San Jose CA 95134 "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 14:14:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31738 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:14:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03272; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:29:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17928 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:29:25 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17919 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:29:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from ringo.excite.com ([199.172.152.145]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991104202852.WAVO1625.kuku.excite.com@ringo.excite.com> for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:28:52 -0800 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity Retro 8640 Message-Id: <941747332.23464.797@excite.com> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 12:28:52 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "StitchWitch" > I realize that this pattern is probably not accurate, but since I'm not > making it for the historical aspect, I don't really care :] I'm doing it it > chocolate poly wool, with black sandwash poly sleeves and inset. It's > looking fab, and I'm very pleased with the ease of putting the tunic together. > > Kris Yum! That sounds wonderful! I have this pattern as well, but haven't decided if I want to make it out of velvet or silk or quilted Japanese print cotton yet. Decisions, decisions! Kate ---- StitchWitch A learned bastard takes precedence over an ignorant high priest. - The Talmud, 5th Cen. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 14:36:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31780 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:36:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06781; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:52:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24325 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:52:45 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fw2.roguewave.com (firewall-user@fw2.roguewave.com [208.151.233.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24309 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:52:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by fw2.roguewave.com; id UAA12430; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:59:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from cvo1.cvo.roguewave.com(10.68.4.36) via SMTP by net.indra.com, id smtpd012417; Thu Nov 4 20:59:53 1999 Received: by cvo1.cvo.roguewave.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:57:35 -0800 Message-ID: From: Betsy Perry To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Simplicity Retro 8640 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:57:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Betsy Perry I think it's supposed to be faux-Titanic. The staircase behind is the giveaway. -----Original Message----- From: Kris [mailto:i.wonder@L7.net] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 3:02 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Simplicity Retro 8640 http://simplicity.com/853/8640.htm Well.. I was wondering approx what time period this would be. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 14:40:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31786 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:40:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07314; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:55:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19551 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:35:27 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sisscoe.sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us (sisscoe.sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us [198.189.71.12]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19356 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:34:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us (jackson3 [198.189.103.3]) by sisscoe.sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us (8.8.8/(Not!)) with ESMTP id MAA16997 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:33:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3821EDA7.716AA6EB@sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 12:33:43 -0800 From: Cindy Brown X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity Retro 8640 References: <3.0.5.32.19991104120223.00798be0@antir.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cindy Brown Hi, Kris... I used this pattern as a base for costuming a version of The Little Princess, set in 1911-1912. The styles at this time were quite diverse, and with the coming of WWI dresses changed pretty radically. I used some old Delineators and other fashion journals from the 1906 - 1914 period to "date" this particular costume. Hope this helps! Cindy Brown Kris wrote: > -Poster: Kris > > http://simplicity.com/853/8640.htm > > Well.. I was wondering approx what time period this would be. I know I've > seen something similar in old photos or something, and it's got me curious > :] I was also wondering what type of foundation garments the women would > have been wearing under this style. > > I realize that this pattern is probably not accurate, but since I'm not > making it for the historical aspect, I don't really care :] I'm doing it it > chocolate poly wool, with black sandwash poly sleeves and inset. It's > looking fab, and I'm very pleased with the ease of putting the tunic together. > > Kris > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 15:04:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31817 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:04:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11003; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:20:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01006 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:18:18 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from snip.net (mail.snip.net [209.204.64.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00976 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:18:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from ouppc [209.204.83.142] by snip.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A6C643C00EA; Thu, 04 Nov 1999 16:12:38 -0500 Message-ID: <00c101bf270a$29e6a1c0$80f4fea9@ouppc> From: "Vince Lyons" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity Retro 8640 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:18:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Vince Lyons" ----- Original Message ----- From: Betsy Perry Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 3:57 PM > > I think it's supposed to be faux-Titanic. The staircase behind is the > giveaway. > Yep, that's the Simplicity version of the blue velvet suit Rose wears in the "I'm Flying" scene. Actually it's one of their better reproductions too. Turn the skirt gather toward the front, straighten out the sweetheart neckline on the bodice, it's a close match. It should even be fairly historically accurate for the 1900's as it was based on an original vintage outfit. I'm glad to hear it goes together nicely! I may try this one when I get my figure back after this baby arrives....(sometime near the *next* millennium) ;-) Rapidly expanding, Kerrie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 15:31:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31868 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:31:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15079; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:48:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08503 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:47:05 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.19]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08485 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:47:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from jwilbur1 by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: og3pool109-80.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.109.80]) id QQhnxv06922 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:50:55 GMT Message-Id: From: "Jessica Wilbur" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:47:04 -0500 Subject: H-COST: Pleats on Henry VIII jerkin? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" Hello all, I'm curious about what kind of pleats are used to attach the skirt to a Tudor jerkin, like the ones Henry VIII is wearing in various portraits: http://tudor.simplenet.com/henry8/henryred2.jpg http://tudor.simplenet.com/henry8/henry.jpg The first portrait is Eworth's, and the pleats look (to my untrained eye) like cartridge pleats. The second is Holbein's and the pleats there look like plain old knife pleats. They look flatter than the ones in Eworth's portrait. I'm using the men's Tudor Period Pattern as a basis to start from for the outfit I'm making. The pattern instructions simply say, pleat the skirt onto the jerkin using a pleating method of your choice (or something like that). How helpful! =) Anyone have any input or suggestions? I've never pleated anything before, but hey... why should that stop me? =) Thanks! --Jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 15:38:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31912 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:38:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16218; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:54:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10392 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:54:46 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailjay.creighton.edu (mailjay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.126]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10365 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:54:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from brujne.creighton.edu ([147.134.201.104] (may be forged)) by mailjay.creighton.edu (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA29827 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:54:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199911042154.PAA29827@mailjay.creighton.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Cindy Abel" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:54:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity Retro 8640 Priority: normal In-reply-to: <941747332.23464.797@excite.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Cindy Abel" I have mine partly made: the skirt is done and it is Daisy Kingdom's "Rose Lace" in pink voile over white eyelet with rose buds in the design. I have tons of time as the wedding I was to finish it for turned into an elopement after the happy couple was refused a church ceremony on a technicality(!). My best friend hadn't eloped for her previous weddings and found it wonderfully romantic just to elope on the spur of the moment. I told her maybe the previous weddings had been a jinx and since our dresses are classics, they won't date. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 15:43:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31945 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:43:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16874; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:59:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11474 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:59:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1 ([204.86.241.250]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA11454 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:59:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail1 with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.00.28 AS-1409036) for at Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:49:34 -0800 Received: by hhsmail.dhhs.co.sacramento.ca.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:56:49 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Bergdahl, Stephen" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Pleats on Henry VIII jerkin? Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:56:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Bergdahl, Stephen" They are knife pleats with tapes to hold them in place. If you like I can send you a copy of the pattern from "History of Costume" It shows it much better than I can explain it. Yours Stephen Bergdahl -----Original Message----- From: Jessica Wilbur [mailto:jessica@pop.net] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 1:47 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Pleats on Henry VIII jerkin? -Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" Hello all, I'm curious about what kind of pleats are used to attach the skirt to a Tudor jerkin, like the ones Henry VIII is wearing in various portraits: http://tudor.simplenet.com/henry8/henryred2.jpg http://tudor.simplenet.com/henry8/henry.jpg The first portrait is Eworth's, and the pleats look (to my untrained eye) like cartridge pleats. The second is Holbein's and the pleats there look like plain old knife pleats. They look flatter than the ones in Eworth's portrait. I'm using the men's Tudor Period Pattern as a basis to start from for the outfit I'm making. The pattern instructions simply say, pleat the skirt onto the jerkin using a pleating method of your choice (or something like that). How helpful! =) Anyone have any input or suggestions? I've never pleated anything before, but hey... why should that stop me? =) Thanks! --Jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 17:19:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32095 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:19:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02346; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:36:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06283 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:34:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06275 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:34:53 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6BGBa23354 (4247) for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:34:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.3e8ca1ad.255371f6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:34:14 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity Retro 8640 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 40 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 11/04/1999 3:53:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, betsyp@roguewave.com writes: << I think it's supposed to be faux-Titanic. The staircase behind is the giveaway. >> It's definitely teens but I wonder why they gave the illustration such a 1930s look? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 17:21:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32101 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:21:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02606; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:38:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07149 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:38:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07141 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:38:12 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6KEAe7LxW_ (4247) for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:37:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.3d95bf31.255372c2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:37:38 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity Retro 8640 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 40 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 11/04/1999 3:53:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, betsyp@roguewave.com writes: << I think it's supposed to be faux-Titanic. The staircase behind is the giveaway. >> Oops....forgot to answer you underpinning question. You'd wear a long straight front corset under this. Basically you want a monobosom....not two breasts...and slim hips. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 17:23:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32105 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:23:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02954; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:40:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07680 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:40:28 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.austin.rr.com (sm1.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.54]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07673 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:40:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from PENNY ([24.93.49.158]) by mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:40:33 -0600 From: rio@austin.rr.com (StrangeGirl) To: Subject: H-COST: Have to unsub Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 23:37:11 GMT Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3839189f.883913755@smtp-server.austin.rr.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id QAA07675 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: rio@austin.rr.com (StrangeGirl) Sorry to have to do this, as I know I'll miss lots of good stuff while I'm gone, but I have to unsub for awhile (moving, life, etc) Anyone who needs to, for whatever reason, can email me directly at rio@austin.rr.com Margery "Do you have any files?" 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Millenium {*to reply take spambegone from my reply-to address*} _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 17:52:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32134 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:52:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06221; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:09:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11555 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:57:26 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11377 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:56:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.167.66.116] (sdts11-111.znet.net [207.167.66.111]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with ESMTP id PAA15652 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:56:37 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-From: savaskan@sd.znet.com X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:26:13 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: Re: H-COST: Pleats on Henry VIII jerkin? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Julie Adams >I'm curious about what kind of pleats are used to attach the skirt to a >Tudor jerkin, like the >ones Henry VIII is wearing in various portraits: > >http://tudor.simplenet.com/henry8/henryred2.jpg > Organ pipe pleats as shown in the existing bases in Blanche Payne and Kohler, with a diagram in Blanche Payne's History of Costume FIRST edition. >http://tudor.simplenet.com/henry8/henry.jpg Knife pleats, but the skirt is still most likely cut on the round. Box and knife pleats are both used in this period in addition to organ pipe pleats. Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 18:37:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32180 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:37:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11978; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:54:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22655 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:54:06 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from apollo.directcon.net (IDENT:root@apollo.directcon.net [206.170.184.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22645 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:54:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p13.directcon.net [206.170.184.62]) by apollo.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA23510 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:52:45 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:52:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199911050052.QAA23510@apollo.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: New Corset from Chivalry Sports Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Margo Anderson Has anyone else gotten the new Chivalry Sports Catalog yet? If so, I'd like to hear your opinions on the "Simple Boned Corset" on page 8, which they say "combines features of both Victorian and Elizabethan corsets making it appropriate for wear with either genre". Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 18:49:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32187 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:49:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13364; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:07:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25036 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:07:13 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1 ([204.86.241.250]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA25025 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:07:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail1 with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.00.28 AS-1409036) for at Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:54:45 -0800 Received: by hhsmail.dhhs.co.sacramento.ca.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:02:00 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Bergdahl, Stephen" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: New Corset from Chivalry Sports Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:01:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Bergdahl, Stephen" I've seen it....And I feel it is one of the worst designed corsets I have ever seen. It's too curved to be a Elizabethan and too straight to be Victorian. No matter what you wear it under it's going to be wrong. I am sure it will sell, things like that always do. Stephen Bergdahl -----Original Message----- From: Margo Anderson [mailto:margo@directcon.net] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 4:53 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: New Corset from Chivalry Sports -Poster: Margo Anderson Has anyone else gotten the new Chivalry Sports Catalog yet? If so, I'd like to hear your opinions on the "Simple Boned Corset" on page 8, which they say "combines features of both Victorian and Elizabethan corsets making it appropriate for wear with either genre". Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 18:51:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32197 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:50:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13527; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:08:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25430 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:08:27 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ntserver1.mainsaver.com ([206.17.202.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25425 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:08:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by HP-LH3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:00:41 -0800 Message-ID: <5B38B8D7EED8D211997F00A0C9E57FB91DB573@HP-LH3> From: MAGGIE SECARA To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: New Corset from Chivalry Sports Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:00:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MAGGIE SECARA Margo! Just morbidly curious... How long did it take you to stop laughing before you could actually get to the keyboard? MaggiRos A Compendium of Common Knowledge (1558-1603) is at http://ren.dm.net Leap, and the net will appear. --Orson Wells > -----Original Message----- > From: Margo Anderson [SMTP:margo@directcon.net] > Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:53 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: H-COST: New Corset from Chivalry Sports > > > -Poster: Margo Anderson > > Has anyone else gotten the new Chivalry Sports Catalog yet? If so, I'd > like > to hear your opinions on the "Simple Boned Corset" on page 8, which they > say > "combines features of both Victorian and Elizabethan corsets making it > appropriate for wear with either genre". > > Margo > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 20:47:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32457 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:46:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25225; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:04:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14146 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:03:50 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from apollo.directcon.net (IDENT:root@apollo.directcon.net [206.170.184.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14115 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:03:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p15.directcon.net [206.170.184.64]) by apollo.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA06556 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:02:25 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:02:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199911050302.TAA06556@apollo.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: RE: H-COST: New Corset from Chivalry Sports Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Margo Anderson At 05:00 PM 11/04/1999 -0800, you wrote: > >-Poster: MAGGIE SECARA > >Margo! Just morbidly curious... How long did it take you to stop laughing >before you could actually get to the keyboard? > "Laughing? Moi? Oh no...(batting her eyes in ladylike innocence) I just assumed that when they said it was suitable for "either Victorian or Renaissance" that they had mistakenly left out an "n". Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 20:51:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32469 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:51:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26357; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:09:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15014 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:09:37 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from apollo.directcon.net (IDENT:root@apollo.directcon.net [206.170.184.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15003 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:09:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p15.directcon.net [206.170.184.64]) by apollo.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA07354 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:08:16 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:08:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199911050308.TAA07354@apollo.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: RE: H-COST: New Corset from Chivalry Sports Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Margo Anderson Ooh, the plot thickens... My husband just took a look at this corset and he thought it was a BR Creation. BR is a company that markets to the "adult" crowd, with very nicely made corsets with little attention paid to historicality. It might be a close copy, or it could be that Chivalry Sports is reselling BR corsets under their own name. BR has had this sort of arrangements with other companies, so I'm not intending to suggest that there's anything illicit going on, just sloppy history. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 22:17:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32561 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:17:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05321; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:35:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27249 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:34:45 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.shadow.net (mail.shadow.net [204.177.71.231]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27240 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:34:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from joedunfe (ip31.margate.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.14.96.31]) by mail.shadow.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA11287 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:35:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19991105044314.008acc60@shadow.net> X-Sender: jdunfee@shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 23:43:14 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joe Dunfee Subject: H-COST: Capes for Men Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Joe Dunfee I guess I should introduce myself a bit first... My main cloth-related creative outlet is making Puppets. But I do some costumes as well - mostly animal costumes. I am joining this list to do some research for one project I am working on. I have always wanted a cape for my own use. Now that I tour with a theater company (One Way Productions - we do one-man biblical dramas) I will have opportunity to wear some cold-weather gear. I went shopping for coats today (not alot of selection in So. Fla.) and was thinking about a trench coat and found nothing I liked, so... I am thinking about hireing a local lady to sew a cape for me. I will need to provide her with a pattern, though. I have spent several hours on the internet searching for a pattern for ANY man's coat, and come up empty handed. I even have visited several vintage clothing sights that sold patterns, but apparently capes for men are not in demand now. When I joined this list, I had hoped the welcome message would tell me about an archive I can use a find command on - but no such thing apparently. (tell me if I am wrong) Which now leaves me to directly asking you folks. I want a pattern for a men's cape. I am not knowledgable about period clothing, but here are some of the things I am wanting for the coat, and maybe someone can tell me about the type of cape I am looking for. Since wearing a cape is a bit outlandish, I would rather the cape be a solid dark color and not highly decorative. The only cape I can picture in my head is Shirlock Holmes' cape, but perhaps other styles would be appropriate. I do want to be able to stick my arms out when the cape is closed - I am definitely not fond of cold weather and really want to use the coat to keep warm. Any suggestions? One more thing... I would like to line the coat with a material that reflects heat. I.e. a radiant heat barrier. Shiney mylar is one such material, but I have seen knit gloves advertised that had this features as well. So, apparently some cloth is manufactured with this feature - can anyone recommend a source for this? Joe Dunfee, joe@dunfee.com Fort Lauderdale, Florida USA _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 22:40:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32592 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:40:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07430; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:57:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00542 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:57:37 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00531 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:57:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-244-68.s68.tnt4.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.244.68]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id XAA28080 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:57:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <021601bf274a$b37f70c0$44f4accf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Interesting Website Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:00:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" I found this website tonight called The Tsar Village, http://homepages.go.com/~jediguin/tsar.html It has some really nice photographs of the Russian Royality. 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Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 22:45:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32601 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:45:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08080; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:02:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01499 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:02:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01491 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:02:53 -0700 (MST) From: CONNECT@aol.com Received: from CONNECT@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6WAQa11406 (3897) for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:02:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.5688d5b1.2553bed9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:02:17 EST Subject: H-COST: Good instructions for Organ pleats To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: CONNECT@aol.com Could someone direct me to good written and visual instructions on how to do organ pleats? Yours gratefully, Pattie Rayl _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 22:49:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32605 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:49:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08629; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:06:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02045 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:06:39 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.130]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02031 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:06:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from Porb (vandial32.lightspeed.bc.ca [204.244.233.32]) by sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA21974 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:56:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991104210805.0079d780@antir.com> X-Sender: i.wonder@antir.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 21:08:05 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kris Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity Retro 8640 In-Reply-To: <0.3d95bf31.255372c2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Kris >-Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > >In a message dated 11/04/1999 3:53:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, >betsyp@roguewave.com writes: > ><< > I think it's supposed to be faux-Titanic. The staircase behind is the > giveaway. > >> >Oops....forgot to answer you underpinning question. You'd wear a long >straight front corset under this. Basically you want a monobosom....not two >breasts...and slim hips. Ack! That's what I thought, and it's definately not going to happen! :] Oh well, as I said, it shall be a wonderful thing to wear for the.. oh.. Work Christmas Party.. maybe.. if I don't wear it before then :] Kris _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 23:13:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32638 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:13:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11243; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:30:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05248 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:30:49 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05239 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:30:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11560 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-133.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.133]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07840 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:30:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004e01bf2750$c9149720$50b0fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity Retro 8640 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:44:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" >-Poster: "StitchWitch" > >Yum! That sounds wonderful! I have this pattern as well, but haven't decided >if I want to make it out of velvet or silk or quilted Japanese print cotton >yet. Decisions, decisions! > >Kate I loved this pattern, too! So much that I bought it in a couple of sizes. I haven't made it yet for the same reasons as you. I guess I am waiting for the fabric to scream at me. Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 23:24:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32669 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:24:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12036; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:40:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06504 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:40:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06482 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:40:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15045 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:40:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-133.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.133]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13908 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:40:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005501bf2752$15ee3f00$50b0fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Surf the Musee de Tissus Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:53:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" >-Poster: Cynthia Barnes > > >Fabric junkies can while away a few minutes here looking at the pics of >vintage fabrics. >http://www.lyon.cci.fr/musee-des-tissus/ That was fun. Thanks Cynthia, for sharing your find. Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 23:36:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32681 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:36:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12862; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:54:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07957 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:53:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07944 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:53:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20100 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:53:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-133.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.133]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22717 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:53:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <008d01bf2754$04ede960$50b0fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: New Corset from Chivalry Sports Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:07:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" > >-Poster: Margo Anderson > >Has anyone else gotten the new Chivalry Sports Catalog yet? If so, I'd like >to hear your opinions on the "Simple Boned Corset" on page 8, which they say >"combines features of both Victorian and Elizabethan corsets making it >appropriate for wear with either genre". > >Margo Oh, yeah, isn't that the one that was cut lower than a 'wench' bodice? I was trying my darndest to figure out how it supported anything... Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 4 23:42:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32687 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:42:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13319; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:00:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08659 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:00:18 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08645 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:00:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22336 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:00:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-133.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.133]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26745 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:00:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <009d01bf2754$e7937500$50b0fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: New Corset from Chivalry Sports Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:13:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" >-Poster: Margo Anderson > >Ooh, the plot thickens... My husband just took a look at this corset and he >thought it was a BR Creation. BR is a company that markets to the "adult" >crowd, with very nicely made corsets with little attention paid to >historicality. > >Margo You mean the kind that the gals bring to your home and try to sell you like it was a Tupperwear party? I think there is a local company called "Undercover Wear." Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 02:06:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03918 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 02:06:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20844; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:23:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22313 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:23:21 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22305 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:23:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.199.45] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11jeeT-0004hZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:23:18 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991104011446.00a7ecc0@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 01:21:25 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: H-COST: waistcoat vs. weskit In-Reply-To: <009d01bf2754$e7937500$50b0fea9@gunsafes> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows What's the difference between a waistcoat and a weskit? My impression is that a waistcoat is long and 18th century, possibly as late as the Regency, whereas a weskit is what I would call a vest - shorter and Victorian or later. Which name goes with what garments? And when does one properly say 'weskit' when one sees 'waistcoat' written? Is 'waistcoat' ever pronounced like the letters indicate it ought to be pronounced? I'd like a time-frame in centuries or decades, if possible. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 06:15:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04154 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:15:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA02921; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 05:33:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08781 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 05:33:00 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA08770 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 05:32:58 -0700 (MST) From: Hhdunlap@aol.com Received: from Hhdunlap@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6XFJa01795 (4405) for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:32:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.ac3c3291.25542857@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:32:23 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Capes for Men To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 24 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 06:35:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04166 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:35:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03665; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 05:53:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10614 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 05:53:05 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10604 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 05:53:03 -0700 (MST) From: Hhdunlap@aol.com Received: from Hhdunlap@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6GXJa09316 (4405) for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:52:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.61f425f6.25542d0c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:52:28 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Capes for Men To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 24 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com Patterns for capes, coats, redingotes for men from all periods up through Edwardian. Amazon Drygoods Pattern Catalog info@amazondrygoods.com 2218 East 11th Street Davenport, Iowa 52803-3760 1-319-322-4138 Questions 1-319-322-6800 Business 1-800-798-7979 Orders 1-319-322-4003 Fax http://www.amazondrygoods.com For measuring, cutting, and tailoring instruction, see the reproductions of period tailors books for sale on line at http://www.rlshep.com. Janet Arnold's *Patterns of Fashion 3, The Cut and Construction of Slothes for Men and Women c 1560-1620*, 1985 New York: Drama Book, ISBN 089676-027-8 has patterns for one or two capes, photos of several historic ones, and patterns for other mens overgarments, robes, doublets etc. Hope H. Dunlap _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 06:39:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04175 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:39:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03909; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 05:57:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10988 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 05:56:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10983 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 05:56:57 -0700 (MST) From: Hhdunlap@aol.com Received: from Hhdunlap@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6EOKHDF6h_ (4405) for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:56:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.d44c837a.25542df6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:56:22 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Good instructions for Organ pleats To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 24 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com Drea Aleed's website has instructions. Plug her name into www.metacrawler.com and the URL should pop up immediately. Also, Janet Arnolds Patterns of Fashion 3, The Cut and Construction of Slothes for Men and Women c 1560-1620*, 1985 New York: Drama Book, ISBN 089676-027-8 has instructions. Same book published in London by Macmillan, differnent ISBN. Hope H. Dunlap _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 06:55:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04202 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:55:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04752; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:13:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA12702 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:13:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f152.hotmail.com [209.185.131.215]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA12696 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:13:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 35347 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 1999 13:12:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19991105131227.35346.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.156.3.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Nov 1999 05:12:26 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.156.3.73] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: waistcoat vs. weskit Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 05:12:26 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Not being familiar with ANYTHING prior to 1690 regarding clothing, and if I am wrong, it's probably because of this, but I am inclined to believe that the term 'weskit' was invented by the fashion industry in this century. I first started hearing it associated with 1970s crocheted vests, called 'weskits' at the time. You know, those short little things that tied in the front that we wore in grade school with mini skirts & knee boots if we grew up in that decade. As far as the pronounciation of "weskit," vs. "waistcoat," it could be a bastardization of the British pronounciation of the word "waistcoat", which, like in the word "Greenwich", often drops certain sounds that we pronounce on this side of the Atlantic. One of my MAIN barfs about the little old blue-haired ladies that volunteer at historic sites is their propensity to wear those laced, unboned "English bodices" that never existed and call them weskits. I am positively CERTAIN that this is VERY incorrect. This is just my 2c. I have never seen the word 'weskit' in *any* period writing c. 1690 - 1860s, which is my period of study. If anyone else has, please enlighten me. Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris >-Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows > >What's the difference between a waistcoat and a weskit? My impression is >that a waistcoat is long and 18th century, possibly as late as the Regency, >whereas a weskit is what I would call a vest - shorter and Victorian or >later. Which name goes with what garments? > >And when does one properly say 'weskit' when one sees 'waistcoat' written? >Is 'waistcoat' ever pronounced like the letters indicate it ought to be >pronounced? I'd like a time-frame in centuries or decades, if possible. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 07:26:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04239 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:26:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07224; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:44:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16137 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:44:21 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16117 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:44:19 -0700 (MST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6VOYa11406 (3874) for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:43:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.818ad55f.2554390d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:43:41 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Capes for Men To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com Sherlock Holmes actually wore an Inverness, which is a coat but with a cape instead of sleeves. As for a basic long cape, there are should be at least one women's pattern among the "Big Three" pattern companies (McCall, Simplicity, Vogue/Butterick.) A friend of mine made one for a tall man using one of these, and I made one for my husband. A cape is not like a more fitted garment, so a women's pattern works fine. You can always make it longer if need be. (I have also in the past seen men's overcoat patterns. I got one several years ago. Burda, a German pattern company, often has a good assortment of men's patterns.) I haven't looked through a pattern book in a while, so I don't know what is currently available, but this is coat pattern season. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 07:29:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04243 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:29:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07475; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:47:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16467 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:47:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16461 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:47:02 -0700 (MST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6EGQa09341 (3874) for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:46:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.4a9614e0.255439b3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:46:27 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Capes for Men To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com Sorry, I just read the rest of your message. There are special linings made for warmth. Sunback (I think that is the spelling) is one. It is satin surfaced, but with a pile on the other side. You can also use an interlining, a separate layer between outer fabric and lining. But a good heavy wool coating shouldn't need too much to be toasty warm. A cape should not be too structured, either. It should flow. Also, be sure the seamstress/seamster you choose is up to the task. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 08:14:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04426 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:14:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12127; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:32:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22846 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:32:10 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pop1.cyberhighway.net (pop1.cyberhighway.net [209.161.0.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA22832 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:32:08 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199911051432.HAA22832@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 9385 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1999 07:32:03 -0700 Received: from ts26-06.boi.cyberhighway.net (HELO kathy) (209.161.8.120) by pop1.cyberhighway.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 1999 07:32:03 -0700 From: "K & J Hopkins" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Capes for Men Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:40:57 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "K & J Hopkins" I made my husband a cloak from polar fleece. Not period, but it keeps him warm & we through it over the bed at camping events. I always think of a cloak as a utilitarian garment, unless you are making to go with a specific costume. I have also known people to line with polar fleece and have something more period on the outside. Kathlene ---------- > -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com > > Sorry, I just read the rest of your message. There are special linings made > for warmth. Sunback (I think that is the spelling) is one. It is satin > surfaced, but with a pile on the other side. You can also use an > interlining, a separate layer between outer fabric and lining. But a good > heavy wool coating shouldn't need too much to be toasty warm. A cape should > not be too structured, either. It should flow. Also, be sure the > seamstress/seamster you choose is up to the task. > Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 08:14:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04430 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:14:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12126; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:32:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22845 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:32:10 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pop1.cyberhighway.net (pop1.cyberhighway.net [209.161.0.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA22824 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:32:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199911051432.HAA22824@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 9379 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1999 07:32:02 -0700 Received: from ts26-06.boi.cyberhighway.net (HELO kathy) (209.161.8.120) by pop1.cyberhighway.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 1999 07:32:02 -0700 From: "K & J Hopkins" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: waistcoat vs. weskit Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:34:12 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "K & J Hopkins" > -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" > but I am inclined to believe that > the term 'weskit' was invented by the fashion industry in this century. I > first started hearing it associated with 1970s crocheted vests, called > 'weskits' at the time. I was reading an article (alas my poor brain cannot remember where) that talked about the split in the British/English and American/English after the Revolutionary War. It seems that the British were so upset that words, for various items, changed so that they would not be mistaken for an American. Our accents were the same back then. Anyway, one of the items that was mentioned was a vest. Apparently a vest was a vest in both countries until after the War, when in England it became known as a waistcoat. There were several other items cited, but because this was costume related, it stuck. As far a 'weskit', could it be a slang term? From Scottish, Irish, Welsh, or one of the many British dialects? Kathlene _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 08:16:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04434 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:16:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12332; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:33:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA23131 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:33:54 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fargpop1.farg.uswest.net (fargpop1.farg.uswest.net [207.109.224.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA23123 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:33:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 19505 invoked by alias); 5 Nov 1999 14:33:47 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-h-costume@indra.com@fixme Received: (qmail 19499 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 1999 14:33:46 -0000 Received: from bdsl104.farg.uswest.net (HELO john) (209.181.216.104) by fargpop1.farg.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 1999 14:33:46 -0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991105083125.00975530@rrnet.com> X-Sender: baird@rrnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 08:33:46 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "J,K,S&A Baird" Subject: H-COST: waistcoat Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word is WAISTCOAT, pronounced like it's written. weskit is a vulgar pronunciation, and that spelling is not correct BTW, vulgar simply means "of the people," not nasty Kim _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 08:23:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04440 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:23:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13409; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:41:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24479 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:41:34 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from news.rdc1.tn.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24474 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:41:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by news.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991105144131.TITM25390.news.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:41:31 -0800 Message-ID: <3822EB3B.85D4F0BD@home.com> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 08:35:39 -0600 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Capes for Men References: <199911051432.HAA22832@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Kat & Kent I once made a cloak for a friend which had a shell of black cotton denim and a lining of dark gray polar fleece. In anything other than brilliant sunlight it looked just like moleskin... lovely. Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 08:35:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04457 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:35:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14703; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:52:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26119 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:51:52 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26113 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:51:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.249.161.236]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991105145148.MPVL16362.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:51:48 +0100 Message-ID: <3822EE58.32ECB7FB@post12.tele.dk> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 15:48:56 +0100 From: leif drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [da] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: 1770 mans suit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: leif drews Hello I am preparing to make a mans suit 1770 for myself. I have baught silk taffeta for the whole suit, trousers, waistcoat and jacket. Waistcoat and jacket is having embroidery with fine silk floss. Buttons is also going to be embroidered. I have started to make som samplers for the embroidery. It is very difficult to find patterns for embroidery, but i have found one that i can use. I found it in a catalog i had from a museum in Lisboa. It was embroidered on a small belt. Now i am not sure if i want to use this pattern afterall. Many jackets is embroidered with flowers. Does any of you have any sourses, books where i can se some of those embroideryes? I have made the jacket in muslin, after the book Evolution of Fashion, pattern and cut of Margot Hammilton Hill. Here i have a question about the back vent (opening split) On my jacket the vent is making an opening. Isnt this back split supposed to be closed? You can se the pattern of the embroidery at my homepage, the first below and clicks on news. Sorry about all those questions, but i would be glad if someone could help me. Bjarne -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 09:16:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04498 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:16:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19257; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:33:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03982 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:32:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from Herb-Lore.com (mail.herb-lore.com [209.141.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03972 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:32:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from Flohrschutz [207.204.223.217] by Herb-Lore.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A69815230290; Fri, 05 Nov 1999 08:32:24 -0700 Message-ID: <003201bf27ab$700aa560$d9dfcccf@Flohrschutz> From: "Heather" To: References: <199911051432.HAA22832@net.indra.com> <3822EB3B.85D4F0BD@home.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Capes for Men Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:33:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Heather" I recently made a cloak for my husband. He can't stand the cold, either. We used two wool Army blankets and lined it with a black satin-type fabric (I'm just starting to sew clothing, and it was easy!). It's so heavy I can hardly stand to wear it, but he loves it and has never complained of being cold. Heather _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 09:37:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04530 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:37:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22667; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:54:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09378 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:53:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09370 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:53:56 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6PCX0xnidT (4259) for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:53:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.8fb7920a.25545771@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:53:21 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: 1770 mans suit To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 40 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 11/05/1999 9:53:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: << On my jacket the vent is making an opening. Isnt this back split supposed to be closed? >> No, And the waistcoat is usually a different color/fabric even if the embroidery matched....usually in another color way. [IOW...if the coat is blue with white and yellow flowers, the waistcoat may be white, with the same embroidery in the blue of the coat and maybe pink instead of yellow] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 09:53:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04579 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:53:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25838; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:10:56 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14283 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:10:50 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14250 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:10:47 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6ZXY04oCm_ (4259) for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:10:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.a322f12a.25545b64@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:10:12 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: 1770 mans suit To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 40 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 11/05/1999 10:55:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: << << On my jacket the vent is making an opening. Isnt this back split supposed to be closed? >> No, >> I'm rereading your question and..... Do you mean sewn closed [No] or it hangs open. This is not an unusual problem. [Mine usually overlap at the bottom.] It's that CB seam that must be perfect! Also, the long full shirts were often pushed to the back of the breeches when tucked in. They want a big butt. This will effect the hang of the back vent. But don't listen entirely to me...I'm a mediocre tailor. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 09:54:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04583 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:54:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25803; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:10:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14203 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:10:38 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from na-ims.alcoa.com ([147.154.3.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14183 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:10:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by NA-IMS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:10:01 -0500 Message-ID: <0B3E3AA67456D311A9FC0000E889ED9847BF4C@na-dpw1.dpw.alcoa.com> From: "Fairchild, Connie E." To: "'h-costume-digest@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: Portrait of a Lady Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:01:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Fairchild, Connie E." I received a PAST TIMES gift catalog in the mail recently and on the cover is a beautifully reproduced portrait which they describe as "Portrait of a Lady in a richly embroidered dress attributed to Daniel Dumonstier (1565 - 1656). Courtesy of Sotheby's, London." This is not my period of most interest (1830's - 1840's is), but thought some of you might be interested in this portrait due to the very clear large image and detail shown, it is from the mid-chest up. The georgeous ruff (I think it's called) is incredibly done, if I knew how to make lace, I think I could look at this to make a pattern. I don't know the descriptions of the parts of the apparel to do it justice with a description, but the minute details are striking. They describe their catalog as having gifts and home accents inspired by Great Britain's past, it is a new one to me and have not seen this one before. However, I think I'll choose a couple of items just so I can get another catalog to see what they have on the next cover!! They have some medieval-style Christmas cards which have caught my interest. They have a web site www.past-times.com and on the catalog request page although they don't have the present cover, they do show a different one which was also a period portrait. No affiliation, not even a customer, yet. Connie Fairchild _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 10:21:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04661 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:21:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01373; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:38:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22505 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:38:34 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fepB.post.tele.dk (fepB.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.145]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22475 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:38:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.249.234.122]) by fepB.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991105163828.ILET386.fepB.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:38:28 +0100 Message-ID: <38230757.74E37766@post12.tele.dk> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 17:35:35 +0100 From: leif drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [da] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 1770 mans suit References: <0.8fb7920a.25545771@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: leif drews Hello Yes the back slit opends. I suppose i have to make the CB seam so that it will meet. Thanks for your reply. I had the feeling it was wrong. Do you know of any good books that shows some of the embroideryes? AlbertCat@aol.com skrev: > -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > > In a message dated 11/05/1999 9:53:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > << On my jacket the vent is making an opening. Isnt this back split > supposed to be closed? >> > > No, > > And the waistcoat is usually a different color/fabric even if the embroidery > matched....usually in another color way. [IOW...if the coat is blue with > white and yellow flowers, the waistcoat may be white, with the same > embroidery in the blue of the coat and maybe pink instead of yellow] > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 10:26:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04671 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:26:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02097; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23772 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:43:49 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fepB.post.tele.dk (fepB.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.145]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23754 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:43:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.249.234.122]) by fepB.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991105164345.IMPD386.fepB.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:43:45 +0100 Message-ID: <38230895.65B6D514@post12.tele.dk> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 17:40:53 +0100 From: leif drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [da] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: 1770 mans suit. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: leif drews I know that many have a different colour for waistcoat, but i have also seen suits where all three parts is the same colour. Besides i am planning to make an ivory waistcoat also. Am i right that the back slit musnt open slightly, but should meet? This is going to be a longtime job to make this, therefore i want it to be as correctly as posible, and i am not sattisfyed with my embroidered sampler i have to make a new one. Bjarne in Copenhagen. -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 10:31:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04677 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:31:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02615; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:48:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24909 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:48:44 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web1304.mail.yahoo.com (web1304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.154]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24895 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:48:42 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19991105170129.20444.rocketmail@web1304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.54.226.52] by web1304.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 05 Nov 1999 09:01:29 PST Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:01:29 -0800 (PST) From: Megan Irvine Subject: Re: H-COST: Capes for Men To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Megan Irvine To make a hooded cape for my husband, I adapted a pattern for a woman's cape. I can't recall the number right now, but it was a halloween costume pattern from one of the big companies--Simplicity or McCall's. The pattern was simple and easy to adjust. There were four gore pieces for the cape and one piece for the hood. I just made the gores wider and longer to accommodate my husbands measurements. You can also check this site for instructions on making your own cloak pattern. There are three different styles described here. http://www.mid-gard.demon.co.uk/midgard/resource/Cloak.html --- Joe Dunfee wrote: > > -Poster: Joe Dunfee [snip] > I have always wanted a cape for my own use. Now > that I tour with a theater > company (One Way Productions - we do one-man > biblical dramas) I will have > opportunity to wear some cold-weather gear. I went > shopping for coats today > (not alot of selection in So. Fla.) and was thinking > about a trench coat and > found nothing I liked, so... I am thinking about > hireing a local lady to sew > a cape for me. I will need to provide her with a > pattern, though. > I have spent several hours on the internet > searching for a pattern for ANY > man's coat, and come up empty handed. I even have ===== Megan Irvine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 12:52:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04906 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:52:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24011; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:09:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29566 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:08:40 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA29548 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:08:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from mamabear from [207.13.31.71] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.416) with smtp for sender: id ; Fri, 5 Nov 99 13:08:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <016e01bf27c0$b45f1ec0$0200a8c0@mamabear.stormypetrel.com> From: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Good instructions for Organ pleats Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:05:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" I must admit that I am still confused over this subject. Now I have the impression that organ pleats and cartridge pleats are the same thing....is this an accurate assumption? Carol Ross -----Original Message----- From: Hhdunlap@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Friday, November 05, 1999 6:57 AM Subject: Re: H-COST: Good instructions for Organ pleats > >-Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com > >Drea Aleed's website has instructions. Plug her name into >www.metacrawler.com and the URL should pop up immediately. > >Also, Janet Arnolds Patterns of Fashion 3, The Cut and Construction of >Slothes for Men and Women c 1560-1620*, 1985 New York: Drama Book, ISBN >089676-027-8 has instructions. Same book published in London by Macmillan, >differnent ISBN. > >Hope H. Dunlap > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 13:11:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04943 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:11:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26945; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:29:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04290 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:29:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from scl-viruswall.phoenix.com (scl-viruswall.phoenix.com [134.122.11.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA04275 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:29:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from 134.122.11.5 by scl-viruswall.phoenix.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 05 Nov 1999 11:29:10 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:29:00 -0800 Message-ID: <1F176F2C2977D311B3300090270E63782F185C@scl-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: H-COST: Re: 1770 man's suit Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:28:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cynthia Barnes >Do you know of any good books that shows some of the embroideryes? For real color photos of real stuff: Catalog from the Musee de la Mode in Paris. Set of 5+ Catalogs from the "Costumi Storici" at the Pitti Palace in Florence Catalog from the Kyoto Museum, 1989 French centennial exhibit Catalog from the Musee de Tissus in Lyon Catalog from the V&A - 400 Years of Fashion Catalog from the Bath Museum of Costume Modes et Revolutions Revolution in Fashion Both of these have the same name "Art of Fashion" ? "Art of Costume"?? Ashelford's book that covers about 1500 to WWI Dr Eileen Riberia's 18thc book Happy hunting, Bjarne, --cin Cynthia Barnes 408.570.1023 Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com Phoenix Technologies 411 E. Plumeria Dr. San Jose CA 95134 "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 13:18:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04955 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:18:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27770; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:35:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05582 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:35:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay2.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay2.core.theplanet.net [194.152.65.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05570 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from modem86.tweety.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.214] helo=herimats) by mailrelay2.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11jp8R-0002nF-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:34:56 +0000 Message-ID: <006501bf27c4$e6b925b0$d6065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <0B3E3AA67456D311A9FC0000E889ED9847BF4C@na-dpw1.dpw.alcoa.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Portrait of a Lady PastTimes Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:34:46 -0000 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "LDMundy" ----- Original Message ----- > -Poster: "Fairchild, Connie E." > > They describe their catalog as having gifts and home accents inspired by > Great Britain's past, it is a new one to me and have not seen this one > before. However, I think I'll choose a couple of items just so I can get > another catalog to see what they have on the next cover!! They have some > medieval-style Christmas cards which have caught my interest. > Connie, Past Times now have retail outlets in the important townes of the UK; I regularly visit both Stratford and Birmingham Pavilions( a mall). Amongst many of the joys is that they have a reduced area where you can get things for a very large reduction on the original price. Wow; a nightgown only has to have a button missing and be an overlarge size and it seems to show up on the rail with a third off. Also by till they often have a box of small things with bits missing- last week there was a quizzing glass which had lost a stone and was about half price. They also have a club like arrangement and members get invited to special presentations of new stock etc There were planning to open a branch or two in the US but I dont know if they did. It may be woth checking. However if you ever get a chance to visit do; the Christmas stuff they have is magic a lot is Dickensian. I dont know if I would ever dare to turn up to a re-enactment in the crushed velvet medieval tunic I bought (garb snark heaven) but its great for parties. The thing that I highly recommend - I use it for gifts every year - is the Medieval Woman Calendar; Although as it is published by Workman of NY, maybe its better to buy somewhere else than shipping them back across the Atlantic. If there is ever anything you want me to go and check out before you send for it let me know and I will have a look at the quality etc. No problem as I have to go to Culpepers Herbal which is on the floor above at Pavilions to get my organic apple juice, every week. Dave +++++++++ Heritage Matters _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 13:51:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04991 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:51:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02235; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:06:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12472 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:06:34 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12456 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:06:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.167.66.152] (sdts11-152.znet.net [207.167.66.152]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with ESMTP id MAA13981 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:06:30 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-From: savaskan@sd.znet.com X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.d44c837a.25542df6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:05:47 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: Re: H-COST: Good instructions for Organ pleats Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Julie Adams >-Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com > >Drea Aleed's website has instructions. Plug her name into >www.metacrawler.com and the URL should pop up immediately. > >Also, Janet Arnolds Patterns of Fashion 3, The Cut and Construction of >Slothes for Men and Women c 1560-1620*, 1985 New York: Drama Book, ISBN >089676-027-8 has instructions. Same book published in London by Macmillan, >differnent ISBN. No. They both have instructions for cartridge pleats. Cartridge pleats are different than Organ Pipe Pleats. As I wrote before, there are instructions on the pattern draft in Blanche Payne's History of Costume First Edition. Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 14:06:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05208 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:06:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04441; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:21:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15701 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:20:53 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from wilma.widomaker.com (smtp@wilma.widomaker.com [204.17.220.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15677 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:20:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.96.185.103] by wilma.widomaker.com with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for h-costume@indra.com id 11jpqq-0006Lq-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:20:49 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19991105201716.00754280@widomaker.com> X-Sender: rcarnegie@widomaker.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 15:17:16 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: H-COST: waistcoat vs. weskit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Ron Carnegie At 07:34 AM 11/5/99 -0700, you wrote: > >-Poster: "K & J Hopkins" > > >> -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" >> but I am inclined to believe that >> the term 'weskit' was invented by the fashion industry in this century. >I >> first started hearing it associated with 1970s crocheted vests, called >> 'weskits' at the time. > >I was reading an article (alas my poor brain cannot remember where) that >talked about the split in the British/English and American/English after >the Revolutionary War. It seems that the British were so upset that words, >for various items, changed so that they would not be mistaken for an >American. Our accents were the same back then. Anyway, one of the items >that was mentioned was a vest. Apparently a vest was a vest in both >countries until after the War, when in England it became known as a >waistcoat. There were several other items cited, but because this was >costume related, it stuck. > >As far a 'weskit', could it be a slang term? From Scottish, Irish, Welsh, >or one of the many British dialects? > >Kathlene The use of the word waistcoat far predates the seperation of these colonies from Great Britain. It was also in frequent use here in the US before that time. Cheers, Ron Carnegie rcarnegie@widomaker.com ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 15:28:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05558 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:27:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16482; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:43:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06584 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:42:54 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from green.up.lib.mi.us (green.up.lib.mi.us [198.108.240.254]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06570 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:42:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from Default (pm219-05.dialip.mich.net [198.110.153.15]) by green.up.lib.mi.us (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id PAA01773 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:37:14 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:37:14 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199911052137.PAA01773@green.up.lib.mi.us> X-Sender: speerj@mid-pen.lib.mi.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Jessica Speer Subject: H-COST: Re: Man's Cape Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Jessica Speer I'm new to the list, and uncertain That I belong. I'm involved witth a 1900-1920 Mining location (miner's housing). I just bought Simplicity 7438, a cape in 3 lengths, for myself, I've always wanted one, who knows where I'll wear it. I'm a weaver and I will make the fabric, Many handdyed shades of blue, green and purple. Anyway, I see no reason why it wouldn't make a man's cape, view A or B, with B's collar, A has a hood. Jess _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 15:40:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05586 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:40:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18656; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:56:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09737 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:56:28 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09725 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:56:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991105215624.QUXC16527.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:56:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 13:58:42 -0800 Subject: Re: H-COST: waistcoat vs. weskit From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991105215624.QUXC16527.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "R.L. Shep" I have never seen this spelling - not that it might not exist. But the English often pronounce words differently than we do. Certainly people in much of London pronounce *waistcoat* *weskit*. They also pronouce *Tottingham* *Tutnum* as in Tottingham Court Road. I say this having gone to school and lived in London for some 3 years. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com ---------- >From: Ron Carnegie >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: waistcoat vs. weskit >Date: Fri, Nov 5, 1999, 12:17 PM > > >-Poster: Ron Carnegie > >At 07:34 AM 11/5/99 -0700, you wrote: >> >>-Poster: "K & J Hopkins" >> >> >>> -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" >>> but I am inclined to believe that >>> the term 'weskit' was invented by the fashion industry in this century. >>I >>> first started hearing it associated with 1970s crocheted vests, called >>> 'weskits' at the time. >> >>I was reading an article (alas my poor brain cannot remember where) that >>talked about the split in the British/English and American/English after >>the Revolutionary War. It seems that the British were so upset that words, >>for various items, changed so that they would not be mistaken for an >>American. Our accents were the same back then. Anyway, one of the items >>that was mentioned was a vest. Apparently a vest was a vest in both >>countries until after the War, when in England it became known as a >>waistcoat. There were several other items cited, but because this was >>costume related, it stuck. >> >>As far a 'weskit', could it be a slang term? From Scottish, Irish, Welsh, >>or one of the many British dialects? >> >>Kathlene > > The use of the word waistcoat far predates the seperation of these >colonies from Great Britain. It was also in frequent use here in the US >before that time. > >Cheers, >Ron Carnegie >rcarnegie@widomaker.com > ************************************************* > "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that > once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked > other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking > their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now > all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we > ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." > G.M. Trevelyan > ************************************************* > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 17:02:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05762 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:02:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29342; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:17:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29788 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:17:39 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29776 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:17:37 -0700 (MST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6YMK.zyQG_ (4357) for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:17:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.5298da25.2554bf6e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:17:02 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: 1770 mans suit To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com Remember men's coats were designed for horseback riding. Even if they were not going to be worn for that, there was a vent or slit (still is, actually.) Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 17:36:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05840 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:36:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03717; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:52:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07284 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:52:25 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.shadow.net (mail.shadow.net [204.177.71.231]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07264 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:52:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from joedunfe (ip111.margate.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.14.96.111]) by mail.shadow.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA10655 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:52:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19991106000055.00932c7c@shadow.net> X-Sender: jdunfee@shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 19:00:55 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joe Dunfee Subject: Re: H-COST: Capes for Men Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Joe Dunfee Thank you all for your great response to my inquiry. I didn't expect it to be so much and so fast. You all are an enthuasistic bunch. Joe Dunfee, joe@dunfee.com Fort Lauderdale, Florida USA _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 17:47:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05854 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:47:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05055; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09792 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:03:52 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1 ([204.86.241.250]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09783 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:03:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail1 with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.00.28 AS-1409036) for at Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:54:34 -0800 Received: by hhsmail.dhhs.co.sacramento.ca.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:01:47 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Bergdahl, Stephen" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Capes for Men Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:01:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Bergdahl, Stephen" Joe Not enthusiastic, just bored or obsessed. GRIN :) Stephen Bergdahl -----Original Message----- From: Joe Dunfee [mailto:joe@dunfee.com] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 4:01 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Capes for Men -Poster: Joe Dunfee Thank you all for your great response to my inquiry. I didn't expect it to be so much and so fast. You all are an enthuasistic bunch. Joe Dunfee, joe@dunfee.com Fort Lauderdale, Florida USA _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 17:54:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05862 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:54:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06064; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:11:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11253 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:11:11 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (mc-qout4.whowhere.com [209.185.123.18]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA11246 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:11:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by hotbot.com; Fri Nov 5 16:10:32 1999 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 16:10:32 -0800 From: " Firefly" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: H-COST: 1770 mans suit X-Sender-Ip: 205.188.197.171 Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: " Firefly" Hi Leif, I've missed you! I'm glad you're back online again! I'm not much of an expert on 18th century clothes, but I do have a page posted to my website that includes pictures from an exhibit on this that I saw last winter. Many of the pieces are closeups of embroidery to men's clothing, so it should be helpful. To go directly to this page go to... http://pages.hotbot.com/travel/fire.fly/18thcent.html Good luck! Mary --- Visit my homepage: http://pages.hotbot.com/travel/fire.fly On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 17:35:35 leif drews wrote: > >-Poster: leif drews > >Hello > >Yes the back slit opends. I suppose i have to make the CB seam so that it will >meet. >Thanks for your reply. I had the feeling it was wrong. >Do you know of any good books that shows some of the embroideryes? > >AlbertCat@aol.com skrev: > >> -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com >> >> In a message dated 11/05/1999 9:53:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, >> drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: >> >> << On my jacket the vent is making an opening. Isnt this back split >> supposed to be closed? >> >> >> No, >> >> And the waistcoat is usually a different color/fabric even if the embroidery >> matched....usually in another color way. [IOW...if the coat is blue with >> white and yellow flowers, the waistcoat may be white, with the same >> embroidery in the blue of the coat and maybe pink instead of yellow] >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > >-- > > >Leif Drews >Eboulevard 5, 3 th >1635 Kxbenhavn V > >Bjarne Drews >Eboulevard 5,3.th >1635 Kxbenhavn V > >tlf. 35 37 13 70 > >Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > >Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 18:10:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05888 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:10:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07815; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:26:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14069 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:25:54 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14058 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:25:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-61-1.s1.tnt1.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.61.1]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id TAA10567 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:25:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <011a01bf27ed$e975b100$013daccf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Advice Needed Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:28:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" This is a detailed description of a gown, but I need to provide the details, to obtain your advice. I have several questions after the description of the dress and I would really apprieciate your advice. Well, I am all excited... my daughter is making her first communion in May and we are almost to the needlepoint stage of the dress. We have been planning on the making of this dress for two years. We are going over board on the dress because this is my only daughter and the last of my six kids. Three of my best friends, one is her Godmother, and I will be making the dress. We plan on her having a late Victorian style little girl's dress but floor length. Since three of us do cross stitch, we will each be stitching a panel of her dress. The fourth person will be purchasing the fabric. I wanted to place big cross stitched angels on the panels of the skirt. For a year, I have been searching for the patterns for the angels. I wanted each angel to be different to reflect the stitcher. Today, I finally found the patterns for the angels . The company that made the cross stitch design is Lavender and Lace Victorian Designs. The largest angel will be on the front panel, she will be finished 10" by 17" tall. She has a white dress with a blue stole, gold ribbon, and a red flowered trim near the bottom of her dress. BTW, her hair is red. The second and third angels for the back panels mirror one another, but have different accent colors. The angels are floating sideways. They each measure 14" by 16". The right side angel is carrying a garland of dark green and light pink. Her accent colors are rose and tans with a light pink polka dotted dress. She has blonde hair. The left side angel is playing a mandolin, strawberry blonde hair, antique blue over dress, lavender stole and lavender polka dotted dress. The bottom of the dress has bouquets of pink roses. All the angels dresses are based white and have white wings. Now for your advice or opinions....please... We want to cross stitch the angels on linen. Can linen be bought in another color than white? White is the tradition colors little girls wear for communion dresses, but I can use pastels. We want to use linen for the dress . Would linen be a good choice fabric for a first communion dress? Does linen come in other colors than white? We want the angels to stay out on the dress. Can you suggest another color for the dress than white, knowing the colors of the angels? Can linen be dyed? One of my friends suggested to tea dye the linen to give it an antique look. Is this possible? And would it contrast the angels enough? Has someone done this and does the color turn out even? What is the price range for good linen per yard? Your thoughts and advice are very much appreciated. Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 18:27:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05898 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:27:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09389; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:43:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16670 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:43:15 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from duval.se.mediaone.net (duval.se.mediaone.net [24.129.0.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16661 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:43:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.se.mediaone.net (tamw74-177.pompano.net [24.129.74.177]) by duval.se.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA27842 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:43:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Andy Oppenheim" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Capes for Men Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:41:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19991106000055.00932c7c@shadow.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Andy Oppenheim" Joe also try this url. http://www.mid-gard.demon.co.uk/midgard/resource/Cloak.html If you need help. E-mail me privately laguz@mediaone.net . I am in tamarac -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Joe Dunfee Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 7:01 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Capes for Men -Poster: Joe Dunfee Thank you all for your great response to my inquiry. I didn't expect it to be so much and so fast. You all are an enthuasistic bunch. Joe Dunfee, joe@dunfee.com Fort Lauderdale, Florida USA _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 19:18:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05943 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:18:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13638; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:34:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24128 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:34:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24113 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:34:28 -0700 (MST) From: DDunker@aol.com Received: from DDunker@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6IGG0L04Cs (3967) for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:34:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.aa45d584.2554df8e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:34:06 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Capes for Men To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 27 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: DDunker@aol.com Simplicity 7781 goes up to size 32, so the cape should fit a lot of men. Darla _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 20:05:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05987 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:05:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17573; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:22:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00398 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:22:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00391 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:22:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from modem19.fred.pol.co.uk ([195.92.7.147] helo=herimats) by mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11jvUN-0007vv-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 02:22:01 +0000 Message-ID: <001701bf27fd$c50e96a0$93075cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <19991105215624.QUXC16527.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Subject: Re: H-COST: waistcoat vs. weskit Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 02:21:46 -0000 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "LDMundy" "R.L. Shep" > > I have never seen this spelling - not that it might not exist. But the > English often pronounce words differently than we do. > Certainly people in much of London pronounce *waistcoat* *weskit*. > They also pronouce *Tottingham* *Tutnum* as in Tottingham Court Road. > I say this having gone to school and lived in London for some 3 years. > ~!~ R.L.Shep > http://www.rlshep.com > Sorry Robb, I try to avoid correcting people but---- Its Tottenham as in Hotpurs; However them southerners are a funny breed; I once got some advice from a shop assistant in Catford, and spent a whole week trying to buy some "Batten" thread when she had meant " button thread" The weskit in the the Northern areas Lancs/Yorks pronunciation "Weztkot" where it is a " kot" that only reaches down to the "Wezt" -the fat bit half way up the body . There is also a "Noverkot" and a "renkot". its a halfway between a long and short "o" But then I am sure I will raise some disagreement I have a very funny poem written by my late father-in-law ( a famous Lancashire dialect poet) about a waistcoat; I shall try and dig it out. Evidently southerners insist that their waistcoats have only a showy front with two pockets or more with a satiny back complete with a strange adjustment device;and it is used as an adjunct to a suit and used for storing things like watches and thumbs. Northerners have waistcoats that are the same material back and front and were often used as warming garment when the arms were required to be free ( to grab passing sheep) so the back part was important to keep the back warm in those terrible northern winds. I was force to wear one of these with a dozen buttons as a compulsory part of my school uniform; Traditionally Londoners wore waistcoats with bowler hats;never with a flat cap. The nort south divide also had different styles of these; Five panels in the north, only four in the south until the advent of the single ; midlanders would not wear a cap without a button; BTB My friend got your most excellent books a week or so ago and is absolutely over the moon; however it seems I may have to buy my own as any borrowing must be several months down the line; Dave _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 20:16:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06011 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:16:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18610; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:32:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01677 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:32:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from apollo.directcon.net (IDENT:root@apollo.directcon.net [206.170.184.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01660 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:32:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p3.directcon.net [206.170.184.102]) by apollo.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA22075 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:31:07 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:31:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199911060231.SAA22075@apollo.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Advice Needed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Margo Anderson Penny, are you familiar with the magazine Sew Beautiful? It's about heirloom sewing, and has many many ads for fabrics and notions, including pastel linens. Also lots of information and design ideas for communion dresses. Margo (who is jealous because she only has boys) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 20:37:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06045 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:37:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20269; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:53:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04238 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:53:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04229 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:53:27 -0700 (MST) From: Hhdunlap@aol.com Received: from Hhdunlap@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6RTGa04501 (4454) for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:52:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.d2b9beed.2554f205@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:52:53 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Good instructions for Organ pleats To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 24 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com I read your note too hastily. The references I gave were good for cartridge pleats, not organ pleats. Can anyone else help with a reference for organ pleats? Hope H. Dunlap _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 21:35:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06122 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:35:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26301; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:52:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10710 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:51:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10704 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:51:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([63.28.161.63]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19991106035118.BQWD3356@worldnet.att.net> for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 03:51:18 +0000 Message-ID: <3823A5FA.42DAD129@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 19:52:26 -0800 From: Carolyn Richardson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WNS2.5 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Advice Needed References: <011a01bf27ed$e975b100$013daccf@e4c2n6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Richardson Margo's advice to pick up a copy of Sew Beautiful is a good one. You might also try talking to Joady at Hedgehog Handworks - I've bought some lovely unbleached linen from her, and I know she'll provide any color you like. The Lavendar and Lace cross stich patterns are lovely, aren't they? I'm working on one (off and on) myself. Carolyn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 21:46:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06136 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:46:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26872; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:58:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11350 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:58:31 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11343 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:58:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([63.28.161.63]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19991106035755.BTJI3356@worldnet.att.net> for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 03:57:55 +0000 Message-ID: <3823A788.1C90D955@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 19:59:04 -0800 From: Carolyn Richardson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WNS2.5 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: An Elegant Art Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Richardson Is anybody on the list looking for a copy of this book? I saw one at an antique store today for $30, in excellent condition. It didn't even look like the spine had hardly been creased. If you're interested email me privately. First one in gets it. I imagine shipping could be handled priority mail ($3.20). Carolyn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 5 22:38:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06198 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:38:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02700; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:55:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17991 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:55:06 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from prserv.net (out5.prserv.net [165.87.194.243]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17982 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:55:04 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199911060455.VAA17982@net.indra.com> Received: from ibm.net ([129.37.165.34]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <19991106045502243031d4d0e>; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 04:55:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:52:59 -0500 From: Hilary Doda To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Titanic outfits X-Mailer: Hilary Doda's registered AK-Mail 3.0b [eng] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hilary Doda I'm trying to get a head start on next year's Hallowe'en (!) costumes, 'cause I'm sick of grabbing an ID badge with a suit and going as Scully yet again. My SO and I have decided to go as Titanic Zombies, so I need to find a pattern for a dress that I can make for myself. Now the minimal amount that I know about the time period is that slender was in -- the longline corsets, and empire waists. How far off am I? I am very short-waisted and short-rised, with a large waist-hip differential and a decent-sized bust. Which means that almost nothing fits. :} What styles of the time would be appropriate? What might fit? Empire waists are very out of the question. I know that I'm asking for a lot... I appreciate any help that I can get! Hilary Doda. ***************************************** Please note that as of October 1st, my e-mail address will be vaqqa@attglobal.net. The old address will continue to operate simultaneously until October 1st 2000. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 6 00:29:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06324 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:29:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13576; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:45:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28581 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:45:18 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.130]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28576 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:45:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from Porb (vandial90.lightspeed.bc.ca [204.244.233.90]) by ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA21334 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:34:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991105224643.007b8100@antir.com> X-Sender: i.wonder@antir.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 22:46:43 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kris Subject: Re: H-COST: Titanic outfits In-Reply-To: <199911060455.VAA17982@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Kris >-Poster: Hilary Doda > >and going as Scully yet again. My SO and I have decided to >go as Titanic Zombies, so I need to find a pattern for a >dress that I can make for myself. Now the minimal amount that >I am very short-waisted and short-rised, with a large >waist-hip differential and a decent-sized bust. Which means >that almost nothing fits. :} What styles of the time would >be appropriate? What might fit? Empire waists are very out >of the question. Oh! oh! what about the simplicity retro design I'm making! #8640.. http://simplicity.com/853/8640.htm It fits generous hips & bust (I should know :] ) and you can shorten the back-waist to make it fiit better, and it has a belt , so it won't bag out too much at the waist. If you like it, it's really easy to put together... And it's flattering for more.. curvy figures. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 6 11:04:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10508 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:04:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03644; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:19:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24979 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:19:22 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24970 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:19:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.249.164.9]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991106171918.OBYA16362.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:19:18 +0100 Message-ID: <38246267.685DEF03@post12.tele.dk> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 18:16:23 +0100 From: leif drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [da] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 1770 mans suit References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: leif drews Dear Firefly I just visited your exhibition pages and had a look on the embroidered mans suit. Whow here really is something to look up to. If i practised from now and till about 10 years from now, i might do similar work. Very impressive i must say, Thanks for the help. Bjarne. Firefly skrev: > -Poster: " Firefly" > > Hi Leif, > > I've missed you! I'm glad you're back online again! > > I'm not much of an expert on 18th century clothes, but I do have a page posted to my website that includes pictures from an exhibit on this that I saw last winter. Many of the pieces are closeups of embroidery to men's clothing, so it should be helpful. To go directly to this page go to... > > http://pages.hotbot.com/travel/fire.fly/18thcent.html > > Good luck! > > Mary > --- > Visit my homepage: > http://pages.hotbot.com/travel/fire.fly > > On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 17:35:35 leif drews wrote: > > > >-Poster: leif drews > > > >Hello > > > >Yes the back slit opends. I suppose i have to make the CB seam so that it will > >meet. > >Thanks for your reply. I had the feeling it was wrong. > >Do you know of any good books that shows some of the embroideryes? > > > >AlbertCat@aol.com skrev: > > > >> -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > >> > >> In a message dated 11/05/1999 9:53:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, > >> drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > >> > >> << On my jacket the vent is making an opening. Isnt this back split > >> supposed to be closed? >> > >> > >> No, > >> > >> And the waistcoat is usually a different color/fabric even if the embroidery > >> matched....usually in another color way. [IOW...if the coat is blue with > >> white and yellow flowers, the waistcoat may be white, with the same > >> embroidery in the blue of the coat and maybe pink instead of yellow] > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > >Leif Drews > >Eboulevard 5, 3 th > >1635 Kxbenhavn V > > > >Bjarne Drews > >Eboulevard 5,3.th > >1635 Kxbenhavn V > > > >tlf. 35 37 13 70 > > > >Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > > > >Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > HotBot - Search smarter. > http://www.hotbot.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 6 11:49:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10547 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:49:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08602; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:05:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00430 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:05:28 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00424 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:05:27 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6HOUa21164 (4002) for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:04:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.b259ca09.2555c7c5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:04:53 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: 1770 mans suit To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 40 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 11/06/1999 12:20:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: << Dear Firefly I just visited your exhibition pages and had a look on the embroidered mans suit. Whow here really is something to look up to. If i practised from now and till about 10 years from now, i might do similar work. Very impressive i must say, Thanks for the help. Bjarne. >> You must trot down to the local library or book store and get "The Revolution In Fashion". There's a whole room full of these suits....with close-ups.....in it. Not to mention other waistcoats & women's embroidered things. Besides....this is a good book to own [out of print at the moment] even if one isn't interested in clothes. It's just one of the most fascinating & beautiful books there are. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 6 11:59:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10563 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:59:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09734; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01777 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:15:56 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fepB.post.tele.dk (fepB.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.145]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01770 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:15:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.249.230.156]) by fepB.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991106181552.MQJG386.fepB.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:15:52 +0100 Message-ID: <38246FA9.425C4C2A@post12.tele.dk> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 19:12:58 +0100 From: leif drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [da] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 1770 mans suit References: <0.b259ca09.2555c7c5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: leif drews Could you please inform me the name of the publisher and author? I must save it til later, hopefully they will reprint it!! Thankyou eaver so much for this lovely thing Bjarne. AlbertCat@aol.com skrev: > -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > > In a message dated 11/06/1999 12:20:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > << Dear Firefly > I just visited your exhibition pages and had a look on the embroidered mans > suit. > Whow here really is something to look up to. If i practised from now and > till about 10 years from now, i might do similar work. Very impressive i must > say, > Thanks for the help. > Bjarne. >> > > You must trot down to the local library or book store and get "The Revolution > In Fashion". There's a whole room full of these suits....with > close-ups.....in it. Not to mention other waistcoats & women's embroidered > things. > > Besides....this is a good book to own [out of print at the moment] even if > one isn't interested in clothes. It's just one of the most fascinating & > beautiful books there are. > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 6 12:54:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10654 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:54:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15023; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:10:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08888 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:10:25 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08880 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:10:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14202 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:10:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-211.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.211]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17981 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:10:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002601bf288c$7a45f200$2b96fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: References: <011a01bf27ed$e975b100$013daccf@e4c2n6> Subject: Re: H-COST: Advice Needed Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:23:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" > > -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" >White is the tradition colors little girls wear for > communion dresses, but I can use pastels. > Does linen come in other colors than white Can linen be dyed? > One of my friends suggested to tea dye the linen to give it an antique look. > Is this possible? And would it contrast the angels enough? Has someone done > this and does the color turn out even? > > Later... Penny > http://www.costumegallery.com I know Margo covered most of your questions already but I am concerned about one thing. Linen doesn't hold its color. It fades fairly rapidly. I would hate to see you go through all the work of crossstiching those angels and then the gown doesn't last. Linen comes in 'natural' and if I were in your place, I would buy that. It would give you something similar to the 'tea dye' as your friend suggested, without the risk of color fade. Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 6 13:13:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10688 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:13:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17178; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:30:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11044 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:30:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fargpop1.farg.uswest.net (fargpop1.farg.uswest.net [207.109.224.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA11017 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:29:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 4178 invoked by alias); 6 Nov 1999 19:29:59 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-h-costume@indra.com@fixme Received: (qmail 4172 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 1999 19:29:58 -0000 Received: from bdsl104.farg.uswest.net (HELO john) (209.181.216.104) by fargpop1.farg.uswest.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 1999 19:29:58 -0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991106132823.00abbcf0@rrnet.com> X-Sender: baird@rrnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 13:29:58 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "J,K,S&A Baird" Subject: Re: H-COST: Advice Needed In-Reply-To: <002601bf288c$7a45f200$2b96fea9@gunsafes> References: <011a01bf27ed$e975b100$013daccf@e4c2n6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" >Linen doesn't hold its color. It fades fairly rapidly. >Michelle What? Explain please. Never heard of a problem before. What kind of dye fades on linen? Kim _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 6 18:08:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10987 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:08:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21022; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:25:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12744 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:24:12 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta1-svc.virgin.net (mta1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.142]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12737 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:24:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.123.2]) by mta1-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19991107002453.PKWO22237.mta1-svc@LOCALNAME> for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 00:24:53 +0000 Message-ID: <38253B34.38AB@virgin.net> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 00:41:25 -0800 From: Dawn Organization: ages of elegance (http://www.ageofelegance.dabsol.co.uk) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN712-000 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 1770 mans suit References: <0.b259ca09.2555c7c5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Dawn AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > > In a message dated 11/06/1999 12:20:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > << Dear Firefly > I just visited your exhibition pages and had a look on the embroidered mans > suit. > Whow here really is something to look up to. If i practised from now and > till about 10 years from now, i might do similar work. Very impressive i must > say, > Thanks for the help. > Bjarne. >> > > You must trot down to the local library or book store and get "The Revolution > In Fashion". There's a whole room full of these suits....with > close-ups.....in it. Not to mention other waistcoats & women's embroidered > things. > > Besides....this is a good book to own [out of print at the moment] even if > one isn't interested in clothes. It's just one of the most fascinating & > beautiful books there are. I couldn't agree mor. I got it when it first came out and it came with me everywhere as well as essential bedtime reading. It's also my first port of call for anything georgian particualrly the men's. The aim is to make All the garments in it. Perhaps when I'm old and grey and I don't have to sew for a living. Dawn > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 6 18:43:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11072 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:43:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24350; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:00:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16617 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:59:56 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16608 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:59:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from [166.70.12.159] (helo=[166.70.12.159]) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11kGgT-0007Pe-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:59:53 -0700 X-Sender: Francesca.da.Bari@pop.netaddress.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <381F615D.EAFB2776@home.com> References: <0.bc1e6c47.25509043@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:11:58 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Karalee Larsen Pugmire Subject: Re: H-COST: hallowe'en Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Karalee Larsen Pugmire >> Luckily for me there aren't many of these types where I live so we've >> had a fun holliday and my high functioning autistic daughter finally >> got it this year and had a great time screaming Trick or Treat. It's >> taken her three years. She loves dressing up too so this holliday was >> particularly exciting for her. > >That's wonderful!!! What did she wear? (Sorry been off line for a day or two) She actually got interested in pumpkins and jackolanterns as people were puting out their decorations. So I made her a jackolantern costume with a hat (the hat being the most important part of course in her eyes). I used the McCall's pattern as the base but put my own face on it since I didn't like their faces. She still gets into it and plays in it even a week later. She says that she is a prince pumpkin when she wears the hat. For the party we took her to a week before I hadn't had time to finish her costume so she went in an SCA dress with a crown and cape as a princess which was fine with her since in a single day she will change persona and accompanying costume up to five times. Francesca da Bari Cote du Ciel (Logan, Utah) Francesca.da.Bari _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 7 00:39:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11441 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 00:39:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04867; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:56:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21539 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:55:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21525 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:55:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16804 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:55:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-138.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.138]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10921 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:55:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000901bf28ef$0c67fea0$5cfafea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: References: <011a01bf27ed$e975b100$013daccf@e4c2n6> <4.2.0.58.19991106132823.00abbcf0@rrnet.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Advice Needed Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:09:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" > > -Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" > > >Linen doesn't hold its color. It fades fairly rapidly. > >Michelle > > > What? Explain please. Never heard of a problem before. What kind of dye > fades on linen? > > Kim Well, I don't know why...Two times I have had some colorful linen. The first was a warmly rich apricot color. I prewashed it and it faded, a lot. Then for some reason, I had to wash it a second time. It is now a peach color. It lost all its vibrance and it is pale. Because of that, I haven't bothered making anything with it. I am afraid that with a few more washings, it might end up off white. The other piece was turquoise. Again, this was fairly vibrant, until I washed it. I made a skirt for someone with the express order, hand wash cold only if neccessary. Both pieces were remnants and it could have been a problem with the dye. I have no idea. I just know how disappointed I was, especially with the apricot. Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 7 06:16:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15350 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 06:16:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA20030; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 05:33:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12351 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 05:32:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fepB.post.tele.dk (fepB.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.145]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA12345 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 05:32:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.249.162.56]) by fepB.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991107123247.PFHO386.fepB.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:32:47 +0100 Message-ID: <38257096.748C53BC@post12.tele.dk> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 13:29:10 +0100 From: leif drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [da] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: buttons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: leif drews Hello Was there anybody who could give me an adress where i could find material to make flat buttons in fabric. They must be flat and not curved, as they were in the 18th.century. I would prefer an english supplier as i live in Denmak, but if possible i could order them from USA. I discovered that those i used are curved, and this is not period correct. I have embroidered a button with silkfloss and seaquins, i am using it for my costume from 1770. Thanks for the help! Bjarne -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 7 09:37:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15488 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:37:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01176; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 08:53:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29038 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 08:53:27 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from eclipse.pacifier.com (eclipse.pacifier.com [199.2.117.78]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29031 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 08:53:26 -0700 (MST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip224.van18.pacifier.com [216.65.137.224]) by eclipse.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.3pop) with SMTP id HAA28710 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 07:53:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911071553.HAA28710@eclipse.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 07:55:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: buttons Priority: normal In-reply-to: <38257096.748C53BC@post12.tele.dk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > Was there anybody who could give me an adress where i could find > material to make flat buttons in fabric. > They must be flat and not curved, as they were in the 18th.century. > I would prefer an english supplier as i live in Denmak, but if possible > i could order them from USA. How about using a flat washer. It would be cheap and would be flat. Of course, it wouldn't be two piece, but it would look like some of the buttons I've seen (although they were not necessarily 18th Century.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 7 09:37:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15492 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:37:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01171; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 08:53:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29033 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 08:53:27 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from eclipse.pacifier.com (eclipse.pacifier.com [199.2.117.78]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29024 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 08:53:25 -0700 (MST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip224.van18.pacifier.com [216.65.137.224]) by eclipse.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.3pop) with SMTP id HAA28695 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 07:53:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911071553.HAA28695@eclipse.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 07:55:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: Advice Needed Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000901bf28ef$0c67fea0$5cfafea9@gunsafes> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > Well, I don't know why...Two times I have had some colorful linen. > The first was a warmly rich apricot color. I prewashed it and it > faded, a lot. Then for some reason, I had to wash it a second time. It is > now a peach color. It lost all its vibrance and it is pale. Because of > that, I haven't bothered making anything with it. I am afraid that with a > few more washings, it might end up off white. > The other piece was turquoise. Again, this was fairly vibrant, until > I washed it. I made a skirt for someone with the express order, hand wash > cold only if neccessary. > Both pieces were remnants and it could have been a problem with the dye. > I have no idea. I just know how disappointed I was, especially with the > apricot. How odd. I really like linen. I've got bright red, bright blue and bright purple dresses made of it. I wash them in the regular washing machine all the time and none have ever faded. I suspect that you are right about why they faded. It could be that they were in the sale/remnant area because the dye was bad. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 7 09:46:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15499 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:46:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01761; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:03:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29961 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:03:12 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29955 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:03:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.249.228.143]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991107160309.PRQO16362.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:03:09 +0100 Message-ID: <3825A20D.599360A5@post12.tele.dk> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 17:00:13 +0100 From: leif drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [da] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: buttons References: <199911071553.HAA28710@eclipse.pacifier.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: leif drews What is a flat washer? kat@grendal.rain.com skrev: > -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > > > Was there anybody who could give me an adress where i could find > > material to make flat buttons in fabric. > > They must be flat and not curved, as they were in the 18th.century. > > I would prefer an english supplier as i live in Denmak, but if possible > > i could order them from USA. > > How about using a flat washer. It would be cheap and would be flat. > Of course, it wouldn't be two piece, but it would look like some of > the buttons I've seen (although they were not necessarily 18th > Century.) > > Kat > > Kat(June Russell) > kat@grendal.rain.com > Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 7 10:44:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15673 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:44:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07681; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:01:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05991 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:00:50 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05984 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:00:48 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6BPWa03806 (3999) for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:00:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.54a3df8f.25570a1c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:00:12 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: buttons To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 40 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 11/07/1999 10:56:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, kat@grendal.rain.com writes: << > Was there anybody who could give me an adress where i could find > material to make flat buttons in fabric. > They must be flat and not curved, as they were in the 18th.century. > I would prefer an english supplier as i live in Denmak, but if possible > i could order them from USA. How about using a flat washer. It would be cheap and would be flat. >> Y'know, most buttons of the period have cardboard or wooden cores. Cardboard doesn't sound like it would stand up to dry cleaning. How does wood hold up? Anyone know? There is no doubt a plastic alternative that is drycleanable. Like maybe that thick plastic mesh for craft needlepoint projects. There's probably something already round....like in the plumbing dept. of the hardware store. A PVC washer of some kind. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 7 13:38:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15848 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:38:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23701; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:54:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25272 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:53:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25265 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:53:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19583 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:52:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-57.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.57]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03326 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:52:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005401bf295b$9c050280$9523fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: References: <199911071553.HAA28695@eclipse.pacifier.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Advice Needed Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:06:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" > How odd. I really like linen. I've got bright red, bright blue and > bright purple dresses made of it. I wash them in the regular washing > machine all the time and none have ever faded. > > I suspect that you are right about why they faded. It could be that > they were in the sale/remnant area because the dye was bad. > > Kat Yeah, I really like it too. It is one of my favorite fabrics. That is part of the reason why it was so disappointing. Anyway, things like this happen (bad dye lots, etc) and I wanted to speak up. Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 7 13:40:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15854 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:40:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23902; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:57:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25611 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:55:53 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from eclipse.pacifier.com (eclipse.pacifier.com [199.2.117.78]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25600 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:55:51 -0700 (MST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip142.van22.pacifier.com [216.65.138.142]) by eclipse.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.3pop) with SMTP id LAA15683 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:55:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911071955.LAA15683@eclipse.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:57:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: buttons Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3825A20D.599360A5@post12.tele.dk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > What is a flat washer? It is a piece of metal, plastic or rubber with a hole in the middle of it. It is used in plumbing so that there are fewer leaks (plastic and rubber) or in building things where you need to have some movement left in a joint (like when joining pipes, putting together furniture or sometimes in cars.) They are essentially flat metal rings. The ones I use are made by stamping out the circle of metal with a hole in the center of that. They are usually smoothed. I use small ones (which I embroider over) when doing eyelets. I've used larger ones for buttons (although they can be a bit heavy.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 7 13:41:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15858 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:41:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24013; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:58:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25662 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:56:36 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25657 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:56:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20417 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:56:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-57.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.57]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05317 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:56:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005a01bf295c$1cf03ea0$9523fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: References: <199911071553.HAA28710@eclipse.pacifier.com> <3825A20D.599360A5@post12.tele.dk> Subject: Re: H-COST: buttons Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:10:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" > What is a flat washer? > Bjarne Drews It is a metal disk with a hole in the middle. You can find them at the hardware store. They can be used for securing bolts, by putting them on the side with the nut. What are they called in Danish? Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 7 13:43:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15862 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:43:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24200; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:00:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25906 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:58:40 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25897 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:58:39 -0700 (MST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6YLGa04983 (4227) for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 14:58:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.11311b5d.255733c9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 14:58:01 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Advice Needed To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com I think it is the highly crystalline structure of linen that makes it difficult for it to be dyed, and then to hold it's color. Chemically, it is cellulose, like cotton is, but the cellulose in cotton in more amorphous, giving more places for dye molecules to get into the fibers. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 7 14:27:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15898 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 14:27:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27807; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:44:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00561 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:42:36 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00556 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:42:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from agnes (BayArea56k546.NetWiz.Net [208.164.208.146]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA26578 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:42:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3825E42A.20CB@netwiz.net> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 12:42:18 -0800 From: Susan Fatemi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: linen References: <011a01bf27ed$e975b100$013daccf@e4c2n6> <4.2.0.58.19991106132823.00abbcf0@rrnet.com> <000901bf28ef$0c67fea0$5cfafea9@gunsafes> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Susan Fatemi Michelle wrote: > > > > What? Explain please. Never heard of a problem before. What kind of dye > > fades on linen? > > > > Kim > > Well, I don't know why...Two times I have had some colorful linen. > The first was a warmly rich apricot color. I prewashed it and it It's gotta be the dye, not the linen. I've dyed linen with procion and it takes it wonderfully. A bit darker than the cotton in the same batch, tho' that might have been my samples. Susan F. -- Oh Noh! Kimonos! susanf@netwiz.net http://www.netwiz.net/~susanf _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 7 14:34:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15908 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 14:34:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28262; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:51:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01254 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:48:54 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01247 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:48:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from agnes (BayArea56k546.NetWiz.Net [208.164.208.146]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA27363 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:48:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3825E5A5.391A@netwiz.net> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 12:48:37 -0800 From: Susan Fatemi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: vatican museums References: <199911071553.HAA28710@eclipse.pacifier.com> <3825A20D.599360A5@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Susan Fatemi This may be old news to some of you, but it's a wonderful site with lots of pictures. http://www.christusrex.org/www1/vaticano/0-Musei.html Susan F. -- Oh Noh! Kimonos! susanf@netwiz.net http://www.netwiz.net/~susanf _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 7 15:12:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15971 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 15:12:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02905; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 14:29:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05637 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 14:29:12 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05627 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 14:29:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991107212907.KTXE6286.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]>; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:29:07 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 13:33:39 -0800 Subject: H-COST: website From: "R.L. Shep" To: "h-costume" CC: fred Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991107212907.KTXE6286.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "R.L. Shep" We have had some work done on our website.... it has been drastically revised - for the better one hopes. There is also a *links* page in it again. This page is not quite finished - but it is up and running. If you are interested - go look: www.rlshep.com ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 7 16:13:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16069 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 16:13:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09892; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 15:30:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12166 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 15:29:52 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12155 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 15:29:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01155 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 14:29:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-91.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.91]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04509 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 14:29:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001d01bf2971$85681f60$be26fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: References: <011a01bf27ed$e975b100$013daccf@e4c2n6> <4.2.0.58.19991106132823.00abbcf0@rrnet.com> <000901bf28ef$0c67fea0$5cfafea9@gunsafes> <3825E42A.20CB@netwiz.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: linen Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 14:43:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" > It's gotta be the dye, not the linen. I've dyed linen with procion > and it takes it wonderfully. A bit darker than the cotton in the > same batch, tho' that might have been my samples. > > Susan F. Yet another good reason to prewash fabrics before cutting into them. In the case of all that extensive cross-stiching, it might be a good idea to wash a small piece several times and see what it does. Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 7 17:56:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16231 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:56:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19051; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:12:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23265 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:12:18 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (mc-qout4.whowhere.com [209.185.123.18]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA23252 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:12:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by hotbot.com; Sun Nov 7 16:11:37 1999 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 16:11:37 -0800 From: " Firefly" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: H-COST: Mansfield Park Review X-Sender-Ip: 205.188.192.21 Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: " Firefly" Today we went (in garb, no less) to the preview of the new movie Mansfield Park, which was playing at the Kennedy Center here. It is an odd adaptation of this novel. If you love the book, you may hate this, because they have really changed it. The heroine of the novel is probably one of Austen's more difficult characters. The folks who produced this movie essentially transformed her from a rather spineless sorrowful creature into a spunky, 1990s sort of woman. Entertaining, but considerably odd for the period. As for the costumes--equally wierd. Some characters had wonderful outfits in some scenes, then appear in other scenes in really odd outfits. Notables included Fanny Price's many jumper style dresses (I swear she must have hit a sale at Laura Ashley) worn over blouses, a rather odd paisley-printed velvet spencer with a mandarin collar, and Mary Crawford's dark saphire gown with peek-a-boo lace sleeves. But on the other hand, in another scene, the same characters will appear in absolutely fantastic outfits--and the men looked appropriate. So, go figure! More odd elements included making Fanny a budding young writer, dropping her brother completely out of the plot and adding odd references to lesbianism (Mary had the hots for Fanny!!!), incest, and a very graphic sex scene. So,figure it's a movie inspired by the book and that's about it. Still, it's an entertaining flick, with lots of bits of humor and irony that make it a good way to spend an evening -- or a sunday afternoon! HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 7 21:10:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16623 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:10:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09659; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 20:26:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15742 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 20:25:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15729 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 20:25:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from test (ip203-201.cc.interlog.com [207.34.203.201]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA22553 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:25:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991107001035.009427f0@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 00:10:35 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: waistcoat vs. weskit In-Reply-To: <199911051432.HAA22824@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, >As far a 'weskit', could it be a slang term? From Scottish, Irish, Welsh, >or one of the many British dialects? In my experience a "weskit" is how I've sometimes heard the word "waistcoat" pronounced. Not a separate garment. Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 7 22:10:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16742 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:10:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15619; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:27:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22752 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:27:25 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22746 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:27:23 -0700 (MST) From: Appin1@aol.com Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6RVBleyo6_ (4567) for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 23:26:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.23c16fd3.2557ab07@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 23:26:47 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: old Vampire movie costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Appin1@aol.com FYI -- The 1922 Murnau version of Dracula, entitled "Nosferatu" was made without permission from Bram Stoker's estate. The German courts ordered all copies of the film to be destroyed, since it violated copyright. Obviously, some one kept a copy.... The newer version, also entitled "Nosferatu," starred Klaus Kinski as the vampire. I believe it was directed by Fassbinder. It is worth renting on video. Kathleen Norvell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 8 09:34:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21316 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:34:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03091; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:49:56 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26030 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:47:48 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26011; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:47:45 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:47:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199911081547.IAA26011@net.indra.com> From: "Lady Unicorn" To: Subject: H-COST: Business out of home Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Lady Unicorn" Question to pose to those of you with a sewing business run from your home. Have any of you had people just stop by, unnanounced, to pick up, drop off, try on etc. and how did you handle it? Specifically during odd times like 8:30 pm on a week night or on a Sunday. Carrie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 8 09:47:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21343 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:47:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05256; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:03:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29787 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:02:00 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1 ([204.86.241.250]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA29767 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:01:56 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail1 with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.00.28 AS-1409036) for at Mon, 8 Nov 1999 07:54:11 -0800 Received: by hhsmail.dhhs.co.sacramento.ca.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:02:36 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Bergdahl, Stephen" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Business out of home Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:02:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Bergdahl, Stephen" Well when I ran my business out of my house. I made appointments for my costumers when they came over for a fitting. You have to put your foot down with some people. They just don't seem to understand that you have a life that has nothing to do with them. If they turn up at odd hours just polity and firmly tell them to call during business hour and make a appointment. If you don't have set hours, make a set. You have to draw a line and stick to it. Stephen Bergdahl - Out of the Business, because of Unreasonable customers. -----Original Message----- From: Lady Unicorn [mailto:ladyunicorn@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 7:48 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Business out of home -Poster: "Lady Unicorn" Question to pose to those of you with a sewing business run from your home. Have any of you had people just stop by, unnanounced, to pick up, drop off, try on etc. and how did you handle it? Specifically during odd times like 8:30 pm on a week night or on a Sunday. Carrie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 8 12:12:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21832 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:12:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28505; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:27:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09113 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:27:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09096 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:27:10 -0700 (MST) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6TTP09znhp (3952) for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:26:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.2b8b5f29.25586fd9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:26:33 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Business out of home To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com In a message dated 11/8/1999 7:57:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, ladyunicorn@aol.com writes: << Question to pose to those of you with a sewing business run from your home. Have any of you had people just stop by, unnanounced, to pick up, drop off, try on etc. and how did you handle it? Specifically during odd times like 8:30 pm on a week night or on a Sunday. Carrie >> No, but I'd immediately say that they needed an appointment, particularly because it is a business run from your home. Without appts, you would have absolutely NO privacy, since you can't even leave your place of business... angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Costumes & Custom Clothing Theatrical Costume Design "What fates impose, that men must needs abide; It boots not to resist both wind and tide." King Henry VI, Part III, IV, iii - W. Shakespeare QUICK-LINK: http://come.to/costumes FULL URL: http://sj.znet.com/~thespian/angil/index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 8 12:22:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21853 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:22:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00418; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:38:20 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12400 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:38:15 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay2.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay2.core.theplanet.net [194.152.65.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12384 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:38:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from modem97.fred.pol.co.uk ([195.92.7.225] helo=herimats) by mailrelay2.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11ktfy-0002la-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:37:59 +0000 Message-ID: <002b01bf2a18$71e09ab0$e1075cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <199911081547.IAA26011@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Business out of home Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:37:44 -0000 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "LDMundy" > Have any of you had people just stop by, unnanounced, to pick up, drop off, > try on etc. and how did you handle it? Specifically during odd times like > 8:30 pm on a week night or on a Sunday. > > Carrie Albeit a few years ago and for shoes and leather / metalwork /saddlery equipment more than costumes---If they were picking up, dropping off or trying on I would have already told them what times to call; Callers on spec at these times would find me in the stables and most probably would be handed a fork to help with the mucking out.- they only called once. Mind you I was so far out in the sticks that people would usually phone first. I finally gave up because of people's picky picky attitude as much as their opposition to realistic prices. Its all a matter of making sure they know their place in the scheme of things.; if they spot a weakness in this respect most punters will soon try to look for other s and walk all over you. Where you can put it in writing- terms and conditions and also an instruction to phone before calling. Mail or thrust same into hot sticky hand at earliest oppurtunity. Remember the customer is always right but they are not technically a customer until they have parted with cash, which is their true role in the arrangement, until they fulfill this they are not only wrong but a timewaster and should be treated with suitable disdain.. When I had taken on more work than I could cope with I used to go out of my way tobe really really rude to customers ( a skill I still retain as so many people refuse to accept that I have retired and think I can just start up again just for them)) unfortunately this resulted in my being seen as a bit of an eccentric character and they seemed to gain some social credence from being able to deal with me.- trade increased. So I stopped. People who call at or near your mealtimes should be asked to join you, this will make them think that you are a nice person ( not that I am suggesting that you are not)- you can then stick a bit extra on the final bill for some obscure " extras" Even when actually working from your house, rather than a shed or extension., you should have your workroom set apart from all else and be welcoming for clients, banish children and partners motor bike parts and have a chair. But it should not be too warm-- more painful customers can be left for quite a while half dressed or worse while you pop into the house for " a moments " have a fag and a brew and watch a soap and they will be much more amenable on your return. What is charmingly called a "shingle" in the US is always useful and should boldy contain " visitors by appointment only" or " beware of the dog" "electrified fence" or some other suitable epithet. A friend in the business always insists on calling upon clients rather than have them visit for "insurance purposes " but as she charges a "nominal " fee for each visit, finds that she doesnt get called out for extra tryons etc. The ensuing remuneration is almost pure profit and allows her to keep her published prices lower than any competition. Above all be firm and clear in all matters. Dave _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 8 16:18:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22591 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:18:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11708; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:33:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21470 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:32:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21460 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:32:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.249.234.97]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991108223255.XOBB375.fepC.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:32:55 +0100 Message-ID: <38274EE3.CAD3C675@post12.tele.dk> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 23:29:56 +0100 From: leif drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [da] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Surf the Musee de Tissus References: <005501bf2752$15ee3f00$50b0fea9@gunsafes> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: leif drews My goodnes here are the most magnificent embroideries for my 1770 male costume. I really is inspired of those wonderfull flowers Thankyou for joining this with mee Bjarne. Michelle skrev: > -Poster: "Michelle" > > >-Poster: Cynthia Barnes > > > > > >Fabric junkies can while away a few minutes here looking at the pics of > >vintage fabrics. > >http://www.lyon.cci.fr/musee-des-tissus/ > > That was fun. Thanks Cynthia, for sharing your find. > Michelle > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 8 16:22:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22613 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:22:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12497; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:37:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22557 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:37:03 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:37:03 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us [209.129.16.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22548 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us (ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us [10.1.100.1]) by intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA10105 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:38:57 -0800 Message-ID: From: Heidi Fox To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:38:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Heidi Fox I must say that the eternal fashion/costume cycle has gone 360 degrees yet again after looking at a site with fashion images from the haute couture world. I often visit this site to get inspired (and when I want to compare my elephantine thighs to those of the runway models...) http://www.firstview.com/designerlist/index.html If you look at the Fall 1999 images (i.e. Betsey Johnson and Andrew Groves), you'll find (along with influences from the last few decades) corsets galore, bustles, delicate white insertion lace dresses, leg o' mutton sleeves, and laced up jackets that I swear look just like they'd go with an 1880's riding habit, and even a "weskit" or two... (a caveat for sensitive persons: stay away if you don't like seeing the occasional bare breast!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 8 16:24:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22642 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:24:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13347; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:40:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23679 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:40:47 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23653 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:40:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.249.234.97]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991108224042.XOVF375.fepC.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:40:42 +0100 Message-ID: <382750B7.650109C8@post12.tele.dk> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 23:37:43 +0100 From: leif drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [da] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:38:49 -0800 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: leif drews I would die to see it, but the url is wrong Bjarne Heidi Fox skrev: > -Poster: Heidi Fox > > I must say that the eternal fashion/costume cycle has gone 360 degrees yet > again after looking at a site with fashion images from the haute couture > world. > > I often visit this site to get inspired (and when I want to compare my > elephantine thighs to those of the runway models...) > http://www.firstview.com/designerlist/index.html > > If you look at the Fall 1999 images (i.e. Betsey Johnson and Andrew Groves), > you'll find (along with influences from the last few decades) corsets > galore, bustles, delicate white insertion lace dresses, leg o' mutton > sleeves, and laced up jackets that I swear look just like they'd go with an > 1880's riding habit, and even a "weskit" or two... (a caveat for sensitive > persons: stay away if you don't like seeing the occasional bare breast!) > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 8 16:27:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22658 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:27:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14117; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:43:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24140 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:42:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us [209.129.16.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24130 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:42:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us (ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us [10.1.100.1]) by intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA10657 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:04:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:44:24 -0800 Message-ID: From: Heidi Fox To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:38:49 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:44:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id PAA24132 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Heidi Fox Hmmm, sorry Lief, try just going to www.firstview.com and making your way to their Woman's Collections... -----Original Message----- From: leif drews [mailto:drewscph@post12.tele.dk] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 2:38 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:38:49 -0800 -Poster: leif drews I would die to see it, but the url is wrong Bjarne Heidi Fox skrev: > -Poster: Heidi Fox > > I must say that the eternal fashion/costume cycle has gone 360 degrees yet > again after looking at a site with fashion images from the haute couture > world. > > I often visit this site to get inspired (and when I want to compare my > elephantine thighs to those of the runway models...) > http://www.firstview.com/designerlist/index.html > > If you look at the Fall 1999 images (i.e. Betsey Johnson and Andrew Groves), > you'll find (along with influences from the last few decades) corsets > galore, bustles, delicate white insertion lace dresses, leg o' mutton > sleeves, and laced up jackets that I swear look just like they'd go with an > 1880's riding habit, and even a "weskit" or two... (a caveat for sensitive > persons: stay away if you don't like seeing the occasional bare breast!) > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 8 16:29:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22669 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:29:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14691; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:46:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25248 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:45:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us [209.129.16.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25240 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:45:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us (ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us [10.1.100.1]) by intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA10769 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:08:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:47:52 -0800 Message-ID: From: Heidi Fox To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:38:49 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:47:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id PAA25241 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Heidi Fox Ooops! I meant Bjarne! I'm just amazed at how fast these messages get across the Atlantic and back! -----Original Message----- From: Heidi Fox [mailto:hfox@sdccd.cc.ca.us] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 2:44 PM To: 'h-costume@indra.com' Subject: RE: H-COST: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:38:49 -0800 -Poster: Heidi Fox Hmmm, sorry Lief, try just going to www.firstview.com and making your way to their Woman's Collections... -----Original Message----- From: leif drews [mailto:drewscph@post12.tele.dk] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 2:38 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:38:49 -0800 -Poster: leif drews I would die to see it, but the url is wrong Bjarne Heidi Fox skrev: > -Poster: Heidi Fox > > I must say that the eternal fashion/costume cycle has gone 360 degrees yet > again after looking at a site with fashion images from the haute couture > world. > > I often visit this site to get inspired (and when I want to compare my > elephantine thighs to those of the runway models...) > http://www.firstview.com/designerlist/index.html > > If you look at the Fall 1999 images (i.e. Betsey Johnson and Andrew Groves), > you'll find (along with influences from the last few decades) corsets > galore, bustles, delicate white insertion lace dresses, leg o' mutton > sleeves, and laced up jackets that I swear look just like they'd go with an > 1880's riding habit, and even a "weskit" or two... (a caveat for sensitive > persons: stay away if you don't like seeing the occasional bare breast!) > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 8 17:37:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23001 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:37:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25991; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:53:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13371 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:51:09 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13364 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:51:07 -0700 (MST) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6YZU0rL9H2 (4410) for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:50:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.d1679b81.2558bbc5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:50:29 EST Subject: H-COST: Re: first communion dress To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com Penny: That sounds like quite a dress! When my daughter makes her first communion in 2 1/2 years I am going to make her something special -- but not that decorative! I am not an expert on linen, but I want to caution you that not all linen has an even enough weave to cross stitch on; and I'm not sure that any of the lighter weights do. But you can certainly buy it in pastels, as well as whites and off-whites. Gail Finke Who just spent $50 on three yards of linen for a shift -- and that was on sale!!! Temporary insanity is my only excuse, I never spend that much on ANYTHING. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 8 18:06:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23049 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:06:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00272; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:22:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21135 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:22:47 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta2-svc.virgin.net (mta2-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.143]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21124 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:22:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.120.92]) by mta2-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19991109002143.HIE8565.mta2-svc@LOCALNAME> for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:21:43 +0000 Message-ID: <3827DD35.5660@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 00:37:09 -0800 From: Dawn Organization: ages of elegance (http://www.ageofelegance.dabsol.co.uk) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN712-000 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Business out of home References: <199911081547.IAA26011@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Dawn Lady Unicorn wrote: > > -Poster: "Lady Unicorn" > > Question to pose to those of you with a sewing business run from your home. > Have any of you had people just stop by, unnanounced, to pick up, drop off, > try on etc. and how did you handle it? Specifically during odd times like > 8:30 pm on a week night or on a Sunday. > > Carrie > > _________________________________________________________________ > Answerphones Mine is on permanently and I use it like a switchboard. If I can I pick up but if I'm busy doing something tricky then I don't. The message gives my business hours 10-6 monday to friday and I don't answer during lunch times of course I work ouside thes hours but that's my perogative not theirs. If someone doesn't leave a message then that's their problem not mine. They'll call back if they really want something from me if they don't they were timewasters anyway. If advertisers jam up my machine then I don't advertise with their magazine, and I don't answer the door to anyone unless they are expected. I do see clients out of hours but it's on my terms and we have fittings at my convenience, if I have to go to a fitting I charge both time and travel. Prospective and new clients are told to speak to the machine if I don't answer first and if I can I will pick up. they actually see the sense in it and are pleased that if I won't leave a job I'm doing for this reason then I will devote the same time to their work. Anyone who doesn't like it doesn't get taken onto my books or keeps getting put to the back of the queue When I had my shop I had a client who was always phoning and turning up to check progres, witter etc. He then asked one day why it was taking so long I added up all the minutes I'd spent with him and he realised that he could have had his work a month earlier if he'd not hassled. He behaved after that. When people realise that your time is also their money and that part of the cost to them is wastage of hours spent with them they soon stop. dawn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 8 18:35:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23091 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:35:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03944; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:51:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26927 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:51:18 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f12.hotmail.com [209.185.131.75]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA26912 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:51:15 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 73080 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 1999 00:50:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19991109005040.73079.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.99.87.127 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:50:40 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.99.87.127] From: "m b" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: finishing lacing cords Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:50:40 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "m b" I have a new dress which laces up the front, and am having difficulty figuring out how to 'finish off' the lacing cords so that they will not ravel. Some friends have metal tips that they have used, but which I have not yet found. I have also seen this done with copper wire, but do not know how to do this technique. Any advice, help would be appreciated. Eileigh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 8 19:33:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23174 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:33:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11815; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:49:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06766 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:47:42 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web1602.mail.yahoo.com (web1602.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.202]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA06755 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:47:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19991109020256.25824.rocketmail@web1602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.164.226.190] by web1602.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 08 Nov 1999 18:02:56 PST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:02:56 -0800 (PST) From: Martha McCain Subject: Re: H-COST: finishing lacing cords To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Martha McCain The metal ends are called points or aglets. Some have holes through which you can sew them to a cord - others you need to glue with Magnatac or the like. I see they are in the AlterYears catalogue. Usually they are available at a fabric/craft store. If you're in a hurry, saturate the end of your cord with Fraycheck or Magnatac and wrap a thread tightly around it for 3/8-1/2". You can overpaint this with acrylics. You can also wrap with a metallic thread. Etc. Be as decorative as you like. You get the idea. Martha McCain ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 8 22:05:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23440 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:05:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29364; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:21:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00436 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:20:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00431 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:20:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.249] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11l2m4-0006Tb-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:20:53 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991104042543.00c829d0@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 04:30:41 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: H-COST: finishing lacing cords In-Reply-To: <19991109005040.73079.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >I have a new dress which laces up the front, and am having difficulty >figuring out how to 'finish off' the lacing cords so that they will not >ravel. > >Some friends have metal tips that they have used, but which I have not yet >found. I have also seen this done with copper wire, but do not know how to >do this technique. Here in the Silicon Valley, where we have access to electronics stuff, we sometimes use heat-shrink insulation to finish off lacing-tie ends. About an inch of this insulation is fitted over the end of the cord, then heated with a hair-dryer to cause it to shrink tightly onto the end. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 8 22:05:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23444 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:05:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29365; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:21:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00429 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:20:53 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00416 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:20:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.249] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11l2m3-0006Tb-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:20:51 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991104042045.00c83ef0@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 04:23:28 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: H-COST: waistcoat vs. weskit In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19991107001035.009427f0@mail.interlog.com> References: <199911051432.HAA22824@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >>As far a 'weskit', could it be a slang term? From Scottish, Irish, Welsh, >>or one of the many British dialects? > >In my experience a "weskit" is how I've sometimes heard the word >"waistcoat" pronounced. Not a separate garment. I talked to three people from England, this weekend, and they all told me that the only difference between 'weskit' and waistcoat' is reigonal pronunciation. None of them sew, and two of them were Morris dancers (wearing what I would call vests). Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 8 22:05:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23448 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:05:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29363; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:21:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00418 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:20:53 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00409 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:20:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.249] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11l2m1-0006Tb-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:20:50 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991104041253.00c7fa10@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 04:17:48 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: H-COST: buttons In-Reply-To: <3825A20D.599360A5@post12.tele.dk> References: <199911071553.HAA28710@eclipse.pacifier.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows leif drews writes, in a message sent 05:00 P 11/07/99 +0100: > >-Poster: leif drews > >What is a flat washer? A washer is a flat metal disk with a little hole in the middle, usually used for reinforcing a hole in something where a screw goes thru, or so the nut on a bolt won't pull thru the hole it's in. You could use a small coin as a base for a flat button, or a little bone or plastic ring. Or you could cut a disk out of a disposable plastic bottle. Test plastic first for dry-clean-ability before making buttons out of it, of course. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 00:21:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23748 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:21:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12820; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:38:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22391 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:37:43 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22384 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:37:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13811 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:37:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-224.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.224]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27798 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:37:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <007a01bf2a7e$dc971d00$5c79fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: References: <19991109005040.73079.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: finishing lacing cords Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:50:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" I'd wrap some thread around it, then knot it. (Depending on period, you have the option of gluing the ends to make them stiff.) If you want the metal points, aglets (spell?), I found some at Tandy Leather. They were marked 'bolo' tips but were those (somewhat) filagree type. I attached some to some cord, wrapping the ends in thread first, then sewed them in. I couldn't get them to fit through the eyelets in the front of my bodice, so I ended up not using them. Then, I thought I would use them as pointing for my sleeves and while holding the cord, the dangling end got snagged on the trim of my overskirt. I was so thrilled when I found them clearanced. I bought all they had left, after wanting some for a while. I think they look so pretty. Now, I am ready to throw them all away! ;) Michelle > > -Poster: "m b" > > I have a new dress which laces up the front, and am having difficulty > figuring out how to 'finish off' the lacing cords so that they will not > ravel. > > Some friends have metal tips that they have used, but which I have not yet > found. I have also seen this done with copper wire, but do not know how to > do this technique. > > Any advice, help would be appreciated. > > Eileigh > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 02:40:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04163 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 02:40:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20122; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 01:56:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05922 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 01:53:36 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05916 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 01:53:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.138] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11l71w-0005il-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:53:33 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991104043305.00b25440@pop.slip.net> Message-Id: <4.1.19991104043305.00b25440@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 04:41:27 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: H-COST: White Jeans Machine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Was this the list where someone wanted information about the White Jeans Machine sewing machine? I just got a flyer from Hancock Fabric Warehouse (possibly called Minesota Fabrics or something else in another part of the country) which had these for sale at $249, marked down from $349. No free-arm, no case (has handle on top for carying), 32 built-in stitches and and built-in buttonholer. (This is not a reccomendation, just info.) Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 07:58:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27663 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:58:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07108; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:14:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03865 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:13:52 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03858 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:13:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991109141349.WDQC9798.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 06:13:49 -0800 Message-ID: <38282C40.42FF8CC7@home.com> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:14:24 -0600 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: finishing lacing cords References: <19991109005040.73079.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Kat & Kent For tips going through large holes I use bolo tips which can be found at many craft stores... for smaller holes I use coiled spacer beads... these come in silver & gold (and sometimes brass) and are in the bead section of most craft stores. I secure the later with superglue but they also come with a ring on the end which can be used to sew them down. Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 08:29:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27718 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:29:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09854; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:46:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08942 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:46:23 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA08885; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:46:04 -0700 (MST) From: SAQUEEN@aol.com Received: from SAQUEEN@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6DFWa21560 (3962); Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:45:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.d62e5cbb.25598d87@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:45:27 EST Subject: H-COST: San Diego costume talk To: h-costume@indra.com, vintage@indra.com CC: amarx@sdccd.cc.ca.us MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com Dear San Diego list members, I will be speaking to the students at Mesa College in San Diego, California on Monday, November 15th at 2:00pm. Topic is 18th century women's wear and period construction. Free and open to the public. Calendar 2000: Historic Fashions Turning the Centuries and the companion notecards will be available with profits going to the Mesa College Student Fashion Group. (Great time for holiday purchases without the mailing cost while benefitting our students!) Mesa College, 7250 Mesa College Drive, B-104. Monday, November 15 at 2:00 p.m. Contact Person: Andrea Marx, 858-627-2930 Andrea says: "Parking Lot 9 is the designated Special Event parking lot. If I know that a large group will be arriving I can notify security." Please call Andrea if you can join us. I will have my 1770s reproduction outfit, complete from the skin out including a great pair of stays and from head to toe, including silk brocaded, straight-lasted shoes. For those bemoaning no costuming in San Diego, maybe this crowd can help! Please send this posting to others who might be interested. Sally Queen Calendar 2000: Historic Fashions Turning the Centuries http:// www.sallyqueenassociates.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 08:45:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27763 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:45:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11451; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11731 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:01:53 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11723 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:01:52 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6DUOa17246 (4246) for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:01:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.75f5106d.2559913f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:01:19 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: waistcoat vs. weskit To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 40 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 11/08/1999 11:22:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, kayta@slip.net writes: << (wearing what I would call vests). >> Say....isn't a "vest" in Britain a sleeveless undershirt? What we would call a "tank". _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 08:50:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27769 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:50:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11991; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:06:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12822 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:06:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12809 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:06:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18032 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05759 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:07:12 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:07:12 -0500 (EST) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: finishing lacing cords In-Reply-To: <19991109005040.73079.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: aleed Depending on the size of the lace you can use "bolo points" (available from Fire Mountain Gems (http://www.firemountaingems.com) or, if the lace is skinny, thread a metal cylinder bead on the end and hammer it flat. If you really want to snazz up your aglets, Fire Mountain Gems also sells enamelled, tubular beads--perfect for Elizabethan decorative aglets. Drea On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, m b wrote: > > -Poster: "m b" > > I have a new dress which laces up the front, and am having difficulty > figuring out how to 'finish off' the lacing cords so that they will not > ravel. > > Some friends have metal tips that they have used, but which I have not yet > found. I have also seen this done with copper wire, but do not know how to > do this technique. > > Any advice, help would be appreciated. > > Eileigh > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 09:16:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27812 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:16:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15589; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:32:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18882 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:31:40 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18871 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:31:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from mediaone.net (h00105af53be2.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.160.210]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA02728 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:31:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38283E5D.51EBF122@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 10:31:41 -0500 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: finishing lacing cords References: <19991109005040.73079.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Janice Dallas I've finished the ends by passing them through a flame (synthetic laceing only) or using clear nail polish on the ends. I suppose you could use "fray-check" but I hate the formaldyhyde smell of it. Would love to have metal ends, also, but don't. -- Janice Dallas JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 09:42:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27867 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:42:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19465; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:59:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25993 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:59:01 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail2.lig.bellsouth.net (mail2.lig.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.56]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25979 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:58:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (host-209-214-52-78.mgm.bellsouth.net [209.214.52.78]) by mail2.lig.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with SMTP id KAA16776 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:58:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006601bf2ac9$4da33d40$4e34d6d1@pavilion> From: "Johnna and David Goss" To: References: <199911091506.IAA12844@net.indra.com> Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume: Buttons Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:44:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Johnna and David Goss" I am new to this list. Could anyone direct me to a good source to purchase historical buttons in bulk? Thank you kindly in advance. DJGoss _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 09:50:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27876 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:50:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21081; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:06:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28007 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:06:12 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1 ([204.86.241.250]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA27964 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:06:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail1 with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.00.28 AS-1409036) for at Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:57:15 -0800 Received: by hhsmail.dhhs.co.sacramento.ca.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:05:37 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Bergdahl, Stephen" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Re: h-costume: Buttons Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:05:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Bergdahl, Stephen" There are a number of places that sell buck buttons, what Period are you looking for? -----Original Message----- From: Johnna and David Goss [mailto:djgoss@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 7:44 AM To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume: Buttons -Poster: "Johnna and David Goss" I am new to this list. Could anyone direct me to a good source to purchase historical buttons in bulk? Thank you kindly in advance. DJGoss _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 11:05:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27986 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:05:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04729; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19462 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:21:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from email.boisestate.edu (email.boisestate.edu [132.178.16.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19444 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:21:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from cobfac.boisestate.edu (cobfac.boisestate.edu [132.178.176.101]) by email.boisestate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31788 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:23:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199911091723.KAA31788@email.boisestate.edu> Received: from COBFAC/SpoolDir by cobfac.boisestate.edu (Mercury 1.44); 9 Nov 99 10:21:26 -0700 Received: from SpoolDir by COBFAC (Mercury 1.44); 9 Nov 99 10:21:21 -0700 From: "Linda Yordy" Organization: College of Business & Economics To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:21:15 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: finishing lacing cords Priority: normal References: <19991109005040.73079.qmail@hotmail.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Linda Yordy" I ordered cords with points on them from Swan and Lion. The points fit through smaller holes than the bolo points will. http://www.historicenterprises.com/swanlion/ They're listed under Dress Accessories and called "points." http://www.historicenterprises.com/swanlion/dress_images.html They usually sell them to tie men's hose to a doublet and come, I think, in lenghts of about 22 inches. When I ordered mine, they made them up in custom lenths for tying on sleeves. I got a 48 inch cord to lace the front of a dress and six 8-inch cords for around $20. Usual disclaimer, just a satisfied cutomer. Linda Yordy Phone: 208/426-4034 Boise State University Center for Management Development 1910 University Drive Boise, ID 83725-1660 ******************************************************** Yordy's Law #3: When wearing white, apply your lunch directly to your shirt -- it will end up there anyway. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 11:43:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28047 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:43:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10930; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:59:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00715 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:59:06 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00700 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:59:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA28576.; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:04:50 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 09 Nov 1999 17:57:39 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 17:32:29 +0000 From: "KATE M BUNTING" To: Subject: H-COST: Re: Waistcoat vs. weskit Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id KAA00707 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" Albert Cat wrote "Isn't a "vest" in Britain a sleeveless undershirt? Yes, it is. I believe tailors use the term to mean 'waistcoat', but in everyday usage it refers to an undergarment. BTW, I've never heard of 'weskit' as an independent word either, just a jokey mis-spelling or a rendering of colloquial speech. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 12:23:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28101 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:23:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16963; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:37:15 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11152 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:36:45 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11124 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:36:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27314 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:36:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from henk (vp206-179.worldonline.nl [195.241.206.179]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA16314 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:36:38 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000901bf2ae1$368bc100$b3cef1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: "H-Costume" Subject: H-COST: Egyptians Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:48:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF2ADA.9DD3BE00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF2ADA.9DD3BE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable tscapreelHi, Some of you may have seen the movie The Hour of the Pig (with a.o. Ian = Holm) in which a city lawyer defends a pig in a murder trial somewhere = in the 15th c French countryside. In it Egyptians or gypsies play a = crucial part. The thing is: I don't believe their costumes. Especially = that of the girls. It's a lot like the ones you see on Esmeralda in The = Hunchback etc.: loose blouse, seperate laced body and skirt(s). Somewhat = wench-like, in other words. After looking intently through my library I = can't find any reference on gypsy dress in the middle ages, at all! I = know they entered nord-western Europe ca 1400, but I found no = illlustrations mentioning them by name and showing them as dressed = differently from the common populace. Has anybody on this list any information on pre-1500 gypsy dress? Thanks, Henk ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF2ADA.9DD3BE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable tscapreel
Hi,
 
Some of you may have seen the movie The = Hour of the=20 Pig (with a.o. Ian Holm) in which a city lawyer defends a pig in a = murder trial=20 somewhere in the 15th c French countryside. In it Egyptians or gypsies = play a=20 crucial part. The thing is: I don't believe their costumes. Especially = that of=20 the girls. It's a lot like the ones you see on Esmeralda in The = Hunchback etc.:=20 loose blouse, seperate laced body and skirt(s). Somewhat wench-like, in = other=20 words. After looking intently through my library I can't find any = reference on=20 gypsy dress in the middle ages, at all! I know they entered nord-western = Europe=20 ca 1400, but I found no illlustrations mentioning them by name and = showing them=20 as dressed differently from the common populace.
 
Has anybody on this list any = information on=20 pre-1500 gypsy dress?
 
Thanks,
 
Henk
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF2ADA.9DD3BE00-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 12:40:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28142 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:40:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19900; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:55:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16220 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:55:39 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ntserver1.mainsaver.com ([206.17.202.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16205 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:55:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by HP-LH3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:47:44 -0800 Message-ID: <5B38B8D7EED8D211997F00A0C9E57FB91DB59C@HP-LH3> From: MAGGIE SECARA To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Re: Waistcoat vs. weskit Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:47:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MAGGIE SECARA The only place I've seen the word written out as "weskit" is in clothing catalogs, presumably so folks will say the word the way the manufacturers want us to. Cheers! MaggiRos A Compendium of Common Knowledge (1558-1603) is at http://ren.dm.net > -----Original Message----- > From: KATE M BUNTING [SMTP:K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 5:32 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: H-COST: Re: Waistcoat vs. weskit > > > -Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" > > Albert Cat wrote > "Isn't a "vest" in Britain a sleeveless undershirt? > > Yes, it is. I believe tailors use the term to mean 'waistcoat', but in > everyday usage it refers to an undergarment. > BTW, I've never heard of 'weskit' as an independent word either, just a > jokey mis-spelling or a rendering of colloquial speech. > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 13:07:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28253 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:07:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23122; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:19:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22503 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:19:29 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ntserver1.mainsaver.com ([206.17.202.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22496 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:19:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by HP-LH3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:11:35 -0800 Message-ID: <5B38B8D7EED8D211997F00A0C9E57FB91DB59E@HP-LH3> From: MAGGIE SECARA To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: finishing lacing cords Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:11:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MAGGIE SECARA For clarity and accuracy, I must point out that "points" are the laces or cords themselves. The decorative/ protective ends are aglets. I know people often say points for the ends, but that doesn't make it correct. Your hose may be pointed or trussed to your doublet, that is tied with points, even if the ends of the cords are nothing but knots. Cheers! MaggiRos A Compendium of Common Knowledge (1558-1603) is at http://ren.dm.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Yordy [SMTP:abuyordy@cobfac.BoiseState.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 5:21 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: finishing lacing cords > > > -Poster: "Linda Yordy" > > I ordered cords with points on them from Swan and Lion. The > points fit through smaller holes than the bolo points will. > > http://www.historicenterprises.com/swanlion/ > > They're listed under Dress Accessories and called "points." > > http://www.historicenterprises.com/swanlion/dress_images.html > > They usually sell them to tie men's hose to a doublet and come, I > think, in lenghts of about 22 inches. When I ordered mine, they > made them up in custom lenths for tying on sleeves. I got a 48 inch > cord to lace the front of a dress and six 8-inch cords for around $20. > > Usual disclaimer, just a satisfied cutomer. > > > Linda Yordy > Phone: 208/426-4034 > Boise State University > Center for Management Development > 1910 University Drive > Boise, ID 83725-1660 > ******************************************************** > Yordy's Law #3: When wearing white, apply your lunch > directly to your shirt -- it will end up there anyway. > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 14:43:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28548 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:43:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09848; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:58:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18111 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:57:34 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18091 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:57:31 -0700 (MST) From: MLaventure@aol.com Received: from MLaventure@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6AMIa05985 (4467) for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:56:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.c1a647b1.2559e498@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:56:56 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: San Diego costume talk To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MLaventure@aol.com Hi Sally, I've been meaning to e-mail you to tell you how much I enjoyed your symposium and how delightful it was to meet you and come over to your house for dinner. I just got back in town from teaching hat-making in the San Francisco Bay area last week and San Luis Obispo the week before. Will you be here in California for more than one day? I'm about one hour from San Diego. It would be nice to see you again. My home number is 949 716-0643, although e-mail is always the best way to leave a message...my husband doesn't accidentally delete that... Thanks, Mary LaVenture _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 14:57:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28600 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:57:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12086; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:12:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21880 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:12:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21866 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mediaone.net (h00105af53be2.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.160.210]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA03025 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:12:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38288E25.6971AF0E@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 16:12:05 -0500 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Deely-boppers in catalog References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Janice Dallas For those who were interested in them, I just found some deely-boppers in the Oriental Trading Co. Christmas catalog. Looks like its a red headband with 3" fuzzy santa head boppers on springs. A dozen is US$6.50. I imagine one could substitute any other ball on them and wouldn't be surprised if Oriental has them in other forms. #CF-4/543 for those who are interested. 800-228-2269 -- Janice Dallas JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 15:36:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28830 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:36:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19000; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:51:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02530 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:51:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02518 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:51:12 -0700 (MST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6WAHa10716 (3946) for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:50:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.319bc134.2559f126@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:50:30 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: finishing lacing cords To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 40 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cheryldee@aol.com In a message dated 11/9/99 8:34:24 AM Mountain Standard Time, janicedals@mediaone.net writes: << Would love to have metal ends, also, but don't. -- >> Richard the Thread, in Los Angeles, carries a corset lacing crimper tool and the metal crimps that go with it. It is a bit pricey. I think the tool costs about $75.00. The tips are cheap. However, it is the best way to deal with lacing tips I have found, having tried nearly all of the suggestions so far offerred on this list. They also carry lacing cord which comes on a cone or can be purchased by the yard. That way you can have any length you wish. Very strong, and dyeable. It's the only thing I use anymore. Cheryl Odom _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 17:17:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29124 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:17:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04829; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:32:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29220 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:30:36 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29206 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:30:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.249.181.23] (pool181-23.patriot.net [209.249.181.23] (may be forged)) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA25937 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:30:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199911092330.SAA25937@jefferson.patriot.net> Subject: H-COST: Obituary-Richard Martin, Curator of the Costume Institute Date: Tue, 9 Nov 99 18:32:26 -0500 x-sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: >> From the New York Times on the web. >>> >>>November 9, 1999 >>> >>> >>> Richard Martin, 52, Curator of the >>> Costume Institute >>> >>> By ANNE-MARIE SCHIRO >>> >>> Richard Martin, who infused the Costume Institute of >>> the Metropolitan Museum of Art with his deep >>> knowledge of popular culture and art history, died >>> yesterday at his apartment in New York. He was 52. I didn't include the whole article, but people can find it at http://search.nytimes.com/search/daily/bin/fastweb?getdoc+site+iib-site+135 +0+wAAA+Richard%7EMartin Richard Martin's name came up on the list about a year ago when he used the term "roadkill" to describe the flattened 18th century look of stays and panniers. The exhibits at the Met have been lots of fun to visit with the themes that Mr. Martin used in presenting costume. It was more than simply costume arranged along a timeline. -Carol Kocian _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 20:43:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29462 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:43:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28697; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:59:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10073 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:58:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10067 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:58:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (216-164-48-126.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com [216.164.48.126]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA19661 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:58:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004e01bf2b27$cb83e1c0$0200a8c0@pavilion> From: "Megan McHugh" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Dover books Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:00:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Megan McHugh" I got my Dover Book Catalog the other day. I was glancing through it and a couple books caught my eye. Does anyone have an opinion, good or bad, on any of the following, before I possibly waste some money? From reading this list, I have learned to take Norris with a grain of salt, but how about these? Authentic Victorian Fashion Patterns: A Complete Lady's Wardrobe ed. by Kristina Harris. Everday Dress of Rural America, 1783-1800: With Illustrations and Patterns, byt Merideth Wright. Racinet's Full-Color Pictorial History of Western Costume:.......August Racinet (92 pages) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 21:31:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29501 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:31:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05437; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:48:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17306 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:47:11 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17299 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:47:10 -0700 (MST) From: seamstrix@juno.com Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id EQ2KZFBC; Tue, 09 Nov 1999 22:40:41 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:40:07 -0600 Subject: Re: H-COST: Dover books Message-ID: <19991109.214014.-701333.0.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-11,13-44 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com I don't have the Victorian book so I can't comment on that one, but I do have the Rural American book and I think that it is very well done. It's a good examination of a period of time which I think is a bit under studied, i.e. post-Rev War America. Although it is focused on New England (it was originally written based on sources from Vermont IIRC) it seems to be applicable to most of Post-Colonial America. Racinet is a 19th century reprint and as such I find that it has all the flaws inherent in any Victorian source. It's a nice picture book, but I wouldn't use it for any kind of research. Karen On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:00:47 -0500 "Megan McHugh" writes: > > -Poster: "Megan McHugh" > > > I got my Dover Book Catalog the other day. I was glancing through > it and a > couple books caught my eye. Does anyone have an opinion, good or > bad, on > any of the following, before I possibly waste some money? From > reading this > list, I have learned to take Norris with a grain of salt, but how > about > these? > > Authentic Victorian Fashion Patterns: A Complete Lady's Wardrobe ed. > by > Kristina Harris. > > Everday Dress of Rural America, 1783-1800: With Illustrations and > Patterns, > byt Merideth Wright. > > Racinet's Full-Color Pictorial History of Western > Costume:.......August > Racinet (92 pages) > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 21:33:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29505 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:33:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05949; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:50:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17747 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:50:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17741 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:50:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-63-11.s11.tnt3.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.63.11]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA27871 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:56:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00b401bf2b2f$43d8c440$0b3faccf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <199911092330.SAA25937@jefferson.patriot.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Obituary-Richard Martin, Curator of the Costume Institute Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:53:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" Thank you Carol for sharing this information. Mr. Martin had written several scholarly articles for the Costume Society of America's journal "Dress" and sat on the board for many years. He will be greatly missed. Later...Penny _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 21:43:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29521 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:43:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07111; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18973 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:58:56 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hevanet.com (root@hevanet.com [198.5.254.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18964 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:58:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from wanda (li-ppp07.hevanet.com [204.119.60.227]) by hevanet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA14316 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:58:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Egyptians Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:52:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01BF2AEB.FB8769A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <000901bf2ae1$368bc100$b3cef1c3@henk> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Wanda Pease" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BF2AEB.FB8769A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tscapreelJust a side note. I've rented this movie in the states with the Title: The Advocate, fairly recently. Regina Romsey -----Original Message----- From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Henk 't Jong - tScapreel Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 8:48 AM To: H-Costume Subject: H-COST: Egyptians Hi, Some of you may have seen the movie The Hour of the Pig (with a.o. Ian Holm) in which a city lawyer defends a pig in a murder trial somewhere in the 15th c French countryside. In it Egyptians or gypsies play a crucial part. The thing is: I don't believe their costumes. Especially that of the girls. It's a lot like the ones you see on Esmeralda in The Hunchback etc.: loose blouse, seperate laced body and skirt(s). Somewhat wench-like, in other words. After looking intently through my library I can't find any reference on gypsy dress in the middle ages, at all! I know they entered nord-western Europe ca 1400, but I found no illlustrations mentioning them by name and showing them as dressed differently from the common populace. Has anybody on this list any information on pre-1500 gypsy dress? Thanks, Henk ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BF2AEB.FB8769A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable tscapreel
Just a side note.  I've rented = this movie=20 in the states with the Title: The Advocate, fairly=20 recently. 
 
Regina = Romsey
-----Original Message-----
From: = owner-h-costume@indra.com=20 [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On Behalf Of Henk 't Jong -=20 tScapreel
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 8:48 = AM
To:=20 H-Costume
Subject: H-COST: Egyptians

Hi,
 
Some of you may have seen the movie = The Hour of=20 the Pig (with a.o. Ian Holm) in which a city lawyer defends a pig in a = murder=20 trial somewhere in the 15th c French countryside. In it Egyptians or = gypsies=20 play a crucial part. The thing is: I don't believe their costumes. = Especially=20 that of the girls. It's a lot like the ones you see on Esmeralda in = The=20 Hunchback etc.: loose blouse, seperate laced body and skirt(s). = Somewhat=20 wench-like, in other words. After looking intently through my library = I can't=20 find any reference on gypsy dress in the middle ages, at all! I know = they=20 entered nord-western Europe ca 1400, but I found no illlustrations = mentioning=20 them by name and showing them as dressed differently from the common=20 populace.
 
Has anybody on this list any = information on=20 pre-1500 gypsy dress?
 
Thanks,
 
Henk
------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BF2AEB.FB8769A0-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 21:45:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29529 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:45:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07704; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:02:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19585 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:02:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from access2.mountain.net (root@Access2.mountain.net [198.77.1.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19578 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:02:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from woodenporch.com (AM17-39.NewMartinsville-WV.Mountain.Net [198.77.13.238]) by access2.mountain.net (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA18455 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:02:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38295081.C56AD94B@woodenporch.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:01:59 +0000 From: Lois X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: R. Martin References: <199911100347.UAA17344@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lois > >> From the New York Times on the web. > >>> > >>>November 9, 1999 > >>> > >>> > >>> Richard Martin, 52, Curator of the > >>> Costume Institute > >>> > >>> By ANNE-MARIE SCHIRO > >>> > >>> Richard Martin, who infused the Costume Institute of > >>> the Metropolitan Museum of Art with his deep > >>> knowledge of popular culture and art history, died > >>> yesterday at his apartment in New York. He was 52. What a surprise. First Betty Williams, then Otto Thieme and now Richard Martin. I wonder who the next costume historian will be to go. Such a loss to the community. Lois -- Lois Mueller Wooden Porch Books books@woodenporch.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 22:25:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29555 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:25:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11092; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:41:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24852 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:41:42 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail2.lig.bellsouth.net (mail2.lig.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.56]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24837 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:41:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (host-209-214-53-167.mgm.bellsouth.net [209.214.53.167]) by mail2.lig.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with SMTP id XAA25319 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:41:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001601bf2b33$c0ac3160$a735d6d1@pavilion> From: "Johnna and David Goss" To: References: <199911100347.UAA17344@net.indra.com> Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-Buttons Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:26:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Johnna and David Goss" I am looking for mainly ca.1750-1800's. Any information would be most helpful. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ From: "Bergdahl, Stephen" Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:05:28 -0800 Subject: RE: H-COST: Re: h-costume: Buttons - -Poster: "Bergdahl, Stephen" There are a number of places that sell buck buttons, what Period are you looking for? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 22:51:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29572 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:51:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13873; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:07:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29674 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:07:18 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29666 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:07:17 -0700 (MST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6UWIa01320 (4223) for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:06:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.646d9698.255a575f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:06:39 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Dover books To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com I use Everyday Dress of Rural America to make men's shirts. With some modifications, it works for early 19th century, too. The reprint of Cunnington's English Women's Fashion of the 19th Century is good, too. I can't comment of the other titles you suggest. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 23:32:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29618 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:32:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17356; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:49:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05270 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:49:50 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pop1.cyberhighway.net (pop1.cyberhighway.net [209.161.0.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05265 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:49:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199911100549.WAA05265@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 1391 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1999 22:49:45 -0700 Received: from ts16-40.boi.cyberhighway.net (HELO kathy) (209.161.9.96) by pop1.cyberhighway.net with SMTP; 9 Nov 1999 22:49:45 -0700 From: "K & J Hopkins" To: Subject: H-COST: Have to Share (long) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:58:02 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "K & J Hopkins" I posted this to the h-needlework list and I thought the costume list might be interested too. I just have to share my great good fortune with someone. My mom conducts Personal Property and Estate sales, and last week she had a doosy. For 3 weeks we worked on organizing and pricing, and my job was the sewing room. There were at least 300 patterns from the 1940's to the 1980's. This woman did textile painting, knitting, tole painting and made her own hats. Oh yes, there were 50 or so fabulous hats. But the most amazing and wonderful things were the handmade laces. My mom said, "You know more about this stuff, go through and put a price on them". Well, I thought, "Sure, no problem, put three or four pieces in a bag and put $1.00 on it". It wasn't until I got a good look at them, that I realized that there something much more special than just some bits of lace. As I looked at these treasures, I knew in my heart that they were handmade, but I had no idea what technique was used to make them. The pieces belonged to the woman's, first husband's, mother. Her first husband was born in 1893 in New York. His mother was from Scotland. There was a note attached to a baby bonnet that explained that it was his baby bonnet, made by his grandmother. I found out later that it is Battenberg Lace. Most of the pieces are Appliqués, but they don't appear to have ever been used on a garment. There were also cuffs and collars. So, I was pretty sure that none of the pieces were crafted after 1920. But the intricacy of the work is mind boggling and I still could not bring myself to declare them handmade. I brought them home to show my DH and he was so excited that he got out the magnifying glass to study them more closely. That was when I started to find the little imperfections, 5 picots on one side, 6 on the exact opposite, tighter needlelace here, looser over there. I could see needleweaving, needlelace, twisted threads and thought... Bobbin Lace? So I took my treasures to an acquaintance who does Bobbin Lace to see if she could shed some light on what I had. All she could tell me is that all the stitches she saw were in the Bobbin Lace repertoire, but that she couldn't say if these were Bobbin Lace for sure. My next stop was with a very knowledge woman in my local chapter of the EGA. We spent 2 hours pouring over her lace books trying to figure out what was what. An we were more successful than I ever thought we would be. She had Elizabeth Kurella's books 'The Pocket Guide to Valuable Old Lace and Linens' and 'The Guide to Lace and Linens'. I highly recommend these books. We were able to identify the Irish Crochet collar, the 2 yards of Coronation Cord/Crochet trim, and the Battenberg Lace. We made the distinction between the handmade and machine made laces. Let me tell you, the machine laces are very fine too. We made conclusive identification of three pieces of Bobbin Lace and suspect that the others are as well, but there are so many different styles of Bobbin Lace!!!! We also found a piece of Drawnwork and two Tenerife doilies. It was fun! But now I had to fix a price on these beauties. I had already determined that I would purchase three items for myself, but how to price the others? Lace, no matter how beautiful, is not a hot item in the world of collectors at the moment. So, I did not price too cheap or too high, more along the lines of how much I would spend, if it was me making the purchase. The end result, the Drawnwork and the two Tenerife pieces sold, as well as some beautiful Fillet Crochet pieces. The rest now resides in my house with me. I waited until the end of the sale, half price Sunday, no less, and they were still there. If I had not purchased them, they would have gone to the Thrift Store. So now I have just over 20 pieces of incredible handmade lace, 15 of which I know to be Victorian. My intent is to display them in some fashion. But I would like to learn more about them. It has been suggested that I can send off several pieces to Lacis, in Berkley, and that they have someone that could appraise them. Has anyone out there ever done this? Is there anywhere else that might offer the same service? I am off tomorrow to buy some acid free tissue to store them in, until I can get them mounted and framed. Kathlene _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 9 23:43:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29624 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:43:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18025; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:59:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06545 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:59:52 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06535 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:59:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13901 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:59:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-152.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.152]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21403 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:59:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000c01bf2b42$bec85860$fd5efea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: References: <4.1.19991104043305.00b25440@pop.slip.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: White Jeans Machine Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:45:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" It is also available in the Clotilde's catalog. I have a catalog here if anyone needs the info on it. Michelle > > -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows > > Was this the list where someone wanted information about the White Jeans > Machine sewing machine? I just got a flyer from Hancock Fabric Warehouse > (possibly called Minesota Fabrics or something else in another part of the > country) which had these for sale at $249, marked down from $349. No > free-arm, no case (has handle on top for carying), 32 built-in stitches and > and built-in buttonholer. (This is not a reccomendation, just info.) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 02:41:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA10141 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 02:41:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27009; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 01:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25124 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 01:56:38 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25114 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 01:56:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.128] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11lTYQ-00024j-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:56:35 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991104073031.00c79300@pop.slip.net> Message-Id: <4.1.19991104073031.00c79300@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 07:39:59 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: H-COST: finishing lacing cords In-Reply-To: <0.319bc134.2559f126@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >Richard the Thread, in Los Angeles, carries a corset lacing crimper tool and >the metal crimps that go with it. I looked in the Dover reprint of Jost Amman's Book of Trades, and studied the picture of the lacing maker (thong maker?). Then I looked at the surviving real ones in Janet Arnold's book. I made mine with .006inch thick brass shim stock I bought at a hardware store, a hammer, and a little tiny anvil a roommate had. It took one 1"x3/4" piece for each tip. Since then I have done the same with pliers and the same shim stock. I cut the brass with my cut-thru-anything scissors. Richard the Thread's probably look like mine, minus the hammer/plier marks. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 02:41:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA10153 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 02:41:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27002; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 01:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25122 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 01:56:37 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25101 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 01:56:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.128] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11lTYP-00024j-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:56:33 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991104072610.00cb7980@pop.slip.net> Message-Id: <4.1.19991104072610.00cb7980@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 07:26:52 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Waistcoat vs. weskit In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >BTW, I've never heard of 'weskit' as an independent word either, just a >jokey mis-spelling or a rendering of colloquial speech. Jokey rendering it may be, but somehow my spell checker had heard of it. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 04:10:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01052 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 04:10:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA02295; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 03:27:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20776 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 03:27:10 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from spdmgaab.compuserve.com (ds-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.206.135]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20650 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 03:27:08 -0700 (MST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id FAA12457; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:26:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:25:14 -0500 From: Margaret Bolger Subject: H-COST: 18thC Waistcoats To: all Cc: all Message-ID: <199911100525_MC2-8C81-52C1@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id DAA20701 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Margaret Bolger You may already be aware of this, but just in case...... The Bath Museum of Costume's web site currently have a whole load of 18thC men's waistcoats on display on the site :- http://www.museumofcostume.co.uk Click on "Museum Collection", then follow the link "Details of objects" - this gives you a list of items. Click on one and you get quite a detailed description - images can be viewed by clicking on the grren bar above the list. Hope this is of some interest! Margaret antique costume & textiles http://www.artizania.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 06:24:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01172 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:24:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10534; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:41:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12074 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:40:52 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA12058 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:40:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JI684OTY5C0007C3@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:40:33 GMT Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JI683TW0W4000FKH@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:34:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 10 Nov 99 12:33:03 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44) ; 10 Nov 99 12:32:42 GMT0BST Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.126) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 10 Nov 99 12:32:41 GMT0BST Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:32:41 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: Re: H-COST: Colourfastness in linen In-reply-to: <199911072050.NAA01451@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <8FCEFDB1253@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 Hi Michelle > Well, I don't know why...Two times I have had some colorful > linen. The first was a warmly rich apricot color. I prewashed it > and it faded, a lot. Then for some reason, I had to wash it a second > time. It is now a peach color. It lost all its vibrance and it is > pale. Because of that, I haven't bothered making anything with it. > I am afraid that with a few more washings, it might end up off > white. The other piece was turquoise. Again, this was fairly > vibrant, until I washed it. I made a skirt for someone with the > express order, hand wash cold only if neccessary. Both pieces were > remnants and it could have been a problem with the dye. I have no > idea. I just know how disappointed I was, especially with the > apricot. Seems like you had bad luck with that linen. I haven't done much in coloured linen (the price can be prohibitive for linen cloth) but last year I saw some cheap linen fabric in awful colours (dusky sky blue and pale salmony pink). It was ends of rolls so I bought what there was of each, zig-zagged the raw edges and shoved the lot through the washing-machine a *bright* yellow Dylon dye. The pink came out a lovely golden-yellow, the blue a bluey-sage green and I used them to make a parti-coloured cotehardie with matching hose and "paltock". The cotehardie is the only part finished so far (lots of handsewn eyelets to do on the hose and paltock) so has been worn (and washed) several times with different hose and still matches the pieces that haven't been washed yet. Perhaps overdying fixed the exisiting dye in the fabric, or perhaps the dye in the fabric you had wasn't very colourfast? Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 06:34:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01206 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:34:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11293; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:52:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13078 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:51:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA13068 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:51:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JI683A902O000BLI@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:51:43 GMT Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JI66R8EIXS000C7T@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:56:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 10 Nov 99 11:54:39 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44) ; 10 Nov 99 11:54:18 GMT0BST Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.126) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 10 Nov 99 11:54:01 GMT0BST Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:54:01 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: H-COST: Organ-pipe pleats in Payne In-reply-to: <199911050007.RAA13682@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <8FC4BF0786E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 Hi > >http://tudor.simplenet.com/henry8/henryred2.jpg > > > Organ pipe pleats as shown in the existing bases in Blanche Payne and > Kohler, with a diagram in Blanche Payne's History of Costume FIRST > edition. I got hold of a copy of the first edition of the Payne book. It has neat patterns in the back and a photo of the bases, but I can't see a diagram. Please can someone tell me the page number in case I'm missing it? Thanks Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 06:46:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01221 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:46:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12130; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:03:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14522 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:03:37 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14516 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:03:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JI66SXP2E8000BSZ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:03:25 GMT Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JI674VABNI000FKH@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:07:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 10 Nov 99 12:05:39 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44) ; 10 Nov 99 12:05:37 GMT0BST Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.126) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 10 Nov 99 12:05:30 GMT0BST Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:05:30 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: Re: H-COST: waistcoat vs. weskit In-reply-to: <199911051253.FAA10629@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <8FC7C391F38@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 > What's the difference between a waistcoat and a weskit? My impression > is that a waistcoat is long and 18th century, possibly as late as the > Regency, whereas a weskit is what I would call a vest - shorter and > Victorian or later. Which name goes with what garments? Here (in the Uk and among the people I have reason to talk to about such things) what Americans call a "vest" is called a "waistcoat," and the long ones are referred to as "long waistcoats" What we call a vest is a sleeveless garment worn next the skin under all the otherclothes. Similarly, "pants" are a lower body garment worn under everything else. It's often a source of amusement, to me at least, when Americans refer to "vest and pants" because it conjures up a picture of someone in his underwear > Is 'waistcoat' ever pronounced like the letters indicate it ought > to be pronounced? Yes. Waist-coat, like the two words run together. "weskit" looks/sounds, to me, like a regional variation on the pronunciation, or slang. Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 07:16:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01240 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:16:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14827; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:33:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA18140 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:33:13 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA18133 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:33:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JI69928CAO000BSB@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:32:55 GMT Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JI68T6JV0M000CIW@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:55:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 10 Nov 99 12:53:29 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44) ; 10 Nov 99 12:53:18 GMT0BST Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.126) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 10 Nov 99 12:53:08 GMT0BST Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:53:08 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: Re: H-COST: Vests and Tanks In-reply-to: <199911091506.IAA12844@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <8FD47B85A97@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 Hi > Say....isn't a "vest" in Britain a sleeveless undershirt? What we > would call a "tank". I have a couple of "Takn-tops". Knitted sleeveless sweaters for wearing over shirts. They're pretty old-fashioned but were popular in the town I grew up in in the '70s. Colleagues laugh at them when I wear them these days Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 08:15:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01397 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:15:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20327; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:32:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26216 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:32:09 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26208 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:32:08 -0700 (MST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6EDEa23065 (3934) for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:31:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.36660c7c.255adbc8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:31:36 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: finishing lacing cords To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 40 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cheryldee@aol.com In a message dated 11/10/99 1:57:44 AM Mountain Standard Time, kayta@slip.net writes: << I made mine with .006inch thick brass shim stock I bought at a hardware store, a hammer, and a little tiny anvil a roommate had. It took one 1"x3/4" piece for each tip. Since then I have done the same with pliers and the same shim stock. I cut the brass with my cut-thru-anything scissors. Richard the Thread's probably look like mine, minus the hammer/plier marks. >> What a wonderful and creative solution and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg. This little bit of information is being taken to the costume shop when I go to work today! Thanks, Cheryl _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 08:30:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01409 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:30:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21643; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:46:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28586 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:46:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.wireweb.net (mail.wireweb.net [216.3.229.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28568 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:46:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail.wireweb.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:44:07 -0600 Received: by mail.wireweb.net from dragonlair (216.3.231.187::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V3.2); Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:44:06 -0600 Message-ID: <38298620.6925@wireweb.net> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:50:08 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Have to Share (long) References: <199911100549.WAA05265@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SLUIDL: 96A3E1CD-974A11D3-BB3E0040-33537EE5 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Alexandria Doyle" K & J Hopkins wrote: > > > So now I have just over 20 pieces of incredible handmade lace, 15 of which > I know to be Victorian. My intent is to display them in some fashion. But > I would like to learn more about them. It has been suggested that I can > send off several pieces to Lacis, in Berkley, and that they have someone > that could appraise them. Has anyone out there ever done this? Is there > anywhere else that might offer the same service? > > I am off tomorrow to buy some acid free tissue to store them in, until I > can get them mounted and framed. > > Kathlene > Kathlene, Just the other day Lynnette Jenning did a spot on Lacis and showed the owner's collection. The owner apparently collects laces and she might not only be able to give you information about the pieces, but also some tips on display, as that was part of the spot on Lynnette Jennings. Alexandria _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 08:31:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01413 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:31:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21898; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:48:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28938 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:48:03 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web1606.mail.yahoo.com (web1606.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.206]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA28922 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:48:02 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19991110144801.9744.rocketmail@web1606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.164.220.183] by web1606.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:48:01 PST Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:48:01 -0800 (PST) From: Martha McCain Subject: RE: H-COST: finishing lacing cords To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Martha McCain "Point" well taken, Maggie. But absolute? "Points were originally the metal tags on thongs of leather, but by the fifteenth century the latter had been given the French name aiguillette, and the thongs were then called 'points'. When points bore no aiguillettes they were said to be 'untagged'." "Costume in the Drama of Shakespeare and His Contemporaries" by M. Channing Linthicum "Laces of silk or braid, with tags or points at the ends, were fixed to the top of the hose...." "Medieval Costume and Fashion" (p.222) by Herbert Norris Martha ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 09:26:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01476 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:26:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28776; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:37:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09448 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:37:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx2.io.com (IDENT:root@mx2.io.com [199.170.88.18]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09433 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:37:30 -0700 (MST) From: ches@io.com Received: from eris.io.com (IDENT:ches@eris.io.com [199.170.88.11]) by mx2.io.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA26556 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:37:25 -0600 Received: from localhost (ches@localhost) by eris.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA28493 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:37:20 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: eris.io.com: ches owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:37:20 -0600 (EST) To: Multiple recipients of list H-COSTUME Subject: H-COST: art gallery Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: ches@io.com what is the url for that gallery that we all reference to for costumes where we can zoom into the picture? Sincerely, F. Havas ches@io.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 12:11:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01874 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:10:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27838; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:26:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26045 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:26:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26035 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:26:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24127 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:26:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from henk (vp204-229.worldonline.nl [195.241.204.229]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA12069 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:26:51 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00ba01bf2ba9$022c7a80$e5ccf1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <000101bf166c$1a8b5080$6b037a86@phoenix.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Pourpoints & passe-poils Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:15:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" Hi all, This question hasn't been answered yet, has it? > Does anyone know what "Passe-poils" are? The are only referenced in the > plural; generally with either sort of pourpoint. The 15th c expression is > typically something like: monies paid "pour faire une pourpoint passe-poils > vert fonce assiettes grises". I've tried several french dictionaries but > can only go back as far as Jean Nicot's "Thresor de la langue française" > (1606) > which says "Passe-poil. s. m. Petit bord de tafetas, de satin, ou d'autre > estoffe, qui est different de celle de l'habit, & qui > se met à l'endroit des coutures, & aux extrémitez de l'habit". This > description is rather like contrasting piping or dagging set into a seam or > as edging. The word came up last saturday at a talk by our national archeological-leather expert at our Medieval Autumn gathering. With shoes it's french for the narrow strip of thin leather which is used to finish the openings, especially of later medieval shoes. In other words: a kind of piping. I guess they did the same with these pourpoints, which were originally rather thick, padded jackets which are hard to seam. Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 12:11:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01878 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:11:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27791; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:26:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25781 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:25:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ntserver1.mainsaver.com ([206.17.202.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25776 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:25:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by HP-LH3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:18:01 -0800 Message-ID: <5B38B8D7EED8D211997F00A0C9E57FB91DB5A5@HP-LH3> From: MAGGIE SECARA To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: finishing lacing cords Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:17:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MAGGIE SECARA I suspect Norris is where we all got the idea that the correct term for the tags is points, but Norris is not my resource of choice. As for the other quote, I'm not familiar with the author. Absolute? At the times they are called whatever they're called, yes. Lots of things only have one name at any one time. Obviously I've done my temporalcentric trick of thinking in the 16th century alone. For general clarity, though, I'd still recommend calling the laces points, and the tags aiglets, to avoid confusion across the time line. Cheers! MaggiRos A Compendium of Common Knowledge (1558-1603) is at http://ren.dm.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Martha McCain [SMTP:mmccain_2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 2:48 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: H-COST: finishing lacing cords > > > -Poster: Martha McCain > > "Point" well taken, Maggie. But absolute? > > "Points were originally the metal tags on thongs of > leather, but by the fifteenth century the latter had > been given the French name aiguillette, and the thongs > were then called 'points'. When points bore no > aiguillettes they were said to be 'untagged'." > "Costume in the Drama of Shakespeare and His > Contemporaries" by M. Channing Linthicum > > "Laces of silk or braid, with tags or points at the > ends, were fixed to the top of the hose...." > "Medieval Costume and Fashion" (p.222) by Herbert > Norris > > Martha > > > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 12:47:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02053 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:47:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04035; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:03:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06681 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:03:11 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bigred.unl.edu (00217146@bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06666 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:03:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA05536 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:07:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:07:50 -0600 (CST) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Vests and Tanks In-Reply-To: <8FD47B85A97@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> > I have a couple of "Takn-tops". Knitted sleeveless sweaters for > wearing over shirts. They're pretty old-fashioned but were popular > in the town I grew up in in the '70s. Colleagues laugh at them > when I wear them these days Almost. We call those "Sweater vests," and they seem to be coming back into style. "Tank tops" are much skimpier, usually a much finer knit (like t-shirts, as opposed to something a sane person would be likely to be able to knit), and came out in a astonishing variety of designs as outerwear this summer. Or, at any rate, this is the local terminology/variation Emma, from the midwestern US _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 13:21:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02094 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:21:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09649; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:37:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14809 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:35:20 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA14787 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:35:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.19.1.106] ([172.19.1.106]) by mail.cho.org; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:34:59 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <8FD47B85A97@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:35:58 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: H-COST: Vests and Tanks Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lynn Downward >-Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> > > >> I have a couple of "Takn-tops". Knitted sleeveless sweaters for >> wearing over shirts. They're pretty old-fashioned but were popular >> in the town I grew up in in the '70s. Colleagues laugh at them >> when I wear them these days > >Almost. We call those "Sweater vests," and they seem to be coming back >into style. "Tank tops" are much skimpier, usually a much finer knit >(like t-shirts, as opposed to something a sane person would be likely to >be able to knit), and came out in a astonishing variety of designs as >outerwear this summer. > >Or, at any rate, this is the local terminology/variation > >Emma, from the midwestern US > Same terminology here in (rainy) Northern California. Teddy, your colleagues will be dismayed when these same sweater vests become popular again this winter and you're ahead of fashion. Those skimpy tank tops from the 70's were being worn by teens here all summer, and I expect the 70's look, including your sweater vests, will continue to be the rage everywhere; they work so well with the resurfacing of ABBA, platform shoes, bell bottoms and the belly button as a fashion accessory we've been seeing for the past year. My just-turned-13 daughter even toyed with the idea of wearing one of her tank tops to school over a turtle-neck shirt yesterday. It's getting colder here, and she hates to be cold. I looked good in these styles in the 70's but I don't dare wear them now. Maybe I'd wear the sweater vest though - depends on how cold it get! LynnD Who doesn't even wear sweats out of the house _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 13:33:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02125 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:33:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11291; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:49:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17758 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:47:45 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17746 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:47:43 -0700 (MST) From: SAQUEEN@aol.com Received: from SAQUEEN@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6DBEa17867 (3980) for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:47:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.30a5c395.255b25bc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:47:08 EST Subject: H-COST: Check out -Museum of London- To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com Hi All, Want a fun look at shoes,check out the exhibition overview from a past exhibition at Museum of London. It is a great museum -- put it on your "must do" list when in London. Click here: -Museum of London- Sally Calendar 2000: Historic Fashions Turning the Centuries http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 15:10:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02442 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:10:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28009; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:26:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11694 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:25:52 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.shadow.net (mail.shadow.net [204.177.71.231]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11674 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:25:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from joedunfe (ip247.fort-lauderdale.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.10.13.247]) by mail.shadow.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA05910 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:25:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19991110213431.009064f8@shadow.net> X-Sender: jdunfee@shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:34:31 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joe Dunfee Subject: H-COST: 1st Century scribe accessories Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Joe Dunfee This may be a bit off topic, as it might be classified as a prop, rather than a clothing accessory, but here goes... I am making scrolls for a play which features the biblical character of Zacchaeus(a Tax collector), and also for Nicodemus. In this play, Zac is going to visit deliquent tax payers and we already have a kind of book of records he is using for reference. He also has a quill, to check people off, but we are currently ignoring where the ink for the quill comes from. So, what is the 1st century Roman equivalent of a Palm Pilot computer? The quill must be parked somewhere and he must have a container of ink. Anyone know of anything authentic I can make? When I try to make up something, what I come up with is a small glass bottle on a cord, which hangs around his neck. (sort of like the small bubble blowers kids have) The cork of the bottle has a large ring on top, so that he can grab the small bottle with his fingers, and fit his thumb into that ring and remove the cork with the same and, leaving his other hand free to dip the quill. Our book consists of a number of loose pages, which have been folded in half and then placed over a wood dowel. Through holes in the pages, a leather strap has been tied to the dowel rod so that the book can hang from the character's shoulder like a purse. For a place to park the quill pen... I imagine a leather pocket which is made part of the book, and attached to the dowel inside. Joe Dunfee, joe@dunfee.com Fort Lauderdale, Florida USA _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 16:00:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02569 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:00:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05539; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:16:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24590 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:16:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24567 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:16:04 -0700 (MST) From: seamstrix@juno.com Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id EQ4KKVDK; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:11:45 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:09:24 -0600 Subject: Re: H-COST: 1st Century scribe accessories Message-ID: <19991110.161030.-527893.0.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-6,9-10 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com Well, the classic place for scribes to carry their quills is behind the ear. Doesn't need a special container, just an ear. As a matter of fact there is a type of bird called a secretary bird which has sprays of feathers at the 'ears'. The Europeans who first saw them thought they looked like secretaries running about with quill pens behind their ears. I also question, probably too late, why you chose a book form for the 'written upon' part? As far I know, the Romans used scrolls. The book-form that we are familiar with evolved post-Roman. Karen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 16:03:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02578 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:03:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06185; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:19:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25408 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:19:20 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25396 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:19:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mercury.physics.adelaide.edu.au (mercury [129.127.36.44]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id IAA16668 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:49:14 +1030 (CST) Received: from localhost by mercury.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.65v4.0/1.1.19.2/11Aug99-1220PM) id AA22548; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:49:14 +1030 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:49:13 +1030 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 1st Century scribe accessories In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19991110213431.009064f8@shadow.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Joe Dunfee wrote: > > -Poster: Joe Dunfee > > This may be a bit off topic, as it might be classified as a prop, rather > than a clothing accessory, but here goes... > > The quill must be parked somewhere and he must have a container of ink. > Anyone know of anything authentic I can make? > I've seen plenty of depictions of 'portable scribe kits', though usually in Egyptian art (I think one of them even makes it as a hieroglyph). That might be getting a bit old. Why not just use a wax tablet and a stylus - that was often used by the Romans I understand. The scribe kits are designed to hang from the belt usually btw. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 16:13:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02608 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:13:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08062; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:30:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27946 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:29:43 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.mdsi.bc.ca (mail.mdsi.bc.ca [204.239.2.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27930 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:29:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from pc319.mdsi.bc.ca (pc319.mdsi.bc.ca [204.50.232.110]) by mail.mdsi.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA20536 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:28:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991110143218.01002ba4@mail> X-Sender: cchadwic@mail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:32:18 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Celeste Chadwick Subject: H-COST: 1st Century scribe accessories Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Celeste Chadwick Actually, I would recommend a wax tablet. Here's a webpage location on how to construct one: http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/tablets.html Celeste Celeste Chadwick Development Administrative Assistant MDSI Mobile Data Solutions 10271 Shellbridge Way Richmond, BC Canada, V6X 2W8 Tel: 604 207 6459 Fax: 604 207 6060 cchadwic@mdsi.bc.ca www.mdsi-advantex.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 16:26:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02694 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:26:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10216; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:42:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01690 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:42:45 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.mdsi.bc.ca (mail.mdsi.bc.ca [204.239.2.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01668 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:42:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from pc319.mdsi.bc.ca (pc319.mdsi.bc.ca [204.50.232.110]) by mail.mdsi.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA21312 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:41:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991110144039.00af19f4@mail> X-Sender: cchadwic@mail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:40:39 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Celeste Chadwick Subject: H-COST: 1st Century scribe accessories Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Celeste Chadwick Found another webpage location with more instructions on how to construct one! http://www.provide.net/~randyaf/tablet.html >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:32:18 -0800 >To: h-costume@indra.com >From: Celeste Chadwick >Subject: H-COST: 1st Century scribe accessories > >Actually, I would recommend a wax tablet. Here's a webpage location on how to construct one: > >http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/tablets.html > >Celeste Celeste Chadwick Development Administrative Assistant MDSI Mobile Data Solutions 10271 Shellbridge Way Richmond, BC Canada, V6X 2W8 Tel: 604 207 6459 Fax: 604 207 6060 cchadwic@mdsi.bc.ca www.mdsi-advantex.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 16:42:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02723 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:42:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12286; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:55:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05184 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:55:39 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05175 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:55:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02724 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-51.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.51]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14512 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:55:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005d01bf2bd0$ab1f2440$95bffea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: References: <5B38B8D7EED8D211997F00A0C9E57FB91DB5A5@HP-LH3> Subject: Re: H-COST: finishing lacing cords Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:25:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" > > -Poster: MAGGIE SECARA >For general > clarity, though, I'd still recommend calling the laces points, and the tags > aiglets, to avoid confusion across the time line. > MaggiRos This would also denote usage. I think Maggi has a good idea. Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 16:47:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02732 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:47:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13635; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:04:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07437 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:03:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chupacabras.flash.net (chupacabras.flash.net [209.30.2.16]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07413 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:03:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (p192.amax29.dialup.hou1.flash.net [209.30.70.192]) by chupacabras.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10680 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:03:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3829F9C4.A7B64ABC@flash.net> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:03:32 -0600 From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Subject: H-COST: Re: status - Arnold's Queen Liz... References: <381A6020.988EC7A5@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Charlene Charette Amazon Drygoods does indeed have this book in stock; I don't know how many. --Charlene -- When the origin of a thing is remote and mysterious it has been the custom to attribute it to the Devil or to Asia. -- Sir William Gurney Benham, _Playing_Cards_ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 19:01:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02972 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:01:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00611; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:18:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09636 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:18:03 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09630 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (216-164-48-126.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com [216.164.48.126]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA26094; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:17:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004001bf2be2$a982fb40$0200a8c0@pavilion> From: "Megan McHugh" To: , Subject: Re: H-COST: Dover books Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:18:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Megan McHugh" It was the Dover Christmas Catalog. It advertises "Featuring over 1200 beautiful and practical books for gift giving, most $1.00 to $6.95" Funny, they do not accept credit card or phone orders! The address listed is: Dover Publications, Inc. 31 East 2nd Street Mineola, New York 11501-3582 Payment in full must accompany all orders..... I cannot find a phone number or web address anywhere on the thing. They also say that they offer a complete 112 page catalog you can get if you ask for it on the order form. I wonder why they do not want business but send out catalogs??? I don't know anyone who orders stuff without at least a phone number. Has anyone ordered from them? How was your experience? -----Original Message----- From: Cindy Abel To: Megan McHugh Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 10:58 AM Subject: Re: H-COST: Dover books Can you give me the address to get the Dover book catalog and does it cost anything? Thanks _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 19:19:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02991 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:19:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02655; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:36:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12431 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:36:09 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12422 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:36:07 -0700 (MST) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6INZa20411 (4314) for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:35:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.a5054ce2.255b7762@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:35:30 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: art gallery To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com In a message dated 11/10/1999 07:38:38 Pacific Standard Time, ches@io.com writes: << what is the url for that gallery that we all reference to for costumes where we can zoom into the picture? Sincerely, F. Havas ches@io.com >> There are many many of them. The SF De Young has zoom, as well as few others. Did you need something specific? Here's a few of the best, but not sure if any are what you wanted. http://www.thinker.org/imagebase/index.html (DeYoung) Carol Gerten's Fine Arts http://cgfa.kelloggcreek.com/ Mark Harden's Artchive http://www.artchive.com/artchive/ftptoc/leonardo_ext.html Web Gallery of Art http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/artist.html +++++ Angela F. Lazear Costumes & Custom Clothing Theatrical Costume Design "If we shadows have offended, think but this, and all is mended, That you have but slumbered here, while these visions did appear." A Midsummer Night's Dream; V, ii - W. Shakespeare QUICK-LINK: http://come.to/costumes FULL URL: http://sj.znet.com/~thespian/angil/index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 20:25:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03086 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:25:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10666; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:40:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22488 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:40:29 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA22471 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:40:26 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:40:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 11288 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1999 02:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO JOANJURA) (207.231.70.164) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 1999 02:40:16 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19991110184540.4497452c@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: Dover books Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 08:18 PM 11/10/99 -0500, Megan McHugh wrote: > >-Poster: "Megan McHugh" > >It was the Dover Christmas Catalog. It advertises "Featuring over 1200 >beautiful and practical books for gift giving, most $1.00 to $6.95" >Funny, they do not accept credit card or phone orders! The address listed >is: >Dover Publications, Inc. >31 East 2nd Street >Mineola, New York 11501-3582 > >Payment in full must accompany all orders..... >I cannot find a phone number or web address anywhere on the thing. They >also say that they offer a complete 112 page catalog you can get if you ask >for it on the order form. I wonder why they do not want business but send >out catalogs??? I don't know anyone who orders stuff without at least a >phone number. Has anyone ordered from them? How was your experience? Yes, I have ordered from the Dover catalog. And, yes, you must use a check and USPS mail . But you get the best choice of their publications, which you don't get at regular bookstores, even the large ones. And they have quite a number of catalogs on different subjects. Evidently they get plenty of business without a webpage or email or phone orders or credit card orders . Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 20:38:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03111 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:38:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11242; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:47:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23596 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:47:44 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23582 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:47:42 -0700 (MST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6DLW0zGJv5 (3897) for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:47:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.1c9535a9.255b882b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:47:07 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Dover books To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com Credit cards cost a company money. I imagine Dover prefers not to accept them to keep costs down. Many museum shops, including ours, deal with Dover all the time and are satisfied. I'm not sure if they have a toll-free number; their regular number is 576-294-7000. The only thing about them I have found slightly annoying is, if part of a shipment is back-ordered, they will send it by itself later and charge you the usually higher shipping involved for sending just a few items. Dover re-prints many out of print books which would otherwise be virtually impossible to find. Their historic paper dolls are great fun. They also have a large line of $1 and $2 books from the 19th century (Jane Austens are $2.) Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 20:48:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03130 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:48:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12935; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:05:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26526 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:05:02 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from scnc.pcs.k12.mi.us (mail.pcs.k12.mi.us [204.39.58.102]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26520 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pcs.k12.mi.us (pm456-31.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.89]) by scnc.pcs.k12.mi.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA16715 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:04:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3829EDD2.790F3A3D@pcs.k12.mi.us> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:12:40 +0000 From: Jean Zerby X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: QEWU References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Jean Zerby The catalog sounds good. Info on that please? : ) Raella trekona@erols.com wrote: > -Poster: trekona@erols.com > > Hello > Did the person who was looking for _QE's Wardrobe Unlocked_ ever find a > copy? If someone is still looking for it, my catalog from 'Hard-to-Find > Needlework Books' just arrived and p24 lists QEWU for $175. > If anyone is interested, the stock number is #31302 and Bette Feinstein can > be reached at 617/969-0942 or 96 Roundwood Rd Newton MA 02464. > I have no idea how many copies she may have of this. > > -Judy Mitchell > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 21:08:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03145 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:08:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14771; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:23:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29322 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:22:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29314 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:22:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991111032257.DLQP13750.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:22:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:00:37 -0800 Subject: Re: H-COST: Dover books From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991111032257.DLQP13750.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "R.L. Shep" I agree with this - with the exception that buying a Dover book without looking at it first can cause you a lot of problems. Many of the books will cover a large historical time span and the illustrations will not be dated. Quite often there is litle or no text to go with them. If you hit on the right one for you it can be wonderful, if not... well they are inexpensive. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com ---------- >From: AnnBWass@aol.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: Dover books >Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999, 6:47 PM > > >-Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com > > Credit cards cost a company money. I imagine Dover prefers not to accept >them to keep costs down. Many museum shops, including ours, deal with Dover >all the time and are satisfied. I'm not sure if they have a toll-free >number; their regular number is 576-294-7000. The only thing about them I >have found slightly annoying is, if part of a shipment is back-ordered, they >will send it by itself later and charge you the usually higher shipping >involved for sending just a few items. > > Dover re-prints many out of print books which would otherwise be >virtually impossible to find. Their historic paper dolls are great fun. >They also have a large line of $1 and $2 books from the 19th century (Jane >Austens are $2.) > >Ann Wass > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 21:23:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03153 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:23:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17527; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:40:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02090 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:40:25 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from scnc.pcs.k12.mi.us (mail.pcs.k12.mi.us [204.39.58.102]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02080 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:40:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from pcs.k12.mi.us (pm456-31.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.89]) by scnc.pcs.k12.mi.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA18777 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:40:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3829F617.D5453A54@pcs.k12.mi.us> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:48:04 +0000 From: Jean Zerby X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Portrait of a Lady References: <0B3E3AA67456D311A9FC0000E889ED9847BF4C@na-dpw1.dpw.alcoa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Jean Zerby This is a fun catalog w/lots of droolable stuff esp for victorian nuts Raella "Fairchild, Connie E." wrote: > -Poster: "Fairchild, Connie E." > > I received a PAST TIMES gift catalog in the mail recently and on the cover > is a beautifully reproduced portrait which they describe as "Portrait of a > Lady in a richly embroidered dress attributed to Daniel Dumonstier (1565 - > 1656). Courtesy of Sotheby's, London." This is not my period of most > interest (1830's - 1840's is), but thought some of you might be interested > in this portrait due to the very clear large image and detail shown, it is > from the mid-chest up. The georgeous ruff (I think it's called) is > incredibly done, if I knew how to make lace, I think I could look at this to > make a pattern. I don't know the descriptions of the parts of the apparel > to do it justice with a description, but the minute details are striking. > > They describe their catalog as having gifts and home accents inspired by > Great Britain's past, it is a new one to me and have not seen this one > before. However, I think I'll choose a couple of items just so I can get > another catalog to see what they have on the next cover!! They have some > medieval-style Christmas cards which have caught my interest. > > They have a web site www.past-times.com and on the catalog request page > although they don't have the present cover, they do show a different one > which was also a period portrait. > > No affiliation, not even a customer, yet. Connie Fairchild > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 22:06:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03189 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:06:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21754; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:22:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08031 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:22:08 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from scnc.pcs.k12.mi.us (mail.pcs.k12.mi.us [204.39.58.102]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08022 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:22:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from pcs.k12.mi.us (pm455-35.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.45]) by scnc.pcs.k12.mi.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA20917 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:22:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3829FFD6.2652CB94@pcs.k12.mi.us> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:29:46 +0000 From: Jean Zerby X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Business out of home References: <199911081547.IAA26011@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Jean Zerby So far I've been able to use fear as an effective method for keeping most all but the craziest (alas, there are a few) from darkening my door unanounced. * Evil grin * I'm a firm believer in the civilized custom of calling ( not too late ) before plopping yourself on a doorstep. You may have to turn away (graciously, of course) those who are not so civilized, a few times before they get the hint. If you don't, they will continue with a method that apparently works. My 2c. Raella Lady Unicorn wrote: > -Poster: "Lady Unicorn" > > Question to pose to those of you with a sewing business run from your home. > Have any of you had people just stop by, unnanounced, to pick up, drop off, > try on etc. and how did you handle it? Specifically during odd times like > 8:30 pm on a week night or on a Sunday. > > Carrie > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 22:11:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03199 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:11:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22242; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:27:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07349 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:17:06 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.va.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.va.home.com [24.2.32.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07341 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:17:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from C59303A ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.va.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991111041702.DQUO23900.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@C59303A> for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:17:02 -0800 Message-ID: <007801bf2c60$4ed90030$ac350418@C59303A> From: "fhavas" To: References: <0.a5054ce2.255b7762@aol.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: art gallery Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:13:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "fhavas" Thanks! I needed the one that sends out postcards of the images and allows you to search by title or keyword in the description. Sincerely, FHavas Dallas, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 7:35 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: art gallery > > -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com > > In a message dated 11/10/1999 07:38:38 Pacific Standard Time, ches@io.com > writes: > > << what is the url for that gallery that we all reference to for costumes > where we can zoom into the picture? > > Sincerely, > F. Havas > ches@io.com > >> > There are many many of them. The SF De Young has zoom, as well as few > others. Did you need something specific? Here's a few of the best, but not > sure if any are what you wanted. > > http://www.thinker.org/imagebase/index.html (DeYoung) > > Carol Gerten's Fine Arts > http://cgfa.kelloggcreek.com/ > > Mark Harden's Artchive > http://www.artchive.com/artchive/ftptoc/leonardo_ext.html > > Web Gallery of Art > http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/artist.html > > > > +++++ > Angela F. Lazear > Costumes & Custom Clothing > Theatrical Costume Design > "If we shadows have offended, think but this, and all is mended, > That you have but slumbered here, while these visions did appear." > A Midsummer Night's Dream; V, ii - W. Shakespeare > QUICK-LINK: http://come.to/costumes > FULL URL: http://sj.znet.com/~thespian/angil/index.html > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 22:35:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03239 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:34:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24667; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:51:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12160 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:51:32 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12141 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:51:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-61-201.s201.tnt1.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.61.201]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA19482 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:51:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008a01bf2c00$4db08760$5a3faccf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <0.1c9535a9.255b882b@aol.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Dover books Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:50:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > Credit cards cost a company money. I imagine Dover prefers not to accept > them to keep costs down. Many museum shops, including ours, deal with Dover > all the time and are satisfied. Amen to the credit cards for businesses. > Dover re-prints many out of print books which would otherwise be > virtually impossible to find. Their historic paper dolls are great fun. > They also have a large line of $1 and $2 books from the 19th century (Jane > Austens are $2.) Most of the costume books I have on my shelves are re-printed by Dover. Many places are carrying the Dovers books now. In Richmond, you can buy them at museums, vintages shops, Barnes & Nobles, and Ben Franklin's Crafts & More. I found some Dover books I had not seen before last week at Ben Franklins. I have picked up clip art books and CDs from Dover from Egyptian to Art Deco. The Dover paper dolls are big sellers on my Paper Doll bookstore. I am really surprised that so many people are into historic costumed paper dolls. Last week, at Ben Franklin's I bought Dover costume coloring books and sticker books for a friend. People don't mind spending between $2-$10 for a costume book and giving it as a gift. I like decorating packages with the Dover costume stickers. It makes the postal worker smile, too! Costuming must work for Dover publications, they keep coming out with new ones. Later... Penny _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 23:28:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03342 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:27:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00366; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:44:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19556 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:43:50 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19550 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:43:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from tiptoe.excite.com ([199.172.153.108]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991111054317.IZLQ19682.kuku.excite.com@tiptoe.excite.com> for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:43:17 -0800 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Dover books Message-Id: <942298998.14200.180@excite.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:43:18 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 168.191.238.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "StitchWitch" > > Credit cards cost a company money. I imagine Dover prefers not to > accept > > them to keep costs down. Many museum shops, including ours, deal with > Dover > > all the time and are satisfied. Another satisfied customer piping up. Though their insistance on checks instead of credit and a woeful lack of a comprehensive webpage can be aggrivating, I still look to them for their wide variety and reasonable prices. I don't even mind paying a little more for shipping, if they have to send an order in separate parts. > I have picked up clip art books and CDs from Dover from Egyptian > to Art Deco. Not to mention their alphabet books, with CD included. Duo-platformed for both PC and Mac. Love the Celtic and Victorian ones! > The Dover paper dolls are big sellers on my Paper Doll bookstore. > Costuming must work for Dover publications, they keep coming out with new ones. OK, confession time. I have nearly the whole collection of paper doll books. Don't tell anybody! The last time I talked with his neice (a friend of mine) she spoke as though he were still alive and kickin'. Hmmmm . . . perhaps I should go for an autographed set of books . . . Kate ---- StitchWitch A learned bastard takes precedence over an ignorant high priest. - The Talmud, 5th Cen. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 10 23:59:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03358 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:59:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02631; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:15:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22999 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:14:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22993 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:14:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-61-201.s201.tnt1.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.61.201]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA12268 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:14:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00cc01bf2c0b$f443a700$5a3faccf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <942298998.14200.180@excite.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Dover books Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:14:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > > I have picked up clip art books and CDs from Dover from Egyptian > > to Art Deco. > > Not to mention their alphabet books, with CD included. Duo-platformed for > both PC and Mac. Love the Celtic and Victorian ones! I saw today, in Barnes & Noble that they are carrying inexpensive Dover books on needlework. I bought last summer Dover's collection of stained glass windows. This is really cool!!! One is Egyptian, another Celtic, and another one Tiffany Windows. You can paint the windows in the books and use them in your windows. What fun!!! > OK, confession time. I have nearly the whole collection of paper doll books. > Don't tell anybody! I usually buy two of each book. One for me to keep and the other for Katie to cut up. A friend brough me back from England a 12 or 15 inch high Princess Di paper doll set, called Dressing Princess Diana. Included are 15 complete outfits and 49 ways to dress her. All the clothes are put on the doll with putty. Needless to say Katie and I fight over this one. I have not seen this set in the States. Are there any more historic costume paper doll collectors out there on the list??? Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 00:44:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03388 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:44:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05100; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:00:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27689 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:59:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.sdca.home.com [24.0.3.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27682 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:59:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.0.170.52]) by lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991111065954.USIS11592.lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:59:54 -0800 Message-ID: <382A6782.3F22605D@home.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:51:46 -0800 From: Russell Hedges Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Deely-boppers in catalog References: <38288E25.6971AF0E@mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Russell Hedges Janice Dallas wrote: > > -Poster: Janice Dallas > > For those who were interested in them, I just found some deely-boppers > in the Oriental Trading Co. Christmas catalog. Thank you. I am currently coding for the Series II light up Deely Boppers. But the price on the ones you found is definitely right. Russell Hedges _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 02:28:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05332 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:27:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10981; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:44:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06969 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:44:01 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ogopogo.flash.net (ogopogo.flash.net [209.30.2.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA06962 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:43:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (p81.amax2.dialup.hou1.flash.net [209.30.64.81]) by ogopogo.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12976 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:43:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <382A81B4.76A7023E@flash.net> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:43:32 -0600 From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: late 15th C Italian References: <19991019151608.8806.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Charlene Charette Karie Mitchell wrote: > >We have a high-persona event coming up. It's geographically and > >temporally far from my usual persona. For this event I'll be a late > >15th C Italian (Venice) fruitseller (preferably female). Any >pointers to > >appropriate clothing? > > This might be a bit too late-period, but there is a picture of an Italian > woman selling fruit at (about mid-page), > by Vincenzo Campi, 1580. Or try the search engine at > looking for Italian (1450 - 1500). > There are several images you will have to go through but it's worth the > effort. Good luck! Sorry for the delay in reponding. I was cleaning out my folders and found this unread. *SIGH* Yes, 1580 is a bit late. I've been searching various art sites with no luck; very few women, fewer lower class. Guess I need to spend the afternoon digging through the art books at the library. Thanks for the pointers, --Charlene -- When the origin of a thing is remote and mysterious it has been the custom to attribute it to the Devil or to Asia. -- Sir William Gurney Benham, _Playing_Cards_ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 03:41:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07003 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 03:41:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA15964; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:56:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13329 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:56:02 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13320 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JI7GMKYD68000VJQ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:55:49 GMT Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JI7GJF6XQY000ZHD@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:47:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 11 Nov 99 09:45:27 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44) ; 11 Nov 99 09:45:15 GMT0BST Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.126) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 11 Nov 99 09:45:05 GMT0BST Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:45:04 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: H-COST: Tanks and Vests In-reply-to: <199911102126.OAA11777@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <91225E66C7D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 > Teddy, your colleagues will be dismayed when these same sweater vests > become popular again this winter and you're ahead of fashion. Those > skimpy tank tops from the 70's were being worn by teens here all > summer, and I expect the 70's look, including your sweater vests, will > continue to be the rage everywhere; they work so well with the > resurfacing of ABBA, platform shoes, bell bottoms and the belly button > as a fashion accessory we've been seeing for the past year. As I *love* flares and have a pair of genuine early 1970's flared jeans I often wear to work, perhaps I'll combine them with my brightly coloured striped tank-top and see if i can find the orange and yellow leather platform shoes (with 3-inch yellowcork platforms) a friend passed on to me the other year.... Now, where to get a wide collared flowery shirt to wear under the tank-top.... Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 08:07:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19561 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:07:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29725; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:24:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05574 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:23:38 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05563 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:23:37 -0700 (MST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6RIRn1YXI_ (4211) for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:23:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.30aba544.255c2b47@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:23:03 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Dover books To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 40 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cheryldee@aol.com In a message dated 11/10/99 6:19:35 PM Mountain Standard Time, mmchugh@starpower.net writes: << I wonder why they do not want business but send out catalogs??? I don't know anyone who orders stuff without at least a phone number. Has anyone ordered from them? How was your experience? >> Perhaps they don't have all of the bells and whistles because their prices are so amazingly cheap. I have found their books overall to be excellent resources. I order them for our library, so the librarian is the one who deals with them. And the're so cheap I don't mind so much when one of them walks from the GT500 section of our library. I just order another one. Wouldn't feel quite the same about QE's Wardrobe. Cheryl _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 09:05:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19791 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:05:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05440; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:22:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15097 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:20:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from deliverator.io.com (root@deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15075 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:20:09 -0700 (MST) From: ches@io.com Received: from fnord.io.com (IDENT:ches@fnord.io.com [199.170.88.12]) by deliverator.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19634; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:20:01 -0600 Received: from localhost (ches@localhost) by fnord.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA29198; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:19:59 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: fnord.io.com: ches owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:19:59 -0600 (EST) To: Multiple recipients of list H-COSTUME cc: SCA-GARB@LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: H-COST: Coronets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: ches@io.com I need some sources of images of true baronial coronets prior to 1600. Does anyone have any sources online or otherwise that they can point me to? Thanks! Sincerely, F. Havas ches@io.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 09:46:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19982 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:46:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11426; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:03:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25419 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:01:21 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.mlt.net (mail.mlt.net [209.168.11.73]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25404 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:01:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from Mackie.com ([209.168.18.190]) by mail.mlt.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52697U300L100S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:58:14 -0800 Received: from Mackie-Message_Server by Mackie.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:01:10 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:00:40 -0800 From: "Colleen McDonald Hinrichs" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Dover books Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id JAA25406 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Colleen McDonald Hinrichs" Just to clarify, the telephone number is (516) 294-7000. I just spoke with them and the people in their customer service department seem very helpful. Colleen McDonald Hinrichs >>> 11/10 6:47 PM >>> -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com Credit cards cost a company money. I imagine Dover prefers not to accept them to keep costs down. Many museum shops, including ours, deal with Dover all the time and are satisfied. I'm not sure if they have a toll-free number; their regular number is 576-294-7000. The only thing about them I have found slightly annoying is, if part of a shipment is back-ordered, they will send it by itself later and charge you the usually higher shipping involved for sending just a few items. Dover re-prints many out of print books which would otherwise be virtually impossible to find. Their historic paper dolls are great fun. They also have a large line of $1 and $2 books from the 19th century (Jane Austens are $2.) Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 11:39:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20338 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:39:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26771; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:54:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25609 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:53:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25599 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:53:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17134 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27765 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:53:57 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:53:57 -0500 (EST) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: 15th c. Ecclesiastical Dress Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: aleed Does anyone have any good books or articles which cover the development of ecclesiastical dress (alb, surplice, chasubule, etc.) in the 15th century--or through the middle ages in general? I've been looking all over, but haven't found anything to start with. Thanks much, Drea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 12:01:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20465 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:01:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29845; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02195 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:17:51 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02179 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:17:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.212] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11lyn4-0000hC-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:17:46 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991104154439.00cceec0@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 15:49:48 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: H-COST: Tanks and Vests In-Reply-To: <91225E66C7D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <199911102126.OAA11777@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Now, where >to get a wide collared flowery shirt to wear under the tank-top.... In a second-hand clothing shop. Our thrift stores here in California are full of those old things. BTW, in California, a tank top is like a scoop-necked very sleeveless t-shirt. They look like the top of a bathing suit. There are undershirts that shape, but the outerwear ones like my teenage daughter wears are made of slightly thicker material, always in one or more colours. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 13:08:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20563 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:08:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08548; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:24:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17491 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:23:40 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17477 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:23:38 -0700 (MST) From: Gerekr@aol.com Received: from Gerekr@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6KATf3DZ4_ (3860) for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:22:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.9d6733be.255c7186@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:22:46 EST Subject: Re: Re: H-COST: Portrait of a Lady To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Claris Emailer v2.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Gerekr@aol.com On 11/10/99 7:41 PM h-costume@indra.com wrote: >From: jzerby@scnc.pcs.k12.mi.us (Jean Zerby) >Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com >Reply-to: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com > >-Poster: Jean Zerby > >This is a fun catalog w/lots of droolable stuff esp for victorian nuts > >Raella > >"Fairchild, Connie E." wrote: > >> -Poster: "Fairchild, Connie E." >> >> I received a PAST TIMES gift catalog in the mail recently And of course, is our regular source of the Medieval Women calendar! Chimene _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 13:17:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20579 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:17:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10089; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:34:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20083 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:34:12 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20017; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:33:53 -0700 (MST) From: SAQUEEN@aol.com Received: from SAQUEEN@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6XNIa24528 (4230); Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:33:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.3ced3eda.255c73fc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:33:16 EST Subject: H-COST: Veterns Day Announcement To: h-costume@indra.com, vintage@indra.com, costumedc@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com Dear All, As this is the day we celebrate veterns, this announcement is timely. Calendar 2001 will be titled, Historic Fashions During the War Years. (Yes, it seems early but the cover has to be designed by December 20, 1999). We want to explore not just uniforms and clothing of the front line personnel but the effect on clothing, cloth, and culture on the home front. Time periods are 1750 - 1950 and the topic can be interpreted broadly. We are currently sending out packets for costume collections to be featured, and I need your help in spreading the word to those who would like a packet. Please send this email to curators of costume collections in North America or post to other lists Ask them to call me to receive a packet by November 29. Email requests are also acceptable. Thank you in advance for your help in spreading the word, Sally Queen Calendar 2000: Historic Fashions Turning the Centuries http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 13:18:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20586 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:18:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09881; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:33:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19939 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:33:23 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19917 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:33:20 -0700 (MST) From: SNSpies@aol.com Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6RTSa03765 (4207) for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:32:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.4ee59997.255c73da@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:32:42 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: 15th c. Ecclesiastical Dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: SNSpies@aol.com << Does anyone have any good books or articles which cover the development of ecclesiastical dress (alb, surplice, chasubule, etc.) in the 15th century--or through the middle ages in general? >> Braun, Joseph. "Die Liturgisches Gewandung im Occident unde Orient." Freiburg: Herdersche Verlagshandlung, 1907. Ireland, Marion. "Textile Art in the Church." Nashville: Abingdon Press, 1971. Mayer-Thurman, Christa. "Raiment for the Lord's Service: A Thousand Years of Western Vestments." Chicago: Art Institute of Chicago, 1975. Pocknee, Cyril. "Liturgical Vesture: It's Origins and Development." Westminster: Canterbury Press, 1961. There are others, but these should have all the information you need. Nancy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 13:32:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20642 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:32:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12282; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:49:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23767 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:48:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23758 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:48:57 -0700 (MST) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6UHWa01036 (4416) for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:48:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.f90b5678.255c7786@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:48:22 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Coronets To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com Francesca, Here's a source for incredibly beautiful reproductions. I'd e-mail the maker, and see what he uses for a primary reference. http://mh101.infi.net/~fcderosa/ angela In a message dated 11/11/1999 07:22:58 Pacific Standard Time, ches@io.com writes: << I need some sources of images of true baronial coronets prior to 1600. Does anyone have any sources online or otherwise that they can point me to? Thanks! Sincerely, F. Havas ches@io.com >> +++++ Angela F. Lazear Costumes & Custom Clothing Theatrical Costume Design "O, what a world of vile ill-favored faults looks handsome in three hundred pounds a year!..." The Merry Wives of Windsor, III, iv - W. Shakespeare QUICK-LINK: http://come.to/costumes FULL URL: http://sj.znet.com/~thespian/angil/index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 13:55:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20666 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:55:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15253; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:09:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28314 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:09:38 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28301 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:09:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [208.225.99.242] (ppp242.creative.net [208.225.99.242]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06708 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:17:14 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lilinah@mail.grin.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <91225E66C7D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <91225E66C7D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:16:35 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lilinah biti-Anat Subject: Re: H-COST: Tanks and Vests Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lilinah biti-Anat teddy1 wrote: > As I *love* flares and have a pair of genuine early >1970's flared jeans I often wear to work, perhaps I'll combine them >with my brightly coloured striped tank-top and see if i can find the >orange and yellow leather platform shoes (with 3-inch yellowcork >platforms) a friend passed on to me the other year.... Now, where >to get a wide collared flowery shirt to wear under the tank-top.... Now would that really be "authentic"? (grin) My recollection is that the wide-collared flowery shirts are more mid to late 60's, while platforms are more of an early to mid 70's (yes, bleeding edge fashion hounds had low platforms in the late 60's - i did). Flares are late 60's to mid 70's so they'd work with either. The tight skimpy vests (US term) over a shirt is definitely a 70's kind of thing. Anyone watch "That 70's Show" (in the US). Much as i am not particularly nostalgic for the past and i do particularly dislike sit coms (shudder), i have to say, they really seem to have distilled the '70's in this show. Anahita Gauri bint-Karim al-hakim al-Fassi _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 14:20:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20685 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:20:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18732; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:35:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04093 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:35:03 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mb09.swip.net (mb09.swip.net [193.12.122.212]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04064 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:34:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from [212.151.169.40] (d212-151-225-197.swipnet.se [212.151.225.197]) by mb09.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA07842 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:34:53 +0100 (MET) X-Sender: md21199@dredd.swip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <91225E66C7D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <199911102126.OAA11777@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:00:35 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ninni Pettersson Subject: Re: H-COST: Tanks and Vests Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Ninni Pettersson At 10.45 +0100 99-11-11, teddy1 wrote: > > As I *love* flares and have a pair of genuine early >1970's flared jeans I often wear to work, perhaps I'll combine them >with my brightly coloured striped tank-top and see if i can find the >orange and yellow leather platform shoes (with 3-inch yellowcork >platforms) a friend passed on to me the other year.... Now, where >to get a wide collared flowery shirt to wear under the tank-top.... Oh, the horror! I'm really and truly grateful that you didn't wear *this* on your visit to Sweden. I would have had an heartattack :-) I *hate* the yearly 1970s style! Quite one of the ugliest styles ever invented IM(NS)HO. /Ninni _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 14:55:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20766 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:55:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23416; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:09:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12127 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:08:22 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12120 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:08:21 -0700 (MST) From: seamstrix@juno.com Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id EQ6Z32J3; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:03:44 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:54:21 -0600 Subject: Re: H-COST: Tanks and Vests Message-ID: <19991111.150243.-701333.0.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-7,9-36 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com I have to side with Ninni on this one, I hate 1970's styles. I escaped from the decade once, I don't want to have to do it again! However I will admit in public (does this list count as public?) that my freshman year of highschool ('76) I distinctly recall wearing a pair of deep purple bell-bottoms to school. Karen On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:00:35 +0100 Ninni Pettersson writes: > > -Poster: Ninni Pettersson > > At 10.45 +0100 99-11-11, teddy1 wrote: > > > > As I *love* flares and have a pair of genuine early > >1970's flared jeans I often wear to work, perhaps I'll combine them > >with my brightly coloured striped tank-top and see if i can find > the > >orange and yellow leather platform shoes (with 3-inch yellowcork > >platforms) a friend passed on to me the other year.... Now, where > >to get a wide collared flowery shirt to wear under the > tank-top.... > > Oh, the horror! I'm really and truly grateful that you > didn't wear > *this* on your visit to Sweden. I would have had an heartattack :-) > I > *hate* the yearly 1970s style! Quite one of the ugliest styles ever > invented IM(NS)HO. > > /Ninni > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 17:59:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21259 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:59:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18896; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:15:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29434 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:15:12 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from cdale3.midwest.net (cdale3.midwest.net [208.235.1.20]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29423 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:15:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from talk2meg.midwest.net (johnstoncity16.midwest.net [208.235.11.154]) by cdale3.midwest.net (8.9.0/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA22583 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:15:08 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199911120015.SAA22583@cdale3.midwest.net> From: "Mary-Gayle Jany" To: Subject: H-COST: questions in need of answers Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:18:10 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Mary-Gayle Jany" Please help if you can.... Please advise me of reliable sources that are currently available (ILL, Internet, museums, etc.) in English that can answer the following questions: 1. When and where did Cloisonne used for jewelry, not home decorative items, originate? (Yes, I know China perfected the technique and the technique spread throughout Asia as a decoration, but I'm specifically trying to date jewelry.) 2. When and where did Cloisonne used as jewelry enter the European sector? 3. Are any pictures of early European examples available? I have a couple of pictures that seem to show similar enameling from around 1550 AD in court jewelry, but the picture quality is poor. I can't tell whether the pieces are cloissone. Thanks in advance. Meg _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 18:47:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21305 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:47:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25178; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:04:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08354 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:04:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08345 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:04:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.199.31] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11m58C-0002R3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:04:01 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991104170358.00cc5930@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 17:10:36 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: H-COST: Tanks and Vests In-Reply-To: References: <91225E66C7D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <199911102126.OAA11777@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >> As I *love* flares and have a pair of genuine early >>1970's flared jeans I often wear to work, perhaps I'll combine them >>with my brightly coloured striped tank-top and see if i can find the >>orange and yellow leather platform shoes (with 3-inch yellowcork >>platforms) a friend passed on to me the other year.... Now, where >>to get a wide collared flowery shirt to wear under the tank-top.... > > Oh, the horror! I'm really and truly grateful that you didn't wear >*this* on your visit to Sweden. I would have had an heartattack :-) I >*hate* the yearly 1970s style! Quite one of the ugliest styles ever >invented IM(NS)HO. OTOH, many of us in California weren't wearing this mainstream style in the early 70's. Many of us were wearing t-shirt, ripped jeans, sandals, and beads, or long flowing dresses and lots of ethnic embroidery. This was the anti-polyester crowd, admittedly - the folks the press called Hippies. By the late 70's we were hating Disco and still wearing lots of cotton. Some people (Berkeley, Santa Cruz) still dress like this today, with Birkenstocks as the sandals of preference. Tie-dye is better these days too. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 19:34:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21402 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:34:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00534; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:51:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15307 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:50:29 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15302 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:50:27 -0700 (MST) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6ERQ0uPEYA (3876) for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:49:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.2f6bfb9e.255ccc42@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:49:54 EST Subject: H-COST: Re: Dover catalogue To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com As a teenager, I ordered many books from the Dover catalogue, which came to our house every month or so and always offered a dazzling variety of books. I bought the Cases of Judge Dee, a Chinese detective created by a Dutch (I think) writer; books on Egyptian jewelry; children's books -- all kinds of things. I don't know what they are like today (I haven't seen a catalogue for years, probably lucky for me), but they were great then. And as they put out so many books you can buy in bookstores, I would assume they are reliable. Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 20:34:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21477 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:34:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06539; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:50:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24163 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:50:34 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (root@proxy2.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24149 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:50:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from best.com (lavolta.vip.best.com [206.86.95.234]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id SAA10018 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:48:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <382B80D0.DC3D162A@best.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:52:00 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume Mailing List Subject: H-COST: Dover catalog Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lavolta Press Re someone's comment that "since Dover publishes so many books you can find in bookstores their books must be reliable . . ." The mechanisms of distribution, and even publishing, have little to do with a book's reliability or overall quality. Books are not published or distributed unless three entities believe they will sell: the author (who does the work and bears the expenses of writing the book), the publisher (who does the work and bears the expenses of producing the book), and the bookseller (who takes some risk when he/she carries the book). A salable book (or more accurately, one these entities think is salable; they are sometimes mistaken) can be either good or bad. Although most people involved in the book business like books, believe creating and reading books is a good thing, and do the best jobs they can, it all still comes down to the bottom line: whether this particular book will sell. It takes many thousands of dollars to create one book. If these entities think a book is great but won't sell, they probably won't create it or try to sell it. If they think it's not very good but will sell well, they probably will create it and try to sell it. Where "available in bookstores" comes into this is: An increasing proportion of books are sold through large chains such as Barnes & Noble and Borders whose buying/selection is completely or partially centralized. A large proportion of the books chosen for chain distribution are those the store buyers think Mr./Ms. Average American will buy. This tends to cut down on the number of books chosen in specialized subject areas like costuming--and the books that are chosen often tend to be color picture books, rather than technical. If a publisher can't sell to the chains, his/her other major option is independent booksellers--the number of which is decreasing daily. Of course, Amazon.com, Barnes and Noble.com, and other on-line booksellers carry almost every book in print. But the large number of books makes any given book harder for the casual browser to find. And, the presence of the large on-line booksellers taking cuts in profits to give customers discounts is making it even harder for the independents, who can't afford that, to stay in business. What I'm getting to is, a book "not available in bookstores" is less likely to be "bad," than on a highly specialized or obscure topic. (And yes, our books are "available in bookstores" and even to some extent in the chains.) Fran Grimble --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.best.com/~lavolta/index.htm Historic and vintage dance http://www.best.com/~lavolta/dance/index.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 21:01:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21543 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:01:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08836; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:17:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28144 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:16:50 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28138 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:16:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust94.tnt3.denton.tx.da.uu.net [63.26.148.94]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26471 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:16:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <382B89C3.1D4183AE@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:30:12 -0600 From: Magdalena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: questions in need of answers References: <199911120015.SAA22583@cdale3.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Magdalena > 3. Are any pictures of early European examples available? I have a couple > of pictures that seem to show similar enameling from around 1550 AD in > court jewelry, but the picture quality is poor. I can't tell whether the > pieces are cloissone. There is a book in the Sam Houston State University library that covers Spanish Renaissance jewelry which I seem to remember includes several very good pictures of cloisonné pieces. Muller, Priscilla E., 1930- Jewels in Spain, 1500-1800. -Magdalena _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 21:36:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21588 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:36:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12159; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:52:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03275 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:52:35 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03267 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:52:33 -0700 (MST) From: Jafath@aol.com Received: from Jafath@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6ULBa03955 (4183) for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:51:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.a9125c2a.255ce8dd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:51:57 EST Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #781 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Jafath@aol.com Hi, list! I am caught up on this list for the first time in three months, so I'm celebrating by posting to it, for a change. I'm playing with the idea of making something 1810ish. As it's not anything I've done before, I'm a bit short on reference materials as yet, but I _do_ happen to have Dover's paper doll book "of the Regency Period." Here's my question: they show EVERY daytime dress with what they refer to as "a betsy" -- a neckpiece, separate from the dress, made up of varying amounts of frills, ruffles, and lace. So, I ask: (a) was it that ubiquitous? and (b) haven't I seen it referred to by a more dignified name, somewhere? Oh, and (c) has anyone made one that can offer advice? We might add in (d) is there a suitable American source I should investigate? Jo Anne _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 22:18:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21641 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:18:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16278; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:34:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08604 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:34:19 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08595 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:34:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([63.28.163.104]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19991112043347.QZUM26289@worldnet.att.net> for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:33:47 +0000 Message-ID: <382A4C1E.A50CB257@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:54:54 -0800 From: don and carolyn richardson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 1st Century scribe accessories References: <1.5.4.32.19991110213431.009064f8@shadow.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: don and carolyn richardson Joe Dunfee wrote: > > -Poster: Joe Dunfee > > This may be a bit off topic, as it might be classified as a prop, rather > than a clothing accessory, but here goes... > > I am making scrolls for a play which features the biblical character of > Zacchaeus(a Tax collector), and also for Nicodemus. In this play, Zac is > going to visit deliquent tax payers and we already have a kind of book of > records he is using for reference. He also has a quill, to check people > off, but we are currently ignoring where the ink for the quill comes from. > So, what is the 1st century Roman equivalent of a Palm Pilot computer? > The quill must be parked somewhere and he must have a container of ink. > Anyone know of anything authentic I can make? I second the recommendation of a wax tablet and stylus. These date back long before the Romans and were used thru the Middle Ages. Carolyn (and a scribe when I'm not a costumer) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 22:19:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21654 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:19:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16582; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08697 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:34:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.130]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08692 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:34:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from Porb (vandial72.lightspeed.bc.ca [204.244.233.72]) by ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA01428 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:22:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991111203630.00799d20@antir.com> X-Sender: i.wonder@antir.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:36:30 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kris Subject: H-COST: The making of top hats Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Kris I have jsut discovered, after looking through a site with wonderful 'fantasy' style victorian clothing, that I want one. Unfortunately, I cannot afford to go out and spend $200 on purchasing one. Is it possible for me to make one myself? If so, where would I get a pattern or a form to cover? Is there a online resource that I haven't found? Thanks very much! Kris ps.. the site is.. http://www.victoriacostumiere.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 23:05:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21790 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:05:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21182; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:22:41 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14905 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:22:33 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pop1.cyberhighway.net (pop1.cyberhighway.net [209.161.0.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA14893 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:22:24 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199911120522.WAA14893@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 20030 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1999 22:22:17 -0700 Received: from ts26-41.boi.cyberhighway.net (HELO kathy) (209.161.8.155) by pop1.cyberhighway.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 1999 22:22:17 -0700 From: "K & J Hopkins" To: Subject: H-COST: Not movies again Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:31:16 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "K & J Hopkins" I was home sick today and I got a chance to watch Cousin Bette. Strange story. Completely out of my period, but that dress that you see Hortence in towards the beginning of the movie? The one with the mini-tassel fringe around the collar? Beautiful. I must say that it really struck my fancy. Oh, then there was that cape(?) wrap(?) that she has on when she went to but the Four Horseman statue. Nifty. Kathlene _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 11 23:32:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21833 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:32:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23083; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:49:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17911 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:48:36 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.shadow.net (mail.shadow.net [204.177.71.231]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17902 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:48:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from joedunfe (ip114.margate.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.14.96.114]) by mail.shadow.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA10800 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:48:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19991112055721.008fa0f4@shadow.net> X-Sender: jdunfee@shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:57:21 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joe Dunfee Subject: Re: H-COST: 1st Century scribe accessories Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Joe Dunfee Again, you all have come up with a number of great replies. I am not the decision maker, but will definitely lobby for a wax tablet. It would be both authentic, and easy to make. I also posted to the Stagecraft maillist, which I would think would be the better place, but I haven't gotten a single reply there! Joe Dunfee, joe@dunfee.com Fort Lauderdale, Florida USA _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 04:54:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03106 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:54:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA08784; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:11:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13687 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:10:31 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta2-svc.virgin.net (mta2-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.143]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA13682 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:10:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.235.48]) by mta2-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19991112110928.CACY16733.mta2-svc@LOCALNAME> for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:09:28 +0000 Message-ID: <382C699E.607@virgin.net> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:25:18 -0800 From: Dawn Organization: ages of elegance (http://www.ageofelegance.dabsol.co.uk) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN712-000 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #781 References: <0.a9125c2a.255ce8dd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Dawn Jafath@aol.com wrote: > > -Poster: Jafath@aol.com > > Hi, list! > > I am caught up on this list for the first time in three months, so I'm > celebrating by posting to it, for a change. > > I'm playing with the idea of making something 1810ish. As it's not anything > I've done before, I'm a bit short on reference materials as yet, but I _do_ > happen to have Dover's paper doll book "of the Regency Period." Here's my > question: they show EVERY daytime dress with what they refer to as "a betsy" > -- a neckpiece, separate from the dress, made up of varying amounts of > frills, ruffles, and lace. So, I ask: (a) was it that ubiquitous? and (b) > haven't I seen it referred to by a more dignified name, somewhere? Oh, and > (c) has anyone made one that can offer advice? We might add in (d) is there a > suitable American source I should investigate? > > Jo Anne > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME They are called chemisettes and there is an excellent pattern for one in Janet Arnolds patterns of fashion which covers this period. They are not ubiquitous but very handy on a cold day as the neckline is a bit draughty believe me. They are basically a short tabard tied under the bust and worn under the gown, with a variey of necklines from flat collar to multipile frill. She also has a couple of dress patterns in this book which can be used as a starting point and the riding habit spencer is a good basic style to work from. Check out revolution in fashion for very nice frocks dawn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 05:39:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03146 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:39:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA10813; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:56:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17528 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:56:42 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA17522 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:56:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JI8Z5KH3OW000WWO@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:56:27 GMT Received: from mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-ref1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.57.8]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JI8Z4AZ3HW001AG9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:50:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-REF1/SpoolDir by mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:48:26 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-REF1 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:48:04 +1100 Received: from rf_lib_11161 (158.94.198.70) by mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:47:57 +1100 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:47:56 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: Re: H-COST: Tanks and Vests In-reply-to: <199911120434.VAA08709@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <23B7CF01095@mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 > >1970's flared jeans I often wear to work, perhaps I'll combine them > >with my brightly coloured striped tank-top and see if i can find the > >orange and yellow leather platform shoes (with 3-inch yellowcork > >platforms) a friend passed on to me the other year.... Now, where to get > >a wide collared flowery shirt to wear under the tank-top.... > > Now would that really be "authentic"? (grin) > > My recollection is that the wide-collared flowery shirts are more mid to > late 60's, Not where I grew up. The only time I was *ever* fashionable was my first year at school in 1972 (the year before they introduced a uniform) and I had wide-waisted flares and wide-collared flowery shirts (with matching "ties" on elastic) one in lime greens, one in vivid pinks and one in bright sky-blues. > while platforms are more of an early to mid 70's Just the right period then Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 06:02:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03185 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:02:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11535; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:19:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19293 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:18:47 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA19285 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:18:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JI8Y4I6U74001KPQ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:18:38 GMT Received: from mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-ref1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.57.8]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JI8YKLSK7I001AG9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:34:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-REF1/SpoolDir by mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:32:33 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-REF1 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:32:11 +1100 Received: from rf_lib_11161 (158.94.198.70) by mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:32:05 +1100 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:32:03 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: Re: H-COST: Tanks and Vests In-reply-to: <199911111924.MAA17596@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <23B39361D4D@mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 Hi Kayta > Now, where > >to get a wide collared flowery shirt to wear under the tank-top.... > > In a second-hand clothing shop. Our thrift stores here in California are > full of those old things. Here too, unfortunately most of them are nylon or polyester.... > BTW, in California, a tank top is like a scoop-necked very > sleeveless t-shirt. They look like the top of a bathing suit. > There are undershirts that shape, but the outerwear ones like my > teenage daughter wears are made of slightly thicker material, > always in one or more colours. We have those here, and they're generally called vests (like the underwear version) or muscle vests or muscle t-shirts Tank-tops are definately the (naff) knitted ones.... Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 07:05:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05055 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:05:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17706; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:22:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA25476 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:22:13 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA25471 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:22:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JI8YUIXANK001L0F@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:22:01 GMT Received: from mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-ref1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.57.8]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JI8ZKCRGO8001X0K@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:03:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-REF1/SpoolDir by mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:01:22 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-REF1 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:00:56 +1100 Received: from rf_lib_11161 (158.94.198.70) by mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:00:28 +1100 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:00:28 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: Re: H-COST: Tanks and Vests In-reply-to: <199911120434.VAA08709@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <23BB3E971C8@mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 Hi Ninni, You had a close escape. I had the flares with me in Sweden, I just didn't wear them the day we went to the silk mill. > > As I *love* flares and have a pair of genuine early > >1970's flared jeans I often wear to work, perhaps I'll combine them > >with my brightly coloured striped tank-top and see if i can find the > >orange and yellow leather platform shoes (with 3-inch yellowcork > >platforms) a friend passed on to me the other year.... Now, where to get > >a wide collared flowery shirt to wear under the tank-top.... > > Oh, the horror! I'm really and truly grateful that you didn't wear > *this* on your visit to Sweden. I would have had an heartattack :-) I > *hate* the yearly 1970s style! Quite one of the ugliest styles ever > invented IM(NS)HO. Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 08:26:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01351 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:26:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23578; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:41:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05366 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:40:38 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from na-ims.alcoa.com ([147.154.3.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05360 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:40:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by NA-IMS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:40:01 -0500 Message-ID: <0B3E3AA67456D311A9FC0000E889ED9847BF8F@na-dpw1.dpw.alcoa.com> From: "Fairchild, Connie E." To: "'h-costume-digest@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: 70's shirts Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:31:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Fairchild, Connie E." > - -Poster: Lilinah biti-Anat wrote: > My recollection is that the wide-collared flowery shirts are more mid > to late 60's, > Not in my area in the mid 60's (the Midwest, but we are usually a little behind -- but not 10 yrs!). The mid-60's was small collars sometimes button down, I don't remember any colors in shirts but white and then sometimes with fine pinstripes. There were narrow lapels on suits, pant legs were "pegged" to be narrow, and ties were narrow as well. My nephew asked me to make him a "Disco Shirt" to wear to his high school dance in about 1977 when disco was all the rage. The fabric he chose was bright blue satin with BIG flowers (I may be off a year or two, but am fairly close). Connie Fairchild _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 09:10:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04972 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:09:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28538; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:26:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13083 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:25:52 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from po2.bbn.com (PO2.BBN.COM [192.1.50.36]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13073 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:25:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from apoppers3 (apoppers3.sys.gtei.net [4.2.36.132]) by po2.bbn.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA22313 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:25:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991112102545.00964180@POP.SYS.GTEI.NET> X-Sender: apoppers@POP.SYS.GTEI.NET X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:25:45 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Asia Poppers Subject: H-COST: Seeking an affordable shawl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Asia Poppers Hi All, With the recent Pashmina craze bringing shawls back into current fashion, I have grown hopeful that some maker out there might be offering a synthetic version that would do well with Regency wear. However, I have not been very successful in my web searches for such a thing. Can anyone suggest where I might look? I'll head to the mall tonight to check the deparment stores, but most of the current versions I've seen are solid-color; I would really love to track down a nice, big, patterned shawl for less than US$100. (I expect that such a thing, if it exists, would be acrylic). Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Asia _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 09:29:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04998 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:29:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00975; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:44:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17059 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:44:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from deliverator.io.com (root@deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17050 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:44:10 -0700 (MST) From: ches@io.com Received: from fnord.io.com (IDENT:ches@fnord.io.com [199.170.88.12]) by deliverator.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30391; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:44:06 -0600 Received: from localhost (ches@localhost) by fnord.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA32599; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:44:05 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: fnord.io.com: ches owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:44:05 -0600 (EST) To: Lauren Belt cc: Multiple recipients of list H-COSTUME , SCA-GARB@LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: H-COST: ANST - Survey.... (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: ches@io.com This is a scam, do not answer it or send it back. Report it to you postmaster and theirs Sincerely, F. Havas ches@io.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- xxxxxx Good morning. How many of you received this "survey" today? Obviously, I did. It implies that it is someone's senior project. What the heck is a Senior Project Consulting Team, anyway? It might be something academic-related, but I'm really doubting it, unless he's in marketing/business. It sounds much more like a way for someone to grab demographic information and associate it with my email address, for the purpose of finding out how much medieval clothing I have the potential of buying. I'm not wasting my time to help someone decide if I'm going to buy things from him...without a whole lot more information.... xxx Subject: Senior Project SCA Survey Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:04:10 -0600 From: David Killian This survey was compiled by and is intended for the benefit of a senior project consulting team from Bradley University. The answers are confidential and will only be used for analysis and support of conclusions. Instructions for filling out the survey. First, reply to this email. This will allow you to edit the survey. Please type your answers to each of the questions in the space provided. Send the survey back to us. Thank you for your time 1. Age: ________ 2. Sex (M/F): ________ 3. Do you have Internet Access (Y/N)? ________ (If you answered no, skip to question #6) 4. Have you ever purchased anything off of the Internet (Y/N)? ________ If you have purchased medieval items off of the Internet, what type of items have you purchased? 5. If it were possible to buy quality customized medieval clothing over the Internet and have it shipped to you, would you be interested (Y/N)? ________ 6. What SCA related newsletters and magazines do you read to find out medieval information? 7. Do the advertisements in these publications impact your buying habits (Y/N)? ________ 8. How many medieval events do you attend each year? ________ 9. How often do you purchase medieval clothing (# of times per year)? ________ 10. How much do you spend on medieval clothing each year? ________ 11. Have you ever heard of or visited Sofi's Stitches (Y/N)? ________ ============================================================================ Go to http://lists.ansteorra.org/lists.html to perform mailing list tasks. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 09:57:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05030 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:57:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05863; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:13:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24502 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:13:45 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.196]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24491 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:13:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EQ83UER3; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:13:00 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Dover catalog Message-ID: <19991112.075102.4783.3.cley@juno.com> References: <382B80D0.DC3D162A@best.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,9-14 From: cynthia j ley Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:13:00 EST Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: cynthia j ley Barnes & Noble does however have access to a huge selection of highly specialized books which can be special ordered, and I believe most big book stores have the same. Order to arrival time is often about a week. When I worked in the business a number of years ago, we (not B&N, but another chain) used to require a small deposit on the book. This was more than anything to commit the customer to buying it; sometimes publishers, especially those who are small presses, won't accept returns. So if the person who orders the book refuses it, the store is stuck trying to sell it. Arlys ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 10:29:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05080 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:29:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11058; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:45:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02867 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:44:50 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (root@proxy2.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02842 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:44:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from best.com (lavolta.vip.best.com [206.86.95.234]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id IAA28487 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:43:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <382C446E.C3127974@best.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:46:38 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Dover catalog References: <382B80D0.DC3D162A@best.com> <19991112.075102.4783.3.cley@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lavolta Press cynthia j ley wrote: > -Poster: cynthia j ley > > Barnes & Noble does however have access to a huge selection of highly > specialized books which can be special ordered, and I believe most big > book stores have the same. Order to arrival time is often about a week. Some of the chains will special order any book that is carried by one of the huge wholesalers they deal with. Some bookstores will special order any book in print. Though I suspect customers tend to do this type of ordering on-line these days. However, this is an entirely different situation from having the chain officially carry your book and stock it in the store where customers can see it without having heard of it before. If they carry the book, they may order a hundred copies at a time, multiple times a year. If it's special order status, they may order one or two copies a year. Fran Grimble --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.best.com/~lavolta/index.htm Historic and vintage dance http://www.best.com/~lavolta/dance/index.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 11:08:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05203 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:08:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16629; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:24:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13209 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:24:40 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13186 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:24:37 -0700 (MST) From: M311@aol.com Received: from M311@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.e694a1c9 (3979) for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:24:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.e694a1c9.255da734@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:24:04 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: ANST - Survey.... (fwd) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: M311@aol.com In a message dated 11/12/99 9:46:57 AM Central Standard Time, ches@io.com writes: << How many of you received this "survey" today? Obviously, I did. It implies that it is someone's senior project. What the heck is a Senior Project Consulting Team, anyway? It might be something academic-related, but I'm really doubting it, unless he's in marketing/business. >> Bradley is a very expensive local University. I just called them. He is enrolled there and he is a business major. They are required to do a research project like this for class. The lady I talked to knows this for a fact as she knows someone else in the program and they are doing a project like this also right now. Kelly m311@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 11:15:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05217 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:15:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17922; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:31:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14946 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:30:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA14933 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:30:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.19.1.106] ([172.19.1.106]) by mail.cho.org; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:30:43 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:31:29 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lynn Downward Subject: H-COST: 1920's hats on PBS! Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lynn Downward I just watched a new (dated 1998 in the credits) "Mystery" on PBS last night starring Diana Rigg as a 1920's sleuth. I wish I could remember her name in this "Mystery" series, called "The Mrs. ---- Mysteries." Not only was it a fun story, it had great ragtime and jazz music, superb clothing, beading up the wazoo and HATS! As wonderful as many of the dresses were, the hats knocked me out! I've taken a couple of classes on forming straw and wool hats with steam and blocks, and these hats were really exciting. I kept looking at them trying to figure out how they were made. Women wore beaded hats to dinner, they wore hats every time they went outside the house. Hats had beads and feathers. Wool cloches were given really interesting forms. One hat Ms. Rigg wore in several scenes was a camel colored cloche with an overwrap of dark brown (or the other way around?), beautifully twisted and pleated. Another cloche was very fitted but the designer had taken all the extra fabric of the hood and put it into two pleats on either side of her face - very dramatic. If you like this period of clothing, I highly recommend you watch the program. I'm just beginning to do my research in the '20's but it looked right to me. There are two dresses I'm going to try to make, along with the accessories, even though I'll probably look more like a short Margaret Dumont than Diana Rigg in the dresses. Gotta get my hands on more silk georgette! LynnD _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 11:25:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05223 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:25:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19539; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:41:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17664 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:41:21 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17651 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:41:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22663 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:41:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <382C5180.403DD820@serv.net> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:42:25 -0800 From: Merouda the True of Beaumaris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 1920's hats on PBS! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Merouda the True of Beaumaris > I just watched a new (dated 1998 in the credits) "Mystery" on PBS last > night starring Diana Rigg as a 1920's sleuth. I wish I could remember her > name in this "Mystery" series, called "The Mrs. ---- Mysteries." That would Mrs. Bradley. Awesome character. > Not only > was it a fun story, it had great ragtime and jazz music, superb clothing, > beading up the wazoo and HATS! As wonderful as many of the dresses were, > the hats knocked me out! They were fantastic. The feathers and beads and molded felt... wow. Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Beaumaris Barony of Madrone Kingdom of AnTir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 11:26:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05227 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:26:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19449; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:40:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17480 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:40:45 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from apollo.directcon.net (IDENT:root@apollo.directcon.net [206.170.184.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17446 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:40:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p7.directcon.net [206.170.184.106]) by apollo.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA19523 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:39:11 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:39:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199911121739.JAA19523@apollo.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Seeking an affordable shawl Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Margo Anderson At 10:25 AM 11/12/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >-Poster: Asia Poppers > >Hi All, > >With the recent Pashmina craze bringing shawls back into current fashion, I >have grown hopeful that some maker out there might be offering a synthetic >version that would do well with Regency wear. I'm also hoping for this, preferably a large square that would do for `1850's. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 12:02:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05285 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:02:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24960; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:17:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27292 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:17:24 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27275 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:17:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.249] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11mLGC-0007Lx-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:17:20 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991111222416.00cbc730@pop.slip.net> Message-Id: <4.1.19991111222416.00cbc730@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:25:21 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: H-COST: questions in need of answers In-Reply-To: <199911120015.SAA22583@cdale3.midwest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Any book about the history of jewelry will show dated pieces of cloisonne, usually in colour. > Please advise me of reliable sources that are currently available >(ILL, Internet, museums, etc.) in English that can answer the following >questions: > >1. When and where did Cloisonne used for jewelry, not home decorative >items, originate? (Yes, I know China perfected the technique and the >technique spread throughout Asia as a decoration, but I'm specifically >trying to date jewelry.) >2. When and where did Cloisonne used as jewelry enter the European sector? >3. Are any pictures of early European examples available? I have a couple >of pictures that seem to show similar enameling from around 1550 AD in >court jewelry, but the picture quality is poor. I can't tell whether the >pieces are cloissone. > > Thanks in advance. > >Meg > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 12:21:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05328 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:21:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28012; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:37:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02471 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:37:28 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02463 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:37:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.205] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11mLZc-0001t5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:37:25 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991111233612.00c954e0@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:37:31 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: H-COST: affordable shawl - 1850's In-Reply-To: <199911121739.JAA19523@apollo.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >>With the recent Pashmina craze bringing shawls back into current fashion, I >>have grown hopeful that some maker out there might be offering a synthetic >>version that would do well with Regency wear. > >I'm also hoping for this, preferably a large square that would do for >`1850's. Check in the Smithsonian catalog. They often have big square shawls kind of like this. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 12:21:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05332 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:21:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28007; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:37:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02467 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:37:28 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02449 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:37:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.205] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11mLZY-0001t5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:37:23 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991111232353.00cc9490@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:37:53 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: H-COST: affordable shawl - Regency In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19991112102545.00964180@POP.SYS.GTEI.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >With the recent Pashmina craze bringing shawls back into current fashion, I >have grown hopeful that some maker out there might be offering a synthetic >version that would do well with Regency wear. However, I have not been >very successful in my web searches for such a thing. Can anyone suggest >where I might look? I'll head to the mall tonight to check the deparment >stores, but most of the current versions I've seen are solid-color; I would >really love to track down a nice, big, patterned shawl for less than >US$100. (I expect that such a thing, if it exists, would be acrylic). Any >suggestions? Keep looking - I have one of these and they are out there, both in wool and in acrylic (mine is acrylic). The bad news is I got mine at, of all places, a booth at a Renaissance Faire, so there's no URL. Mine only cost like US$35 there, so they may be less elsewhere. Mine is red on one side and dark blue on the other, with a nice woven pattern on both ends, and is about 1 yard/metre x 2 yards/metres (approximately). In fact, I think I saw similar ones at a saree store, probably cheaper but probably with a little Lurex in the weave. Also keep your eyes open at thrift stores/second hand clothing places if, as it is here, there is a large East Indian population locally. I often find their clothes at thrift stores near me, often mislabeled as six yards of cloth (=cheap) or as a costume (=cheap) by the non-East-Indians who work there. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 12:58:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05367 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:58:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03571; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:15:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11748 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:15:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from luna.worldonline.nl (luna.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.131]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11734 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:15:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by luna.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23370 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:14:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from henk (vp210-188.worldonline.nl [195.241.210.188]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA28705 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:14:53 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000001bf2d42$0b6c4680$bcd2f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST: 15th c. Ecclesiastical Dress Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:57:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 5 X-MSMail-Priority: Low X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" Hi, Drea wrote: > Does anyone have any good books or articles which cover the development of > ecclesiastical dress (alb, surplice, chasubule, etc.) in the 15th > century--or through the middle ages in general? I've been looking all > over, but haven't found anything to start with. Millia Davenport in her 'The Book of Costume', volume one (1948, my birth year), p. 93-102 and Mrs Charles Ashdown's 'British Costume during XIX centuries', second part: Ecclesiastical Dress (p. 332-358) have plenty of text and illustrations through the centuries. Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 12:59:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05371 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:59:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03587; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:15:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11747 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:15:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11738 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:15:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14651 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:15:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from henk (vp210-188.worldonline.nl [195.241.210.188]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA28724 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:14:56 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000101bf2d42$0c035660$bcd2f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <1.5.4.32.19991110213431.009064f8@shadow.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: 1st Century scribe accessories Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:24:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" Hi, Joe wrote: > I am making scrolls for a play which features the biblical character of > Zacchaeus(a Tax collector), and also for Nicodemus. In this play, Zac is > going to visit deliquent tax payers and we already have a kind of book of > records he is using for reference. He also has a quill, to check people > off, but we are currently ignoring where the ink for the quill comes from. > So, what is the 1st century Roman equivalent of a Palm Pilot computer? > The quill must be parked somewhere and he must have a container of ink. > Anyone know of anything authentic I can make? Ink, made of a mixture of soot, resin, winedross and cuttlefishink, was carried in bronze, lead or even wood containers hung from the belt by thongs or chains. Every museum with Roman artifacts has copies of these. Quills were made of goosefeather (without the barbs), bronze or reed. Only for short notes or sums the wax tablets were used, for longer texts pieces of papyrus or vellum were used. These were sewn together as scrolls which were wound around sticks woth a wooden knob on each end; the bookscroll. Only in the last century of the Roman era the codex, our bookform, was used. > > When I try to make up something, what I come up with is a small glass > bottle on a cord, which hangs around his neck. (sort of like the small > bubble blowers kids have) The cork of the bottle has a large ring on top, so > that he can grab the small bottle with his fingers, and fit his thumb into > that ring and remove the cork with the same and, leaving his other hand free > to dip the quill. As far as I know, glass was never used for inkwells. > Our book consists of a number of loose pages, which have been folded in > half and then placed over a wood dowel. Through holes in the pages, a > leather strap has been tied to the dowel rod so that the book can hang from > the character's shoulder like a purse. As you know these people lived during the first century AD, a time when the codex-book, as we know it, did not exist yet. > For a place to park the quill pen... I imagine a leather pocket which is > made part of the book, and attached to the dowel inside. > > Joe Dunfee, joe@dunfee.com > Fort Lauderdale, Florida USA > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 13:19:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05396 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:19:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06487; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:36:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16572 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:35:20 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16548 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:35:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.230.184] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11mMTb-0000t4-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:35:15 -0800 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:24:06 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: ANST - Survey.... (fwd) In-Reply-To: <0.e694a1c9.255da734@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 12:24 PM 11/12/1999, Kelly wrote: Bradley is a very expensive local University. I just called them. He is enrolled there and he is a business major. They are required to do a research project like this for class. The lady I talked to knows this for a fact as she knows someone else in the program and they are doing a project like this also right now. Kelly--Thank you for fact-checking. That it is a valid project does not obviate the gentleman's neglect of courtesy in his approach, imho only. He did not write a cover letter explaining that he would like one to participate in his project, and stating how he obtained one's address, but simply sent the survey. I sincerely hope his project advisor will correct that. Or, perhaps I'm just old-fashioned that way. I prefer to be asked. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 13:54:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05445 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:54:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11070; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24069 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:10:38 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay2.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay2.core.theplanet.net [194.152.65.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24060 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:10:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from modem20.barney.pol.co.uk ([195.92.7.20] helo=herimats) by mailrelay2.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11mN1l-0001JC-00; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:10:33 +0000 Message-ID: <003501bf2d4a$0bb93460$f659883e@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: , , , , Subject: H-COST: Robin Hood Fest Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:10:56 -0000 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "LDMundy" Dear All; The Robin Hood Pageant photos are now on http://www.herimats.freeserve.co.uk/PHOTOS4A/phopageh1.htm Although I have degraded them to load faster they will not be that quick. Also they are not yet integrated with the index system, but this is a mirror site , so you can access what previous pics are still available by clicking on the "Photopages" button. There shouldn't be any major problems, although the scruffy bits will probably be tidied up over the weekend. I have include a couple of campsite pics ( as a result of requests)- the rest are as costume orientated as is possible. Apologies to those receiving duplicates because you are on more than one of the lists. Dave L.D.Mundy Editor.Heritage Matters _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 14:14:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05497 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:14:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14269; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:30:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28993 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:30:38 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28984 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:30:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from mediaone.net (h00105af53be2.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.162.250]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA02727 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:30:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <382C78EE.91F79B97@mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:30:38 -0500 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Seeking an affordable shawl References: <3.0.5.32.19991112102545.00964180@POP.SYS.GTEI.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Janice Dallas Why don't you go check out the fabric stores? roll-hem the edges and add the fringed upholstery trim, if you want, and you've got a reasonable facsimile. It's not that difficult to do and is Lots cheaper, especially if you don't need fringe. -- Janice Dallas JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 14:40:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05539 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:40:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17975; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:57:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04975 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:57:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04960 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mercury.physics.adelaide.edu.au (mercury [129.127.36.44]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id HAA30578 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 07:26:56 +1030 (CST) Received: from localhost by mercury.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.65v4.0/1.1.19.2/11Aug99-1220PM) id AA24499; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 07:26:55 +1030 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 07:26:54 +1030 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: ANST - Survey.... (fwd) In-Reply-To: <0.e694a1c9.255da734@aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 M311@aol.com wrote: > > -Poster: M311@aol.com > > In a message dated 11/12/99 9:46:57 AM Central Standard Time, ches@io.com > writes: > > << How many of you received this "survey" today? Obviously, I did. It > implies that it is someone's senior project. What the heck is a Senior > Project Consulting Team, anyway? It might be something > academic-related, but I'm really doubting it, unless he's in > marketing/business. >> > > Bradley is a very expensive local University. I just called them. He is > enrolled there and he is a business major. They are required to do a > research project like this for class. The lady I talked to knows this for a > fact as she knows someone else in the program and they are doing a project > like this also right now. Legitimate or not, it's still spam. It would have been more courteous if he'd posted his survey on a web page and asked people to go take a look, or even better, printed some out and gone to a couple of events. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 16:10:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05648 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:10:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00700; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:26:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26580 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:26:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from viper.columbus.rr.com (viper.columbus.rr.com [204.210.252.254]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26568 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:26:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from dsc.columbus.rr.com (dhcp26129131.columbus.rr.com [24.26.129.131]) by viper.columbus.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA27866 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:22:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00b401bf2d5d$1bf65480$83811a18@dsc.columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: ANST - Survey.... (fwd) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:27:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! >> Bradley is a very expensive local University. I just called them. He is >> enrolled there and he is a business major. They are required to do a >> research project like this for class. The lady I talked to knows this for a >> fact as she knows someone else in the program and they are doing a project >> like this also right now. >Legitimate or not, it's still spam. It would have been more courteous >if he'd posted his survey on a web page and asked people to go take a >look, or even better, printed some out and gone to a couple of events. I think the amusing thing is that a number of the questions had to do with buying medieval clothing. I think the vast majority of readers of H-Costume probably make their own or aspire to do so (whatever the period), although I know there are a few here who do just research. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 16:22:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05698 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:22:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02128; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:39:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29532 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:38:53 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from viper.columbus.rr.com (viper.columbus.rr.com [204.210.252.254]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29523 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:38:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from dsc.columbus.rr.com (dhcp26129131.columbus.rr.com [24.26.129.131]) by viper.columbus.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA29333 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:35:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <016601bf2d5e$e6da38a0$83811a18@dsc.columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: ANST - Survey.... (fwd) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:40:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! It turns out that the Rolls Ethereal (an on-line listing of SCA members' e-mail addresses) was also a target for this mailing. Did anyone who's not on the Rolls get it? Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 16:27:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05717 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:27:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02775; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:45:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01080 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:45:00 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01066 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:44:57 -0700 (MST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.99ecd289 (4227) for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:44:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.99ecd289.255df237@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:44:07 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: The making of top hats To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com There are forms to cover, but can you afford $65-$80? That is what a felt top hat (as opposed to a silk one) will cost at a place like Hats in the Belfry. Amazon Drygoods has them in this price range, too. You can also get cheaper molded ones at formal wear stores. They don't look as good as the more expensive ones, but I think they would have to look as good as one you tried to cover yourself. My husband started with one of these, then we traded up to a felt one that he wears for early 19th c. interpretation, and then we bought a real gibus, or collapsible opera hat, for just under $200 several years ago. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 16:31:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05729 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:31:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03176; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:47:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01683 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:47:36 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01675 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:47:33 -0700 (MST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.3dca550f (4227) for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:46:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.3dca550f.255df2e2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:46:58 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Seeking an affordable shawl To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com I got one at the Textile Museum in Washington, DC, several years ago. It is made in Pakistan, is I think a cotton and rayon blend, is very large, and is a love paisley design. It was about $80, which I thought was a lot at the time, but I've definitely gotten my money's worth out of it. You might see if they still have them. They do mail order. If you are interested, I can look up a phone number for you. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 18:02:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05852 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:02:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14041; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25944 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:18:15 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from apollo.directcon.net (IDENT:root@apollo.directcon.net [206.170.184.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25931 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:18:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p36.directcon.net [206.170.184.135]) by apollo.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA03535 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:16:43 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:16:43 -0800 Message-Id: <199911130016.QAA03535@apollo.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: affordable shawl - 1850's Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Margo Anderson At 11:37 PM 11/11/1999 -0800, you wrote: > >-Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows > > >>>With the recent Pashmina craze bringing shawls back into current fashion, I >>>have grown hopeful that some maker out there might be offering a synthetic >>>version that would do well with Regency wear. >> >>I'm also hoping for this, preferably a large square that would do for >>`1850's. > >Check in the Smithsonian catalog. They often have big square shawls kind >of like this. > Yes, I just saw the Smithsonian catalof at my parent's house. The current issue has a 54" square and an oblong, both under $100, as I recall. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 18:03:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05856 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:03:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14177; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:20:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26281 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:20:23 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26270 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:20:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (morr0691.gti.net [208.216.122.91]) by gti.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA18493 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:20:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <382D56E6.ECE4D4D@gti.net> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 07:17:44 -0500 From: deborah rand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 1920's hats on PBS! References: <382C5180.403DD820@serv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: deborah rand Do you mean Agatha Christie's "Miss Marple?" ~Deb Rand I just watched a new (dated 1998 in the credits) "Mystery" on PBS last night starring Diana Rigg as a 1920's sleuth. I wish I could remember her name in this "Mystery" series, called "The Mrs. ---- Mysteries." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 18:36:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05878 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:36:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17437; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:53:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04504 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:53:12 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sight.vcn.com (sight.vcn.com [208.162.240.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04496 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:53:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from default (vcn20.usrtc-1.gill.wy.vcn.com [209.193.67.20]) by sight.vcn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA26490 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:53:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002001bad823$a61ec7c0$1841c1d1@default> From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: References: <382C5180.403DD820@serv.net> <382D56E6.ECE4D4D@gti.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: 1920's hats on PBS! Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 01:32:06 -0700 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Frank A Thallas Jr" Saw it too. She was "Mrs. Bradley", a 1920's divorcee... Didn't notice who wrote the books, if any. Liadain > -Poster: deborah rand > > Do you mean Agatha Christie's "Miss Marple?" > > ~Deb Rand > > I just watched a new (dated 1998 in the credits) "Mystery" on PBS last night > starring Diana Rigg as a 1920's sleuth. I wish I could remember her name in > this "Mystery" series, called "The Mrs. ---- Mysteries." > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 18:36:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05882 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:36:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17504; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:53:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04653 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:53:48 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04640 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:53:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from serv.net (hearn.loew.washington.edu [128.95.202.218]) by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10026 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:54:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <382CB6DB.9F7C8D1A@serv.net> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:54:51 -0800 From: Merouda the True of Beaumaris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: H-COST: Scarlet Pimpernel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Merouda the True of Beaumaris I was surprised to see no comments re: the three Scarlet Pimpernel shows on A&E. I thoroughly enjoyed them and loved the costuming. I don't know anything about this period, but did love What's Her Name's chopines. And Percy's coat. Loved it. What do you all have to say about it? Anything? Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Beaumaris Barony of Madrone Kingdom of AnTir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 18:40:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05892 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:40:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17977; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:57:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05587 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:57:27 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from apollo.directcon.net (IDENT:root@apollo.directcon.net [206.170.184.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05567 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:57:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p36.directcon.net [206.170.184.135]) by apollo.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA09075 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:55:54 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:55:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199911130055.QAA09075@apollo.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Scarlet Pimpernel Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Margo Anderson At 04:54 PM 11/12/1999 -0800, you wrote: > >-Poster: Merouda the True of Beaumaris > >I was surprised to see no comments re: the three Scarlet Pimpernel >shows on A&E. I thoroughly enjoyed them and loved the costuming. I >don't know anything about this period, but did love What's Her Name's >chopines. And Percy's coat. Loved it. > >What do you all have to say about it? Anything? > > I didn't watch much of it, but I thought the tailoring on the men's clothes was terrible. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 19:55:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05985 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:55:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24597; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17879 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:04:34 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17869 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:04:32 -0700 (MST) From: Hhdunlap@aol.com Received: from Hhdunlap@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.4ef1be9c (4586) for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:03:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.4ef1be9c.255e210d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:03:57 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Scarlet Pimpernel To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 29 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com It's one of my faorite books, but I'm with Margo on this one. I had a really hard time watching it, because the fit of the clothes on both males and females was so ghastly. I did like the way the range of clothes across classes of people was revealed. And I did love seeing Percy in his French Incroyable garb. Hope _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 20:15:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06005 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:15:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26122; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:31:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22300 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:29:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22293 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:29:54 -0700 (MST) From: Hhdunlap@aol.com Received: from Hhdunlap@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.30b74a3e (4586) for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:29:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.30b74a3e.255e26fd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:29:17 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #781 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 29 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com Worn for modesty, older women, and to keep off the chill. Y _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 20:22:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06011 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:22:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26877; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:39:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23278 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:38:10 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f180.hotmail.com [209.185.131.243]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA23272 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:38:08 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 6612 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 1999 02:37:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19991113023738.6611.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.156.3.109 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:37:37 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.156.3.109] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: EXPENSIVE shawl - 1850's Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:37:37 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Speaking of lovely shawls, I just saw at the Cedar Creek (ACW) event in Virginia an absolutely gorgeous wool paisley shawl in red and rust with deep violet and gold.... Unfortunately, the price tag was $528.00. I was tempted, but I didn't. Susannah > > > >>>With the recent Pashmina craze bringing shawls back into current >fashion, I > >>>have grown hopeful that some maker out there might be offering a >synthetic > >>>version that would do well with Regency wear. > >> > >>I'm also hoping for this, preferably a large square that would do for > >>`1850's. > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 20:23:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06015 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:23:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27026; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:40:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23638 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:40:54 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23632 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:40:52 -0700 (MST) From: Hhdunlap@aol.com Received: from Hhdunlap@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.33ddab23 (4586) for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:40:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.33ddab23.255e2993@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:40:19 EST Subject: H-COST: Re: 1810 Betsy To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 29 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com They are like a partlet or a dickey, an optional fill-in for a low-necked gown. Patterns and drawings of seven different styles, two of which are the frilly necked ones appropriate to 1810, are shown in Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion 1 1660-1860. Those go under the neck of the gown and tie under the bust. In Nancy Bradfield's Costume in Detail, this type is shown, as well as one with ruffles over the shoulders, which appears to go on *over* the gown. Women of all ages wore them, but the older women might have worn the more. They seem to be an optional accessory for younger women, especially useful for cooler weather. Hope _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 20:31:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06025 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:31:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27675; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:47:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24299 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:46:29 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24289 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:46:27 -0700 (MST) From: Hhdunlap@aol.com Received: from Hhdunlap@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.d48b1029 (4586) for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:45:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.d48b1029.255e2add@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:45:49 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: art gallery To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 29 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com I cant remeber which URL allows you to send email. I have seen it. But you can right click and copy just about any image on the Web and paste it into your e-mail or attach it. Its quicker for the receiver, who doesn't have go to the Web to access the post card. Hope _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 20:47:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06035 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:47:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28948; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:03:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26287 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:02:05 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26279 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:02:03 -0700 (MST) From: Hhdunlap@aol.com Received: from Hhdunlap@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.c95b0826 (4586) for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:01:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.c95b0826.255e2e84@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:01:24 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: h-costume-Buttons To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 29 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com Many would have been hand made, not purchased. Cloth buttons overcast with silk floss in patterns like "turks head" for mens frock coats. Thread buttons for shirts, which involve winding a linen thread around a pencil-shaped form to make a ring, and then using sort of a buttonhole stitch around until it is firm enough to act as a button. Buttons for mens jackets, uniforms, and the like would have been cast of pewter or brass in small molds in which a whole set of buttons would be cast at once. Hope _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 20:50:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06045 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:50:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29263; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:07:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26874 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:06:05 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f24.hotmail.com [209.185.131.87]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA26866 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 4302 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 1999 03:05:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19991113030531.4301.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.156.3.109 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:05:30 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.156.3.109] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Advice Needed Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:05:30 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Penny, Another good mag is Creative Needle. They have lovely children's and women's outfits, and even some really nice things (like pleated slacks & suit jackets) for boys. Full-size patterns are almost always included in the center fold-out section, a plus I really like. And I have about 10 yards of 45" wide cream-colored fine linen that I would be willing to part with for a negotiable price, for a project like yours of this significance! Let me know, Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris >From: Margo Anderson >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: Advice Needed >Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:31:07 -0800 > > >-Poster: Margo Anderson > >Penny, are you familiar with the magazine Sew Beautiful? It's about >heirloom sewing, and has many many ads for fabrics and notions, including >pastel linens. Also lots of information and design ideas for communion >dresses. > >Margo >(who is jealous because she only has boys) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 21:13:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06066 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:13:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00752; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:28:27 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29392 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:27:15 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bajor.ici.net (bajor.ici.net [207.180.0.58]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29386 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:27:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (d-gnaps-11.ici.net [207.180.12.18]) by bajor.ici.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA12358 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:27:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911130327.WAA12358@bajor.ici.net> Subject: H-COST: Damage Control (Re: Survey "Scam") Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:27:11 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Irene leNoir To: "H-Costume" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id UAA29387 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Irene leNoir Hello Everyone, This message was originally posted on the SCA-East listserve I am posting it to SCA-Garb and H-Cost Please forward it to any other lists that you know were hit by the survey. It would be a real shame if this woman's business suffered due to the cluelessness of the students. (Note: Excess forwarding headers, garbage code, and a phone number deleted for clarity and privacy concerns) ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Date: 11/12/99 9:26 PM Received: 11/12/99 9:31 PM From: Vanessa Layne, dagoura@mit.edu Reply-To: SCA-East, sca-east@indra.com To: SCA-East, sca-east@indra.com carolingia@bloom-beacon.mit.edu -Poster: Vanessa Layne SENT TO: carolingia sca-east I have spoken with Sofi on the phone, and got the real scoop. She thought she was doing a good samaritan thing by being the guinea pig for some college students in a marketing class. She had no idea that they would go and do something like this. She wrote up the attached message for me to send on, explaning it in her words. (In one of those weird syncronicity things, I'm currently working in the marketing division of a consulting firm which tells big companies how to market on-line; while I'm not actually a marketroid, I've HTML'd so many of their academic reports on e-marketing, that I now speak the language. For any subsequent classes, I am serious considering writing a letter to the professor for him to read to the class ("Today's lecture is on 'Brand Damage', boys and girls.") If there is someone else out there who speaks marketese more fluently than I, who'd like to do it or just contribute, let me know.) -- Tibicen tibicen@carolingia.org ------- Forwarded Message To: tibicen@carolingia.org From: Sofi Subject: Thanks for your help on the Students' goof I had no clue these guys were doing this. They are very engergized students working on a semester project. It really was an innocent survey. The local university (Bradley University) near where I live offers a marketing class for seniors and they have to do a marketing project on a real life company to graduate. The university called me and asked if I would help them out and be the real life company. (Their orignal company had backed out only four hours before their project was to begin. The canceling company was a union-labor management organization, so when they got medieval clothes and heard about the SCA, these guys were super enthusiastic.) I had no idea these guys would spam anyone. I don't think they knew what they were doing. I just called them and asked them what did they think they were doing. They said they didn't think they were spamming. They are very sorry. They have agreed to not do anything else unless they ask me first. You should not be bothered again. (Their class is over this semester.) Again, I did not know that they were going to do this. They ask for your forgiveness. On the good side, they all think the SCA is really cool and maybe will join up. Maybe, we'll get a half-more dozen eager members who are wild about the middle ages. Kindly, Sofi www.medievalclothes.com/ ------- End of Forwarded Message ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- Jessica Clark SCA: Irène leNoir irene@ici.net http://home.ici.net/~beowulf/jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 23:10:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06201 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:10:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09020; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:24:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13216 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:21:42 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13205 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:21:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [208.225.99.136] (ppp136.creative.net [208.225.99.136]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21216 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:29:29 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lilinah@mail.grin.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911120015.SAA22583@cdale3.midwest.net> References: <199911120015.SAA22583@cdale3.midwest.net> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:28:58 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lilinah biti-Anat Subject: Re: H-COST: questions in need of answers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lilinah biti-Anat I've seen Byzantine cloisonne and Carolingian cloisonne (probably learned from Byzantine craftspeople). That puts the technique in Europe around 800 CE or earlier. I'm not certain of the dates on the pieces i've seen. Some of what i've seen is not jewelry for personal wear, however, they are "jewels" on metal book covers, what a friend of mine calls book shrines. I don't know where they learned it. They could have gotten it from points east, although it's also possible they thought it up on their own... I recently looked at two wonderful art books, one on Carolingian art and the other on Byzantine art, so i suggest searching through art books for examples and data. Lilinah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 23:32:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06224 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:32:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10252; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:48:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16070 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:47:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.58.59]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16064 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:47:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from prodigy.net (PEORB102-17.splitrock.net [209.253.154.17]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA1251166 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:47:27 -0500 Message-ID: <382CFAC0.4A66BF98@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:44:32 -0600 From: Broom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Subject: Re: H-COST: ANST - Survey.... (fwd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Broom Let's add another interesting twist to this one... the only business mentioned in this survey was "Sofi's Stitches", a business run by a local SCA member from the home town of Bradley U (Peoria IL). She recently mentioned that she's *just* turned her business into a full-time venture, opened a website, and is taking internet orders. Don't know whether or not she had anything to do with this spam, of course. -- | Broom Broom@prodigy.net | 937-222-2330 233 Perrine St Dayton (1 of my fayre citees) OH 45410 \|/ 309-685-1532 1501 E Gardner Ln #1624 Peoria Hts (thother) IL 61614 /|\ Ministerium honor est, which means: //|\\ "My boy, it's kisstomary to cuss the bride." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 23:32:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06222 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:32:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10249; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:48:41 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16034 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:47:17 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16028 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:47:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from test (ip51.toronto7.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.73.51]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA22405 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:47:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991113001404.0094ea70@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:14:04 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: QEWU In-Reply-To: <3829EDD2.790F3A3D@pcs.k12.mi.us> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Danielle Nunn At 10:12 10/11/99 +0000, you wrote: > >-Poster: Jean Zerby > >The catalog sounds good. Info on that please? : ) > >Raella Greetings Raella, You can reach Bette at: Bette S. Feinstein of Hard-to-Find Needlework Books 96 Roundwood Road, Newton, MA 02464-1217 617-969-0942 tel/fax hardtofind@needleworkbooks.com Searchable database at: http://www.needleworkbooks.com I've ordered from her in the past and been very pleased. Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 23:35:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06230 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:35:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10500; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:52:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16509 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:51:37 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16497 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:51:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from [208.225.99.136] (ppp136.creative.net [208.225.99.136]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21810 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:59:24 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lilinah@mail.grin.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0B3E3AA67456D311A9FC0000E889ED9847BF8F@na-dpw1.dpw.alcoa.com> References: <0B3E3AA67456D311A9FC0000E889ED9847BF8F@na-dpw1.dpw.alcoa.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:58:54 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lilinah biti-Anat Subject: Re: H-COST: 70's shirts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lilinah biti-Anat Connie Fairchild wrote: > > - -Poster: Lilinah biti-Anat wrote: > > My recollection is that the wide-collared flowery shirts are more mid > > to late 60's, > >Not in my area in the mid 60's (the Midwest, but we are usually a little >behind -- but not 10 yrs!). I grew up in Chicago. In the mid-60's the English Mod fashions were around. Many men's shirts had white collars and bodies of tiny bright flowers on a dark ground. I bought a number of men's shirts, often styled somewhat like what we now often call a "poet's shirt", and men's wide neckties (one was a wide white moire tie) which i wore. I still own some of my mid-to-late '60's women's shirts with the big collars. >The mid-60's was small collars sometimes button >down, I don't remember any colors in shirts but white and then sometimes >with fine pinstripes. There were narrow lapels on suits, pant legs were >"pegged" to be narrow, and ties were narrow as well. This is what straight people, normals, wore. My father would only wear white and he thought our neighbor was strange because he sometimes wore blue shirts. Those into the fashion edge checked out high fashion magazines, such as Bazaar (which had the most wonderful, absolutely impossible, designer women's clothes). I wasn't rich so i didn't get bleeding edge designer clothes, but there was a store called "Paraphernalia", which had outlets in a number of US cities (and in London, i think), where i got mini-skirts, sleeveless turtleneck bodysuits with the deeply cut armholes, mini-dresses with simple almost loose bodies and all manner of unusual sleeve treatments, odd accessories such as a green lame cloth "aviators helmet" and other odd things, like false eyelashes with rhinestones on the eyelid part. >My nephew asked me to make him a "Disco Shirt" to wear to his high school >dance in about 1977 when disco was all the rage. The fabric he chose was >bright blue satin with BIG flowers (I may be off a year or two, but am >fairly close). 70's disco stuff was generally polyester, back when it was new and exciting, and often polyester knit, which was quite fashionable. The fabric came in an amazing variety of bright prints. I still have unsewn fabric from then, but i tended to get the pseudo-Art Deco patterns. In the early 70's i had some polyester knit mini-dresses, but by the late '60's i was already into the midi look, which when properly shaped could look very nice - i tended to buy dresses and suits from London or from Betsey Johnson when she wasn't as expensive as she is now. I made my boyfriend some shirts of those photoprint fabrics when they were new and unusual (i see them making a bit of a comeback). I was especially fond of two photoprinted polyester fabric shirts i made, one with Monet's Waterlilies and the other with Maxfield Parrish designs on a sky blue ground. But the 70's stuff i made didn't have those really big collars. 'Course, it's been a few decades :-) and i could be mis-remembering. Lilinah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 12 23:53:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06239 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:53:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12052; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:09:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18384 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:08:45 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18378 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:08:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from [208.225.99.136] (ppp136.creative.net [208.225.99.136]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22099 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:16:34 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lilinah@mail.grin.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:16:01 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lilinah biti-Anat Subject: Re: H-COST: 1920's hats on PBS! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lilinah biti-Anat Well, if you like the period, and i REALLY do, and you get PBS, give "The Mrs. Bradley Mysteries" on "Mystery!" a look. I hope there's another next Thursday. The story felt like it was modern, written to seem like it was old, perhaps a bit too self-conscious. But the costumes were good. I liked the Chinoise pyjama set Dame Diana Rigg wore near the end - wasn't it black, coral, and muted turquoise? And the hats, the hats! Oh! Oh! I was near fainting. Some may not have been all that authentic, but, my! they were wonderful! I own a bizarrely twist felt hat made by a local craftswoman, similar to, although not as wonderful as, a couple Dame Diana Rigg wore. I also own a dark blue velvet and lace dress and matching cloche from the 20's, a red velvet and gold lace cloche, and one of those squashed looking hats that some of the younger women were wearing. I love hats and the first half of this century was a wonderful time for them. I'm not as fond of those little feathered things from the '50's. Besides, they are wrong for my hair :-) My mother, born in 1921, hates hats and always accuses me of wearing them to annoy her, but i almost never go out without a hat. I had a hat in the mid-60's that had a not too high crown and a *square* brim turned up at the corners. I miss that hat. Lilinah hat lover _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 00:06:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06250 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:06:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12946; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:22:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19650 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:21:48 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19640 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:21:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [208.225.99.136] (ppp136.creative.net [208.225.99.136]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22310 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:29:31 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lilinah@mail.grin.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19991113001404.0094ea70@mail.interlog.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19991113001404.0094ea70@mail.interlog.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:28:56 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lilinah biti-Anat Subject: Re: H-COST: QEWU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lilinah biti-Anat >-Poster: Danielle Nunn > >You can reach Bette at: > >Bette S. Feinstein of Hard-to-Find Needlework Books >96 Roundwood Road, Newton, MA 02464-1217 >617-969-0942 tel/fax >hardtofind@needleworkbooks.com >Searchable database at: >http://www.needleworkbooks.com > >I've ordered from her in the past and been very pleased. Wow! This is a gem of a site! Thank you for sharing the info. Lilinah drooling into her keyboard _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 02:35:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00832 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 02:35:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA18576; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 01:50:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03143 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 01:47:44 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.well.com (smtp.well.com [206.80.6.147]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03136 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 01:47:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from mouse-s-box (cvx01-026.sfo.wenet.net [206.169.248.26]) by smtp.well.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA24662 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:47:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911130847.AAA24662@smtp.well.com> X-Sender: mouse@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:47:20 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lee Carter Subject: Re: H-COST: 1920's hats on PBS! In-Reply-To: <382D56E6.ECE4D4D@gti.net> References: <382C5180.403DD820@serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lee Carter At 07:17 AM 11/13/99 -0500, you wrote: > >-Poster: deborah rand > >Do you mean Agatha Christie's "Miss Marple?" > >~Deb Rand > > I just watched a new (dated 1998 in the credits) "Mystery" on PBS last night >starring Diana Rigg as a 1920's sleuth. I wish I could remember her name in >this "Mystery" series, called "The Mrs. ---- Mysteries." > Mrs. Bradley, Her first name is Adela... very notorious.... I like her quote "better to get married young .... just like having the chicken poxs... something to that effect... Lee _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 05:16:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10024 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 05:16:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24338; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 04:30:41 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17677 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 04:28:41 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA17672 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 04:28:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.222.16]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991113112837.DJTW16362.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:28:37 +0100 Message-ID: <382D4A86.A1B6A850@post12.tele.dk> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:24:54 +0100 From: leif drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [da] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: inches Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: leif drews Hello all Could someone please help me with this, i have no idea what so eaver. Someone told me that an english inch is different from an amerikan. How much is an american inch in centimeters? We only use centimeters here in Denmark and i need the information to check out some sizes of some amerikan palliettes (seaquins) Would be most greatfull for this help!! Bjarne. -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 07:46:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10284 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 07:45:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29526; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 07:00:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29793 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 06:58:50 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.26]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA29785 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 06:58:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from goober ([209.184.10.114]) by mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with SMTP id <0FL500EES2TYC1@mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 07:58:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 08:00:14 -0600 From: Maleah Subject: Re: H-COST: inches To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <000e01bf2ddf$69c15ca0$0101a8c0@goober> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 References: <382D4A86.A1B6A850@post12.tele.dk> X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Maleah Bjarne, One American inch is equal to 2.5cm (at least that's what's on my tape measure). I hope this helps. Maleah maleah@swbell.net Oklahoma USA ----- Original Message ----- From: leif drews To: Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 5:24 AM Subject: H-COST: inches > > -Poster: leif drews > > Hello all > Could someone please help me with this, i have no idea what so eaver. > Someone told me that an english inch is different from an amerikan. > How much is an american inch in centimeters? > We only use centimeters here in Denmark and i need the information to > check out some sizes of some amerikan palliettes (seaquins) > > Would be most greatfull for this help!! > > Bjarne. > > > -- > > > Leif Drews > Åboulevard 5, 3 th > 1635 København V > > Bjarne Drews > Åboulevard 5,3.th > 1635 København V > > tlf. 35 37 13 70 > > Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > > Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 09:53:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10368 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:53:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07540; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:07:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13330 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:05:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13324 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:05:57 -0700 (MST) From: Appin1@aol.com Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.ee9c5b43 (4390) for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:05:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.ee9c5b43.255ee641@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:05:21 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Egyptians To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Appin1@aol.com By the way, In the US, the film is called The Advocate, in case anyone wonders what Henk is talking about. No information on "Egyptians" for you, though. Kathleen Norvell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 10:14:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10389 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:14:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08865; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:30:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16078 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:29:52 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from apollo.directcon.net (IDENT:root@apollo.directcon.net [206.170.184.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16067 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:29:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p1.directcon.net [206.170.184.50]) by apollo.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA23359 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 08:28:16 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 08:28:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199911131628.IAA23359@apollo.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: inches Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Margo Anderson At 12:24 PM 11/13/1999 +0100, you wrote: > >-Poster: leif drews > >Hello all >Could someone please help me with this, i have no idea what so eaver. >Someone told me that an english inch is different from an amerikan. No, you have been misinformed. The English inch and the American inch are the same. Your informant may have been confused by the fact that the English people have had the good sense to go over to the metric system, leaving the US alone in our stubborness in maintaining this ridiculous system. Have any of the list members who were raised with the Imperial system managed to train themselves to think in metric when they sew? I keep thinking I should, but haven't managed to do it yet. One thing I did find handy, when I was in the bridal gown fitting racket, was to take the bride's measurements in metri, so she didn't argue with numbers she wasn't emotionally fixated on. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 10:47:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10414 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:47:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10789; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:04:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20145 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:03:16 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from colquitt.sccsi.com (darren.bolding.org [207.90.208.114] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20133 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:03:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.207.56.41] (56-97.netwurx.net [209.207.56.97]) by colquitt.sccsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11415 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:03:02 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: melanie@pop.faucet.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911120015.SAA22583@cdale3.midwest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:04:19 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: H-COST: questions in need of answers Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Melanie Schuessler >-Poster: "Mary-Gayle Jany" >1. When and where did Cloisonne used for jewelry, not home decorative >items, originate? >2. When and where did Cloisonne used as jewelry enter the European sector? >3. Are any pictures of early European examples available? You might check out information on the Sutton Hoo ship burial (burial hoard of an East Anglian king found in Suffolk, England), which included a fabulous cloisonne purse cover c. 654. I just have it in a general art history book, but look under early "Germanic" art in the library. Also check out Frankish, as there's an example of a lovely Frankish 6th/7th c. cloisonne fibula in my book. Good luck Melanie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 11:48:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10483 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:48:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14695; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:04:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27511 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:03:10 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pop1.cyberhighway.net (pop1.cyberhighway.net [209.161.0.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA27496 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:03:08 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199911131803.LAA27496@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 17106 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1999 11:03:03 -0700 Received: from ts26-09.boi.cyberhighway.net (HELO kathy) (209.161.8.123) by pop1.cyberhighway.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 1999 11:03:03 -0700 From: "K & J Hopkins" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: questions in need of answers Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:11:51 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "K & J Hopkins" OK, completely out of left field here. I was watching the Antiques Roadshow and these sisters brought in a 5'-0" tall Chinese Cloisonné vase. Do you ever wonder how those people get that kind of stuff to the site? This thing must have weighed a ton!! Anyway, he dated it to the 1880's and gave them a really good price. But, as he was describing the vase, he mentioned that Cloisonné technique was first used in Greece before Christ. Not saying it's true, just passing along some of the information that my brain hangs onto. Kathlene ---------- > From: Melanie Schuessler > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: questions in need of answers > Date: Saturday, November 13, 1999 9:04 AM > > > -Poster: Melanie Schuessler > > >-Poster: "Mary-Gayle Jany" > >1. When and where did Cloisonne used for jewelry, not home decorative > >items, originate? > >2. When and where did Cloisonne used as jewelry enter the European sector? > >3. Are any pictures of early European examples available? > > You might check out information on the Sutton Hoo ship burial (burial hoard > of an East Anglian king found in Suffolk, England), which included a > fabulous cloisonne purse cover c. 654. I just have it in a general art > history book, but look under early "Germanic" art in the library. Also > check out Frankish, as there's an example of a lovely Frankish 6th/7th c. > cloisonne fibula in my book. > > Good luck > Melanie > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 15:35:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10830 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:35:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28718; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 14:49:39 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23033 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 14:46:48 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from cdale3.midwest.net (cdale3.midwest.net [208.235.1.20]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23021 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 14:46:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from talk2meg.midwest.net (johnstoncity20.midwest.net [208.235.11.158]) by cdale3.midwest.net (8.9.0/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24750 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:46:39 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199911132146.PAA24750@cdale3.midwest.net> From: "Mary-Gayle Jany" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: questions in need of answers Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:49:34 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Mary-Gayle Jany" Thanks to all who have mentioned sources to check. While I have numerous art books that show cloisonne, very few of them give more than a statement guessing (albeit educated guesses) as to dates. I had hoped to find a primary statement, even though it would be a translation. I figured that if anyone knew, the folks on this list would. Kathlene, what a coincident! A vague reference made by a professor (one that I have long since learned not to challenge) at a recent department activity is what led to my question. His statement suggested a Greek/B.C. possibility too. All the truly ancient pieces I have found have been Asian, decidedly Chinese. Of course, after the professor's statement, I thought perhaps my own ignorance or lack of enough source material had let me jump to a single-source theory. If you have any other information, albeit ever so slight, concerning the Greek/B.C. connection, I would greatly appreciate receiving it. Thanks, All. Meg ---------- > From: K & J Hopkins > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: questions in need of answers > Date: Saturday, November 13, 1999 12:11 PM > > > -Poster: "K & J Hopkins" > > OK, completely out of left field here. I was watching the Antiques > Roadshow and these sisters brought in a 5'-0" tall Chinese Cloisonné vase. > Do you ever wonder how those people get that kind of stuff to the site? > This thing must have weighed a ton!! Anyway, he dated it to the 1880's and > gave them a really good price. But, as he was describing the vase, he > mentioned that Cloisonné technique was first used in Greece before Christ. > > Not saying it's true, just passing along some of the information that my > brain hangs onto. > > Kathlene > > ---------- > > From: Melanie Schuessler > > To: h-costume@indra.com > > Subject: Re: H-COST: questions in need of answers > > Date: Saturday, November 13, 1999 9:04 AM > > > > > > -Poster: Melanie Schuessler > > > > >-Poster: "Mary-Gayle Jany" > > >1. When and where did Cloisonne used for jewelry, not home decorative > > >items, originate? > > >2. When and where did Cloisonne used as jewelry enter the European > sector? > > >3. Are any pictures of early European examples available? > > > > You might check out information on the Sutton Hoo ship burial (burial > hoard > > of an East Anglian king found in Suffolk, England), which included a > > fabulous cloisonne purse cover c. 654. I just have it in a general art > > history book, but look under early "Germanic" art in the library. Also > > check out Frankish, as there's an example of a lovely Frankish 6th/7th c. > > cloisonne fibula in my book. > > > > Good luck > > Melanie > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 16:24:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10878 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:24:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03234; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29058 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:40:39 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29052 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:40:38 -0700 (MST) From: Hhdunlap@aol.com Received: from Hhdunlap@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.a77cb74a (4223) for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 17:40:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.a77cb74a.255f42c0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 17:40:00 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: questions in need of answers To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 29 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com I remember cloisonne Celtic work from my art history days. Hope _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 16:24:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10882 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:24:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03177; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:40:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28861 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:38:50 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28852 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:38:49 -0700 (MST) From: Hhdunlap@aol.com Received: from Hhdunlap@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.39e3dbed (4223) for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 17:38:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.39e3dbed.255f4252@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 17:38:10 EST Subject: H-COST: 1860's Mourning Attire To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 29 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com I enjoyed seeing the picture in the paper today of two women in 1860's mourning attire at The Citidel, participating in a ceremony to rebury a number of Civil War dead who were unearthed during an archeological dig prior to a new stadium being built. (I (I hope I reported that accurately.) They wore black dresses and bonnets with black veils over all. Really made the heart skip a beat. Hope _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 17:02:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10974 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 17:02:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06057; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:18:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03459 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:17:15 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03449 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:17:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mercury.physics.adelaide.edu.au (mercury [129.127.36.44]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id JAA01245 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:47:04 +1030 (CST) Received: from localhost by mercury.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.65v4.0/1.1.19.2/11Aug99-1220PM) id AA22438; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:47:00 +1030 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:46:59 +1030 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: inches In-Reply-To: <199911131628.IAA23359@apollo.directcon.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, Margo Anderson wrote: > > No, you have been misinformed. The English inch and the American inch are > the same. > > Your informant may have been confused by the fact that the English people > have had the good sense to go over to the metric system, leaving the US > alone in our stubborness in maintaining this ridiculous system. In the past weren't there differences between French and English imperial measurements? Maybe that's where the confusion has come from. The English still do road signs in miles (or at least, they did ten years ago), but everything else is metric. > > Have any of the list members who were raised with the Imperial system > managed to train themselves to think in metric when they sew? I keep > thinking I should, but haven't managed to do it yet. One thing I did find > handy, when I was in the bridal gown fitting racket, was to take the bride's > measurements in metri, so she didn't argue with numbers she wasn't > emotionally fixated on. > Depends what you mean by 'thinks in'. I was raised in metric, but I can still do inches if need be (ie if something says turn up a 1 1/2" hem I could do that without reference to a tape measure, or thinking 1"=2.5cm). I can also cook in imperial because my mother, who taught me, doesn't get metric. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 17:07:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10978 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 17:07:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06422; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:24:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04271 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:24:29 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04258 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:24:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from mercury.physics.adelaide.edu.au (mercury [129.127.36.44]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id JAA01358 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:54:21 +1030 (CST) Received: from localhost by mercury.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.65v4.0/1.1.19.2/11Aug99-1220PM) id AA25492; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:54:21 +1030 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:54:21 +1030 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Scarlet Pimpernel In-Reply-To: <199911130055.QAA09075@apollo.directcon.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Margo Anderson wrote: > > > > > I didn't watch much of it, but I thought the tailoring on the men's clothes > was terrible. > Really? I thought the women's clothes were terrible. None of Percy's wife's dresses fitted properly. But I thought the men's clothes were okay. Then again, I don't know so much about men's clothes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 18:21:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11030 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:21:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10418; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 17:36:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12151 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 17:33:31 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.alltel.net (mail.alltel.net [166.102.165.30]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12145 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 17:33:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from alltel.net (r-246.93.alltel.net [166.102.246.93]) by mail.alltel.net (8.9.3/ALLTEL Messaging Service) with ESMTP id SAA13288 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:33:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <382E02E8.5EB47F17@alltel.net> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:31:36 -0500 From: "jmhr@alltel.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: lining question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "jmhr@alltel.net" Can anyone tell me the period name for a material I often see as a lining in women's and children's dresses, from the 19thC? It looks like a coarse linen - or sometimes cotton - with a heavy glaze on it, often cracked with age, crackles almost like paper and the color varies from pale beige to a golden brown. I've seen references to book (or buk) muslin, glazed calico, brown holland, victoria lawn, etc. But what's what? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 19:02:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11061 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:02:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13067; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:17:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17140 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:16:09 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17131 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:16:07 -0700 (MST) From: MissMela@aol.com Received: from MissMela@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.f919f31f (4200) for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:15:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.f919f31f.255f6732@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:15:30 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Scarlet Pimpernel To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MissMela@aol.com In a message dated 11/13/1999 3:25:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, csmart@physics.adelaide.edu.au writes: << Really? I thought the women's clothes were terrible. None of Percy's wife's dresses fitted properly. But I thought the men's clothes were okay. Then again, I don't know so much about men's clothes. >> I agree about the women's clothes, most items did not fit correctly, but I happen to know that they were pulled from Angels and Bermans stock in London, not custom fit. I loved the men's tailoring and they were custom done by the master tailor, R.I. Davis from Angels and Bermans. It would be interesting to know what people did not like about it. Finally, there was the correct cut and hang for the period as opposed to the 1970's one with Jane Seymour. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 19:48:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11111 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:48:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16074; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:02:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22759 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:01:12 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ic.net (ic.net [152.160.8.96]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA22748 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:01:10 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199911140201.TAA22748@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 18709 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1999 02:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p149.204.ic.net) (206.84.204.149) by unknown with SMTP; 14 Nov 1999 02:01:08 -0000 From: "Steve & Michelle Plumb" To: "historic costume group" Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:01:44 -0400 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: H-COST: Hey, what's happened to La Mode Bagatelle's web page? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Steve & Michelle Plumb" Yikes! I have a question to ask the good folks at La Mode Bagatelle. But when I tried to access their web page, http://www.lamodebagatelle.com it was nowhere to be found! What's happened? I know that's the correct URL, since I've visited the site before and bookmarked the page. I even double-checked through search utilities, and they all point to the same page. Then I tried to run a tracer and ping, and had no better luck. Waaaaaaaahhh! Anyone know what's going on? TIA, Michelle =========================================================== Steve & Michelle Plumb -- splumb@ic.net Plymouth, Michigan USA "Give me ten men like Clouseau, and I could destroy the world." -- Herbert Lom, in "A Shot In the Dark" =========================================================== _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 20:11:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11143 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:11:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17683; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25894 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:22:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25886 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:22:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from test (ip80.toronto6.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.72.80]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA15377 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:22:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991113212529.0095f520@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:25:29 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: H-COST: Marquise In-Reply-To: <016601bf2d5e$e6da38a0$83811a18@dsc.columbus.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, For those of you who saw the French movie "Marquise" (about a 17th century actress) a year or so ago. Great news! It's now out on video - I bought a copy today. It's a wonderful film. And to keep it on topic, anyone know how acurate the costumes are? I love them unfortunately, they aren't my specialty. Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 20:17:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11153 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:17:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18186; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:32:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27641 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:32:19 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA27632 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:32:17 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:32:17 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 602 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1999 02:32:10 -0000 Received: from 20.70.3-10.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (HELO JOANJURA) (207.231.70.20) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 1999 02:32:10 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19991113183841.44af3c0c@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: inches Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 12:24 PM 11/13/99 +0100, leif drews wrote: > >-Poster: leif drews > >Hello all >Could someone please help me with this, i have no idea what so eaver. >Someone told me that an english inch is different from an amerikan. >How much is an american inch in centimeters? >We only use centimeters here in Denmark and i need the information to >check out some sizes of some amerikan palliettes (seaquins) > >Would be most greatfull for this help!! > >Bjarne. An American inch is 2.54 cm. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 21:06:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11210 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:06:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21390; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:21:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03605 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:20:21 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03597 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:20:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from erols.com (207-172-53-106.s106.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.53.106]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id WAA18280; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:20:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <382E54C4.1FB43EA6@erols.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:20:52 -0800 From: "David S. Mallinak" Organization: Red Dragon Enterprises X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com, evedave1@netcom.ca Subject: Re: H-COST: Buff Coats References: <002e01be9a7f$f794c9c0$e0257bd8@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "David S. Mallinak" David Stamper & Eve Harris wrote: > I am interested in any info people might have on pre -17th century > buff coats (say 1550-1600) . Are there examples of long leather coats > used as armour during the Elizabethan period, or were they mostly > found around the time of the English Civil War. I know there were a > lot of leather garments in the 16th century, but when did the coat > come in? I've seen some long coats worn under breast plates in the > Lant's Rolls of the funeral of Sir Phillip Sydney, could these be a > form of buff coat? Any info you have would be greatly appreciated. I > was mostly hoping to confirm that such a thing existed. I would reccomend Military Illustrated (an English magizine) #54 has an article by Mark Beabey. I will say that I have not seen it (and would love a photcopy). But I have read his artcle on 17th century shoes. It gives extensive detail on the types and construction of shoes. David S MAllinak MacLean's Company, MacDermott Regiment of Irish Foote Fighing in Scotland for the Royalist Cause and the Irish Confederation _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 21:34:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11260 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:34:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24108; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:49:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06474 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:48:42 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from scnc.pcs.k12.mi.us (mail.pcs.k12.mi.us [204.39.58.102]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06468 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:48:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from pcs.k12.mi.us (pm456-25.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.83]) by scnc.pcs.k12.mi.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA13051 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:48:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <382DEC98.812C6571@pcs.k12.mi.us> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:56:36 +0000 From: Jean Zerby X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: inches References: <2.2.16.19991113183841.44af3c0c@mail2.quiknet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Jean Zerby Ok, to sidestep the inches for a minute, does anyone know how long an 'el' is? This is often mentioned in the Spanish tailors book, but I couldn't find the modern equivelent. Raella Joan M Jurancich wrote: > -Poster: Joan M Jurancich > > At 12:24 PM 11/13/99 +0100, leif drews wrote: > > > >-Poster: leif drews > > > >Hello all > >Could someone please help me with this, i have no idea what so eaver. > >Someone told me that an english inch is different from an amerikan. > >How much is an american inch in centimeters? > >We only use centimeters here in Denmark and i need the information to > >check out some sizes of some amerikan palliettes (seaquins) > > > >Would be most greatfull for this help!! > > > >Bjarne. > > An American inch is 2.54 cm. > > Joan Jurancich > Sacramento, CA > joanj@quiknet.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 21:45:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11272 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:45:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24968; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:00:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07591 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:00:15 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.sdca.home.com [24.0.3.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07577 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:00:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.0.170.52]) by lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991114040012.BSII11592.lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com@home.com> for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:00:12 -0800 Message-ID: <382E31FD.B1CEFA2F@home.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:52:29 -0800 From: Russell Hedges Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: The making of top hats References: <3.0.5.32.19991111203630.00799d20@antir.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Russell Hedges Kris wrote: > > -Poster: Kris > > I have jsut discovered, after looking through a site with wonderful > 'fantasy' style victorian clothing, that I want one. Unfortunately, I > cannot afford to go out and spend $200 on purchasing one. The best way to get one is to inherit it. Ask around your family. I am lucky in that one from an ancester has been preserved, and with a lack of interest by anyone else, it came to me. It's delicate, but it came with the original leather hat case. When did the fashion of beaver fur hats end? I have the impression that the hat is about 120 years old. But I am not sure. I also have the cheapest Opera hat ever made. The brim is flocked plastic, with the collapsing part of cloth. Sold by the Johnson Smith Company (who advertises in the back of comic books) for the amature magician. No longer available, I am afraid. But, as long as what shows is right, the structure of a re-production could be of materials not available when the object was originally stylish. Russell Hedges _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 22:10:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11287 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:10:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27109; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:25:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10077 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:24:46 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.sdca.home.com [24.0.3.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10072 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:24:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.0.170.52]) by lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991114042443.CBYB11592.lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com@home.com> for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:24:43 -0800 Message-ID: <382E37BE.B0DC1BEF@home.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:17:02 -0800 From: Russell Hedges Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: inches References: <382D4A86.A1B6A850@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Russell Hedges leif drews wrote: > > -Poster: leif drews > > Hello all > Could someone please help me with this, i have no idea what so eaver. > Someone told me that an english inch is different from an amerikan. > How much is an american inch in centimeters? This is a place to go for free conversions of metric to English units of measure. Or the other way. http://www.psinvention.com/zoetic/convert.htm Russell Hedges _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 22:32:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11295 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:32:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28878; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:47:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12591 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:46:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12586 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:46:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA29406 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA20554 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:47:11 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:47:11 -0500 (EST) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: inches In-Reply-To: <382DEC98.812C6571@pcs.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: aleed I know there's some discussion in the Alcega Tailor's book about the different Ell measurements, near the back I believe. Drea On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, Jean Zerby wrote: > > -Poster: Jean Zerby > > Ok, to sidestep the inches for a minute, does anyone know how long an > 'el' is? This is often mentioned in the Spanish tailors book, but I > couldn't find the modern equivelent. > Raella > > Joan M Jurancich wrote: > > > -Poster: Joan M Jurancich > > > > At 12:24 PM 11/13/99 +0100, leif drews wrote: > > > > > >-Poster: leif drews > > > > > >Hello all > > >Could someone please help me with this, i have no idea what so eaver. > > >Someone told me that an english inch is different from an amerikan. > > >How much is an american inch in centimeters? > > >We only use centimeters here in Denmark and i need the information to > > >check out some sizes of some amerikan palliettes (seaquins) > > > > > >Would be most greatfull for this help!! > > > > > >Bjarne. > > > > An American inch is 2.54 cm. > > > > Joan Jurancich > > Sacramento, CA > > joanj@quiknet.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 22:45:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11301 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:45:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00100; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:00:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13996 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:59:43 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13991 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:59:42 -0700 (MST) From: Marionetta@aol.com Received: from Marionetta@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.1e9f62a0 (4359) for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:59:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.1e9f62a0.255f9b9a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:59:06 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Scarlet Pimpernel To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Marionetta@aol.com In a message dated 11/13/99 6:25:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, csmart@physics.adelaide.edu.au writes: << Really? I thought the women's clothes were terrible. None of Percy's wife's dresses fitted properly. But I thought the men's clothes were okay. >> I read that the actress playing his wife had a baby around the time of filming, this could account for the strange fit for her clothes. Cheers, Loren Dearborn marionetta@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 13 22:56:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11347 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:56:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00847; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:11:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15359 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:10:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hevanet.com (root@hevanet.com [198.5.254.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15351 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:10:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from wanda (gl-ppp01.hevanet.com [204.119.60.21]) by hevanet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA05530 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:10:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: inches Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:04:14 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Wanda Pease" In the first edition of Alcega the conversion tables are on pages 18 and 19 at the beginning of the translated section. When we made the "learned mans gown" on page 40 (f.49) we found we could translate the el as 36" and it worked fine. Regina Romsey > -Poster: aleed > > > I know there's some discussion in the Alcega Tailor's book about the > different Ell measurements, near the back I believe. > > Drea > > On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, Jean Zerby wrote: > > > > > -Poster: Jean Zerby > > > > Ok, to sidestep the inches for a minute, does anyone know how long an > > 'el' is? This is often mentioned in the Spanish tailors book, but I > > couldn't find the modern equivelent. > > Raella > > > > Joan M Jurancich wrote: > > > > > -Poster: Joan M Jurancich > > > > > > At 12:24 PM 11/13/99 +0100, leif drews wrote: > > > > > > > >-Poster: leif drews > > > > > > > >Hello all > > > >Could someone please help me with this, i have no idea what so eaver. > > > >Someone told me that an english inch is different from an amerikan. > > > >How much is an american inch in centimeters? > > > >We only use centimeters here in Denmark and i need the information to > > > >check out some sizes of some amerikan palliettes (seaquins) > > > > > > > >Would be most greatfull for this help!! > > > > > > > >Bjarne. > > > > > > An American inch is 2.54 cm. > > > > > > Joan Jurancich > > > Sacramento, CA > > > joanj@quiknet.com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 00:37:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11448 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:37:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08245; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:50:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24476 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:47:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from eagle.sac.verio.net (root@eagle.sac.verio.net [207.159.5.20]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24469 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:47:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.159.15.105] (pm03-39.rose.sac.verio.net [207.159.15.105]) by eagle.sac.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA26971 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:47:50 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: kworley@mail.ns.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911140459.VAA14008@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:47:05 -0800 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Katrina Worley Subject: H-COST: what's an "ell"? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Katrina Worley The word "ell" refers to arm (that's why the bow or bend in your arm is called an "el-bow"). An ell, then, is an arms length. How you measure the arms length is different depending on your culture. You can measure from fingertips to the shoulder of the same arm (Scotland), from fingertips to breastbone or nose (U.S.), or from fingertips across the chest to the opposite shoulder, or from fingertips to fingertips (this last is usually called a "fathom", and is a basic measurement of long lengths of line on shipboard). The ell is usually from about 27 inches to maybe 45 or so. If you measuure from fingertips to breastbone you should get something aproximating a yard (mine is about 34 inches- close enough for estimating). Katrina Katrina in Loomis, CA *************** History: what special people were doing in special places at special times; Anthropology: what everyone else was doing the rest of the time. **K. Worley, 1997** _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 00:51:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11461 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:51:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09194; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:02:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25730 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:01:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chupacabras.flash.net (chupacabras.flash.net [209.30.2.16]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25722 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:01:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (p125.amax3.dialup.hou1.flash.net [209.30.64.125]) by chupacabras.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15272 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 01:01:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <382E51EB.F87AB7F7@flash.net> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:08:43 -0600 From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: inches References: <199911131628.IAA23359@apollo.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Charlene Charette Margo Anderson wrote: > Have any of the list members who were raised with the Imperial system > managed to train themselves to think in metric when they sew? I keep I have a researcher friend who works with metric all day in the lab, but can't make her brain use metric when cooking. She thought it odd. --Charlene -- When the origin of a thing is remote and mysterious it has been the custom to attribute it to the Devil or to Asia. -- Sir William Gurney Benham, _Playing_Cards_ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 02:04:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13639 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 02:04:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14206; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 01:17:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01796 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 01:15:28 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hevanet.com (root@hevanet.com [198.5.254.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01791 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 01:15:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from wanda (st-ppp09.hevanet.com [198.5.254.183]) by hevanet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA23428 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:15:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: H-COST: Silk Flowers for Hair Ornaments at the Italian Courts 1550 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:08:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Wanda Pease" I've been going through the topics listings from the Medici Archives project in the Costume and Dress section. These are letters and notes sent to and from Eleonora di Toledo and Duke Cosimo I. Unfortunately the really interesting pieces are in Italian, but there is also a short synopsis of some 150 documents in English. Two talk about silk flowers sent to be used as hair ornaments. Eleonora de' Medici Duchessa di Mantova (1587) Location: Mantova From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 07:11:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15348 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 07:11:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA24135; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 06:17:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21172 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 06:15:43 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.alltel.net (mail.alltel.net [166.102.165.30]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA21167 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 06:15:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from days.alltel.net (r-152.56.alltel.net [166.102.152.56]) by mail.alltel.net (8.9.3/ALLTEL Messaging Service) with SMTP id HAA25707 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 07:15:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00d901bf2ea1$90804140$389866a6@days.alltel.net> From: " The days" To: Subject: H-COST: Archives? 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------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01BF2E77.A3259B80-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 08:18:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15404 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 08:18:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27913; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 07:26:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27090 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 07:25:00 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27081 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 07:24:58 -0700 (MST) From: MLaventure@aol.com Received: from MLaventure@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.553aa947 (4564) for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:24:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.553aa947.25602016@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:24:22 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: The making of top hats To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MLaventure@aol.com It is very possible to make a top hat yourself without having a lot of tools. I would recommend DL Designs patterns...Alteryears should carry them. Deborah gives extensive instructions in her patterns. This would walk you through making a buckram base. I would also recommend that you pick up the book From the Neck Up by D. Dreher. This book covers felt, buckram, straw, etc., and is considered the "Bible" for hatmaking. Some top hats will require wooden hat blocks, but you can do a flat pattern top hat from buckram. Look around for classes. I just taught a top hat class in the Bay area last weekend. There are now 12 new top hats being sported there. Mary LaVenture _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 08:25:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15410 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 08:25:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28631; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 07:35:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27925 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 07:35:10 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27920 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 07:35:08 -0700 (MST) From: Mayfair13a@aol.com Received: from Mayfair13a@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.29ba78e6 (4159) for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:34:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.29ba78e6.25602278@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:34:32 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk Flowers for Hair Ornaments at the Italian Courts 1550 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Mayfair13a@aol.com In a message dated 11/14/99 12:40:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, wandapease@bigfoot.com writes: << I've been going through the topics listings from the Medici Archives project in the Costume and Dress section. These are letters and notes sent to and from Eleonora di Toledo and Duke Cosimo I. Unfortunately the really interesting pieces are in Italian, but there is also a short synopsis of some 150 documents in English. Two talk about silk flowers sent to be used as hair ornaments. Eleonora de' Medici Duchessa di Mantova (1587) Location: Mantova - >> WOW!! This is the first I've heard of the Medici Archives project. How do you access this information? I am very interested. Do they have a web site? Please share Pasha _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 10:34:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15503 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:34:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06975; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:41:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10028 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:39:13 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10014 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:39:11 -0700 (MST) From: Hhdunlap@aol.com Received: from Hhdunlap@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.3cff55f5 (4406) for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:38:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.3cff55f5.25603f8e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:38:38 EST Subject: Re: H-COST:Ells To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 29 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion 1 and 3 both have a discussion of this. She references F. W. Maitland's Doomsday Book and Beyond and Philip Grierson's Stenton Lecture of 1971 entitled English Linear Measures and published by University of Reading. The ell was different lengths in different times and different places. The English ell has been 45 inches since the sixteenth century. 45 inches was accepted by some before that, but it was not universal in England. Prior to 1406, the ell had variously been 2 yards or 1 1/2 yards. In the Sixteenth Century, the Spanish ell and the French ell were a few inches different from the English ell. Hope _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 10:40:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15509 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:40:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07515; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:50:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11109 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:49:40 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11099 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:49:38 -0700 (MST) From: Hhdunlap@aol.com Received: from Hhdunlap@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.a520fa52 (4406) for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:49:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.a520fa52.256041fe@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:49:02 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Gypsies To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 29 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com There's a book called "Bury Me Standing Up" which is a cultural history of the Gypsies. They were thought to have migrated to Europe from India. The book covers several centuries and locations, so for a specific place and time there is only a little info. However, there *may* be a bibliography in it to help you in your investigation. Hope _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 12:46:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15630 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:46:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17193; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:53:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23861 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:51:42 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23850 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:51:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14789 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:51:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from henk (vp230-5.worldonline.nl [195.241.230.5]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA20176 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:51:35 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <003601bf2ed1$1d8ebec0$05e6f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <2.2.16.19991113183841.44af3c0c@mail2.quiknet.com> <382DEC98.812C6571@pcs.k12.mi.us> Subject: Re: H-COST: inches Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:27:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" Hi Raella wrote: , does anyone know how long an > 'el' is? This is often mentioned in the Spanish tailors book, but I > couldn't find the modern equivelent. Over in the Netherlands an 'ell' could from ca 1000 to ca now (some market merchants still have ell-measuring sticks!) be from ca 60 cm to about 80 cm. 69-70 was the most common measure though. Hope this helps, Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 13:02:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15643 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:02:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18825; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:11:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25836 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:10:28 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from loki.intrepid.net (IDENT:root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25827 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:10:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from default (pm3frd1-68-83.intrepid.net [206.102.68.83]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08780 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:10:24 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991114141527.0080ba90@intrepid.net> X-Sender: sshatto@intrepid.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:15:27 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sue Shatto Subject: Re: H-COST: The making of top hats In-Reply-To: <0.553aa947.25602016@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Sue Shatto If anyone is interested in original top hats - I have 5 or 6 to sell on my web site. At 09:24 AM 11/14/99 EST, you wrote: > >-Poster: MLaventure@aol.com > > >It is very possible to make a top hat yourself without having a lot of tools. > I would recommend DL Designs patterns...Alteryears should carry them. >Deborah gives extensive instructions in her patterns. This would walk you >through making a buckram base. > >I would also recommend that you pick up the book From the Neck Up by D. >Dreher. This book covers felt, buckram, straw, etc., and is considered the >"Bible" for hatmaking. > >Some top hats will require wooden hat blocks, but you can do a flat pattern >top hat from buckram. > >Look around for classes. I just taught a top hat class in the Bay area last >weekend. >There are now 12 new top hats being sported there. > >Mary LaVenture > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > Cordially, Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com http://www.VictorianMillinery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 13:17:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15653 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:17:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19683; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:25:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27378 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:24:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from luna.worldonline.nl (luna.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.131]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27371 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:24:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by luna.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09139 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:24:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from henk (vp235-232.worldonline.nl [195.241.235.232]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA29094 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:24:46 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <004301bf2ed5$c1097f00$05e6f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <0.a520fa52.256041fe@aol.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Gypsies Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:53:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" Hi, Hope wrote: > There's a book called "Bury Me Standing Up" which is a cultural history of > the Gypsies. They were thought to have migrated to Europe from India. The > book covers several centuries and locations, so for a specific place and time > there is only a little info. However, there *may* be a bibliography in it to > help you in your investigation. Thank you, Hope. Does this mean that out in H-Costume-land nobody knows anything about how gyspies were dressed in the middle ages? Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 13:19:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15657 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:19:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19808; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:29:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27813 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:28:49 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27799 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:28:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11n5KA-000HXW-0K for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:28:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:21:37 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: H-COST: inches In-Reply-To: <199911131628.IAA23359@apollo.directcon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Jean Waddie In message <199911131628.IAA23359@apollo.directcon.net>, Margo Anderson writes >No, you have been misinformed. The English inch and the American inch are >the same. > >Your informant may have been confused by the fact that the English people >have had the good sense to go over to the metric system, leaving the US >alone in our stubborness in maintaining this ridiculous system. > >Have any of the list members who were raised with the Imperial system >managed to train themselves to think in metric when they sew? I keep >thinking I should, but haven't managed to do it yet. One thing I did find >handy, when I was in the bridal gown fitting racket, was to take the bride's >measurements in metri, so she didn't argue with numbers she wasn't >emotionally fixated on. > >Margo > Hi - thanks for your help, Margo, I'm back. I grew up using metric all the way through school, but I can't do anything personal in metric - sewing, cooking, weighing myself. But often I just go for whichever comes to a whole number on whatever I'm doing - I'm quite happy to measure something as 23 inches long and 68 centimetres wide! -- Jean Waddie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 15:43:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15964 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:43:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02511; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:57:41 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14961 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:55:26 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.pa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.pa.home.com [24.2.5.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14954 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:55:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from C59303A ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.pa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991114215522.QBTL11258.mail.rdc1.pa.home.com@C59303A> for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:55:22 -0800 Message-ID: <00a001bf2f4f$a9fc4f70$ac350418@C59303A> From: "fhavas" To: References: <0.a520fa52.256041fe@aol.com> <004301bf2ed5$c1097f00$05e6f1c3@henk> Subject: Re: H-COST: Gypsies Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 03:49:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "fhavas" You have no idea how correct you are Henk. Everyone that I have conversed with had a totally different view of what they looked like. On the SCA list we have two individuals that have done a great deal of personal research on these people and have come out with different answers. I personally know someone from Macedonia and he tells me that it is on purpose that their true dress and identity is obscured or purposely misdirected. So tell us what you have learned and we will add it to our files of one more person's research of what these 4 different peoples called the gypsy's look like to you. Sincerely, FHavas Dallas, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 12:53 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: Gypsies > > -Poster: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" > > > Hi, > > Hope wrote: > > There's a book called "Bury Me Standing Up" which is a cultural history of > > the Gypsies. They were thought to have migrated to Europe from India. > The > > book covers several centuries and locations, so for a specific place and > time > > there is only a little info. However, there *may* be a bibliography in it > to > > help you in your investigation. > > Thank you, Hope. Does this mean that out in H-Costume-land nobody knows > anything about how gyspies were dressed in the middle ages? > > Henk > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 16:29:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16019 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:29:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06812; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:44:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21374 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:43:27 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fargpop1.farg.uswest.net (fargpop1.farg.uswest.net [207.109.224.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA21369 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:43:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 3054 invoked by alias); 14 Nov 1999 22:43:23 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-h-costume@indra.com@fixme Received: (qmail 3047 invoked by uid 0); 14 Nov 1999 22:43:21 -0000 Received: from bdsl104.farg.uswest.net (HELO john) (209.181.216.104) by fargpop1.farg.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 1999 22:43:21 -0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991114164212.0098d100@rrnet.com> X-Sender: baird@rrnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:43:06 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "J,K,S&A Baird" Subject: H-COST: shawls Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" People looking for shawls--I've seen lots of these on eBay. Are they the wrong type? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=197037728 Kim _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 16:48:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16043 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:48:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08892; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:04:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23627 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:02:48 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hevanet.com (root@hevanet.com [198.5.254.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23612 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:02:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from wanda (st-ppp28.hevanet.com [198.5.254.88]) by hevanet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA06063 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:02:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Silk Flowers for Hair Ornaments at the Italian Courts1550 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:55:54 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <0.29ba78e6.25602278@aol.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Wanda Pease" Drat! I don't know if it is my server, or what, but it looks as though several of my posts have been cut off in about mid sentence. I'll try sending them again. The URL for the Medici Archive is medici.org/hum/topics/topicreports/CostumeandDress_1Page119.html with the usual beginning. I cut off the http and www because some of my friends cannot receive them when I simply cut and paste. Regina Eleonora de' Medici Duchessa di Mantova (1587) Location: Mantova From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 16:54:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16079 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:54:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09901; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:11:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24570 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:10:52 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA24561 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:10:50 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:10:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 8494 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1999 23:10:46 -0000 Received: from 40.64.3-8.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (HELO JOANJURA) (207.231.64.40) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 1999 23:10:46 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19991114151303.193fa5d0@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: shawls Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 04:43 PM 11/14/99 -0600, J,K,S&A Baird wrote: > >-Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" > >People looking for shawls--I've seen lots of these on eBay. Are they the >wrong type? > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=197037728 > >Kim I can testify to the loveliness of these Russian-made shawls. I have two of them ; one with a red ground and one with dark blue. I bought them for $65 (includes California sales tax) each (less my docent discount ) at the Sutter's Fort Trade Store in Sacramento, CA. If anyone is interested in one of these shawls, you can call the store at 916-442-4966 to find out which ones are available (it's a small store so they don't order these in large numbers; but special orders and mail order are available). If you are in the area, Sutter's Fort is at 2701 L Street, Sacramento, right off the Capital City Freeway. Come visit us at the Fort on Saturday, November 20, 10am-4pm, for Living History Day, when you walk into 1846. >From your friendly Sutter's Fort docent, Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 16:55:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16083 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:55:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10080; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:12:41 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24705 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:12:18 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.130]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24697 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:12:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from Porb (vandial40.lightspeed.bc.ca [204.244.233.40]) by ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA13106 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:59:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991114151353.007b0520@antir.com> X-Sender: i.wonder@antir.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:13:53 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kris Subject: Re: H-COST: The making of top hats In-Reply-To: <0.553aa947.25602016@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Kris >-Poster: MLaventure@aol.com thanks so much! I will definately take a closer look at my alteryears catalogue tonite. Kris _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 17:31:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16190 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:31:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13582; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:46:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28879 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:45:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hevanet.com (root@hevanet.com [198.5.254.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28869 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:45:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from wanda (st-ppp28.hevanet.com [198.5.254.88]) by hevanet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA14023 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:45:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Silk Flowers for Hair Ornaments at the Italian Courts1550-one more time Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:39:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Wanda Pease" I'm going to type this in myself instead of using the cut and paste option from the Medici Archives site: >From Eleonora de' Medici Duchess di Mantova (1587) Location: Mantova To: Cristina de' Medici Grand Duchess of Ferdinando I Location: Toscana Synopsis: Having learned that Grand Duchess Crinstin di Lorena used the silk flower hair ornaments that Duchess of Mantua Eleonora de' Medici sent her last year, Eleonora sends Cristina a new sample of silk flowers and offers to send more if they are to her liking. (second letter) Synopsis: Duchess of Mantua Eleonora de'Medici entrusts to Biagio Pignatta a specially-wripped box containing flowers (possibly made of silk) that are too fragile to send via regular courier, and asks him to ensure its safe delivery to Cardinal Francesco Sforza in Rome If anyone reads Italian and can translate all these synopses, it would be wonderful. The Italian is much more detailed than the English. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Wanda Pease > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 2:56 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: H-COST: Silk Flowers for Hair Ornaments at the Italian > Courts1550 > > > > -Poster: "Wanda Pease" > > Drat! I don't know if it is my server, or what, but it looks as though > several of my posts have been cut off in about mid sentence. I'll try > sending them again. The URL for the Medici Archive is > medici.org/hum/topics/topicreports/CostumeandDress_1Page119.html with the > usual beginning. > I cut off the http and www because some of my friends cannot receive them > when I simply cut and paste. > > Regina > > Eleonora de' Medici > Duchessa di Mantova (1587) > Location: Mantova > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 17:35:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16197 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:35:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14128; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:52:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29631 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:52:29 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29621 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:52:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19991114235226.17082.rocketmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.124.46.74] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:52:26 PST Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:52:26 -0800 (PST) From: Margretta de Vries Subject: Re: H-COST: The making of top hats To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Margretta de Vries Does anyone have a suggestion on museums (with costume exhibits?)) to visit in Munich, Nurnberg, or Stuttgart? I'll be in Germany in a week or so, and would love to look at what I can while I'm there! margretta ===== Margretta de Vries __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 17:35:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16201 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:35:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14134; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:52:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29659 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:52:37 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29652 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:52:36 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19991114235235.17101.rocketmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.124.46.74] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:52:35 PST Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:52:35 -0800 (PST) From: Margretta de Vries Subject: H-COST: museums To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Margretta de Vries Does anyone have a suggestion on museums (with costume exhibits?)) to visit in Munich, Nurnberg, or Stuttgart? I'll be in Germany in a week or so, and would love to look at what I can while I'm there! margretta ===== Margretta de Vries __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 17:47:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16211 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:47:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15321; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:03:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00849 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:02:23 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hevanet.com (root@hevanet.com [198.5.254.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00842 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:02:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from wanda (st-ppp28.hevanet.com [198.5.254.88]) by hevanet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA15866 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:02:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: museums Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:55:35 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <19991114235235.17101.rocketmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Wanda Pease" Go to the German History Museum in Nurnberg. If you can get someone to call in for you (or try it yourself, you have nothing to lose) ask for the curator of the costume section. When I was there, we managed to arrange to have him (it was a he at the time) take us into the basement where they keep the clothing that Janet Arnold used for her book. We were even allowed to handle the dresses (not the hats, they were in too fragile condition), and I got to wear the one man's cape after the curator took it off the special stand they have made for it! Even if you don't get to go into the Vaults, the art collection will keep you moving slowly for an entire day (at least!) Regina > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Margretta de Vries > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 3:53 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: H-COST: museums > > > > -Poster: Margretta de Vries > > Does anyone have a suggestion on museums (with costume exhibits?)) to > visit in Munich, Nurnberg, or Stuttgart? I'll be in Germany in a week > or so, and would love to look at what I can while I'm there! > > margretta > > > ===== > > Margretta de Vries > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 19:42:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16499 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:42:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26080; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:56:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13913 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:52:26 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13906 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:52:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (216-164-48-126.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com [216.164.48.126]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA21273 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:52:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <013201bf2f0c$7709b0a0$0200a8c0@pavilion> From: "Megan McHugh" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: inches Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:31:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Megan McHugh" >I have a researcher friend who works with metric all day in the lab, but can't >make her brain use metric when cooking. She thought it odd. I have the same problem. I use metric all day at work, for everything except height and weight. Have no idea how to cook in metric as all my measuring devices in the kitchen are american. I rather wish this country would get with it and finish switching. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 20:27:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16585 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:27:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02949; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:42:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19028 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:38:43 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19017 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:38:42 -0700 (MST) From: M311@aol.com Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.e6a52edf (4339) for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:38:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.e6a52edf.2560cc11@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:38:09 EST Subject: H-COST: inches & Anna and the King To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: M311@aol.com In a message dated 11/14/99 8:02:18 PM Central Standard Time, mmchugh@starpower.net writes: << I rather wish this country would get with it and finish switching. >> I don't I like inches. I find the metric confusing. I know it does the 10 thing but the other is what I am used to. I just saw a commerical for the remake of "Anna and the King" I plan on seeing it. Has anyone heard anything about it yet? Are the clothes suppose to be great? Kelly m311@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 21:01:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16663 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:01:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06643; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:15:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23214 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:13:46 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23199 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:13:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([63.17.252.195]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19991115031311.MIQU11272@worldnet.att.net> for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 03:13:11 +0000 Message-ID: <382F68F1.FD739F60@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:59:13 -0800 From: don and carolyn richardson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: affordable shawl - 1850's References: <199911130016.QAA03535@apollo.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: don and carolyn richardson Margo Anderson wrote: > >>>With the recent Pashmina craze bringing shawls back into current fashion, I > >>>have grown hopeful that some maker out there might be offering a synthetic > >>>version that would do well with Regency wear. > >> > >>I'm also hoping for this, preferably a large square that would do for > >>`1850's. > > > >Check in the Smithsonian catalog. They often have big square shawls kind > >of like this. > > > Yes, I just saw the Smithsonian catalof at my parent's house. The current > issue has a 54" square and an oblong, both under $100, as I recall. One word of warning about the Smithsonian shawls - I received the 54" square one for christmas last year (I'd asked for it) and was rather disappointed in it. They say in the catalog that it's 100% wool, but it's *very* thin - you can see right thru it. I live in So Cal and I wouldn't even try to wear it for warmth with a Regency even here. I think it was $60 in last year's catalog, but I don't consider it worth that amount of money. This is the wool shawl they have which is predominantly reds with a paisley pattern. Carolyn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 21:13:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16671 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:13:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09066; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:30:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25100 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:29:09 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25094 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:29:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991115032906.KPGB1594.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:29:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:33:44 -0800 Subject: Re: H-COST: inches From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991115032906.KPGB1594.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "R.L. Shep" What you don't understand is that metric measurements are a Communist Plot!!! You may laugh, but that is the basis of the right wing and the Replublican refusal to let us progress in that direction. Oh, if only cows could fly we would all be more covered in it than we are now. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com ---------- >From: "Megan McHugh" >To: >Subject: Re: H-COST: inches >Date: Sun, Nov 14, 1999, 5:31 PM > > >-Poster: "Megan McHugh" > > >>I have a researcher friend who works with metric all day in the lab, but >can't >>make her brain use metric when cooking. She thought it odd. > > > >I have the same problem. I use metric all day at work, for everything >except height and weight. Have no idea how to cook in metric as all my >measuring devices in the kitchen are american. I rather wish this country >would get with it and finish switching. > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 21:22:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16685 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:22:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10393; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:39:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26180 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:38:39 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from viper.columbus.rr.com (viper.columbus.rr.com [204.210.252.254]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26173 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:38:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from dsc.columbus.rr.com (dhcp26129131.columbus.rr.com [24.26.129.131]) by viper.columbus.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA18460 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:35:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00c601bf2f1b$225e6fa0$83811a18@dsc.columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: inches Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:40:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! >-Poster: "R.L. Shep" > >What you don't understand is that metric measurements are a Communist >Plot!!! You may laugh, but that is the basis of the right wing and the >Replublican refusal to let us progress in that direction. >Oh, if only cows could fly we would all be more covered in it than we are >now. You'd think that after that recent Mars Orbiter debacle (caused by the fact that some of the instructions were in metric and some in English) that they'd catch a clue. Most of the scientific world has been metric for years; heck, we even used metric in high school science. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 21:57:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16776 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:56:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14946; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:12:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29848 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:11:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.130]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29843 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:11:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from Porb (vandial67.lightspeed.bc.ca [204.244.233.67]) by ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA15209 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:58:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991114201238.007ad200@antir.com> X-Sender: i.wonder@antir.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:12:38 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kris Subject: Re: H-COST: inches In-Reply-To: <013201bf2f0c$7709b0a0$0200a8c0@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Kris >-Poster: "Megan McHugh" >I have the same problem. I use metric all day at work, for everything >except height and weight. Have no idea how to cook in metric as all my >measuring devices in the kitchen are american. I rather wish this country >would get with it and finish switching. We have both at home. I know that tupperware makes metric baking tools :] I've grown up using metric in the school system, and inches, pounds and metres at home. The only thing I have no concept of is a mile :] I've never timed myself walking one, I guess. The system I use for baking is "1 litre = 4 cups", and it works for almost everything. Kris _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 14 21:58:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16781 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:58:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15298; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:16:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00274 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:14:43 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00267 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:14:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.230.182] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11nDXI-0001Lz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:14:36 -0800 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:10:38 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: inches In-Reply-To: <00c601bf2f1b$225e6fa0$83811a18@dsc.columbus.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" I'm still unconverted. I use a double-sided rule, one metric, one English for everything. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 15 03:38:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21514 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 03:38:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA10659; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 02:53:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01061 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 02:51:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01055 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 02:51:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA23767.; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:56:52 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:49:33 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:49:24 +0000 From: "KATE M BUNTING" To: Subject: H-COST: Re: inches Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id CAA01057 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" Margo wrote "The English... have gone over to metric" Not entirely! All foodstuffs have to be sold by metric measures, but pubs still serve beer in pints. Many fabric shops have still been selling by the yard in recent times. We measure cooking ingredients by weight rather than volume as the Americans do, and most recipe books give figures for both grammes and ounces - and, yes, we still use miles! I was taught science in metric at school, but still think in feet and inches. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 15 07:49:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21857 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:49:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA25214; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:03:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17655 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:01:19 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17644 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:01:17 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.63d33f87 (4260) for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:00:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.63d33f87.25616c0b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:00:43 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: 1860's Mourning Attire To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 11/13/1999 5:40:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, Hhdunlap@aol.com writes: << I enjoyed seeing the picture in the paper today of two women in 1860's mourning attire at The Citidel, participating in a ceremony to rebury a number of Civil War dead who were unearthed during an archeological dig prior to a new stadium being built. (I (I hope I reported that accurately.) They wore black dresses and bonnets with black veils over all. Really made the heart skip a beat. >> Nearly every Southern mother, sister, wife lost someone during the Civil War and needed a black dress. Many, poor because of the war, dyed existing dresses [I've heard with Walnut husks] black. And then there's that black crepe veiling....anybody know where to get that today? I've never seen anything like it out there. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 15 08:19:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21886 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:19:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28122; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:35:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22177 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:34:13 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from burlma1-smrt1.gtei.net (burlma1-smrt1.gtei.net [4.2.35.10]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22168 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:34:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from apoppers3 (apoppers3.sys.gtei.net [4.2.36.132]) by burlma1-smrt1.gtei.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA06608 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:34:10 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991115093402.00978d10@POP.SYS.GTEI.NET> X-Sender: apoppers@POP.SYS.GTEI.NET X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:34:02 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Asia Poppers Subject: H-COST: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Asia Poppers Hi Kim, Thanks so much for posting this info! The shawls you mentioned on e-bay are almost exactly what I am looking for; the factory that makes them was founded in 1812! I was sort of hoping for something with a more paisleyish or generally Indian pattern, but that's just a picky detail. Others who are interested in shawls ofr Regency wear should check this auction out and also take a look at the seller's other auctions. I have no affiliation with the seller, nor have I ever bought anything from them. I just think their product is cool. Asia >-Poster: "J,K,S&A Baird" >People looking for shawls--I've seen lots of these on eBay. Are they the >wrong type? >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=197037728 >Kim _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 15 08:22:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21905 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:22:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28527; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:40:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA23103 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:39:47 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from burlma1-smrt1.gtei.net (burlma1-smrt1.gtei.net [4.2.35.10]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23089 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:39:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from apoppers3 (apoppers3.sys.gtei.net [4.2.36.132]) by burlma1-smrt1.gtei.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA07078 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:39:43 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991115093935.0096c1a0@POP.SYS.GTEI.NET> X-Sender: apoppers@POP.SYS.GTEI.NET X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:39:35 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Asia Poppers Subject: H-COST: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Asia Poppers Thanks for the heads-up, Carolyn. Depending on what one were looking for, the light weight might actually be a bonus; wedding-ring shawls having been the vogue in the 19th century and all. I will certainly keep in mind that the item I'm looking for might turn out to be far more useful for fashion than for warmth. Asia >One word of warning about the Smithsonian shawls - I received the 54" >square one for christmas last year (I'd asked for it) and was rather >disappointed in it. They say in the catalog that it's 100% wool, but >it's *very* thin - you can see right thru it. I live in So Cal and I >wouldn't even try to wear it for warmth with a Regency even here. I >think it was $60 in last year's catalog, but I don't consider it worth >that amount of money. This is the wool shawl they have which is >predominantly reds with a paisley pattern. >Carolyn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 15 08:45:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21921 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:45:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01388; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:03:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27264 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:02:45 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f193.hotmail.com [216.32.181.193]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA27252 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:02:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 29142 invoked by uid 0); 15 Nov 1999 15:02:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19991115150213.29141.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.217.169.60 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:02:13 PST X-Originating-IP: [199.217.169.60] From: "Alexandra Frazier" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Ell Measurement Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:02:13 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Alexandra Frazier" An ell is 45 inches. Kathy Pryor ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 15 14:06:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22380 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:06:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29227; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:21:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05328 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:19:21 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.19]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05312 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:19:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from sews080 by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: og3pool109-80.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.109.80]) id QQhpmf07476 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:23:50 GMT Message-Id: From: "Jessica Wilbur" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:19:23 -0500 Subject: Re: H-COST: questions in need of answers Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <199911120015.SAA22583@cdale3.midwest.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" I have another question: Does anyone know when cloisonne beads came into use, in Western Europe? Thanks! --Jessica > > -Poster: Lilinah biti-Anat > > I've seen Byzantine cloisonne and Carolingian cloisonne (probably > learned from Byzantine craftspeople). That puts the technique in > Europe around 800 CE or earlier. > > I'm not certain of the dates on the pieces i've seen. Some of what > i've seen is not jewelry for personal wear, however, they are > "jewels" on metal book covers, what a friend of mine calls book > shrines. > > I don't know where they learned it. They could have gotten it from > points east, although it's also possible they thought it up on their > own... > > I recently looked at two wonderful art books, one on Carolingian art > and the other on Byzantine art, so i suggest searching through art > books for examples and data. > > Lilinah > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 15 16:59:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22762 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:59:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01310; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:15:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24038 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:15:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23986 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:15:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from [208.225.99.166] (ppp166.creative.net [208.225.99.166]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12057 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:23:23 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lilinah@mail.grin.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911120015.SAA22583@cdale3.midwest.net> References: <199911120015.SAA22583@cdale3.midwest.net> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:22:36 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lilinah biti-Anat Subject: Re: H-COST: questions in need of answers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lilinah biti-Anat re: information on cloisonne enamels. Here is one resource i've located: Wessel, Klaus. _Byzantine Enamels from the 5th to the 13th century_, copyright 1967. 23 colour plates; 133 black & white. Part of a description: "A comprehensive selection of important pieces illustrates the development of the art of enamel..." i have not actually seen this book, just read some references to it, but it could be a start in one's research, since, as i recall, there were no specific resources mentioned in the thread. Lilinah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 15 19:27:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23039 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:27:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22747; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:44:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02781 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:44:15 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail-out2.apple.com (mail-out2.apple.com [17.254.0.51]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02770 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:44:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailgate2.apple.com ([17.129.100.225]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15963 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:44:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from scv1.apple.com (scv1.apple.com) by mailgate2.apple.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:44:04 -0800 Received: from [17.202.21.54] (decamp.apple.com [17.202.21.54]) by scv1.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA15802 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:44:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911160144.RAA15802@scv1.apple.com> Subject: H-COST: turning ivory silk tulle white Date: Mon, 15 Nov 99 17:43:50 -0800 x-sender: gdecamp@shell12.ba.best.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: "Gail K. DeCamp" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Gail K. DeCamp" Hi all, I have some ivory silk tulle (modern, not vintage) that I would like to bleach or otherwise turn white. Anybody know how I would do it? thanks in advance, Gail DeCamp Dogs come when you call them. Cats have answering machines. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 15 19:27:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23042 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:27:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22755; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:44:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02756 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:44:05 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02748 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:44:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from agnes (BayArea56k446.NetWiz.Net [208.164.208.46]) by netwiz.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA27476 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:43:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3830B6BC.5D48@netwiz.net> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:43:24 -0800 From: Susan Fatemi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Anna and the King References: <0.e6a52edf.2560cc11@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Susan Fatemi M311@aol.com wrote: > > I just saw a commerical for the remake of "Anna and the King" I plan on > seeing it. Has anyone heard anything about it yet? Are the clothes suppose > to be great? > Kelly There's a short article on it in the current Victoria magazine. The used about 15 kilometers of Thai silk! There was an article in Newsweek last August: http://members.tripod.com/abesapien/articles/anna_newsweek1.html Susan Fatemi -- Oh Noh! Kimonos! susanf@netwiz.net http://www.netwiz.net/~susanf _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 15 19:34:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23062 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:34:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23458; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:50:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03701 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:50:34 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03685 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:50:31 -0700 (MST) From: M311@aol.com Received: from M311@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.c401c45c (3975) for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:50:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.c401c45c.25621247@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:49:59 EST Subject: H-COST: beads To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: M311@aol.com I found these beads on ebay the otherday while searching. They say they are made of tobacco. Has anybody ever heard of this before? I haven't heard or seen anything like this. I was wondering if this is just weird or was this was a practice. It isn't something I want to buy but was more curious about. Unusual Tobacco Beads 14 Feet! Vintage? Item #196306730 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=196306730 Kelly m311@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 15 19:50:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23097 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:50:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25554; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:07:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06403 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:07:22 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06395 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:07:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from agnes (BayArea56k446.NetWiz.Net [208.164.208.46]) by netwiz.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA00607 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:07:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3830BC36.5339@netwiz.net> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:06:46 -0800 From: Susan Fatemi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: inches References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Susan Fatemi KATE M BUNTING wrote: > > Margo wrote > "The English... have gone over to metric" > > Not entirely! All foodstuffs have to be sold by metric measures, but pubs still serve beer in pints. Not only that, but their pints are way bigger than ours! Maybe that's why someone thought English and American inches were different! Susan F. -- Oh Noh! Kimonos! susanf@netwiz.net http://www.netwiz.net/~susanf _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 15 20:20:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23168 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:20:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28737; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10360 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:30:47 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from loki.intrepid.net (IDENT:root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10351 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:30:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from default (pm3frd1-68-102.intrepid.net [206.102.68.102]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA23651 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:30:44 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991115213551.0082b890@intrepid.net> X-Sender: sshatto@intrepid.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:35:51 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sue Shatto Subject: Re: H-COST: 1860's Mourning Attire In-Reply-To: <0.63d33f87.25616c0b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Sue Shatto There is no mourning crape being manufactured anymore. It emitted a toxic odor that caused respritory ailments and was actually ruining the eyesight of the wearer. I have several mourning veils. Smaller sizes sell for $35 and larger sell for $45. Cordially, Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com http://www.VictorianMillinery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 15 20:23:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23172 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:23:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28898; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:32:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10592 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:32:08 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from discordia.io.com (discordia.io.com [199.170.88.100]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10580 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:32:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from dragon (aus-as3-133.io.com [208.2.106.133]) by discordia.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15613 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:32:06 -0600 Message-Id: <199911160232.UAA15613@discordia.io.com> From: "Amanda Reeves" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: beads Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:35:53 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Amanda Reeves" It seems kinda odd, but beads have been made out of lots of stuff, especially in the South. What would vintage mean here? Amanda ---------- > Date: Monday, November 15, 1999 7:49 PM > > > -Poster: M311@aol.com > > I found these beads on ebay the otherday while searching. They say they are > made of tobacco. Has anybody ever heard of this before? I haven't heard or > seen anything like this. I was wondering if this is just weird or was this > was a practice. It isn't something I want to buy but was more curious about. > Unusual Tobacco Beads 14 Feet! Vintage? > Item #196306730 > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=196306730 > Kelly > m311@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 15 20:58:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23237 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:58:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04046; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:12:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17128 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:12:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17118 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:12:28 -0700 (MST) From: Hhdunlap@aol.com Received: from Hhdunlap@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.472cf48f (3892) for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:11:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.472cf48f.25622578@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:11:52 EST Subject: H-COST: Gypsies To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 29 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com The book is actually *Bury Me Standing,* by Isobel Fonseca, Vintage Books, New York, 1995, ISBN 0-679-40678-6, and fascinating. There is an extensive bibliography of cultual anthropolofy type books. The List might like: *History of the Kings of the Earth,* by the Persian chronicler Hamza al-Isfahani in the year 950, the first known reference to the Roma in print. *The Gypsies in the Byzantine Empire and The Balkans in the Late Middle Ages,* by G. C. Soulis in Dunbarton Oaks Papers 15 (1961), pages 143-65. I'm sure there is a lot to be gleaned from the extensive bibliography, but these two pop up immediately referring to SCA period. The Indian origin of the gypsies was first discovered by a Hungarian in 1753 who colllected 1000 words from peoples on the SouthWest coast of India, can home and discovered that the local Roma knew them all. There are words of Iranian and Armenian origin in the Roma language too. The diaspora of the gypsies was far-reaching, but some communities of Roma such as in Albania, remained completely cut off from the rest their people for some 600 years. In Albania, the Roma were Moslem, for instance. But nonetheless, Fonseca indicates they had more in common with other Roma in far off places than they did with the native Albanians. Nevertheless there had to be regional differences as the scores of books about gypsies in a certain country certainly attest. The photographs in Fonseca's book show the Roma over the last 150 years. The fabrics, prints, headcloths, wedding hats, decorations, necklaces of money, have obvious visual links to their Indian and Iranian origins. The few photos are a rich resource, but the index has no references to costume, dress, sewing, tailoring, and articles of dress, and there are no images of gypsies from previous times. Hope _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 15 21:23:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23268 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:23:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06957; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:37:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21129 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:37:16 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21124 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:37:14 -0700 (MST) From: Hhdunlap@aol.com Received: from Hhdunlap@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.1ddea380 (3892) for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:36:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.1ddea380.25622b3e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:36:30 EST Subject: H-COST: Gypsies To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 29 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com More on gypsies here: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5121/culture.htm Hope _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 15 21:36:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23298 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:36:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09215; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:53:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23881 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:52:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from loki.intrepid.net (IDENT:root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23872 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:52:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from default (pm3frd1-68-102.intrepid.net [206.102.68.102]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA09624 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:52:02 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991115225709.007b88c0@intrepid.net> X-Sender: sshatto@intrepid.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:57:09 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sue Shatto Subject: H-COST: Costume Institute Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Sue Shatto List, I was in New York last weekend and stumbled into this great exhibit at the MET. The curator had died the night before and the staff and docents were visibly shaken. http://costumeinstitute.org/ingres.htm The week before, I was in DC and saw the Annie Leibovitz show. I was really blown away! The catalog was $45 for soft bound and $75 for the hard bound, which was out of my league. But sitting there next to the catalogues was the November issue of Vogue which has just about all of the photographs from the show. it was an excellent way to spend $4. I wonder if there is a website for Vogue that will include pics? I'll check on it. Cordially, Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com http://www.VictorianMillinery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 15 21:38:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23302 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:38:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09486; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:54:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24261 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:54:53 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24247 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:54:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([63.28.166.34]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19991116035414.OCPB11011@worldnet.att.net> for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 03:54:14 +0000 Message-ID: <3830D5AE.ACFBEE88@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:55:26 -0800 From: don and carolyn richardson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: turning ivory silk tulle white References: <199911160144.RAA15802@scv1.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: don and carolyn richardson "Gail K. DeCamp" wrote: > > -Poster: "Gail K. DeCamp" > > Hi all, > > I have some ivory silk tulle (modern, not vintage) that I would like > to bleach or otherwise turn white. Anybody know how I would do it? For god's sake don't use chlorine bleach on it - it will turn yellow if it's 100% silk, or even has some silk content. I don't know how they make silk white - I think it's natural color is ivory. But you might test a small piece of it with something like Rit Color Remover, or Biz. Carolyn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 15 22:06:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23402 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:06:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11708; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:15:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27261 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:15:19 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA27255 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:15:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mamabear from [207.13.31.71] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.416) with smtp for sender: id ; Mon, 15 Nov 99 22:15:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <05dd01bf2fe7$2fd1e960$0200a8c0@mamabear.stormypetrel.com> From: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: turning ivory silk tulle white Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:00:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" Yes, silk's natural color is ivory. Rit Color remover will only take out any color added to the silk. So if the tulle is already ivory color it is probably the natural color and trying Rit Color remover will not turn it white. Carol Ross >For god's sake don't use chlorine bleach on it - it will turn yellow if >it's 100% silk, or even has some silk content. I don't know how they >make silk white - I think it's natural color is ivory. But you might >test a small piece of it with something like Rit Color Remover, or Biz. > >Carolyn > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 00:26:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23539 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 00:26:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25844; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:43:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16852 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:43:00 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from Herb-Lore.com (mail.herb-lore.com [209.141.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16846 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:42:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from Flohrschutz [207.204.223.221] by Herb-Lore.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id AAE53AA1012C; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:42:29 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01bf3006$207a82a0$dddfcccf@Flohrschutz> From: "Heather" To: References: <0.c401c45c.25621247@aol.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: beads Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:42:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Heather" > I found these beads on ebay the otherday while searching. They say they are > made of tobacco. Has anybody ever heard of this before? I haven't heard or > seen anything like this. I was wondering if this is just weird or was this > was a practice. It isn't something I want to buy but was more curious about. > Unusual Tobacco Beads 14 Feet! Vintage? I've made similar beads with rose petals (for a small bracelet). It probably wouldn't be too hard to make out of tabacco. I have no idea what anyone would do with 14 feet, though. Any ideas? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 00:32:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23545 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 00:32:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26215; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:50:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17480 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:50:05 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17465 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:50:02 -0700 (MST) From: DDunker@aol.com Received: from DDunker@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.ba0dc392 (4073) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 01:49:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.ba0dc392.25625874@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 01:49:24 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: beads To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: DDunker@aol.com How do you make beads from rose petals? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 04:43:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27218 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 04:43:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA11036; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 04:00:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06191 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 04:00:16 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA06174 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 04:00:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JIEHUL131C003K2T@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:00:01 GMT Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JIEHDPZMQQ0045A9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:27:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 16 Nov 99 10:25:14 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44) ; 16 Nov 99 10:24:57 GMT0BST Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.126) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 16 Nov 99 10:24:53 GMT0BST Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:24:52 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: H-COST: Metic vs. Imperial measures In-reply-to: <199911132147.OAA23089@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <98AD2B52311@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 > the English people have had the good sense to go over to the metric > system, leaving the US alone in our stubborness in maintaining this > ridiculous system. No no no! It's the Americans who have had the good sense to stick to *real* measurements instead of those fiddly little metric ones! > Have any of the list members who were raised with the Imperial > system managed to train themselves to think in metric when they > sew? I keep thinking I should, but haven't managed to do it yet. > One thing I did find handy, when I was in the bridal gown fitting > racket, was to take the bride's measurements in metri, so she > didn't argue with numbers she wasn't emotionally fixated on. I was raised and schooled in metric and *still* think and do everthing in inches. I find them so much easier to work in and I can actually visiualise how big something is if someone says, for example, "two feet" If I they said "60 cm." I'd have think ... "about 30 cm to a foot... that's two feet then" before I could visualise it ( and that's one of the *easier* conversions. Give me good old Imperial measurements any day. I'm a three barleycorns to and inch man and no mistake.... Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 05:55:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA27278 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 05:55:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15910; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 05:12:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12346 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 05:11:38 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.alltel.net (mail.alltel.net [166.102.165.30]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA12336 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 05:11:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from alltel.net (r-246.85.alltel.net [166.102.246.85]) by mail.alltel.net (8.9.3/ALLTEL Messaging Service) with ESMTP id GAA10668 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:11:32 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <38314987.C7A48846@alltel.net> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:09:43 -0500 From: "jmhr@alltel.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: begging, please, lining question? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "jmhr@alltel.net" I don't mean to sound persistent to the point of irritation, but can ANYone help with this question? Surely there are some on this list who have worked with museum collections or have studied this era and know something about these fabrics? Please? Here goes again: Can anyone tell me the period name for a material I often see as a lining in women's and children's dresses, from the 19thC? It looks like a coarse linen - or sometimes cotton - with a heavy glaze on it, often cracked with age, crackles almost like paper and the color varies from pale beige to a golden brown. I've seen references to book (or buk) muslin, glazed calico, brown holland, victoria lawn, etc. But what's what? Thank you!!! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 07:22:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27667 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:22:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA21752; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:39:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21612 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:39:23 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.70]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA21590 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:39:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from netspace.net.au.netspace.net.au (dialup-t1-242.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [210.15.250.242]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/NS) with ESMTP id AAA27684 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:39:11 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199911161339.AAA27684@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Metic vs. Imperial measures Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:31:41 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Christopher Ballis" > > the English people have had the good sense to go over to the metric > > system, leaving the US alone in our stubborness in maintaining this > > ridiculous system. > > No no no! It's the Americans who have had the good sense to > stick to *real* measurements instead of those fiddly little metric > ones! Actually, if my feeble brain for history serves me correctly, the US went metric in its road system many, many years ago but no one paid attention, including the people who make the roadsigns. For my money, in Australia that converted to metric during the 1960s and '70s, I am damned if I can figure out metric weights or measurements - makes it hell for the shop assistants in my favourite fabric stores. In short, they should have waited until all the old people died before introducing it, -C. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 07:43:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27678 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:43:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23798; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:00:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24205 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:00:38 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from entoo.connect.com.au (entoo.connect.com.au [192.189.54.8]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24189 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:00:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from mudbrick (acc10-ppp74.mel.enternet.com.au [210.8.9.202]) by entoo.connect.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BD0FDD1E8 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:59:34 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <000a01bf303c$93171e00$ca0908d2@mudbrick> From: "Kim & Ian Stanley-Eyles" To: Subject: H-COST: H-COST Cloth questions Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:10:47 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF3098.9471A020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Kim & Ian Stanley-Eyles" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF3098.9471A020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings all, I am making a costume from the period of Richard I. It has a wide round = collar and inset arm bands with a wide bodice, full skirt and full = sleeves. My questions are: 1. Is the bodice of a different material (colour, linen/wool/silk, etc) = to the sleeves and skirt? 2. According to the SCA publication "Survey of Period Fabrics and = Proper Fabric Selection" p5, it says antique satins are an acceptable = equivalent. Is this correct? 3. According to my copy of Calthorp's 1926 edition of "English Costume" = p56, it says that cloth-of-gold and cloth-of-silken-gold was available = at this time. Are gold threads and gold colours acceptable? I am looking at using an orange/gold antique satin for the bulk of the = dress and beaded collar and insets. Yours, Michaelin of the Artes Gentill (Kim Stanley-Eyles) ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF3098.9471A020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings all,
 
I am making a costume from the period = of Richard=20 I.  It has a wide round collar and inset arm bands with a wide = bodice, full=20 skirt and full sleeves.
 
My questions are:
 
1.  Is the bodice of a different = material=20 (colour, linen/wool/silk, etc) to the sleeves and skirt?
 
2.  According to the SCA = publication "Survey=20 of Period Fabrics and Proper Fabric Selection" p5, it says antique = satins are an=20 acceptable equivalent.  Is this correct?
 
3.  According to my copy of = Calthorp's 1926=20 edition of "English Costume" p56, it says that cloth-of-gold and=20 cloth-of-silken-gold was available at this time.  Are gold threads = and gold=20 colours acceptable?
 
I am looking at using an orange/gold = antique satin=20 for the bulk of the dress and  beaded collar and = insets.
 
Yours,
 
 
Michaelin of the Artes = Gentill
(Kim = Stanley-Eyles)
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF3098.9471A020-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 07:59:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27696 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:59:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA25419; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:17:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26711 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:17:11 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26704 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:17:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991116141707.SBKQ23916.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:17:07 -0800 Message-ID: <3831678A.DD99445D@home.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:17:46 -0600 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: begging, please, lining question? References: <38314987.C7A48846@alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Kat & Kent Well, I don't know about anyone else but I didn't answer because I don't know!! I do recall reading in the "Little House" books about Laura using muslin to line a basque but I'd have to go hunt the book down to make sure that that's what she said. Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 08:05:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27712 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:05:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA25995; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:22:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27626 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:22:46 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from na-ims.alcoa.com ([147.154.3.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27615 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:22:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by NA-IMS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:22:11 -0500 Message-ID: <0B3E3AA67456D311A9FC0000E889ED9847BF9E@na-dpw1.dpw.alcoa.com> From: "Fairchild, Connie E." To: "'h-costume-digest@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: Tobacco and Other Beads Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:13:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Fairchild, Connie E." Back in the early to mid-50's (when I was just a kid), I remember that there was a resurgence of making beads from rose petals. I believe this was done in Victorian times. They were mottled rose colored and brown and smelled like roses. In imitation of these beads/necklaces, there were also ones which were matte light pink in color, molded into little round beads with impressed rose petals, and appeared to be almost chalky. My Mother said these were "Sachet necklaces" and of course they smelled lightly of roses too. Of course in the '50s, beads were also being made from triangles of rolled up wallpaper strung together lengthwise for a necklace. I remember my Mother and her friends making matching handcrafted earrings and necklaces from tiny glass beads and sequins, and then there was the plastic "pop-it" bead rage. ; ) So I think it's entirely possible that beads could be made of tobacco, although I'd think they'd have to have varnish or shellac on them to prevent the brown tobacco stain from getting on your neck in hot humid weather -- or maybe they just wore them in winter! Connie -------------------------------------- Kelly wrote: > I found these beads on ebay the otherday while searching. They say they > are > made of tobacco. Has anybody ever heard of this before? I haven't heard > or > seen anything like this. I was wondering if this is just weird or was > this > was a practice. It isn't something I want to buy but was more curious > about. > Unusual Tobacco Beads 14 Feet! Vintage? > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 08:18:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27767 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:18:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27675; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:35:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29857 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:35:43 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29848 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:35:41 -0700 (MST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.dc664b1a (4243) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:35:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.dc664b1a.2562c595@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:35:01 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: begging, please, lining question? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cheryldee@aol.com Well, I don't know what the original stuff is called but if you're looking for a substitute, I always thought it looked like pocket lining, also called silesia and available at tailoring supply companies. Cheryl Odom _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 08:59:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27866 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:59:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02693; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:16:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07538 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:16:02 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1 ([204.86.241.250]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA07526 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail1 with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.00.28 AS-1409036) for at Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:08:02 -0800 Received: by HHSMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:18:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1D0F5BB98E98D311B17E0008C75D0B3A03EBEE@HHSMAIL> From: "Bergdahl, Stephen" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: begging, please, lining question? Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:18:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Bergdahl, Stephen" There were any number of fabrics used to line dresses. Plain white muslin, colored muslin, most anything that they could find. Now the fabric you are discribing has two theories about it. One that it is a cheap cotton with a white glue glaze. Or two that it is hemp with a glaze. It is my feeling that it is a hemp. While I know there are colored cottons, they com in as a light brown and have never been commonly grown. While hemp is naturally the right color. And I believe that hemp use to be very common. So I feel that your fabric is a glazed hemp. But the only way to be sure is to take a look at a strand under a microscope. Yours Stephen Bergdahl -----Original Message----- From: jmhr@alltel.net [mailto:jmhr@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 4:10 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: begging, please, lining question? -Poster: "jmhr@alltel.net" I don't mean to sound persistent to the point of irritation, but can ANYone help with this question? Surely there are some on this list who have worked with museum collections or have studied this era and know something about these fabrics? Please? Here goes again: Can anyone tell me the period name for a material I often see as a lining in women's and children's dresses, from the 19thC? It looks like a coarse linen - or sometimes cotton - with a heavy glaze on it, often cracked with age, crackles almost like paper and the color varies from pale beige to a golden brown. I've seen references to book (or buk) muslin, glazed calico, brown holland, victoria lawn, etc. But what's what? Thank you!!! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 09:53:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27951 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:53:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12037; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:10:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21847 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:10:15 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21828 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:10:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mediaone.net (h00105af53be2.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.162.250]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA23717 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:10:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <383181EB.FE9A687D@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:10:19 -0500 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re:tobacco beads References: <1D0F5BB98E98D311B17E0008C75D0B3A03EBEE@HHSMAIL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Janice Dallas I seem to remember reading somewhere that tobacco was used to repel insects from stored fabric. I suppose it didn't smell any worse than cedar, and a lot better than moth balls. That might account for the unusual length also. -- Janice Dallas JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 10:39:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28109 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:39:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19370; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:56:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04243 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:55:29 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from snowball.excite.com (snowball-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.116]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04233 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:55:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from cheeks.excite.com ([199.172.152.207]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991116165211.CZXY22679.fortune.excite.com@cheeks.excite.com> for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:52:11 -0800 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: beads Message-Id: <942771131.19722.595@excite.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:52:11 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "StitchWitch" > How do you make beads from rose petals? At last! A question I know the answer to! *Happy Dance* *ahem* I've found a lot of variation in different recipies, but here is a basic for making rose petal clay, from which you make rose petal beads. (I'm also available for panels to teach how to work with the stuff, if anyone is interested.) First, get a whole lotta rose petals. Fresh is best, but dried can work if you re-hydrate them. Grind up the petals in a blender, into a fine mush. Next, in an iron skillet (which conducts the heat properly, and adds a touch of color) put the mush and a bit of water in, and start to lightly simmer. Do not bring to a boil, as burnt petals just smell nasty. Cook this mush until it turns dark and the water is mostly cooked off. If the water cooks off before the right color is reached, add more, and KEEP STIRRING! When the mush is ready, scoop out of the skillet and allow it to cool. Then, take a morter and pestle (or whatever you can use to really grind with) and get ready to have the best work-out your arms have ever had. When the mush is ground into a workable clay, you can form beads from it. I usually go for the basic round bead, but you can use forms to press the clay into shapes if you like. String the formed beads (carefully, so as not to de-form them) onto a string or thin wire. Once strung, find a warm, dry area to hang them up and let them dry completely. Be sure and turn them once a day, so they won't stick to the string and crumble when you remove them. After three or four days, they should be ready to string into a necklace, or whatever you like. Once dry, the beads may be polished, for a more finished look, or left rough. If you want to add more rose scent to the beads, take some rose essential oil, and put it into the clay as you are making the beads. You may also add a small amount of oil to re-scent dried beads, but be careful not to add too much. The beads may start to crumble if you do. Also, store them well protected from small critters, as they are a tasty munch for anything that likes to nosh on organic matter. Please note, if you don't have time to do all this at once, you can, at any point, put the rose mush/clay into the freezer and start up again with it when you have time. I have lots more info, so please let me know if you'd like me to dig it out for y'all. Also, there are some good web pages on the subject, just a quick click from any of your favorite search engines. Kate ---- StitchWitch In our play we reveal what kind of people we are. - Ovid, c.e. 8 ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 10:44:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28115 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:44:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20248; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:00:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05622 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:00:31 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from curly.excite.com ([199.172.153.144]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05611 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:00:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from bronty.excite.com ([199.172.153.112]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991116165746.DROZ19682.kuku.excite.com@bronty.excite.com> for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:57:46 -0800 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: beads Message-Id: <942771466.1820.529@excite.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:57:46 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "StitchWitch" > I found these beads on ebay the otherday while searching. They say they are > made of tobacco. Has anybody ever heard of this before? I haven't heard or > seen anything like this. I was wondering if this is just weird or was this > was a practice. It isn't something I want to buy but was more curious about. > Unusual Tobacco Beads 14 Feet! Vintage? It is a very interesting thing. Someone suggested that it might have been used to repel insects. Maybe, but 14 feet worth? I'd be very interested to know how this was used. My own theory is that it was personal decoration of some sort, for persons who did not have access to fancier adornment. (But then, I think EVERYTHING should be used for personal adornment!:) Kate ---- StitchWitch In our play we reveal what kind of people we are. - Ovid, c.e. 8 ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 11:14:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28162 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:14:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25524; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:30:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13564 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:30:28 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail-out2.apple.com (mail-out2.apple.com [17.254.0.51]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13558 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:30:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailgate1.apple.com (A17-128-100-225.apple.com [17.128.100.225]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28378 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from scv2.apple.com (scv2.apple.com) by mailgate1.apple.com (mailgate1.apple.com- SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:30:20 -0800 Received: from [17.202.21.54] (decamp.apple.com [17.202.21.54]) by scv2.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11506 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:30:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911161730.JAA11506@scv2.apple.com> Subject: H-COST: turning ivory silk tulle white Date: Tue, 16 Nov 99 09:30:04 -0800 x-sender: gdecamp@shell12.ba.best.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: "Gail K. DeCamp" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Gail K. DeCamp" Hi, Carolyn and Carol, Thank you for the warning about chlorine bleach. I thought there might be something bad about bleach, but I wasn't sure. I think I'll cut a 1" slice off the bottom of it for swatches and test various substances (biz, bleach, Rit color remover) on it to see what they do. I may also try hanging a swatch in the sunlight. Any other suggestions of things I could try? Thanks! Gail DeCamp _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 11:26:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28172 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:26:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27749; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:43:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17181 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:42:54 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17173 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:42:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from mediaone.net (h00105af53be2.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.162.250]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA26037 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:42:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <383197A1.4CE0F42B@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:42:57 -0500 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: turning ivory silk tulle white References: <199911161730.JAA11506@scv2.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Janice Dallas I know hydrogen peroxide solution can be used to bleach wool, so perhaps it would work on silk. -- Janice Dallas JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 11:26:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28176 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:26:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27750; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:43:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17215 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:42:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bigred.unl.edu (00217146@bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17206 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:42:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA09414 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:47:53 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:47:52 -0600 (CST) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: beads In-Reply-To: <199911160232.UAA15613@discordia.io.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> > -Poster: "Amanda Reeves" > > It seems kinda odd, but beads have been made out of lots of stuff, > especially in the South. What would vintage mean here? I'm betting in this case, "vintage" means "I don't know how old it is, but it isn't new" Emma _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 11:36:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28216 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:36:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29254; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:51:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19746 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:51:35 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us [209.129.16.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19729; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:51:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us (ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us [10.1.100.1]) by intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA20581; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:49:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:53:25 -0800 Message-ID: From: Heidi Fox To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" , h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: RE: H-COST: turning ivory silk tulle white Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:53:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Heidi Fox Hello, You might also test a solution of lemon juice and water, or hydrogen peroxide? Heidi -----Original Message----- From: Gail K. DeCamp [mailto:gdecamp@best.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 9:30 AM To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: turning ivory silk tulle white -Poster: "Gail K. DeCamp" Hi, Carolyn and Carol, Thank you for the warning about chlorine bleach. I thought there might be something bad about bleach, but I wasn't sure. I think I'll cut a 1" slice off the bottom of it for swatches and test various substances (biz, bleach, Rit color remover) on it to see what they do. I may also try hanging a swatch in the sunlight. Any other suggestions of things I could try? Thanks! Gail DeCamp _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 11:38:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28229 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:38:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29621; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:53:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20254 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:53:17 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20244 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:53:16 -0700 (MST) From: M311@aol.com Received: from M311@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.ef50550f (3970) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:52:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.ef50550f.2562f3d4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:52:20 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Tobacco and Other Beads To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: M311@aol.com In a message dated 11/16/99 8:23:31 AM Central Standard Time, Connie.Fairchild@alcoa.com writes: << Of course in the '50s, beads were also being made from triangles of rolled up wallpaper strung together lengthwise for a necklace. >> I had forgotten this. I did these with my mom in the early 70's. Necklaces and braceletts. We strung them on corded elastic. My daughter likes to make necklaces. I guess I will have to tell her about this kind since I had forgotten. Kelly m311@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 11:52:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28249 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:52:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02390; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:08:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24768 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:08:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from luna.worldonline.nl (luna.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.131]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24747 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:08:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by luna.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA26558 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:08:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from henk (vp205-89.worldonline.nl [195.241.205.89]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA15530 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:08:06 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000801bf305d$5ba82060$59cdf1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <19991115150213.29141.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Ell Measurement Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:58:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" Wait a minute! Kathy wrote: > An ell is 45 inches. This is 1 m 12,5 cm (or with an American inch: 1 m 14,3 cm). I know for a fact that an ell is considerably less. During the later middle ages and until about 1800 this measure was used all over North Western Europe (except Britain which used yards!) to measure cloth of all kinds. Depending on where you were every city or region had it's own ell, of which a measuringstick was kept in an official building and to which all ell-sticks had to be measured. Depending on the region it was a length between 60 and 80 cm (24 - 32 inches) which is about the length of bent arm between wrist and shoulder (depending on your size, of course). 69-70 cm (27,6-28 inches) was the most common length of the ell (ca 80%). 90 cm or more is just too much, because the ell was really taken from a 'natural limb' and it wasn't the inside leg ;-). In the Netherlands, after Napoleon initiated the metric standard, the meter was often called an ell althoug it was a 100 cm, but before the end of the 19th c the meter was pretty much integrated in society. Only some cloth merchants still used the ell-stick until very recently. Now they all have 50 cm measuring sticks. You should also see it practically: a measuring stick more than a meter long for cloth is just to awkward to handle. Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 11:52:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28253 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:52:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02401; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:08:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24792 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:08:16 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24773 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:08:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28204 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:08:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from henk (vp205-89.worldonline.nl [195.241.205.89]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA15552 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:08:09 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000901bf305d$5d2104c0$59cdf1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <0.a520fa52.256041fe@aol.com> <004301bf2ed5$c1097f00$05e6f1c3@henk> <00a001bf2f4f$a9fc4f70$ac350418@C59303A> Subject: Re: H-COST: Gypsies Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:47:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" Hi, Fran wrote: > You have no idea how correct you are Henk. Everyone that I have conversed > with had a totally different view of what they looked like. On the SCA list > we have two individuals that have done a great deal of personal research on > these people and have come out with different answers. Could you bring me into contact with these people? I'm curious as to their sources. I personally know > someone from Macedonia and he tells me that it is on purpose that their true > dress and identity is obscured or purposely misdirected. Now why would they do that? They were a travelling people and as such very visible to the more settled burghers and peasants. I can imagine they would dress down to trade with the settlers, but they also had a reputation for being exotic and until relatively recent they dressed the part in Hungarian or Balkan outfits at fairs and other public events. So what's behind this statement? > > So tell us what you have learned and we will add it to our files of one more > person's research of what these 4 different peoples called the gypsy's look > like to you. > Up till now I have one late 15th c drawing of a couple with two kids, supposed to be gypsies. Apart from some details they look quite normal. I also have written reports about Egytians from 1407 and later in our country. That's all. Henk > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 11:52:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28257 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:52:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02601; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:09:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25085 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:09:06 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from na-ims.alcoa.com ([147.154.3.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25059 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:09:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by NA-IMS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:08:28 -0500 Message-ID: <0B3E3AA67456D311A9FC0000E889ED9847BFA0@na-dpw1.dpw.alcoa.com> From: "Fairchild, Connie E." To: "'h-costume-digest@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: Tobacco Beads Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:59:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Fairchild, Connie E." In regard to the 14 ft string of tobacco beads: Do you suppose this may be a garland for a Christmas tree? Connie Fairchild _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 11:57:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28265 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:57:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03704; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:14:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26672 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:14:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from deliverator.io.com (root@deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26659 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:14:21 -0700 (MST) From: ches@io.com Received: from fnord.io.com (IDENT:ches@fnord.io.com [199.170.88.12]) by deliverator.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31714 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:14:20 -0600 Received: from localhost (ches@localhost) by fnord.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA17082 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:14:20 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: fnord.io.com: ches owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:14:19 -0600 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Gypsies In-Reply-To: <000901bf305d$5d2104c0$59cdf1c3@henk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: ches@io.com I really do not know what is behind the statement that he gave me about obscuring their tribal indentity. We can speculat as he will not elaborate. He just tells me the history of how they came to be and the legend of why they split into these different groups or tribes. I will find the emails that I found before and send them to you privately when I get home tonight. Sincerely, F. Havas ches@io.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 12:18:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28328 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:18:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08111; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:35:33 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03663 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:35:21 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03654 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:35:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.139] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11nnRl-0007Xn-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:35:18 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991116040108.00ca0a90@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 04:15:26 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: H-COST: begging, please, lining question? In-Reply-To: <38314987.C7A48846@alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >Can anyone tell me the period name for a material I often see as a >lining in women's and children's dresses, from the 19thC? It looks like > >a coarse linen - or sometimes cotton - with a heavy glaze on it, often >cracked with age, crackles almost like paper and the color varies from >pale beige to a golden brown. I've seen references to book (or buk) >muslin, glazed calico, brown holland, victoria lawn, etc. But what's >what? A lot of different kinds of thin cloth were used as linings in the 19th century, some more common in one decade and some in others. A lot of things had different names depending on where they were made and who was doing the talking. Sizing, fillers, processing stuff, and even body oil often destroyed whatever cloth they were put on after a few decades. It is really difficult, by e-mail, to know exactly which kind of cloth you might have, or even what decade of dress you mean. We can only speculate. OTOH, you seem to have the actual lining in front of you. Read, research, ask people in your area who can see what you are seeing, look under a microscope, etc. Please don't get too upset if people on this list can't help you with a question like this which has so many possible answers - especially since there is no way for us to check our opinions against your lining without seeing it. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 12:18:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28332 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:18:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08110; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:35:33 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03669 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:35:22 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03664 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:35:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.139] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11nnRn-0007Xn-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:35:20 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991116041913.00cf3580@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 04:23:42 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: H-COST: Tobacco and Other Beads In-Reply-To: <0.ef50550f.2562f3d4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows ><< Of course in the '50s, beads were also being made from triangles of > rolled up wallpaper strung together lengthwise for a necklace. >> > >I had forgotten this. I did these with my mom in the early 70's. Necklaces >and braceletts. We strung them on corded elastic. My daughter likes to make >necklaces. I guess I will have to tell her about this kind since I had >forgotten. I recently saw a paper-bead-making jig for sale in some mail order catalog. It was a stand holding a wire with a crank at one end, so you could wind the paper around the wire. It was in some mail order catalog, and it cost way more than the plain old piece of coathanger wire I always used to use. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 12:21:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28341 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:21:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08918; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:38:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04710 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:38:26 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.lanset.com (mail.lanset.com [209.160.23.254]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04694 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:38:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail.lanset.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:43:54 -0800 Received: from lanset.com [209.160.23.162] by mail.lanset.com [209.160.23.254] (SLmail 3.2.3108) with ESMTP id 9EE5706A9C4E11D3B5900050041E9B70 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:43:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3831A4A5.92EA391@lanset.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:38:29 -0800 From: "ldemas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Gypsies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SLUIDL: 9F9AB391-9C4E11D3-B5900050-041E9B70 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "ldemas" I recently joined the list and have been following the Gypsy (Rom or Romani) postings. Several months ago, PBS, A&E, or the History Channel ran a one or two hour documentary on the "Rom" which I believe is their now preferred identification. There are many web sites devoted to the Rom. These sites may provide the information on their dress at various times and within different host cultures. Louis Demas ldemas@lanset.com ches@io.com wrote: > > -Poster: ches@io.com > > I really do not know what is behind the statement that he gave me about > obscuring their tribal indentity. We can speculat as he will not > elaborate. He just tells me the history of how they came to be and the > legend of why they split into these different groups or tribes. > > I will find the emails that I found before and send them to you privately > when I get home tonight. > > Sincerely, > F. Havas > ches@io.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 12:22:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28348 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:22:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09087; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:39:17 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04843 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:38:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04814 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:38:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14355 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:38:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from henk (vp234-135.worldonline.nl [195.241.234.135]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA24262 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:38:50 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <005401bf3061$a6be17e0$59cdf1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <000a01bf303c$93171e00$ca0908d2@mudbrick> Subject: Re: H-COST: H-COST Cloth questions Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:28:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01BF3068.BD8671A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01BF3068.BD8671A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Kim wrote: I am making a costume from the period of Richard I. It has a wide = round collar and inset arm bands with a wide bodice, full skirt and full = sleeves. Do you mean British 1190-ish? Nobility? My questions are: 1. Is the bodice of a different material (colour, linen/wool/silk, = etc) to the sleeves and skirt? No, you must see this as a long dress with long wide sleeves of one = colour. Where the sleeves are sewn to the body a broad band of cloth, = embroidered, worked with beads or gold and silver trinkets or made of = brocate/bliat/sendal covered the seem. Around the neck-opening a similar = band was sewn (what you call the collar) and if there was a front split = this was bordered by the same type of band. 2. According to the SCA publication "Survey of Period Fabrics and = Proper Fabric Selection" p5, it says antique satins are an acceptable = equivalent. Is this correct? Satin is a kind of silk woven in a special way. It was imported form = the east, but therefore very expensive, even to nobles. It could also = have come from spoils from the Crusades, which was considerably = cheaper.;-) 3. According to my copy of Calthorp's 1926 edition of "English = Costume" p56, it says that cloth-of-gold and cloth-of-silken-gold was = available at this time. Are gold threads and gold colours acceptable? Yes, especially for the bands. Cloth with gold threads woven into was = even more expensive than satin. It was mainly used for ceremonial robes = for kings and high nobility, or the vestments of bishops and even higher = church-officials. Bands made of this stuff were affordable to the richer = nobility. I am looking at using an orange/gold antique satin for the bulk of the = dress and beaded collar and insets. Sounds nice. Yours, Henk ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01BF3068.BD8671A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
Kim wrote:
I am making a costume from the period = of Richard=20 I.  It has a wide round collar and inset arm bands with a wide = bodice,=20 full skirt and full sleeves.
 
Do you mean British 1190-ish?=20 Nobility?
 
My questions are:
 
1.  Is the bodice of a different = material=20 (colour, linen/wool/silk, etc) to the sleeves and skirt?
 
No, you must see this as a long dress = with long=20 wide sleeves of one colour. Where the sleeves are sewn to the body a = broad=20 band of cloth, embroidered, worked with beads or gold and silver = trinkets or=20 made of brocate/bliat/sendal covered the seem. Around the neck-opening = a=20 similar band was sewn (what you call the collar) and if there was a = front=20 split this was bordered by the same type of band.
 
2.  According to the SCA = publication "Survey=20 of Period Fabrics and Proper Fabric Selection" p5, it says antique = satins are=20 an acceptable equivalent.  Is this correct?
 
Satin is a kind of silk woven in a = special way.=20 It was imported form the east, but therefore very expensive, even to = nobles.=20 It could also have come from spoils from the Crusades, which was=20 considerably cheaper.;-)
 
3.  According to my copy of = Calthorp's 1926=20 edition of "English Costume" p56, it says that cloth-of-gold and=20 cloth-of-silken-gold was available at this time.  Are gold = threads and=20 gold colours acceptable?
 
Yes, especially for the bands. Cloth = with gold=20 threads woven into was even more expensive than satin. It was mainly = used for=20 ceremonial robes for kings and high nobility, or the vestments of = bishops and=20 even higher church-officials. Bands made of this stuff were affordable = to the=20 richer nobility.
 
I am looking at using an orange/gold = antique=20 satin for the bulk of the dress and  beaded collar and=20 insets.
 
Sounds nice.
 
Yours,
 
Henk
------=_NextPart_000_004F_01BF3068.BD8671A0-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 12:23:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28352 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:23:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09323; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:40:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05338 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:40:23 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f169.hotmail.com [216.32.181.169]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA05314 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:40:20 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 31735 invoked by uid 0); 16 Nov 1999 18:39:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19991116183949.31734.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.217.169.60 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:39:49 PST X-Originating-IP: [199.217.169.60] From: "Alexandra Frazier" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Ell Measurement Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:39:49 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Alexandra Frazier" This is in American inches and taken from the current edition of the American Merriam-Webster Dictionary. They don't go into much detail, especially differentiating between an English, Spanish or whatever "ell". It would be interesting if someone on the list had an 18th century dictionary to see how an ell is defined. Kathy Pryor >> >-Poster: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" > >Wait a minute! Kathy wrote: > > An ell is 45 inches. >This is 1 m 12,5 cm (or with an American inch: 1 m 14,3 cm). I know for a >fact that an ell is considerably less. During the later middle ages and >until about 1800 this measure was used all over North Western Europe >(except >Britain which used yards!) to measure cloth of all kinds. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 12:32:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28362 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:32:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10772; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:48:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07576 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:48:18 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07559 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:48:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from kdp.tiac.net (kdp.tiac.net [206.119.75.41]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with SMTP id NAA18511 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:48:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19991115152031.366796c4@tiac.net> X-Sender: kdp@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:20:31 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kristin Page Subject: Re: H-COST: turning ivory silk tulle white In-Reply-To: <383197A1.4CE0F42B@mediaone.net> References: <199911161730.JAA11506@scv2.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Kristin Page The old Venetian method to bleach silk was to place the silk on a tenter frame and then burn sulfur under it. The method does work but it's not very practical for home use (I did it with a small piece under a hood in chemistry lab -- it STINKS!!) Good luck, Kristin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 12:36:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28370 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:36:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11724; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:53:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09021 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:53:01 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09011 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:52:59 -0700 (MST) From: AnnoraK@aol.com Received: from AnnoraK@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.37fa6cd5 (4339) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:52:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.37fa6cd5.256301e1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:52:17 EST Subject: H-COST: Copying existing garments? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AnnoraK@aol.com What is the easiest/best way to copy an existing vintage piece, short of taking the whole thing apart? I have a 1910-ish coat that I've decided to try to copy rather than wear. Other than a couple faded spots and some period repairs, it's in great shape and I'd rather not pick the whole thing apart (especially since I know I'll never get around to putting it back together). It's fairly simple, except for some interesting decorative pieces that are layered on the upper torso front and back. I've done some pattern drafting (SCA) and alterations of modern patterns to get what I want, but never flat-out copied an existing piece. I liked the details on this coat, and so in order to get what I want, I have to get them right. What do I do? Thanks! --Jen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 12:55:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28398 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:55:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14355; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:12:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14830 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:11:50 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from scl-viruswall.phoenix.com (scl-viruswall.phoenix.com [134.122.11.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA14824 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:11:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from 134.122.11.5 by scl-viruswall.phoenix.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:12:00 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:11:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1F176F2C2977D311B3300090270E637837A56B@scl-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: H-COST: Survey of Historical Textiles class at Stanford Univ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:11:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cynthia Barnes For those of you in the Silicon Valley area: Stanford Continuing Ed is offering a class in Textiles called "Warps, Wefts, and Whorls: A Structural Survey of Historical Textiles" (ART 80) http://continuingstudies.stanford.edu/teal/courses/art80.html I've taken many classes thru Stanford & love the University. I cannot recommend the program enough. That said, I've not taken this class, nor do I know the instructor. --cin Cynthia Barnes 408.570.1023 Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com Phoenix Technologies 411 E. Plumeria Dr. San Jose CA 95134 "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 13:28:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28469 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:28:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19205; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:45:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23061 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:45:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from apollo.directcon.net (IDENT:root@apollo.directcon.net [206.170.184.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23048 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p20.directcon.net [206.170.184.69]) by apollo.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA30564 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:43:26 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:43:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199911161943.LAA30564@apollo.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: turning ivory silk tulle white Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Margo Anderson At 12:42 PM 11/16/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >-Poster: Janice Dallas > >I know hydrogen peroxide solution can be used to bleach wool, so perhaps >it would work on silk. >-- It might. Or it might have the same effect that bleach does, and turn the silk bright yellow. I believe I've told the story before on this list, of the time this happened to me, and what I went through to fix the dress before the bride saw it, so I'll spare you all the bloody details. Just be sure you do a swatch before any procedure, every time, even if you've done it to that fabric before. Or you'll be sorry. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 13:51:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28519 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:51:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22336; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:08:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28511 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:07:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28502 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:07:57 -0700 (MST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.bff1e29 (4011) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:07:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.bff1e29.25631375@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:07:17 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: turning ivory silk tulle white To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com I'm not sure why you want to bleach your tulle. I bought some (very expensive!) silk illusion, and while the "white" was whiter than the ivory, it was still creamy--not bright white. Anything you use may also affect the hand of your tulle. It could very well lose all its crispness and go limp. Also, unless you are doing a very small piece, I would think you are going to have a very difficult time handling the fabric and might not be able to get an even result. So yes, be sure you test it first. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 14:00:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28537 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:00:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23479; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:16:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00841 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:16:29 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00825 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:16:27 -0700 (MST) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.bfd948fc (3893) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:15:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.bfd948fc.25631573@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:15:47 EST Subject: H-COST: re: richard 1 gown To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com All one color, definitely. Clothes were all one color for a very long time, and usually are to this day. I'm not certain about the satin question, but I would GUESS it should be shiny satin. Interested to hear the real answer . . . Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 14:46:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28789 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:46:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00278; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:57:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10740 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:56:18 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.32]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10700 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:56:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mai040RS1.lib.ohio-state.edu (mai040rs1.lib.ohio-state.edu [128.146.115.31]) by mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA19374 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:56:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991116160033.006a7870@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: mhamilto@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:00:33 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Marsha J. Hamilton" Subject: Re: H-COST: lining question? In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991116040108.00ca0a90@pop.slip.net> References: <38314987.C7A48846@alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Marsha J. Hamilton" I have seen exactly what you describe lining 19th c. dresses; more 1860's items than other decades (but that could be what I looked at!) Sorry I don't know what its called but it looked like a thin glazed cotton. I previously assumed whatever the glaze chemical was had caused it to go all brittle and possibly contributed to the darkness of the brown color. Good luck with your search. --------------------------- >>Can anyone tell me the period name for a material I often see as a >>lining in women's and children's dresses, from the 19thC? It looks like >>a coarse linen - or sometimes cotton - with a heavy glaze on it, often >>cracked with age, crackles almost like paper and the color varies from >>pale beige to a golden brown. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 15:02:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28820 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:02:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04315; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:18:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16455 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:17:39 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16442 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:17:38 -0700 (MST) From: seamstrix@juno.com Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id ERKWFCGJ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:10:08 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:08:46 -0600 Subject: Re: H-COST: H-COST Cloth questions Message-ID: <19991116.150900.-445519.0.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,13-14,21-22 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com Hello, While I freely admit that the 12th century is not my area of primary interest, I was under the impression that gowns did not have seperate bodices, as such, during this period. All the illustrations that I have seen indicate that gowns for men and women were cut with the bodice and skirts as one which would mean that the whole piece would be one kind of fabric. It's also my understanding that while the Crusades had brought back many new kinds of silk from the Middle East, cloth of gold would still have been ruinously expensive for any but the upper levels of royalty, and would certainly not have been used in average clothing. Another problem with the cloth of gold idea is that it is almost impossible to get these days and is still extremely expensive and lame just isn't the same. I'm also not sure where the collar is supposed to go? Other than around the neck, of course.:-) I don't recall seeing gowns of this period with collars. The only decoration which I am familar with for this time period is woven or embroidered bands at the edges of the garment. I'm not sure if glass beads would have been used in decoative trim, and if they were, they would be of a rather large size, not like the seed beads which we commonly use today. Karen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 15:10:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28834 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:10:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05589; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:27:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19090 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:26:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19067 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:26:54 -0700 (MST) From: MissMela@aol.com Received: from MissMela@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.2064bbe (4241) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:26:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.2064bbe.256325fb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:26:19 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: lining question? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MissMela@aol.com Many times Holland was used to line 19th and early 20th century bodices. Holland is a plain woven linen finished by a sizing of oil and starch which renders it opaque. Cambric, lining was also used. Cambric is a thin, narrow, stiff, glazed cotton fabric made from poorer yarns that underwear cambric. may be white or pieced-dyed. It is always sized and has a high polish on right side. Does not launder. Similar to paper cambric and comes in widths of 25 inches and 27 inches. Was also used for fancy dress costumes. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 15:23:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28865 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:23:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07348; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:40:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22539 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:40:10 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22520 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:40:08 -0700 (MST) From: M311@aol.com Received: from M311@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.654207d9 (3975) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:39:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.654207d9.2563290e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:39:26 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Tobacco Beads To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: M311@aol.com In a message dated 11/16/99 12:10:22 PM Central Standard Time, Connie.Fairchild@alcoa.com writes: << In regard to the 14 ft string of tobacco beads: Do you suppose this may be a garland for a Christmas tree? >> Would that be something people would do? It would be long enough and the ribbon was a reddish color. I just wonder if the smell is strong. I wonder if this came from someone who owned a tobacco plantation. Kelly _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 15:32:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28878 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:32:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08719; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:48:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24466 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:48:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mx20.rmci.net (halcyon.rmci.net [205.162.184.63]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA24429 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:48:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 30493 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1999 21:48:23 -0000 Received: from pag-di20.rica.net (HELO rica.net) (209.211.110.20) by halcyon.rmci.net with SMTP; 16 Nov 1999 21:48:23 -0000 Message-ID: <3831D011.897C7E54@rica.net> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:43:47 -0500 From: Jennie Chancey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Fabric available for "Titanic" Boarding Suits References: <199906120037.RAA19290@smtp.pacifier.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Jennie Chancey I received the message below from a gal who is trying to get a big order together in order to receive a lower price for a nice linen suiting appropriate for the "boarding" suit Rose wears in the opening scenes of "Titanic." Please respond directly to Tracie if you are interested. Thanks! Jennie ------------------ I finally found some pinstripe fabric that will work for the boarding suit. The only thing I can find wrong with it is it is 100% linen, which means wrinkles, but I was told that if I line the suit with taffeta the suit will hold its shape better and won't wrinkle as bad. I have available pictures of the sample that was sent to me with black pinstripes. The weave of the fabric seems loose but it is pretty tight and sturdy. I can also get it with navy stripes as well. If anyone is interested in ordering some, I am trying to get a better price than what has been quoted so far. Right now the price is based on a min order of 8 yards and is coming out to be about 18.00 per yard. My supplier told me that she could get the price down if I place a larger order, so I am having her price it on 20 yard and 40 yards orders to see what kind of break I can get. Anyone who may be interested can contact me at TArnold30@aol.com. -- Sense and Sensibility http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 15:36:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28882 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:36:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09465; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:53:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25776 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:53:06 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25747 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mercury.physics.adelaide.edu.au (mercury [129.127.36.44]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id IAA13706 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:22:57 +1030 (CST) Received: from localhost by mercury.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.65v4.0/1.1.19.2/16Nov99-0332PM) id AA32181; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:22:57 +1030 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:22:55 +1030 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: turning ivory silk tulle white In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.19991115152031.366796c4@tiac.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Kristin Page wrote: > > -Poster: Kristin Page > > The old Venetian method to bleach silk was to place the silk on a tenter > frame and then burn sulfur under it. The method does work but it's not > very practical for home use (I did it with a small piece under a hood in > chemistry lab -- it STINKS! Besides that of course, the fumes would be poisonous and contribute to acid rain. Definitely not something to try at home.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 15:42:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28891 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:42:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10298; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:59:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27286 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:58:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web605.yahoomail.com (web605.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.169]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA27264 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:58:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19991116215852.28840.rocketmail@ web605.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.161.4.112] by web605.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:58:52 PST Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:58:52 -0800 (PST) From: Valerie Robertson Subject: H-COST: Satin is not silk To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Valerie Robertson Sorry, Henk, but this is one of my personal hot buttons, so you get the lecture: Satin is a weave structure, a specific variety of broken twill with very long warp floats. Silk is a fiber. The two have nothing to do with each other except that it is possible to make satin from silk. It can also be made from wool, cotton, hemp, linen, polyester, acetate, and many other fibers. End of lecture. I feel much better now. --Val --- Henk 't Jong - tScapreel wrote: Satin is a kind of silk woven in a special way. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 15:50:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28917 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:50:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11635; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:07:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29933 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:07:24 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mx20.rmci.net (halcyon.rmci.net [205.162.184.63]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA29921 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:07:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 1600 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1999 22:07:20 -0000 Received: from pag-di20.rica.net (HELO rica.net) (209.211.110.20) by halcyon.rmci.net with SMTP; 16 Nov 1999 22:07:20 -0000 Message-ID: <3831D483.A632C76D@rica.net> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:02:44 -0500 From: Jennie Chancey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Copying existing garments? References: <0.37fa6cd5.256301e1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Jennie Chancey I just copied a circa 1908-1910 woman's walking jacket myself. I laid it out on the table, flattening it as best as possible and traced each section, adding a seam allowance as I went (and doublechecking the measurements of each piece with my measuring tape). I'll clean up my tracing later with the french curve and other drafting tools. The coat also had a fabulous braided trim design all over, and I traced that as well. Once I had the basic outline of the trim, I went back and "illustrated" it, looking at the original as I went along. That's the best way I know to copy without destroying the original. This was a princess-line walking jacket, so it was fairly easy to trace, but I've also done entire dresses with pleats or gathers -- just measuring the skirt at the hips and hem and measuring pleats where necessary. It doesn't take very long, and the cleaning-up process isn't difficult. :-) Just my two cents.... Jennie -- Sense and Sensibility http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 15:55:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28940 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:55:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12310; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:11:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00853 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:09:53 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bajor.ici.net (bajor.ici.net [207.180.0.58]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00832 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:09:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (d-gnaps-38.ici.net [207.180.12.45]) by bajor.ici.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA03623 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:10:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911162210.RAA03623@bajor.ici.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Copying existing garments? Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:09:47 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Irene leNoir To: "H-Costume" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id PAA00839 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Irene leNoir Jen asked: >What is the easiest/best way to copy an existing vintage piece, short of >taking the whole thing apart? I know that Threads magazine has published at least one (but I think two or more) articles on methods for taking a pattern off an intact garment. Unfortunately, their website is currently down, so I can't search for the issue numbers. Try visiting www.threadsmagazine.com and using their search feature to find the articles. Then see if your local library has those issues. Jessica Clark SCA: Irène leNoir irene@ici.net http://home.ici.net/~beowulf/jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 15:58:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28950 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:58:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12817; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:14:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02094 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:14:48 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bigred.unl.edu (00217146@bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02087 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:14:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA06007 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:19:41 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:19:40 -0600 (CST) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Copying existing garments? In-Reply-To: <3831D483.A632C76D@rica.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> I have a dress I'd like to duplicate as well. It is a very early rayon(??) bias cut dress that is falling apart. Some of the pieces seem to be square on the grain, some of them odd combinations of on grain and bias. Just laying it flat and tracing won't work well, because all the pieces hanging on the bias have stretched out of shape. Does anybody know of any tricks that might help? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 16:08:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29001 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:08:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14699; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:25:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05130 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:24:45 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from luna.worldonline.nl (luna.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.131]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05108 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:24:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by luna.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA23836 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:24:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from henk (vp230-253.worldonline.nl [195.241.230.253]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA04037 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:24:39 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002a01bf3081$3274e7e0$fde6f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <19991116215852.28840.rocketmail@ web605.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Satin is not silk Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:22:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" Val wrote: > Sorry, Henk, but this is one of my personal hot > buttons, so you get the lecture: > > Satin is a weave structure, a specific variety of > broken twill with very long warp floats. Silk is a > fiber. The two have nothing to do with each other > except that it is possible to make satin from silk. > It can also be made from wool, cotton, hemp, linen, > polyester, acetate, and many other fibers. I know all that, but I thought that in the 12th c it was only silk that was woven into satin. I looked it up though, and I seem to be wrong on both accounts. Satin wasn.'t imported into England until the last quarter of the 13th c and didn't appear in London deposits until the late 14th c. There was also satin-damask silk, also imported in the 14th c. So I guess satin is out for the late 12th c. Sorry, Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 16:20:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29023 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:20:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16503; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:36:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08371 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:36:44 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from snowball.excite.com (snowball-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.116]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08361 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:36:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from mystic.excite.com ([199.172.152.98]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991116223320.IBUU19682.kuku.excite.com@mystic.excite.com> for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:33:20 -0800 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Copying existing garments? Message-Id: <942791600.13971.673@excite.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:33:20 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "StitchWitch" > I have a dress I'd like to duplicate as well. It is a very early > rayon(??) bias cut dress that is falling apart. Some of the pieces seem to > be square on the grain, some of them odd combinations of on grain and > bias. Just laying it flat and tracing won't work well, because all the > pieces hanging on the bias have stretched out of shape. > > Does anybody know of any tricks that might help? There is a book, which I belive is still in print, about making patterns from finished garments. I have it at home, but WHERE at the moment is a darn good question. If you try a search on, say, Amazon.com, you may be able to find the information you need to hunt down ISBN and suchlike. Kate ---- StitchWitch In our play we reveal what kind of people we are. - Ovid, c.e. 8 ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 16:24:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29030 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:24:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17186; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:40:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09562 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:40:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail-out2.apple.com (mail-out2.apple.com [17.254.0.51]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09531 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:40:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailgate2.apple.com ([17.129.100.225]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06819 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from scv1.apple.com (scv1.apple.com) by mailgate2.apple.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:40:47 -0800 Received: from [17.202.21.54] (decamp.apple.com [17.202.21.54]) by scv1.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA04170 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:40:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911162240.OAA04170@scv1.apple.com> Subject: H-COST: making ivory tulle white Date: Tue, 16 Nov 99 14:40:32 -0800 x-sender: gdecamp@shell12.ba.best.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: "Gail K. DeCamp" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Gail K. DeCamp" This was, as you may all have suspected, my wedding veil. I specifically went for ivory, since it matched my dress perfectly. But. Now my sister would like to wear the same veil when she marries. The problem: Her dress is white, not ivory. We laid the dress and veil out against each other, and you could tell the difference. (It doesn't need to be _a lot_ lighter, just a little bit.) I offered to make her one, out of white tulle, but then it wouldn't be my veil. Whoops. Darn.) Gail DeCamp >I'm not sure why you want to bleach your tulle. I bought some (very >expensive!) silk illusion, and while the "white" was whiter than the ivory, >it was still creamy--not bright white. Anything you use may also affect the >hand of your tulle. It could very well lose all its crispness and go limp. >Also, unless you are doing a very small piece, I would think you are going >to >have a very difficult time handling the fabric and might not be able to get >an even result. So yes, be sure you test it first. > >Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 16:24:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29034 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:24:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17323; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:41:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09779 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:41:23 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bajor.ici.net (bajor.ici.net [207.180.0.58]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09766 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:41:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (d-gnaps-38.ici.net [207.180.12.45]) by bajor.ici.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA05081 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:41:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911162241.RAA05081@bajor.ici.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Copying existing garments? Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:41:18 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Irene leNoir To: "H-Costume" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id PAA09772 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Irene leNoir I Just wrote: >Unfortunately, their website is currently down, so I can't search for the >issue numbers. Well, the website just came up again. The articles are: Issue 21 page 66 A Dressmaker Extraordinaire Starting on page 69 the author begins to describe how she took patterns off existing garments. Issue 26 page 34 Copying the Clothes You Love Issue 39 page 40 Copying a Schiaparelli Emma asked: >Just laying it flat and tracing won't work well, because all the >pieces hanging on the bias have stretched out of shape. > >Does anybody know of any tricks that might help? The method described in issue 21 claims to correct distortion due to bias stretching. Jessica Clark SCA: Irène leNoir irene@ici.net http://home.ici.net/~beowulf/jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 16:25:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29038 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:25:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17703; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:42:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10207 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:42:46 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bigred.unl.edu (00217146@bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10195 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:42:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04410 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:47:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:47:39 -0600 (CST) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Copying existing garments? In-Reply-To: <942791600.13971.673@excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> > > I have a dress I'd like to duplicate as well. It is a very early > > rayon(??) bias cut dress that is falling apart. Some of the pieces seem > to > > be square on the grain, some of them odd combinations of on grain and > > bias. Just laying it flat and tracing won't work well, because all the > > pieces hanging on the bias have stretched out of shape. > > > > Does anybody know of any tricks that might help? > > There is a book, which I belive is still in print, about making patterns > from finished garments. I have it at home, but WHERE at the moment is a darn > good question. If you try a search on, say, Amazon.com, you may be able to > find the information you need to hunt down ISBN and suchlike. I do have a book that discribes a method which uses pins to mark the seams, and then pencils to do a rubbing on muslin over the pins. I'd rather not poke holes in the fabric. It is excruciatingly delicate. Emma _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 16:27:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29042 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:27:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18092; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:44:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10832 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:44:42 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10808 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:44:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from mediaone.net (h00105af53be2.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.162.250]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA21185 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:44:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3831DE59.E8EFEC55@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:44:41 -0500 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Copying existing garments? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Janice Dallas I've done this two ways. If something isn't very far off grain, and the grain is very obvious, pin your pattern copying material to one grain line centered across the piece, then another at right angles to it. Continuing out from these center lines, pinning along other grain lines until the piece "squares up". you may still have some rippling, but if it's only from stretching out you should come up with a reasonable pattern piece. On another dress, 1931 bias cut, I copied straight from the dress with paper, marking the changes in grain as they happened, then "trued" everything up so I had a pattern that was on the atraight grain. Bias sleeves that have hung up for long periods of time are the worst, as they elongate and twist severely. Sometimes you just have to make an educated guess. Oh yes, It's very hard to find the grain on a twill or fine weave unless you have some sort of magnifying glass or 'scope. -- Janice Dallas JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 16:35:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29048 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:35:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19122; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:52:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12858 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:52:19 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12848 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:52:17 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.ca09e490 (4597) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:51:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.ca09e490.256339f3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:51:31 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Satin is not silk To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 11/16/1999 5:26:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, scapreel@tip.nl writes: << Sorry, Henk >> Hey! Don't apologies. Because of this thread, we now all know the truth. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 16:39:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29062 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:39:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19522; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:56:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13840 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:56:16 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1 ([204.86.241.250]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13829 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:56:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail1 with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.00.28 AS-1409036) for at Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:46:55 -0800 Received: by HHSMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:57:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1D0F5BB98E98D311B17E0008C75D0B3A03EBF6@HHSMAIL> From: "Bergdahl, Stephen" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Copying existing garments? Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:57:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Bergdahl, Stephen" It has been my experience that the best way of copying an historical garment is to do a draping. Most of the lovely stuff I have copied over the years, has been no where near the right size or even the right proportions, waist too small, arms too narrow, and so on. What I do is use the original garment as a guild and drape a copy over a modern from. It can take some time, but I feel that the results are better in the long run. It is also a good way to practice draping until you start to do your own designs. Yours Stephen Bergdahl _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 16:47:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29079 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:47:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20340; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:03:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15505 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:03:20 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15494 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:03:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from best.com (lavolta.vip.best.com [206.86.95.234]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id PAA15365 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:01:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3831E30E.79735626@best.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:04:46 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Copying existing garments? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lavolta Press > > > There is a book, which I belive is still in print, about making patterns > > from finished garments. I have it at home, but WHERE at the moment is a darn > > good question. If you try a search on, say, Amazon.com, you may be able to > > find the information you need to hunt down ISBN and suchlike. > Our book _After a Fashion: How to Reproduce, Restore, and Wear Vintage Styles_ gives step-by-step illustrated instructions for copying vintage garments without taking them apart. Details are on our web site: Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.best.com/~lavolta/index.htm Allan Terry _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 16:48:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29084 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:48:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20505; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:04:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15782 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:04:34 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15767 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:04:32 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.b00d8a4 (4597) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:03:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.b00d8a4.25633cdd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:03:57 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Copying existing garments? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 11/16/1999 5:45:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, janicedals@mediaone.net writes: << Oh yes, It's very hard to find the grain on a twill or fine weave unless you have some sort of magnifying glass or 'scope. >> Yes. I have pinned muslin to a dress keeping the grain the same and marking the seams....a piece at a time. One advantage of this is say, there's a dart that's been snipped to press open; you can get the grain matching on one side, then scoot the muslin up 'til the grain matches on the other side of the dart and, Voila!, you know how deep the dart was before it was clipped. It gets difficult with the sleeves [as was mentioned]. If you have a dummy and a sleeve board, that helps. Then I take measurements all over the place & see that they match up. Then clean it up...as mentioned. And, also as mentioned, sometimes you have to guess. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 16:48:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29120 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:48:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20728; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:05:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16083 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:05:44 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16073 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:05:42 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.45cd8c6d (4597) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:05:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.45cd8c6d.25633d24@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:05:08 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Copying existing garments? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com Oh...I forgot... I was gonna say, if it's falling apart already....just take it apart and pattern it up. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 17:13:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29143 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:13:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24401; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:29:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22470 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:29:38 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from Herb-Lore.com (mail.herb-lore.com [209.141.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22454 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:29:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from Flohrschutz [207.204.223.221] by Herb-Lore.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A6D532BA012A; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:29:09 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01bf3092$bbb62c60$dddfcccf@Flohrschutz> From: "Heather" To: References: <942771131.19722.595@excite.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: beads Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:28:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Heather" > At last! A question I know the answer to! *Happy Dance* I'll have to try this way. It sounds a easier than the way I learned. Simmer rose petals in rose water for about 30 minutes. Just tear the petals up and throw them in the water. You'll need a lot; 2 cups does about enough for one bracelet. After 30 minutes, turn off the heat and let it soak for 24 hours. Repeat the simmering for 3-4 days, adding rose water as needed. One the last day, drain well and shape as Kate said. They shrink to about half the size, so you'll want to make them big. They smell nice and the kids like making them, but they are fairly ugly. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 17:56:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29219 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:56:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00254; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:10:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02265 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:09:10 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02244 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:09:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from tiptoe.excite.com ([199.172.153.108]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991117000520.INBH22679.fortune.excite.com@tiptoe.excite.com> for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:05:20 -0800 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: beads Message-Id: <942797120.6973.918@excite.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:05:20 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "StitchWitch" On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:28:25 -0800, Heather wrote: > > -Poster: "Heather" > > > At last! A question I know the answer to! *Happy Dance* > > I'll have to try this way. It sounds a easier than the way I learned. > > Simmer rose petals in rose water for about 30 minutes. Just tear the petals > up and throw them in the water. You'll need a lot; 2 cups does about enough > for one bracelet. After 30 minutes, turn off the heat and let it soak for 24 > hours. Repeat the simmering for 3-4 days, adding rose water as needed. One > the last day, drain well and shape as Kate said. They shrink to about half > the size, so you'll want to make them big. They smell nice and the kids like > making them, but they are fairly ugly. > I have seen recipies for the manner you describe. As far as I can tell, these are from Victorian times. According to the source I have, the manner of cooking anything vegative was to boil the heck out of it. Not necessarily the best (or only) way to do it, but it worked for them! Kate ---- StitchWitch In our play we reveal what kind of people we are. - Ovid, c.e. 8 ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 19:00:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29391 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:00:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07691; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:13:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14279 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:13:20 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from apollo.directcon.net (IDENT:root@apollo.directcon.net [206.170.184.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14262 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:13:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p41.directcon.net [206.170.184.90]) by apollo.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA05814 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:11:41 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:11:41 -0800 Message-Id: <199911170111.RAA05814@apollo.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: Garter collar replica Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Margo Anderson A few months ago, someone on the list was looking for replica Garter collars. I just ran across a source for Garter and Golden Fleece collars at http://www.signetring.com/Jewelry/Renaissance_Jewelry/garter_collar/garter_c ollar.html They aren't cheap, but they're gorgeous. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 20:01:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29484 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:01:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16279; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:18:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23969 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:18:06 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.alltel.net (mail.alltel.net [166.102.165.30]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23960 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:18:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from alltel.net (r-251.108.alltel.net [166.102.251.108]) by mail.alltel.net (8.9.3/ALLTEL Messaging Service) with ESMTP id UAA13567 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:18:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <38320FEB.41206DFC@alltel.net> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:16:11 -0500 From: "jmhr@alltel.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: lining answers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "jmhr@alltel.net" Many thanks to all who helped, on and off list, with information on the kinds of fabrics used in lining. I guess I've imagined that when a customer went shopping for dress material, she could count on finding several bolts of material that were commonly used for lining, same as in a fabric shop today. Or common ones a dressmaker might keep in stock. (I'm not considering remnants or scraps that were used.) And since I've seen very similar linings in gowns that were widely separate in years (1830-80s) and places of origin, I assumed that there were a few that were most popular. The names I mentioned are the ones I've seen most often in period fashion magazines or dressmaking guides, but I've felt so helpless not knowing how to match the names with surviving garments. I'm adding to my files the information you've so kindly helped me with. Thank you! Melissa _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 20:11:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29497 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:11:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17710; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:29:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25617 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:29:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25611 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:29:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from ricochet.net (mg131-110.ricochet.net [204.179.131.110]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04825 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:29:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <38321215.C2648C0@ricochet.net> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:25:25 -0800 From: Little Bird Organization: Mina Hummingbird X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Copying existing garments? References: <3831E30E.79735626@best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Little Bird May I de-lurk a moment? There is also a book out called _Making_Patterns_From_Finished_Clothes_, by Rusty Bensussen, published by Sterling Publishing Co, Inc, New York, ISBN 0-8069-5704-2. Thanks :) > -Poster: Lavolta Press > > > > > > There is a book, which I belive is still in print, about making patterns > > > from finished garments. I have it at home, but WHERE at the moment is a darn > > > good question. If you try a search on, say, Amazon.com, you may be able to > > > find the information you need to hunt down ISBN and suchlike. > > > > Our book _After a Fashion: How to Reproduce, Restore, and Wear Vintage Styles_ > gives step-by-step illustrated instructions for copying vintage garments without > taking them apart. Details are on our web site: > > Books on historic costume and vintage clothes > http://www.best.com/~lavolta/index.htm > > Allan Terry > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 20:37:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29525 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:37:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19896; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:55:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29124 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:54:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29115 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:54:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:54:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 18815 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1999 02:54:51 -0000 Received: from 156.240.3-3.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (HELO JOANJURA) (207.183.240.156) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 1999 02:54:51 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19991116185905.3b874e8c@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: begging, please, lining question? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 07:09 AM 11/16/99 -0500, jmhr@alltel.net wrote: > >-Poster: "jmhr@alltel.net" > >I don't mean to sound persistent to the point of irritation, but can >ANYone help with this question? Surely there are some on this list who >have worked with museum collections or have studied this era and know >something about these fabrics? Please? Here goes again: > >Can anyone tell me the period name for a material I often see as a >lining in women's and children's dresses, from the 19thC? It looks like > >a coarse linen - or sometimes cotton - with a heavy glaze on it, often >cracked with age, crackles almost like paper and the color varies from >pale beige to a golden brown. I've seen references to book (or buk) >muslin, glazed calico, brown holland, victoria lawn, etc. But what's >what? > >Thank you!!! One of the best (and my favorite) references to textile types that I have found is "Textiles in America: 1650-1870" by Florence M. Montgomery, published in 1984. ISBN 0-393-01703-6. Now out-of-print, but often available in good libraries or via ILL. The subtitle tells it all: "A dictionary based on original documents, prints and paintings, commercial records, American merchants' papers, shopkeepers' advertisements, and pattern books with original swatches of cloth." Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 20:49:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29532 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:49:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20914; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:07:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01046 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:07:03 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01040 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:07:02 -0700 (MST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.447c4493 (4013) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:06:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.447c4493.256375b2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:06:26 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Satin is not silk To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com Thanks, Val. I had to do that myself a few months ago. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 20:50:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29538 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:50:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21016; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01211 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:07:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from superman.imag.net (superman.imag.net [207.200.148.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01203 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:07:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from van1282 (van-port123.imag.net [204.244.111.123]) by superman.imag.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA25980 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:08:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000201bf30a9$217fe7a0$03000004@van1282> From: "The Rogue" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: inches Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:27:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "The Rogue" In grocery stores in Western Canada, they are going back to pounds and ounces. It's been going on for several years - the stores got tired of hearing "OK, that's nice, but what is the cost per pound?". Every sign I see in the meat, vegetable and deli departments has the cost in pounds in large print and kilograms in small print. Many fabric stores advertise their sales "per yard"! I grew up with my earliest years of school being all "metricised" and high schools trying their darnedest to see that we did everything in metric. Didn't really work. We have, at best, a hybrid system. But that's OK, because 17 yards of black cotton velvet has more meaning to me than 17 metres! Zelda -----Original Message----- From: Carol J. Bell Cannon To: h-costume@indra.com Date: November 14, 1999 8:25 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: inches > >-Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" > >I'm still unconverted. I use a double-sided rule, one metric, one English >for everything. Carol > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 20:52:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29542 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:52:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21208; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:09:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01400 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:09:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01393 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:09:13 -0700 (MST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.c1e51992 (4013) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:08:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.c1e51992.2563762e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:08:30 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: making ivory tulle white To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com I still think you're courting disaster. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 20:57:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29546 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:57:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21564; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:13:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02026 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:13:27 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02008 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:13:25 -0700 (MST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.c81a506 (4013) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:12:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.c81a506.2563772d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:12:45 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: making ivory tulle white To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com I just realized that reply was not very helpful. Could you, perhaps, put another layer of really white tulle either over, or in between, the existing tulle? This might make it appear white enough. I just think anything you try to whiten the veil, especially since it is already made up and would almost certainly need to be undone, would just not work and might ruin the whole thing. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 21:34:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29593 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:34:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25829; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:51:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08920 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:51:28 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from discordia.io.com (discordia.io.com [199.170.88.100]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08915 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:51:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from dragon (aus-as4-190.io.com [208.2.105.190]) by discordia.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01552 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:51:25 -0600 Message-Id: <199911170351.VAA01552@discordia.io.com> From: "Amanda Reeves" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: beads Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:55:13 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Amanda Reeves" From: Dogpatch USA Cookbook, Dogpatch Receipts, Superstitions of the Ozarks and Hill Country Remedies. "To make a string of rose beads place 1 3/4 cups flour, 4 tablespoons salt in a bowl and add water, a little at a time to make a smooth dough. Press 3 cups finely chopped rose petals into the dough. Flour a bread board and roll dough 1/4 inch thick. Cut with thimble. Roll each circle in palm of hand to form a smooth bead. String on wire (thin) and hang finished strands in dark place to dry. Move often to keep from sticking. Add a little food coloring if more color is desired. Moonbeam likes glitter beads of gold strung with her rose beads." Rose beads will make those who wear them healthy and lucky. Amanda ---------- > From: Heather > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: beads > Date: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 6:28 PM > > -Poster: "Heather" > > > At last! A question I know the answer to! *Happy Dance* > > I'll have to try this way. It sounds a easier than the way I learned. > > Simmer rose petals in rose water for about 30 minutes. Just tear the petals > up and throw them in the water. You'll need a lot; 2 cups does about enough > for one bracelet. After 30 minutes, turn off the heat and let it soak for 24 > hours. Repeat the simmering for 3-4 days, adding rose water as needed. One > the last day, drain well and shape as Kate said. They shrink to about half > the size, so you'll want to make them big. They smell nice and the kids like > making them, but they are fairly ugly. > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 21:37:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29597 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:37:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26067; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:54:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09386 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:54:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.wireweb.net (mail.wireweb.net [216.3.229.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09375 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:54:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail.wireweb.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:51:35 -0600 Received: by mail.wireweb.net from dragonlair (216.3.231.252::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V3.2); Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:51:35 -0600 Message-ID: <383227D5.6D22@wireweb.net> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:58:13 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: making ivory tulle white References: <0.c81a506.2563772d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SLUIDL: 07E79B24-9C6311D3-BB3F0040-33537EE5 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Alexandria Doyle" What about making it another color, like a pale blue, or such? That could be really pretty. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 21:50:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29623 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:50:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27660; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:07:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11718 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:07:52 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11711 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:07:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.230.147] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11nwNo-00058I-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:07:48 -0800 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:42:02 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Gypsies In-Reply-To: References: <000901bf305d$5d2104c0$59cdf1c3@henk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 12:14 PM 11/16/1999, wrote: I really do not know what is behind the statement that he gave me about obscuring their tribal indentity. Like most groups who were different, the gypsies were mistrusted and often mistreated, so they learned to disguise themselves when they went amongst other folk, saving when they went en masse and played to the audience in order to earn food, money/other necessities...according to the one gypsy I met who was willing to talk a little bit about his folk. -- Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 21:50:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29627 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:50:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27659; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:07:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11695 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:07:48 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11687 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:07:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.230.147] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11nwNi-00058I-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:07:43 -0800 Message-Id: <4.0.2.19991116181654.00df5100@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:18:14 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Tobacco and Other Beads In-Reply-To: <0B3E3AA67456D311A9FC0000E889ED9847BF9E@na-dpw1.dpw.alcoa.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" While I can't think of why beads, unless to chew...and I don't really want to think too much about that idea...my maternal grandma from Arkansas used to put tobacco--particularly cigars--in the bureau drawers to keep moths out. -- Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 22:56:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29727 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:56:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05385; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:12:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21479 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:12:19 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21472 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:12:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991117051216.JIKD1594.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:12:16 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:16:53 -0800 Subject: Re: H-COST: inches From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991117051216.JIKD1594.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "R.L. Shep" What I can't deal with is Celsius for temperature.... there is too big a gap between 20 degrees C and 21 degrees C for my tiny mind to make sense of! ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com ---------- >From: "The Rogue" >To: >Subject: Re: H-COST: inches >Date: Sun, Nov 14, 1999, 9:27 PM > > >-Poster: "The Rogue" > >In grocery stores in Western Canada, they are going back to pounds and >ounces. It's been going on for several years - the stores got tired of >hearing "OK, that's nice, but what is the cost per pound?". Every sign I >see in the meat, vegetable and deli departments has the cost in pounds in >large print and kilograms in small print. Many fabric stores advertise >their sales "per yard"! > >I grew up with my earliest years of school being all "metricised" and high >schools trying their darnedest to see that we did everything in metric. >Didn't really work. We have, at best, a hybrid system. > >But that's OK, because 17 yards of black cotton velvet has more meaning to >me than 17 metres! > >Zelda >-----Original Message----- >From: Carol J. Bell Cannon >To: h-costume@indra.com >Date: November 14, 1999 8:25 PM >Subject: Re: H-COST: inches > > >> >>-Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" >> >>I'm still unconverted. I use a double-sided rule, one metric, one English >>for everything. Carol >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 23:02:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29752 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:02:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05871; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:19:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22440 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:19:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.radiks.net (mail.radiks.net [205.138.126.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22428 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:19:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from dialup (56K-lnk-43.radiks.net [206.29.243.45]) by mail.radiks.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA04424 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:17:05 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991116231648.03d44eb0@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:16:48 -0600 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Subject: H-COST: Re: Copying garments In-Reply-To: <199911170113.SAA14331@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger The other book I was thinking of is: Patterns from Finished Clothes Don't remember the author right off, but IIRC it's a skinny paperback. It deals more with modern clothes. Sandy >> > There is a book, which I belive is still in print, about making patterns >> > from finished garments. I have it at home, but WHERE at the moment is a darn >> > good question. If you try a search on, say, Amazon.com, you may be able to >> > find the information you need to hunt down ISBN and suchlike. >> > >Our book _After a Fashion: How to Reproduce, Restore, and Wear Vintage Styles_ >gives step-by-step illustrated instructions for copying vintage garments without >taking them apart. Details are on our web site: > >Books on historic costume and vintage clothes >http://www.best.com/~lavolta/index.htm > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 16 23:22:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29818 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:22:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07545; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:39:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24993 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:39:38 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA24987 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:39:36 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:39:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 5711 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1999 05:39:25 -0000 Received: from 156.240.3-3.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (HELO JOANJURA) (207.183.240.156) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 1999 05:39:25 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19991116214338.3b3fdc22@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: H-COST: Silk noil fabric Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Joan M Jurancich Several times in the past two years or so, the question of the use of silk noil fabrics (modern name: raw silk) has come up. I found the following reference in "Textiles in America: 1650-1870" on page 175: "BOURETTE "Silk dress and furnishing material in plain weave waith a rough, knotty surface. The weft yarns were made from coarse outer fibers of cocoons which were carded and spun rather than reeled. A swatch of _Bourette filoselle et Fil_, waste silk and linen, is in the Richelieu Papers (see Pl. D-89)." The caption on Pl. D-89 (which is in color) says that the bourette is on a page dated 1736; the title of the page is "Etosses d' Avignon". The sample is striped in two shades of red, green, white, bright yellow gold, and brown(?). The center stripe looks like a warp-painted ikat with white ground and brown pattern. The Richelieu Papers are in the Bibliotheque Nationale. Has anyone found any other references to this type of fabric? As always, trying to learn more, Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 01:32:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29921 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:32:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14295; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:49:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09725 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:49:06 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09717 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:49:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12556 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:49:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-55.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.55]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21817 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:49:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004f01bf30d2$49c86b00$bd0bfea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: References: <0.654207d9.2563290e@aol.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Tobacco Beads Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:03:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" > In a message dated 11/16/99 12:10:22 PM Central Standard Time, > Connie.Fairchild@alcoa.com writes: > > << > In regard to the 14 ft string of tobacco beads: Do you suppose this may be > a garland for a Christmas tree? >> > > Would that be something people would do? It would be long enough and the > ribbon was a reddish color. I just wonder if the smell is strong. I wonder > if this came from someone who owned a tobacco plantation. > Kelly Eeewww! The heat from the candles or lights would set it off. Yuck! Or, it just might burn... Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 04:46:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01255 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:46:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA22070; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:04:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23559 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:04:02 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA23553 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:03:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JIFWWMUZV4003OYR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:03:49 GMT Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JIFWVJMN16004KGT@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:01:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 17 Nov 99 10:59:28 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44) ; 17 Nov 99 10:59:19 GMT0BST Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.126) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 17 Nov 99 10:59:12 GMT0BST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:59:12 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: H-COST: Copying existing garments? In-reply-to: <199911162209.PAA00870@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <9A3661322AB@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 > What is the easiest/best way to copy an existing vintage piece, short > of taking the whole thing apart? I have a book that explains several (I think) methods of doing this. It's called "Making patterns from your favourite clothes" I'm afraid that I can't supply any other details as my books are all in storage until the new sewing room is built (possibly by Easter, *if* I'm lucky) and we have enough space to turn the existing sewing room into a library. Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 06:13:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01341 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:13:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA27298; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 05:31:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01398 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 05:30:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA01393 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 05:30:28 -0700 (MST) From: Mayfair13a@aol.com Received: from Mayfair13a@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.f7286c88 (4183) for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:29:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.f7286c88.2563f9bf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:29:51 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Copying existing garments? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Mayfair13a@aol.com Hi, This is a trick I learned from a friend. I have a beautiful 1920s gown out of black silk velvet. By some chance it fits me like it was made for me. It is a fairly delicate garment & great care needs to be taken when wearing it. I wanted one exactly like it out of a heavy silk so my friend helped me using this method. Supplies: Tissue Paper Silk dress pins butcher paper tracing wheel comforter or big towel Okay, lay out your comforter or towel. Make sure it is nice & flat. Next lay out your tissue paper. You want it to be large enough to fit under the entire piece you are copying. Secure it to the towel or blanket. Place the gown upon the tissue paper. Using a superfine silk pin, poke through to the tissue following the pattern piece. When you are done, place the tissue on butcher paper (or whatever you pattern out on} & copy using the tracing wheel to follow the fine pin marks. You may want to use colored tissue paper so that the white of the pattern paper shines through. It makes it easier on the eyes. I would do a test on the hem or some other discreet place on the garment to make sure it is hardy enough for the silk pin. If you are copying a garment made of silk chiffon or silk gauze, I would be super cautious. Hope this helps Pasha _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 08:33:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01492 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:33:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07697; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:50:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19662 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:50:15 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19652 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:50:13 -0700 (MST) From: Hhdunlap@aol.com Received: from Hhdunlap@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.a7902644 (2701) for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:49:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.a7902644.25641a82@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:49:38 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Gypsies To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com Isobel Fonseca emphasizes the differences between gypsies in different countries. This likely explains why two people who have carefully researched gypsy dress come up with different answers. She says that the most overwhelming characteristic they share is the tendency to obscure their origins, not to admit where they were yesterday, to remember only what the oldest member of their group can recall. There is no epic oral tradition. She says it is the definitive thing about being a gypsy. Definitely a protective mechanism, but there may be more to it than that. Hope _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 08:53:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01519 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:53:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09503; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:10:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23564 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:10:13 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bigred.unl.edu (00217146@bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23530 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:10:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA30886 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:15:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:15:03 -0600 (CST) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Copying existing garments? In-Reply-To: <0.45cd8c6d.25633d24@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> > -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > > Oh...I forgot... > I was gonna say, if it's falling apart already....just take it apart and > pattern it up. Well, "falling apart" was a bad choice of words. It is tearing severely around the neckline, where the fabric is too fragile to bear the weight of the dress. Most of the rest of the dress is in good condition, and the preservationist in me won't let me take it apart. emma _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 09:12:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01543 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:12:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11398; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:29:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27788 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:29:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27767 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:29:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.249.181.19] (pool181-19.patriot.net [209.249.181.19] (may be forged)) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA29778 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:29:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199911171529.KAA29778@jefferson.patriot.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Copying existing garments? Date: Wed, 17 Nov 99 10:30:58 -0500 x-sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: >> -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com >> Oh...I forgot... >> I was gonna say, if it's falling apart already....just take it apart and >> pattern it up. >-Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> >Most of the rest of the dress is in good condition, and the >preservationist in me won't let me take it apart. I also agree that taking a vintage dress apart is not the best approach. There may be construction details that could not be determined after the dress is taken apart. Is there any hand stitching? What type of stitch is used? If the dress is not particularly rare, another example may be available (perhaps already in one's own closet!) to see these details. When copying a garment, I hope these things are considered before taking it apart! Several of the techniques mentioned on the list for copying garments sound great! Here's a question, though - something that is bias cut will have stretched along the bias already. The pieces will appear to be longer and narrower than the dress was originally cut. Other things are made of woodgy fabric - something that drapes nicely but is not tightly woven so the yarns in the fabric move. The sections can move around so that it's hard to tell if a line is straight or a curve. Any suggestions with handling these problems? -Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 09:13:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01547 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:13:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11741; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:30:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28033 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:30:24 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28025 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:30:22 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.aebb2fad (4599) for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:29:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.aebb2fad.256423eb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:29:47 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Copying existing garments? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 11/17/1999 10:13:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, 00217146@bigred.unl.edu writes: << Well, "falling apart" was a bad choice of words. It is tearing severely around the neckline, where the fabric is too fragile to bear the weight of the dress. Most of the rest of the dress is in good condition, and the preservationist in me won't let me take it apart. >> My roommate was like this. I say to you what I use to say to him: "When you get around to reweaving the neckline....let me know." I understand of course. He use to collect vintage and had a box full of 20s gowns that were now only shredded pieces of silk chiffon incredibly beaded in the most fantastic deco patterns. So very beautiful.... and so very unwearable or unsavable. Still, we'd take 'em out and just look at them sometimes. I wanted to make "art" out of them....glue the beaded scraps flat to a board [many were unrecognizable as having been dresses] in a pleasing arrangement and hang it on the wall. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 09:41:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01558 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:41:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14647; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:57:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04860 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:57:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04848 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:57:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21484 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:57:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19251 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:57:49 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:57:49 -0500 (EST) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Where to buy silk stockings? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: aleed Dear list, I know this question was asked and answered some time ago on here, but can anyone refresh my memory--is there a place where one can buy silk stockings through mailorder, preferably the sheer "pantyhose" weight stockings? Thanks, Drea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 11:12:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01786 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:12:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27460; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:28:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28905 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:28:27 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28897 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:28:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [208.225.99.219] (ppp219.creative.net [208.225.99.219]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02745 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:36:36 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lilinah@mail.grin.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911120015.SAA22583@cdale3.midwest.net> References: <199911120015.SAA22583@cdale3.midwest.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:35:48 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lilinah biti-Anat Subject: Re: H-COST: questions in need of answers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lilinah biti-Anat >-Poster: "Mary-Gayle Jany" > > Please advise me of reliable sources that are currently available >(ILL, Internet, museums, etc.) in English that can answer the following >questions: I don't know how much cloisonne is in this book, but a friend who is an excellent scholar recommends this title for early enamels: Enamels of Limoges: 1100-1350 Metropolitan Museum of Art, John P. O'Neill Editor in Chief. published by Harry N. Abrams, New York, 1996. ISBN #0-87099-759-9 (paperback) Lilinah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 11:27:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01809 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:27:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29685; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:43:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03200 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:43:47 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03186 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:43:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991117174344.OMTS1594.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:43:44 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:48:15 -0800 Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk noil fabric From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991117174344.OMTS1594.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "R.L. Shep" Noil is a specail type of silk - not necesarily *raw silk* at all. Noil sik is made from short lengths that have been spun. You can make it from wild silk - as the do in Orissa, India - or from China silk , or whatever. Noil Silk *blankets* are the rage in Europe these days. I got one when I was in Orissa last winter. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com ---------- >From: Joan M Jurancich >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: H-COST: Silk noil fabric >Date: Tue, Nov 16, 1999, 9:39 PM > > >-Poster: Joan M Jurancich > >Several times in the past two years or so, the question of the use of silk >noil fabrics (modern name: raw silk) has come up. I found the following >reference in "Textiles in America: 1650-1870" on page 175: > >"BOURETTE > >"Silk dress and furnishing material in plain weave waith a rough, knotty >surface. The weft yarns were made from coarse outer fibers of cocoons which >were carded and spun rather than reeled. A swatch of _Bourette filoselle et >Fil_, waste silk and linen, is in the Richelieu Papers (see Pl. D-89)." > >The caption on Pl. D-89 (which is in color) says that the bourette is on a >page dated 1736; the title of the page is "Etosses d' Avignon". The sample >is striped in two shades of red, green, white, bright yellow gold, and >brown(?). The center stripe looks like a warp-painted ikat with white ground >and brown pattern. The Richelieu Papers are in the Bibliotheque Nationale. > >Has anyone found any other references to this type of fabric? > >As always, trying to learn more, > >Joan Jurancich >Sacramento, CA >joanj@quiknet.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 11:33:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01818 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:33:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00876; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:50:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05093 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:50:44 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vega.utulsa.edu (vega.utulsa.edu [129.244.1.81]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05086 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:50:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from utulsa.edu (Rppp2-4.net.utulsa.edu) by vega.utulsa.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with ESMTP id <0FLC00A85S8BAT@vega.utulsa.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:50:37 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:49:01 -0600 From: Marc Carlson Subject: Re: H-COST: inches To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3833934D.A8B7603E@utulsa.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199911150415.VAA00312@net.indra.com> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Marc Carlson Having spent the better part of a week looking at archaeological debris with a gentleman who refused to use metric for anything, and I *prefer* using metric for tiny measurements, I can easily understand the Mars orbiter problem :) Since Metric predates Communists by some years, I can't rightly see how it's a Communist plot though... Here I thought it was an attempt to resolve all the different French units at the time of the Revolution into one single coherent and consistant whole (Trade is trickier when different regions have utterly different standards for the "same" weights and measures). Marc _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 11:41:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01841 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:41:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01799; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:58:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06961 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:58:20 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from relay4.hawaii.edu (relay4.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.12]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA06949 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:58:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from uhunix1.its.hawaii.edu ([128.171.44.6]) by relay4.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <373673(10)>; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:58:14 -1000 Received: from localhost by uhunix1.its.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <135685(8)>; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:57:44 -1000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:57:42 -1000 From: X-Sender: lisaleon@uhunix1 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Copying garments In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19991116231648.03d44eb0@radiks.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: > The other book I was thinking of is: > Patterns from Finished Clothes > Don't remember the author right off, but IIRC it's a skinny paperback. It > deals more with modern clothes. Could this be the one? I saw it in the latest Hamilton Book catalog. PATTERNS FROM FINISHED CLOTHES: Re-Creating the Clothes You Love. By Tracy Doyle. Current Item #56673X Pub at $14.95 - Our Price $10.46 _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 13:06:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01982 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:06:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13759; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29421 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:22:18 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29413 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:22:17 -0700 (MST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.8d51f0f5 (3852) for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:21:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.8d51f0f5.25645a48@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:21:44 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Where to buy silk stockings? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com The only place I have been able to find lately is WinterSilks, and they are not sheer. (Victoria's Secret used to carry them but evidently no longer does.) You can try an Internet search and wade through all the soft porn sites you'll get and you may find one or two places that have real silk stockings, not simply "silky" ones. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 13:08:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01986 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:08:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14139; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:25:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00288 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:25:43 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00262 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:25:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.199.45] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11oAi1-0003xS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:25:37 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991117112414.00be7b30@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:27:25 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: H-COST: Copying existing garments? In-Reply-To: <199911171529.KAA29778@jefferson.patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Here's a question, though - something that is bias cut will >have stretched along the bias already. The pieces will appear to be >longer and narrower than the dress was originally cut. Other things are >made of woodgy fabric - something that drapes nicely but is not tightly >woven so the yarns in the fabric move. The sections can move around so >that it's hard to tell if a line is straight or a curve. > > Any suggestions with handling these problems? Look at the threads, take lots of angle and length measurements, and reconstruct the pattern on graph paper from the measurements? Sounds like a co-ordinate geometry problem to me, with screwy co-ordinates which might have to be straightened out by hand first, gently. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 15:06:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02184 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:06:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02473; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:20:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29566 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:20:27 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29556 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:20:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from mediaone.net (h00105af53be2.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.162.250]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA25822 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:20:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38331C1E.14F730AF@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:20:30 -0500 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Copying existing garments? References: <199911171529.KAA29778@jefferson.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Janice Dallas Carol, Concerning distortions on bias cut dresses: If you baste a line of thread beside one of the original threads, you can see where the original grain line was. Do the same on the perpendicular and start pinning down to paper. There are special brass pins sold for use on vintage fabrics, though I don't know where now. Someone who sells acid free tissue and boxes might know. I got mine through F.I.T.'s school store in NY city when I was there for a special course on copying vintage costume. -- Janice Dallas JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 15:06:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02188 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:06:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02277; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28897 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:17:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28889 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:17:57 -0700 (MST) From: Hhdunlap@aol.com Received: from Hhdunlap@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.752fbff3 (2722) for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:17:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.752fbff3.2564755f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:17:19 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Ell Measurement To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com Well, Janet Arnold would have disagreed with you. She dwells on this issue in Patterns of Fashion, and while it varied by time and place, the ell was as much as 47 inches (Renaissance Spain). Hope _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 15:23:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02215 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:23:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05909; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:39:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04357 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:38:19 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04351 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:38:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from pacbell.net ([206.170.68.2]) by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FLD00MOR2PKEO@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:36:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:38:14 +0000 From: Dietmar Subject: Re: H-COST: inches To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3832AFC0.C00C9563@pacbell.net> Organization: Completely Disorganized MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <19991117051216.JIKD1594.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Dietmar Greetings, R.L. wrote: > What I can't deal with is Celsius for temperature.... there is too big a > gap between 20 degrees C and 21 degrees C for my tiny mind to make sense of! Beg your pardon? The difference between 20 degrees C and 21 degrees C is the same as that between 68 degrees F and 69.8 degrees F. That's not a very big gap. The problem is when the temp. is 20 C today and will be 30 C tomorrow. A ten degree jump in Fahrenheit is pretty small, but in Celsius it's much larger. (The confusion for me lies in the fact that room temperature is 25 C and 77 F. It's hard to get past the 50 degrees in between.) I've done enough chemistry, engineering, and physics that I'm comfortable working in either, but converting back and forth is still difficult for me. Regards, Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 16:15:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02269 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:15:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12698; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:26:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16313 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:23:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16293 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:23:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-124-27.s281.tnt5.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.124.27]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA05227 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:29:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00f101bf314a$37f1d600$d456accf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Amazon Dry Goods Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:22:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" Does anyone know the url for Amazon Dry Goods? I would really appreciate it. Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 16:29:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02295 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:29:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15546; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:45:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22843 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:45:35 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22828 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:45:33 -0700 (MST) From: DRGurley@aol.com Received: from DRGurley@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.c87a5b0 (4540) for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:44:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.c87a5b0.256489eb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:44:59 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Amazon Dry Goods To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: DRGurley@aol.com Penny, try www.amazondrygoods.com it comes right up for me. DaniG _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 16:30:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02304 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:30:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15487; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:45:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22462 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:44:05 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22449 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:44:02 -0700 (MST) From: sustre@pixelations.com Received: from [63.210.158.148] (1Cust102.tnt1.worcester.ma.da.uu.net [63.21.172.102]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13432 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:43:59 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: amanda@pixelations.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:46:15 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: questions in need of answers Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: sustre@pixelations.com While I haven't studied the subject extensively, I learned while doing enameling that Cloisonne is a very specific technique: separate wires are used to make cells or lines into which the enamels are applied, then fired. While enamels go back a long way- I've seen some lovely early Celtic work- many of them look to me more like champleve, where the metal is carved to make the cells into which enamel is placed. A modern short-cut can be to have castings made complete with the cells, saving the carving time; I don't know whether that was done in period. The metal can also be repouseed, or formed decoratively via hammering, then enamleled; I don't think there's a specific name for this. And, of course, all these techniques can be combined into one piece! -which is usually called "cloisonne". So it would be important to determine how strictly one wanted to define cloisonne while doing the research. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 16:42:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02369 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:42:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17825; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:57:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25816 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:56:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (edtnps04.telusplanet.net [198.161.157.104]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25801 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:56:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from clgrtnt2-port-170.agt.net ([161.184.43.170]:1027 "HELO Freya") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:56:20 -0700 X-Sender: agottfre@pop.telusplanet.net (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: H-COST: Historic Diana dress doesn't sell X-Mailer: Message-Id: <19991117225628Z38790-10421+18@smtp1.telusplanet.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:56:20 -0700 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Some list members may remember a brief discussion of the Princess of Wales' only foray into historic costume: a pink dress, c. 1890, which she wore to Edmonton's Klondike Days and Fort Edmonton Park in 1983. Well, I just read in the Edmonton Journal that London designer John Bright had the dress and matching hat returned to him after the visit. It was recently put up for auction in New York, with proceeds to benefit a British charity. Nobody bought it, despite the fact that the dress was heavily promoted. Anybody who has a spare $12,000-$18,000 (the expected auction price) should grab their chance now! Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 16:54:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02433 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:54:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20122; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:11:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29483 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:10:20 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29474 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:10:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-124-27.s281.tnt5.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.124.27]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26849 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:16:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <011b01bf3150$ccf1b300$d456accf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <0.c87a5b0.256489eb@aol.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Amazon Dry Goods Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:09:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" Thanks!!! > > -Poster: DRGurley@aol.com > > Penny, > try www.amazondrygoods.com > it comes right up for me. > > DaniG > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 17:39:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02521 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:39:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25542; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:54:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10377 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:52:21 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mbs.EDnet.ns.ca (mbs-1.mbs.EDnet.NS.CA [142.227.148.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10353 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:52:18 -0700 (MST) From: MMoore@mbs.ednet.ns.ca Received: from [142.227.148.14] by mbs.EDnet.ns.ca with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:04:27 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Nordstrom Cleaner Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:04:27 -0500 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MMoore@mbs.ednet.ns.ca Sorry to rehash an old topic but somewhere in the past a silk or stain (?) cleaner from Nordstroms was highly recommended and I have a family member making a trek to the US who would be willing to pick some up. Anyone remember the product name? Any advice cheerfully received. Mark _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 18:42:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02557 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:42:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03717; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:57:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27233 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:56:02 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (oe47.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.148.84]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA27219 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 574 invoked by uid 65534); 18 Nov 1999 00:55:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.95.7.213] User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:55:28 -0800 Subject: Re: H-COST: Nordstrom Cleaner From: Agnes Gawne To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Agnes Gawne Nordstrom's lingerie cleaner is just a product called "Zout" that has been re-packaged ad priced up for Nordstrom. Except when Nordstrom is having a sale it's cheaper for me to get it at my local fabric store, Nancy's Sewing Basket. Agnes Gawne Seattle, Washington > From: MMoore@mbs.ednet.ns.ca > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:04:27 -0500 > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: H-COST: Nordstrom Cleaner > > > -Poster: MMoore@mbs.ednet.ns.ca > > Sorry to rehash an old topic but somewhere in the past a silk or stain (?) > cleaner from Nordstroms was highly recommended and I have a family member > making a trek to the US who would be willing to pick some up. Anyone > remember the product name? Any advice cheerfully received. Mark > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 19:11:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02599 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:11:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07179; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:25:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02469 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:24:31 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02454 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:24:29 -0700 (MST) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.1fec0b09 (3858) for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:23:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.1fec0b09.2564af1f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:23:43 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Nordstrom Cleaner To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbraKat@aol.com Local grocery stores (in the Ventura,California) area also carry it. albra _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 20:24:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02739 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:24:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13507; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:38:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13918 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:37:11 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13903 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:37:08 -0700 (MST) From: SAQUEEN@aol.com Received: from SAQUEEN@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.aec06291 (4326) for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:36:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.aec06291.2564c030@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:36:32 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk noil fabric To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com Joan, Great reference as Montgomery's _Textile in America_ is the "bible". However, her emphasis is on household and furnishing textiles. I've found differences when looking at textiles for clothes of the 18th century. We need a book that focuses on clothing textiles of the same caliber as Montgomery. Sally Queen Calendar 2000: Historic Fashions Turning the Centuries http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 20:55:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02795 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:55:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17273; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:12:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19195 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:11:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.sdca.home.com [24.0.3.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19185 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:11:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.0.170.52]) by lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991118031112.EIWX11592.lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:11:12 -0800 Message-ID: <38336C64.AB9AA6E6@home.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:03:00 -0800 From: Russell Hedges Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Amazon Dry Goods References: <00f101bf314a$37f1d600$d456accf@e4c2n6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Russell Hedges Penny Ladnier wrote: > > -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > > Does anyone know the url for Amazon Dry Goods? I would really appreciate > it. > > Later... Penny > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.victoriana.com/amazon/ Russell Hedges _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 21:32:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02841 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:32:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20372; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:47:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24251 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:44:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA24237 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:44:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:44:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 17625 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1999 03:44:44 -0000 Received: from 38.240.3-5.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (HELO JOANJURA) (207.183.240.38) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 1999 03:44:44 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19991117194849.3bb7bad4@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk noil fabric Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 09:36 PM 11/17/99 EST, SAQUEEN@aol.com wrote: > >-Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com > >Joan, > >Great reference as Montgomery's _Textile in America_ is the "bible". However, >her emphasis is on household and furnishing textiles. I've found differences >when looking at textiles for clothes of the 18th century. We need a book that >focuses on clothing textiles of the same caliber as Montgomery. > >Sally Queen > Sally, It's true that Montgomery's emphasis is on furnishing textiles and I would love a similarly-researched dictionary on clothing textiles. But many of her definitions relate to clothing uses. Including the one I posted on Bourette. Do we have anyone on this list (or anyone someone knows) who is looking for a new book subject? A reference book on clothing textiles would have a good market just from this list . Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 21:54:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02866 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:54:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22383; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:10:14 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27921 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:08:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA27904 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:08:56 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:08:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 28881 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1999 04:08:48 -0000 Received: from 38.240.3-5.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (HELO JOANJURA) (207.183.240.38) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 1999 04:08:48 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19991117201253.3bb76bb4@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk noil fabric Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Joan M Jurancich Rob, To a spinner like myself, a "noil" is merely an annoying short bit of fiber that tends to make your thread look messy . And a noil can occur in *any* fiber, wool, cotton, silk, etc. Here is another situation where the technical term from one craft (i.e., spinning) gets used in a related, but different, craft (i.e., weaving), and then gets divorced from its original meaning--silk noil, originally a short bit of fiber, comes to mean a fabric woven from silk threads that are full of noils. True "raw silk" is simply silk with the natural sericin residues from the cocoon still on it; it is often used to refer to Tussah silk, which is from a non-domesticated species of silk moth, but it applies to any silk with the sericin still on it. Because the Tussah silk cocoons are harvested after the moth emerges, the simplest way to make usable fiber is to card and spin the broken cocoons. This silk is coarser than that from the domesticated Bombyx. I have seen *both* Tussah silk and silk noil cloths labeled as "raw silk" in fabric stores. I'll hop down from my soapbox now ... But I am still interested in any other primary references anyone might come across refering to a nubby-surfaced silk fabric. As of now, the earliest I am aware of is 1736, and you can't get a better primary source than a piece of the stuff. Still looking, Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA At 09:48 AM 11/17/99 -0800, R.L. Shep wrote: > >Noil is a specail type of silk - not necesarily *raw silk* at all. Noil sik >is made from short lengths that have been spun. You can make it from wild >silk - as the do in Orissa, India - or from China silk , or whatever. Noil >Silk *blankets* are the rage in Europe these days. I got one when I was in >Orissa last winter. >~!~ R.L.Shep >http://www.rlshep.com > >---------- >>From: Joan M Jurancich >>To: h-costume@indra.com >>Subject: H-COST: Silk noil fabric >>Date: Tue, Nov 16, 1999, 9:39 PM >> >>Several times in the past two years or so, the question of the use of silk >>noil fabrics (modern name: raw silk) has come up. I found the following >>reference in "Textiles in America: 1650-1870" on page 175: >> >>"BOURETTE >> >>"Silk dress and furnishing material in plain weave waith a rough, knotty >>surface. The weft yarns were made from coarse outer fibers of cocoons which >>were carded and spun rather than reeled. A swatch of _Bourette filoselle et >>Fil_, waste silk and linen, is in the Richelieu Papers (see Pl. D-89)." >> >>The caption on Pl. D-89 (which is in color) says that the bourette is on a >>page dated 1736; the title of the page is "Etosses d' Avignon". The sample >>is striped in two shades of red, green, white, bright yellow gold, and >>brown(?). The center stripe looks like a warp-painted ikat with white >ground >>and brown pattern. The Richelieu Papers are in the Bibliotheque Nationale. >> >>Has anyone found any other references to this type of fabric? >> >>As always, trying to learn more, >> >>Joan Jurancich >>Sacramento, CA >>joanj@quiknet.com >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 21:54:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02870 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:54:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22379; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:10:12 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27925 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:08:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA27905 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:08:56 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:08:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 28881 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1999 04:08:48 -0000 Received: from 38.240.3-5.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (HELO JOANJURA) (207.183.240.38) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 1999 04:08:48 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19991117201253.3bb76bb4@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk noil fabric Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Joan M Jurancich Rob, To a spinner like myself, a "noil" is merely an annoying short bit of fiber that tends to make your thread look messy . And a noil can occur in *any* fiber, wool, cotton, silk, etc. Here is another situation where the technical term from one craft (i.e., spinning) gets used in a related, but different, craft (i.e., weaving), and then gets divorced from its original meaning--silk noil, originally a short bit of fiber, comes to mean a fabric woven from silk threads that are full of noils. True "raw silk" is simply silk with the natural sericin residues from the cocoon still on it; it is often used to refer to Tussah silk, which is from a non-domesticated species of silk moth, but it applies to any silk with the sericin still on it. Because the Tussah silk cocoons are harvested after the moth emerges, the simplest way to make usable fiber is to card and spin the broken cocoons. This silk is coarser than that from the domesticated Bombyx. I have seen *both* Tussah silk and silk noil cloths labeled as "raw silk" in fabric stores. I'll hop down from my soapbox now ... But I am still interested in any other primary references anyone might come across refering to a nubby-surfaced silk fabric. As of now, the earliest I am aware of is 1736, and you can't get a better primary source than a piece of the stuff. Still looking, Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA At 09:48 AM 11/17/99 -0800, R.L. Shep wrote: > >Noil is a specail type of silk - not necesarily *raw silk* at all. Noil sik >is made from short lengths that have been spun. You can make it from wild >silk - as the do in Orissa, India - or from China silk , or whatever. Noil >Silk *blankets* are the rage in Europe these days. I got one when I was in >Orissa last winter. >~!~ R.L.Shep >http://www.rlshep.com > >---------- >>From: Joan M Jurancich >>To: h-costume@indra.com >>Subject: H-COST: Silk noil fabric >>Date: Tue, Nov 16, 1999, 9:39 PM >> >>Several times in the past two years or so, the question of the use of silk >>noil fabrics (modern name: raw silk) has come up. I found the following >>reference in "Textiles in America: 1650-1870" on page 175: >> >>"BOURETTE >> >>"Silk dress and furnishing material in plain weave waith a rough, knotty >>surface. The weft yarns were made from coarse outer fibers of cocoons which >>were carded and spun rather than reeled. A swatch of _Bourette filoselle et >>Fil_, waste silk and linen, is in the Richelieu Papers (see Pl. D-89)." >> >>The caption on Pl. D-89 (which is in color) says that the bourette is on a >>page dated 1736; the title of the page is "Etosses d' Avignon". The sample >>is striped in two shades of red, green, white, bright yellow gold, and >>brown(?). The center stripe looks like a warp-painted ikat with white >ground >>and brown pattern. The Richelieu Papers are in the Bibliotheque Nationale. >> >>Has anyone found any other references to this type of fabric? >> >>As always, trying to learn more, >> >>Joan Jurancich >>Sacramento, CA >>joanj@quiknet.com >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 22:13:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02928 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:13:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23881; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:29:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00684 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:28:46 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00673 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:28:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.230.173] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11oJBa-0001zN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:28:42 -0800 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:24:44 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Amazon Dry Goods In-Reply-To: <00f101bf314a$37f1d600$d456accf@e4c2n6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 05:22 PM 11/17/1999, "Penny Ladnier" asked ... the url for Amazon Dry Goods? It is: http://www.amazondrygoods.com/ Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 17 23:35:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03072 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:35:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01535; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:50:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22560 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:49:06 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from Herb-Lore.com (mail.herb-lore.com [209.141.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22546 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:49:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from Flohrschutz [207.204.223.220] by Herb-Lore.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A1435CFD0152; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:48:35 -0700 Message-ID: <004401bf3190$bda7b6c0$dcdfcccf@Flohrschutz> From: "Heather" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST: Nordstrom Cleaner Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:47:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Heather" There's also a cleaner I've used available at quilting stores. I can't remember the name, but it was originally designed to clean cow utters with so its really delicate. > Sorry to rehash an old topic but somewhere in the past a silk or stain (?) > cleaner from Nordstroms was highly recommended and I have a family member > making a trek to the US who would be willing to pick some up. Anyone > remember the product name? Any advice cheerfully received. Mark > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 18 00:21:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03123 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:21:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04577; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:37:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28501 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:36:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28495 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:36:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04888 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-65.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.65]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25714 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:36:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000901bf3191$63e600a0$8f1dfea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: References: <0.752fbff3.2564755f@aol.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Ell Measurement Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:51:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" > > -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com > > Well, Janet Arnold would have disagreed with you. She dwells on this issue in Patterns of Fashion, and while it varied by time and place, the ell was as much as 47 inches (Renaissance Spain). > Hope I think the original poster wanted to know so that he or she could enlarge the layouts in the Alcega's book. No matter how many different varients, that book is set up for 84 cm. So, in answer to the original question...for Alcega's, an ell is 84 cm. There is a table in the book that divides it up and down, from fractions to cm. Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 18 07:04:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06995 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 07:04:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20798; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:17:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01255 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:14:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01243 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:14:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-244-217.s217.tnt4.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.244.217]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA00286 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:21:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801bf31c6$cb82dd20$d9f4accf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST: Amazon Dry Goods Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:13:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" Thanks you for the URL. Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol J. Bell Cannon To: Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 11:24 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: Amazon Dry Goods > > -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" > > At 05:22 PM 11/17/1999, "Penny Ladnier" > asked ... the url for Amazon Dry Goods? > It is: http://www.amazondrygoods.com/ > Carol > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 18 10:49:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07222 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:49:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16732; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17216 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:02:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17205 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:02:28 -0700 (MST) From: Hhdunlap@aol.com Received: from Hhdunlap@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.5724fb2e (6094) for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:01:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.5724fb2e.25658b01@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:01:53 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Nordstrom Cleaner To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com The animal cleaner you reference is Orvus Paste by Proctor and Gamble. It is available in gallons from major animal supply stores. It is used by museum conservators for fabrics, and is sold in smaller bottles in quilt stores under a different name. A little goes a long way. No fragrances or dyes, so its great for people with sensitive skin for everyday wash. I get mine from the pet feed store which needs a day or two to order it in. It cleans well, despite being gentle. Hope _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 18 12:03:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07324 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:03:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27555; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:17:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06596 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:16:32 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from Herb-Lore.com (mail.herb-lore.com [209.141.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06563 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:16:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from Flohrschutz [207.204.223.216] by Herb-Lore.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A06E61720152; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:15:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01bf31f9$5d06aec0$d8dfcccf@Flohrschutz> From: "Heather" To: References: <0.5724fb2e.25658b01@aol.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Nordstrom Cleaner Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:16:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Heather" Thanks, Hope. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 9:01 AM Subject: Re: H-COST: Nordstrom Cleaner > > -Poster: Hhdunlap@aol.com > > The animal cleaner you reference is Orvus Paste by Proctor and Gamble. It is available in gallons from major animal supply stores. It is used by museum conservators for fabrics, and is sold in smaller bottles in quilt stores under a different name. A little goes a long way. No fragrances or dyes, so its great for people with sensitive skin for everyday wash. I get mine from the pet feed store which needs a day or two to order it in. It cleans well, despite being gentle. > > Hope > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 18 13:05:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07429 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:05:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06747; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:21:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22795 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:20:52 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22784 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:20:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991118192049.DBNN1594.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:20:49 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:25:37 -0800 Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk noil fabric From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991118192049.DBNN1594.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "R.L. Shep" I am afraid that my understanding of this subject and yours differ. Chinese silk is Bombyx mori and the worm feeds on mulberry leaves. This is what we mostly know here. And it is produced in many countries other than China at this point in time. *Raw Silk* is undegummed fliaments of B. mori - Chinese silk - this can either be in filament form or spun in the form of *noil*. *Tasar, or Tussah*, *Eri or endi*, and *Muga or Mugah* silk are all *wild* silk. They are produced by a diferent worm and it does not feed on mulberry leaves. All three of these originally were wild in the jungles of India but now they are being domesticated. I have seen both Tussah and Mugah being raised and have examples of both. These silks are all brown to golden in color, not the color of Chinese silk. Fo example Tussah is a brownish tan, and Mugah is known as golden silk. The reason has to do with the form of the filament, in Wild Silk they are flat and are not easy to degum. Chinese silk has a more round filament and can be degummed. *Noil* can be and is spun from either Chinese silk or wild silk, or raw silk. It is the process that is important. Also the whole question of silk that comes from cocoons where the worm has eaten its way out has to do mainly with the fact that in some Bhuddhist countries - like Bhutan - they will not boil the cocoon to kill the worm. Therefore the worm is allow to eat its way out and they cannot get a long continuous filament from the cocoon. Sorry to be so pedantic about it, but it can be a very confusing subject. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com ---------- >From: Joan M Jurancich >To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk noil fabric >Date: Wed, Nov 17, 1999, 8:08 PM > > >-Poster: Joan M Jurancich > >Rob, > >To a spinner like myself, a "noil" is merely an annoying short bit of fiber >that tends to make your thread look messy . And a noil can occur in >*any* fiber, wool, cotton, silk, etc. Here is another situation where the >technical term from one craft (i.e., spinning) gets used in a related, but >different, craft (i.e., weaving), and then gets divorced from its original >meaning--silk noil, originally a short bit of fiber, comes to mean a fabric >woven from silk threads that are full of noils. True "raw silk" is simply >silk with the natural sericin residues from the cocoon still on it; it is >often used to refer to Tussah silk, which is from a non-domesticated species >of silk moth, but it applies to any silk with the sericin still on it. >Because the Tussah silk cocoons are harvested after the moth emerges, the >simplest way to make usable fiber is to card and spin the broken cocoons. >This silk is coarser than that from the domesticated Bombyx. I have seen >*both* Tussah silk and silk noil cloths labeled as "raw silk" in fabric stores. > >I'll hop down from my soapbox now ... > >But I am still interested in any other primary references anyone might come >across refering to a nubby-surfaced silk fabric. As of now, the earliest I >am aware of is 1736, and you can't get a better primary source than a piece >of the stuff. > >Still looking, > >Joan Jurancich >Sacramento, CA > >At 09:48 AM 11/17/99 -0800, R.L. Shep wrote: >> >>Noil is a specail type of silk - not necesarily *raw silk* at all. Noil sik >>is made from short lengths that have been spun. You can make it from wild >>silk - as the do in Orissa, India - or from China silk , or whatever. Noil >>Silk *blankets* are the rage in Europe these days. I got one when I was in >>Orissa last winter. >>~!~ R.L.Shep >>http://www.rlshep.com >> >>---------- >>>From: Joan M Jurancich >>>To: h-costume@indra.com >>>Subject: H-COST: Silk noil fabric >>>Date: Tue, Nov 16, 1999, 9:39 PM >>> >>>Several times in the past two years or so, the question of the use of silk >>>noil fabrics (modern name: raw silk) has come up. I found the following >>>reference in "Textiles in America: 1650-1870" on page 175: >>> >>>"BOURETTE >>> >>>"Silk dress and furnishing material in plain weave waith a rough, knotty >>>surface. The weft yarns were made from coarse outer fibers of cocoons which >>>were carded and spun rather than reeled. A swatch of _Bourette filoselle et >>>Fil_, waste silk and linen, is in the Richelieu Papers (see Pl. D-89)." >>> >>>The caption on Pl. D-89 (which is in color) says that the bourette is on a >>>page dated 1736; the title of the page is "Etosses d' Avignon". The sample >>>is striped in two shades of red, green, white, bright yellow gold, and >>>brown(?). The center stripe looks like a warp-painted ikat with white >>ground >>>and brown pattern. The Richelieu Papers are in the Bibliotheque Nationale. >>> >>>Has anyone found any other references to this type of fabric? >>> >>>As always, trying to learn more, >>> >>>Joan Jurancich >>>Sacramento, CA >>>joanj@quiknet.com >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >>> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 18 13:18:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07453 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:18:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08623; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:35:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26234 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:34:52 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fepA.post.tele.dk (fepA.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.143]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26220 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:34:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.249.162.97]) by fepA.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991118193448.ILZM21401.fepA.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:34:48 +0100 Message-ID: <383453F0.E1F3226@post12.tele.dk> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:30:57 +0100 From: leif drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [da] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: tracing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: leif drews Dear all! I have a question about a matter i often have wondered. I am making 3 pairs of stays. They are in different sizes to fit thre different ladies. The tracing of the pocketholes for the bones is going to be as precisely as possible and i am using tracingpaper to do this tedious work cause my stays is made in cotton muslin and they are not going to be seen by the dress over it. How are you making this proses, what do you do, perhaps there was a better way to do it. All replyes will be most apreciated. Bjarne Drews in Copenhagen. -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 18 17:08:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07855 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:08:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11582; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:23:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23375 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:19:34 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.130]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23366 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:19:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from Porb (vandial42.lightspeed.bc.ca [204.244.233.42]) by ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA09049 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:05:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991118152116.007b84b0@antir.com> X-Sender: i.wonder@antir.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:21:16 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kris Subject: Re: H-COST: inches In-Reply-To: <000201bf30a9$217fe7a0$03000004@van1282> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Kris >-Poster: "The Rogue" >But that's OK, because 17 yards of black cotton velvet has more meaning to >me than 17 metres! ahh... but if they were the same price, which would you prefer? Meters, of course *grin* That 3" makes a big difference when you're purchasing more then 4 metres of fabric! Kris _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 18 17:27:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07917 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:27:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14161; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:43:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26768 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:33:51 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.worldaccessnet.com (IDENT:jpUk4715r2iw6VHg3BAgE5wzazVpnwCd@worldaccessnet.com [206.190.139.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA26744 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:33:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by vortex.worldaccessnet.com id m11ob2r-000dJ5C; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:32:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail3.2.0.91#4) Received: from max6-11.worldaccessnet.com(206.190.132.159), claiming to be "sidne" via SMTP by worldaccessnet.com, id smtpdAAAa002dt; Thu Nov 18 15:32:10 1999 Message-ID: <021801bf321d$2b614aa0$9f84bece@sidne> From: "Sidne Kneeland" To: References: <199911120015.SAA22583@cdale3.midwest.net> Subject: H-COST: Re: Byzantine Enamels book Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:32:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Sidne Kneeland" Greetings all, Sorry I'm late to join in on this thread. I'm catching up on my email. Check out this site for Bibliofind, Rare Books: http://www.bibliofind.com/ Bibliofind has nine copies of the Klaus Wessel book listed, prices ranging from $59 to $125. > re: information on cloisonné enamels. > > Wessel, Klaus. _Byzantine Enamels from the 5th to the 13th century_, ..(snip)... > i have not actually seen this book, just read some references to it,... Sidne Kneeland - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - o - (Psychotherapy is expensive, bubble wrap is cheap. You choose) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 18 19:28:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08053 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:28:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27021; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:43:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21907 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:42:42 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web1802.mail.yahoo.com (web1802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.45]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA21896 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:42:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19991119014239.4166.rocketmail@web1802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.226.171.45] by web1802.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:42:39 PST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:42:39 -0800 (PST) From: Carol Mitchell Subject: H-COST: silk stockings To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carol Mitchell This topic comes up about once a year. I've done the sifting through thousands of porn sites bit. I got about 4 that actually talked about the stockings, but all the links turned out to be dead. I asked at one site that used to carry them and was told they simply didn't sell well enough to be worthwhile. I've noticed the last few years that even in Hong Kong you can rarely find real silk any more-they try to pretend the junk they're selling is better. I think the only way we'll ever get new silk stockings is if someone decides to go into making them in a small way-and then they'll cost even more than the $25 a pair they used to cost. Carol Mitchell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 18 20:41:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08167 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:41:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04777; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:58:15 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02535 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:57:51 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pimout7-int.prodigy.net (pimout7-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.59.180]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02522 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:57:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from prodigy.net (PEORB102-25.splitrock.net [209.253.154.25]) by pimout7-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA97120; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:57:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3834BBCB.D22BDDC7@prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:54:03 -0600 From: Broom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Drea di Pelligrini , H-Costume List Subject: H-COST: Silk stockings by mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Broom There's a shop in London where I got a coupla pair, sheer smoke... I'm racking my brains now... Agent Provocateur! They have a website, but it's a real bitch to navigate (*very* bandwidth-intensive, Javascript only), and too artsy to figure out easily. Try the 9 of Clubs or 10 of Clubs cards in the shop index. The price was $20L ($35). -- | Broom Broom@prodigy.net | 937-222-2330 233 Perrine St Dayton (1 of my fayre citees) OH 45410 \|/ 309-685-1532 1501 E Gardner Ln #1624 Peoria Hts (thother) IL 61614 /|\ Ministerium honor est, which means: //|\\ "A letter doesn't blush." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 18 21:10:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08233 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:10:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08433; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:27:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05910 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:26:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp-hub.mail.erols.net (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05897 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:25:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by smtp-hub.mail.erols.net (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id WAA18444 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from pavilion (216-164-48-126.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com [216.164.48.126]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA27666 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:25:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004401bf323d$43cd8700$0200a8c0@pavilion> From: "Megan McHugh" To: Subject: Re: H-COST:Uniquely You Dress Form Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:22:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Megan McHugh" Does anyone know if there is a web site for the uniquely you dress form? I just tried to order one from JoAnn's (killer sale, only $99.00!!!) but I just got a call from the store saying the sizing of the forms had changed and the old method (the one on Farthingale's web site) no longer applies. I am trying to get info on the current sizing method as email is faster than waiting for the store to call me back next week. Any takers? -Megan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 18 21:17:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08255 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:17:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09052; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:34:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06862 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:34:25 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06855 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:34:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from megabox (ip230.r8.d.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.173.230]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA10192 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:34:22 -0800 (PST) From: "Cathy Harding" To: Subject: H-COST: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Questions_on_enamel_&_cloisonn=E9?= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:44:38 -0800 Message-ID: <000201bf3240$6796e020$4600000a@megabox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Cathy Harding" I deleted the original question on Cloisonné so I will do a brain dump on numerous conversations with Mistress Fjorlief (Alison Fine)and Master William (Bill Dawson)of the SCA Kingdom of An Tir (Washington state) about glass on metal in period and earlier. Neither of these folks are on this list but I will ask them to make more comments if anyone wants them. (my area of interest is glassware) Sorry no actual sources were cited in this email, my brain is too tired to go look for them, but we can come up with them.... They both do a lot of research in period techniques and apply them to their work. I have listed some links to examples of cloisonné and other enamels at the bottom of this email. Glass on metal is very old, appears to have developed in the area now called Cyprus in the middle bronze age. Like a lot of glass associated objects of the time, the artisans used techniques they were familiar with from stone and metal working, like inlay. So the early examples are pieces of glass cut to shape and inlayed in metal channels on bowls, jewelry, etc. Somewhere in this early period it was found that fusing the chunks of glass inside a built metal framework and then doing the grinding and polishing was faster. The glass was fused on copper and bronze. The bent wires of cloisonné come later. Often the designs were abstract and geometric shapes. The height of this art form was in Byzantium. There are a lot of extant enameled objects from this time period, because they massed produced them. There starts to be details, people, faces and attributes (can't tell a saint with out his or her attribute, and square and round halos to help distinguish who is who.) They were produced in large work shops with each task done by different people or groups. The wires were bent on jigs, groups fused the wires to the metal, packed the glass (some where in here they started to use finely ground glass instead of chunks) and fired it. still another group ground and polished it. The metal here is very often gold. Bill's comment was that the state of the art has "gone down hill a bit" in the last 1500 years. This is the cloisonné form, wires bent and fused on glass on metal to make cells to hold glass and the glass is melted in many many thin layers in the cells and then ground and polished. Champleve is from a later period in Europe (France) and is thought to be European artisans imitating the Byzantine works. The cells were carved in thick pieces of metal or cast and the glass fused into these cells. The glass industry of this time in Europe was pretty primitive in the sense of color and chemistry, they were making some pretty interesting glassware though' (that's another story.....) The glass here was of a lesser quality and often the various colors were not very compatible, chemically. They were getting colored frit (which is basically glass scrape) from middle eastern glassworks and using that as the coloring agents. The metal used was often gold plated copper as actual gold was scare, this was one of those times when the currency was debased. There are also glass on glass examples, glassware, beakers, pitchers and other vessels. The glass was blown or mold produced and then more glass was painted or inlayed and fused on the vessel. This didn't really take off in Europe and most of the examples found are in the middle east, Persia and Arabia. Here are some examples of glass on metal work with some commentary, I am using Bill's site as I am very familiar with these items, I scanned many of them for the site. I don't actually own any of these things or make them, but I would like too..... http://billdawsonmetalsmith.com/hware.html Heraldic cloisonné on a beaker and mazers http://billdawsonmetalsmith.com/ones.html There are examples of both Champleve and cloisonné. http://billdawsonmetalsmith.com/Stock.html The dragonesque pin is a copy of a migration period pin where the cells created by casting them in the metal. http://billdawsonmetalsmith.com/othercus.html Some other enamels where much of the design is in the metal underneath the glass. Cathy Harding Maeve d'Maas in the SCA (A newsletter editor in search of a successor!) Seattle, WA _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 18 22:18:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08314 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:18:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14629; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:35:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13921 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:35:33 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.va.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.va.home.com [24.2.32.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13915 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:35:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from C59303A ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.va.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991119043526.NRVY11597.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@C59303A> for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:35:26 -0800 Message-ID: <00eb01bf32ac$2a51c970$ac350418@C59303A> From: "Ches, a mommy of two, wife of one" To: References: <0.a520fa52.256041fe@aol.com> <004301bf2ed5$c1097f00$05e6f1c3@henk> <00a001bf2f4f$a9fc4f70$ac350418@C59303A> <000901bf305d$5d2104c0$59cdf1c3@henk> Subject: Re: H-COST: Gypsies Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:30:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Ches, a mommy of two, wife of one" Here they are with their emails. My macedonian friends however is very secretive and will not discuss anything with anyone not of the brotherhood. He speaks to me because I resemble a member of his family. I have no macedonian in me, just italian peasant farmers who migrated to Texas to remain farmers all their lives....except me....I got to go to college! :) Sincerely, FHavas Dallas, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lilinah biti-Anat" To: Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 12:23 PM Subject: Gypsies (was gwazhees)Now, i realize it's difficult to find much information on Gypsy clothing within period. The few comments i've seen from "SCA period" indicate that they often wore cast-off clothing of the people through whose country they were travelling. But no crop tops, tiered skirts, brightly colored triangular head scarves, Flamenco dresses, etc. on the women, and no open throated white shirts with neck scarves, black vests, high heeled boots, and those flat crowned hats worn by Flamenco dancers and The Man With No Name in "A Fist Full of Dollars" etc. on men. Not before 1600 :-) Before reaching Europe in the 1400's, the Gypsies had spent several centuries in Persia - in fact they had been brought there by the Persian government - and they were from several different regions of what is now India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and other parts of Central Asia - they did not represent one particular ethnic or linguistic group. Because of the different ethnic and cultural groups they were from, they are unlikely to have arrived with a single distinctive costume, other than to adapt what the Persians wore. After they left Persia, they spent about another 75 years or so in what is now Turkey and a little bit of Eastern Europe, where i assume they would have picked up some additional garb elements. But once they reached Europe they spread rapidly, covering the entire continent within less than 100 years. But i don't recall any mention of distinctly foreign dress. They just were described as rather rag-tag in worn cast-off mismatched clothing. Of course, it wasn't as if any of the writers "in period" really had any understanding of Gypsy culture or even any sympathy for them. The Gypsies were generally pariahs wherever they went. A few kingdoms or principalities, particularly in Scandinavia, opened their gates to them in generosity, when they heard about the bad treatment they were getting elsewhere, but within a VERY short time, the Gypsies were being driven from those places as well. Of course, i can't remember where i read the above information. I think the travel from South and Central Asia to Persia and Turkey is fairly well documented, but i can't give anyone a reference :-( And i'm sure that the dates of various laws regarding Gypsies in Europe can be verified. Sorry i'm not more helpful. This is rather third hand info, but i hope it gives anyone who's interested a starting point. Anahita Gauri bint-Karim al-hakim al-Fassi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Tackett" To: Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 8:43 AM Subject: Gypsies Garb > Gypsies garb at least the womens dress was very distinct in Europe from the > first recored sitings in the early 15th century until just post-period in > the 17th. The women wore a Chemise styled dress, a rectangular mantle tied > on one shoulder and a Turban. > > A realy good book that shows some early examples is "The Gypsies" by Angus > Fraser, ISBN 0631159673. > > The one of earliest example I have found is "Gypsy Family" by Master of the > Housbook, > 1480. > other examples are: > Hieronymus Bousch 's "The Haywain" , 1500 - bottom center of panel > > Titan's "La Zingarella", 1510 > > Coregio's "Gypsy Madonna", 1530 > > Caravaggio's "The Fortune Teller", 1594-95 - Caravaggio's gypsy is dressed > in a high neck chemise instead of the more typical chemise dress. > > I am currently working on a class for Gulf Wars next year on gypsy garb. If > I can help more let me know. > Lady Dinah bint Ismai'l > htackett@eagnet.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: fhavas > To: SCA-GARB@LIST.UVM.EDU > Date: Saturday, October 30, 1999 9:50 PM > Subject: Re: Gypsies > > > >I think this subject is definitely worth getting into!! :) > > > >Several individuals have tried through the years to get appropriate > >information on the dress and no one until you has been able to give some > >insight the way you did. Thank you!! > > > > > >Sincerely, > >FHavas > >Dallas, Texas > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 12:47 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: Gypsies > > -Poster: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" > > > Hi, > > Fran wrote: > > You have no idea how correct you are Henk. Everyone that I have conversed > > with had a totally different view of what they looked like. On the SCA > list > > we have two individuals that have done a great deal of personal research > on > > these people and have come out with different answers. > > Could you bring me into contact with these people? I'm curious as to their > sources. > > I personally know > > someone from Macedonia and he tells me that it is on purpose that their > true > > dress and identity is obscured or purposely misdirected. > > Now why would they do that? They were a travelling people and as such very > visible to the more settled burghers and peasants. I can imagine they would > dress down to trade with the settlers, but they also had a reputation for > being exotic and until relatively recent they dressed the part in Hungarian > or Balkan outfits at fairs and other public events. So what's behind this > statement? > > > > So tell us what you have learned and we will add it to our files of one > more > > person's research of what these 4 different peoples called the gypsy's > look > > like to you. > > > Up till now I have one late 15th c drawing of a couple with two kids, > supposed to be gypsies. Apart from some details they look quite normal. I > also have written reports about Egytians from 1407 and later in our country. > That's all. > > Henk > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 18 22:39:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08336 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:39:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16329; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:57:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16697 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:56:56 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (root@proxy2.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16382; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:54:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from best.com (lavolta.vip.best.com [206.86.95.234]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id UAA19500; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:52:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3834D860.48FF312D@best.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:56:00 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume Mailing List , Vintage Clothing Mailing List Subject: H-COST: Web site update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lavolta Press We just updated our web site, which features books on historic costume and vintage clothes: http://www.best.com/~lavolta/index.htm Feel free to take a look! Allan Terry _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 19 00:56:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08448 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:56:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25284; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:14:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29792 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:13:44 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29784 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:13:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24258 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:13:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-26.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.26]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13998 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:13:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001101bf325f$b60499e0$212bfea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: References: <004401bf323d$43cd8700$0200a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: H-COST:Uniquely You Dress Form Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:28:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" > Does anyone know if there is a web site for the uniquely you dress form? I > just tried to order one from JoAnn's (killer sale, only $99.00!!!) but I > just got a call from the store saying the sizing of the forms had changed > and the old method (the one on Farthingale's web site) no longer applies. I > am trying to get info on the current sizing method as email is faster than > waiting for the store to call me back next week. Any takers? > > -Megan I don't know about a web site for the forms but is Joann's far from you? The last time I was in our local store, I remember seeing forms you could pick up off the counter with all that information on it. Will that work? MIchelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 19 08:14:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12408 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:14:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14408; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:31:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01081 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:29:45 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01070 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:29:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JIIWPLDDWW006C95@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:29:24 GMT Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JIIWPBWIF40066R3@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:28:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 19 Nov 99 14:26:46 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44) ; 19 Nov 99 14:26:42 GMT0BST Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.126) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 19 Nov 99 14:26:35 GMT0BST Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:26:35 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <9D6DC3D3AB4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 Hello folks I followed the recent discussion on organ-pipe pleats and how to do them but really need to *see* it in order to make sure I've got it right fromt he descriptions. The first edition of Blanche Payne's "History of costume" was mentioned as having details of organ-pipe pleated bases and a diagram. I got the book on inter-library loan and founf the diagram is a pattern-layout for the bases and not, as I had hoped, a diagram of how the pleats are constructed. So, has anyone on h-costume got any ideas where I should look for *pictorial instructions* or clear diagrams of how organ pipe pleats are constructed? Many thanks in advance for any and all suggestions Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 19 17:19:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13257 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:19:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26885; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:36:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17871 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:35:38 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17857 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:35:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from gia-g (dialup343.serv.net [207.207.70.236]) by mx.serv.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA23011 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:35:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003d01bf32e6$93899f00$ec46cfcf@gia-g> From: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:34:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" Greetings! I think "The Art of Manipulating Fabric" has the information you need. I think I've got the title right. It's the book that has *innumerable* pictures of actual muslins done up in each and every manipulation you can think of, as well as very detailed line drawings and verbal directions. I keep hoping to find my copy of the book so I could give the ISBN and author, but the book is buried *somwhere*! I'm not sure which project it is under, and I've moved and shuffled them all to try and find it over the last few days, since this question came up. Gia/Giacinta bookahilic _________________ Hello folks I followed the recent discussion on organ-pipe pleats and how to do them but really need to *see* it in order to make sure I've got it right fromt he descriptions. The first edition of Blanche Payne's "History of costume" was mentioned as having details of organ-pipe pleated bases and a diagram. I got the book on inter-library loan and founf the diagram is a pattern-layout for the bases and not, as I had hoped, a diagram of how the pleats are constructed. So, has anyone on h-costume got any ideas where I should look for *pictorial instructions* or clear diagrams of how organ pipe pleats are constructed? Many thanks in advance for any and all suggestions Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 19 17:41:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13267 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:41:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28778; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:57:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22819 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:57:52 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from relay4.hawaii.edu (relay4.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.12]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA22810 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:57:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from uhunix1.its.hawaii.edu ([128.171.44.6]) by relay4.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <373771(7)>; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:57:42 -1000 Received: from localhost by uhunix1.its.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <135746(10)>; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:57:12 -1000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:57:07 -1000 From: X-Sender: lisaleon@uhunix1 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... In-Reply-To: <003d01bf32e6$93899f00$ec46cfcf@gia-g> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: > I think "The Art of Manipulating Fabric" has the information you need. I > think I've got the title right. It's the book that has *innumerable* > pictures of actual muslins done up in each and every manipulation you can > think of, as well as very detailed line drawings and verbal directions. I also hunted down this book with the express purpose of finding out how to do organ pipe pleats. Although there are instructions for organ pipe pleats, they aren't the same thing as the ones on German gowns. However, it _is_ a very nice book with wonderful photos of all kinds of other nifty things you can do to fabric. lisa _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 19 20:19:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13550 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:19:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16480; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:37:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17047 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:36:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17038 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:36:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from gia-g (dialup336.serv.net [207.207.70.229]) by mx.serv.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA13036 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:36:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000e01bf32ff$e8581840$e546cfcf@gia-g> From: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:34:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" Ah HA! I found it under a needlework project...don't have a clue how it got there! But, the author is Colette Wolff, ISBN 0-8019-8496-3 Lisa is right, the organ pleats are 'stuffed', and might not provide the amount of 'fullness' that you typically see at the hems and other portions of the garments. It is possible that the 'Rollback Cartridge' that is in the book might provide more fullness to get the correct silohette. I don't think the book's muslin sample is an example that one can use to visualize this, because the sample's material *is* muslin, and rather lightweight. In my mind's eye, I can visualize using a material of the weight of, say, good thick wool, and doing the rollback cartridge, to get that really 'stuffed organ pleat' look. Granted, this is in my mind's eye, and I've not done a practical application of this thought. Has anyone tried this? Gia/Giacinta > > I also hunted down this book with the express purpose of finding >out how to do organ pipe pleats. Although there are instructions for >organ pipe pleats, they aren't the same thing as the ones on German gowns. >However, it _is_ a very nice book with wonderful photos of all kinds of >other nifty things you can do to fabric. > >lisa > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 19 20:32:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13586 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:32:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18015; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:49:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18754 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:49:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18748 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:49:29 -0700 (MST) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.35154c94 (4569) for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:48:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.35154c94.25676618@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:48:56 EST Subject: H-COST: Re: uniquely you To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com I don't think the company has a web site, but it does have a toll-free number. Just call toll free directory assistance (1-800-555-1212) and ask for it; you don't have to know what state it's in. Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 19 21:08:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13614 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:08:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21013; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:26:03 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23168 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:25:25 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23159 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:25:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from erols.com (207-172-70-191.s191.tnt11.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.70.191]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26264 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:25:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38363F6E.10647589@erols.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:27:58 -0800 From: "David S. Mallinak" Organization: Red Dragon Enterprises X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... References: <003d01bf32e6$93899f00$ec46cfcf@gia-g> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "David S. Mallinak" Gia Gavino-Gattshall wrote: > > -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" > > Greetings! > I think "The Art of Manipulating Fabric" has the information you need. > I keep hoping to find my copy of the book so I could give the ISBN and > author, but the book is buried *somwhere*! The Art of Manipulation Fabric By Colette Wolff ISBN 0-8019-8496-3 1996 Chilton Book Co. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 20 05:46:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17580 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 05:46:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA16475; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 05:04:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12786 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 05:03:43 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mbs.EDnet.ns.ca (mbs-1.mbs.EDnet.NS.CA [142.227.148.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA12774 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 05:03:41 -0700 (MST) From: MMoore@mbs.ednet.ns.ca Received: from [142.227.148.14] by mbs.EDnet.ns.ca with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:15:53 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Nordstrom Cleaner Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:15:53 -0500 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MMoore@mbs.ednet.ns.ca Thanks to everyone. If the Nordstrom product is just Zout repackaged I will pick that up instead. It's not available here in eastern Canada and after hearing it so highly recommended I picked some up on a swing south last year. My apologies for the slow response but I end up reading the list off line due to limited access. Thanks for all the advice, Mark _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 21 11:01:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22559 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:01:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05953; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:19:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07081 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:17:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.196]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07074 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:17:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ERYC5DLJ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:17:43 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Making rose beads Message-ID: <19991121.085224.4783.8.cley@juno.com> References: <199911120015.SAA22583@cdale3.midwest.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-7 From: cynthia j ley Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:17:43 EST Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: cynthia j ley Could someone please re-pst directions for making beads out of rose petals? I accidently deleted it! :( Many thanks, Arlys ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 21 13:36:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22704 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:36:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18233; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:54:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25873 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:53:47 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25867 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:53:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02841 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:53:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-58-92.lightspeed.net [209.165.58.92]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28486 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:53:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <02bb01bf345c$44086660$7c49fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Fw: H-COST: beads Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:09:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" ----- Original Message ----- From: StitchWitch To: Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 8:52 AM Subject: Re: H-COST: beads > > -Poster: "StitchWitch" > > > > How do you make beads from rose petals? > > At last! A question I know the answer to! *Happy Dance* > > *ahem* > > I've found a lot of variation in different recipies, but here is a basic for > making rose petal clay, from which you make rose petal beads. (I'm also > available for panels to teach how to work with the stuff, if anyone is > interested.) > > First, get a whole lotta rose petals. Fresh is best, but dried can work if > you re-hydrate them. > > Grind up the petals in a blender, into a fine mush. > > Next, in an iron skillet (which conducts the heat properly, and adds a touch > of color) put the mush and a bit of water in, and start to lightly simmer. > Do not bring to a boil, as burnt petals just smell nasty. Cook this mush > until it turns dark and the water is mostly cooked off. If the water cooks > off before the right color is reached, add more, and KEEP STIRRING! > > When the mush is ready, scoop out of the skillet and allow it to cool. Then, > take a morter and pestle (or whatever you can use to really grind with) and > get ready to have the best work-out your arms have ever had. > > When the mush is ground into a workable clay, you can form beads from it. I > usually go for the basic round bead, but you can use forms to press the clay > into shapes if you like. String the formed beads (carefully, so as not to > de-form them) onto a string or thin wire. > > Once strung, find a warm, dry area to hang them up and let them dry > completely. Be sure and turn them once a day, so they won't stick to the > string and crumble when you remove them. After three or four days, they > should be ready to string into a necklace, or whatever you like. > > Once dry, the beads may be polished, for a more finished look, or left > rough. If you want to add more rose scent to the beads, take some rose > essential oil, and put it into the clay as you are making the beads. You may > also add a small amount of oil to re-scent dried beads, but be careful not > to add too much. The beads may start to crumble if you do. > Also, store them well protected from small critters, as they are a tasty > munch for anything that likes to nosh on organic matter. > > Please note, if you don't have time to do all this at once, you can, at any > point, put the rose mush/clay into the freezer and start up again with it > when you have time. > > I have lots more info, so please let me know if you'd like me to dig it out > for y'all. Also, there are some good web pages on the subject, just a quick > click from any of your favorite search engines. > > Kate > ---- > StitchWitch > > In our play we reveal what kind of people we are. - Ovid, c.e. 8 > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com > Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 21 13:38:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22708 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:38:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18389; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:56:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26143 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:56:15 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26133 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:56:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03460 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:56:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-58-92.lightspeed.net [209.165.58.92]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29762 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:56:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <02cd01bf345c$9c7656e0$7c49fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Fw: H-COST: beads Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:11:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" ----- Original Message ----- From: Amanda Reeves To: Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 7:55 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: beads > > -Poster: "Amanda Reeves" > > From: Dogpatch USA Cookbook, Dogpatch Receipts, Superstitions of the Ozarks > and Hill Country Remedies. > > "To make a string of rose beads place 1 3/4 cups flour, 4 tablespoons salt > in a bowl and add water, a little at a time to make a smooth dough. Press 3 > cups finely chopped rose petals into the dough. Flour a bread board and > roll dough 1/4 inch thick. Cut with thimble. Roll each circle in palm of > hand to form a smooth bead. String on wire (thin) and hang finished strands > in dark place to dry. Move often to keep from sticking. Add a little food > coloring if more color is desired. Moonbeam likes glitter beads of gold > strung with her rose beads." > > Rose beads will make those who wear them healthy and lucky. > > > > Amanda > > ---------- > > From: Heather > > To: h-costume@indra.com > > Subject: Re: H-COST: beads > > Date: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 6:28 PM > > > > -Poster: "Heather" > > > > > At last! A question I know the answer to! *Happy Dance* > > > > I'll have to try this way. It sounds a easier than the way I learned. > > > > Simmer rose petals in rose water for about 30 minutes. Just tear the > petals > > up and throw them in the water. You'll need a lot; 2 cups does about > enough > > for one bracelet. After 30 minutes, turn off the heat and let it soak for > 24 > > hours. Repeat the simmering for 3-4 days, adding rose water as needed. > One > > the last day, drain well and shape as Kate said. They shrink to about > half > > the size, so you'll want to make them big. They smell nice and the kids > like > > making them, but they are fairly ugly. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 21 13:46:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22719 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:46:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18866; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:04:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27010 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:04:49 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27005 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:04:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07813 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:04:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-58-92.lightspeed.net [209.165.58.92]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05941 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:04:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <031101bf345d$ce7f10e0$7c49fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: References: <199911120015.SAA22583@cdale3.midwest.net> <19991121.085224.4783.8.cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Making rose beads Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:20:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" > Could someone please re-pst directions for making beads out of rose > petals? I accidently deleted it! :( > > Arlys I wasn't sure which one you wanted so...while I was looking, I found 2. Also, some time back I posted a detailed description on sca-garb. If you want more on the topic, let me know and I will look for that one too. Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 21 20:03:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23221 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:03:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25241; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12187 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:20:38 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bigred.unl.edu (00217146@bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12178 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:20:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA07825 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:25:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:25:33 -0600 (CST) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Making rose beads In-Reply-To: <031101bf345d$ce7f10e0$7c49fea9@gunsafes> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> > > Could someone please re-pst directions for making beads out of rose > > petals? I accidently deleted it! :( > > > > Arlys > > I wasn't sure which one you wanted so...while I was looking, I found 2. > Also, some time back I posted a detailed description on sca-garb. If > you want more on the topic, let me know and I will look for that one too. > Michelle And, as somebody else pointed out, a simple web search turns up lots of other recipes. Emma _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 21 20:35:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23235 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:35:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28141; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:53:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16414 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:52:02 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.196]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16402 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ERZDW65U; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:51:03 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Making rose beads Message-ID: <19991121.182539.4783.2.cley@juno.com> References: <199911120015.SAA22583@cdale3.midwest.net> <19991121.085224.4783.8.cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3,5-10,13-16 From: cynthia j ley Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:51:03 EST Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: cynthia j ley >I wasn't sure which one you wanted so...while I was looking, I found 2. > Also, some time back I posted a detailed description on sca-garb. If >you want more on the topic, let me know and I will look for that one too. >Michelle Please, please! :-) Thanks to everyone for sending me the recipes. We just bought a house with lots of rose bushes! There will be more by the time I get done with it. ;) Arlys ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 21 20:50:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23264 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:50:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29887; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:08:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18618 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:08:54 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18610 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:08:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (216-164-48-126.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com [216.164.48.126]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id WAA21610 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:08:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <016801bf3497$43489700$0200a8c0@pavilion> From: "Megan McHugh" To: Subject: H-COST: Re: The Costume Institute and my trip to NYC Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:11:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Megan McHugh" I went to NYC this past weekend, for the first time in several years. I actually went to Greenberg & Hammer, in person! What a great little shop. More buttons than anyplace I've ever seen. I got several pounds of quarter-inch boning, for my corset experiments this winter. I saw Wellner? fabrics - where the cheapest thing in the store appeared to be $50/yard, and my eye was caught by some bronze lace - at a mere $150/yd I didn't get to bring any home, but just seeing it was great. My disappointment was that I went to the Metropolitan Museum of Art, and wanted to go to the costume institute in the basement for the victorian clothing exhibit, which my catalog said was open until the 21st. It had closed on the 17th. So I had to content myself with getting a book from the shop, and seeing a leather men's doublet that is displayed in the armor section. First time I've actually seen a 500 year old piece of clothing. My husband and I also went to the Cloisters. Wonderful place. Anyone who goes to NY please go there - it is full of treasures such as the Unicorn tapestries! Just wonderful!!!! We had such a good time actually going to these places I had only read about, and I heartily recommend it. Just be sure to leave some room in your luggage to bring back all the stuff you buy!!!!!!!!! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 21 23:36:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23392 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:36:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13952; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:53:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08238 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:51:25 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08227 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:51:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07839 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:51:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-184.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.184]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14074 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:51:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <007501bf34af$c2bc3a60$92eafea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: H-COST: Fw: Re: [SCA-U] Rose beads Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:06:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" ----- Original Message ----- From: Michelle To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [SCA-U] Rose beads (fwd) > I have made rose beads and lilac beads. I have seen or have copies of a > couple of different recipes. I am not sure of the periodness of them > though. > The easiest way I found to make them was: > Grind petals (just petals) in a food processor. Petals will be lumpy > but ground. Put them in a lightly covered container. Be sure that there is > some air, otherwise your petals will mold but, not so much air that you > cause them to dry out. Once a day for a week, take your petals out and grind > them some more. At the end of a one week period, the petals should be a > clay-like consistency. If not, a few more days may be necessary. Before > forming balls/beads, to make them a bit more aromatic you can add some > essential oil. I did, and it helped. > Roll your clay-like mixture into balls twice the size of the size you > want. Pierce them with 'T' pins and stab the pins into a cork board. As > they dry, manipulate them on the pin. Rotate to keep from sticking and > adjust roundness of bead. Manipulation can only be done in the early parts > of the dying stage, otherwise, they will crack and wont go back together. > They should take a few weeks to thoroughly dry. Once the outside is dry you > can remove from them from the pin and allow to dry in an open area. > > I can look up the recipes if you want. After trial and error this is what > worked best for me. The recipes called for iron skillets. (keeping the > petal mixture in there and grinding with a mortor and pestal. I had a > problem with rust and the food processor made for less wear on my wrists.) > It doesn't matter what color the petals are to start. Once they > deteriorate they turn a brownish-black. This will be the color of your > bead. > > Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 22 03:33:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27000 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 03:33:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27072; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 02:47:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28639 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 02:46:54 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28632 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 02:46:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JIMTPLE35C0076P8@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:46:42 GMT Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JIMTPKLDYA007JDW@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:46:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 22 Nov 99 09:44:30 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44) ; 22 Nov 99 09:44:05 GMT0BST Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.126) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 22 Nov 99 09:44:01 GMT0BST Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:44:01 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... In-reply-to: <199911200325.UAA23183@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 > The Art of Manipulation Fabric > By Colette Wolff > ISBN 0-8019-8496-3 > 1996 > Chilton Book Co. Many thanks for the suggestions of checking this book. I've just requested it from our campus that does fabric arts courses, but I think I looked at it when it was bought and came through here for cataloguing, and the version of organ-pipe pleats disn't seem applicable. Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 22 07:35:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27364 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:35:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA06008; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 06:52:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16151 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 06:52:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from deliverator.io.com (root@deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16142 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 06:52:08 -0700 (MST) From: ches@io.com Received: from fnord.io.com (IDENT:ches@fnord.io.com [199.170.88.12]) by deliverator.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10888 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:52:03 -0600 Received: from localhost (ches@localhost) by fnord.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA27514 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:52:03 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: fnord.io.com: ches owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:52:03 -0600 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Making rose beads In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: ches@io.com Cool, then for those that do not have web access please post those URL's so that when they have the opportunity to go to a library they can look it up. In the mean time if you can post the instructions I am sure they will just as greatful. PLEASE remember not every one has web access!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sincerely, F. Havas ches@io.com On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Emma Elizabeth Lehman wrote: > Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:25:33 -0600 (CST) > From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: Making rose beads > > > -Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> > > > > > Could someone please re-pst directions for making beads out of rose > > > petals? I accidently deleted it! :( > > > > > > Arlys > > > > I wasn't sure which one you wanted so...while I was looking, I found 2. > > Also, some time back I posted a detailed description on sca-garb. If > > you want more on the topic, let me know and I will look for that one too. > > Michelle > > And, as somebody else pointed out, a simple web search turns up lots of > other recipes. > > Emma > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 22 10:11:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27633 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:11:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24289; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:28:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16768 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:25:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bigred.unl.edu (00217146@bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16757 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:25:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA31398 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:30:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:30:47 -0600 (CST) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Making rose beads In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> > -Poster: ches@io.com > > Cool, then for those that do not have web access please post those URL's > so that when they have the opportunity to go to a library they can look it > up. In the mean time if you can post the instructions I am sure they will > just as greatful. > > PLEASE remember not every one has web access!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aah, terribly sorry! A bad assumption on my part. Here are a few from google: http://www.spiritonline.com/gallery/crafts/beadsrose.html http://markw.com/rosebeads.htm http://www.i-depth.com/P/d/d00004.frm.yl-crafts.msg/14.html http://www.nfobase.com/html/rose_beads.htm http://www.mindspring.com/~maclain/southdowns/phoenix/Articles/rosebeads.html http://www.nactx.com/country/rose.htm http://www.pathcom.com/~newmoon/cont5.htm http://www.mtsu.edu/~kgregg/dmir/14/rose_beads.html http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~mukluk/rose.html http://www.roo.com/archive/rope.htm http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/rose_gardening/6927/latest/11 Hope this is helpful Emma _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 22 10:41:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27643 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:41:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00436; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:57:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25341 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:57:13 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25302 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:57:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JIN8QY6VKG0076P8@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:56:53 GMT Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JIN8QXY5Y00075YD@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:56:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 22 Nov 99 16:54:42 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44) ; 22 Nov 99 16:54:15 GMT0BST Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.126) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 22 Nov 99 16:54:10 GMT0BST Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:54:09 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: H-COST: Mis-matched sleeves In-reply-to: <199911221626.JAA16931@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 Hi all, Can anyone point me at paintings, illustrations etc that support the concept of "mismatched sleeves" for 14th and/or 15th century women. I've heard/read various things about one sleeve being elaborately decorated and embroidered, and the other and that this may have been so that the lady could give her sleeve as a "favour" to a gentleman. I've also read (somewhere) that with one sleeve gone the other would still have been worn, possibly paired up with another sleeve which had lost its partner as a "favour". I *know* I've seen some pictures of women with mismatched sleeves (different fabrics, or one more highly decorated than the other) or one sleeve missing, but I can't remember where. It wasn't something I was looking for a tt he time, and now that I need it, I can't think where to start looking Can anyone help? Thanks Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 22 10:57:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27650 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:57:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03833; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:14:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00312 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:14:20 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from email.boisestate.edu (email.boisestate.edu [132.178.16.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00305 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:14:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from cobfac.boisestate.edu (cobfac.boisestate.edu [132.178.176.101]) by email.boisestate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06882 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:16:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199911221716.KAA06882@email.boisestate.edu> Received: from COBFAC/SpoolDir by cobfac.boisestate.edu (Mercury 1.44); 22 Nov 99 10:14:14 -0700 Received: from SpoolDir by COBFAC (Mercury 1.44); 22 Nov 99 10:14:02 -0700 From: "Linda Yordy" Organization: College of Business & Economics To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:13:57 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: Mis-matched sleeves Priority: normal References: <199911221626.JAA16931@net.indra.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Linda Yordy" > I've heard/read various things about one sleeve being elaborately > decorated and embroidered Hi Teddy! Jacqueline Herald mentions that the Italian ladys use to decorate the left sleeve with heraldic or fanciful ornaments. She uses the "Portrait of a Lady in Yellow" by Alessio Baldovinetti as an example. She also mentions a painting by Cranach, I believe it was Mary Magdalene, who had a Phoenix embroidered with pearls and jewels. She also mentions wardrobe accounts listing single sleeves under the heading of jewelry. The book is "Renaissance Dress in Italy 1400-1500," Humanities Press, 1981. Hope that helps! Linda Yordy Phone: 208/426-4034 Boise State University Center for Management Development 1910 University Drive Boise, ID 83725-1660 ******************************************************** Yordy's Law #3: When wearing white, apply your lunch directly to your shirt -- it will end up there anyway. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 22 14:30:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28000 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:30:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09170; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:46:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27366 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:43:41 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ionet.net (deanq@mail.ionet.net [206.41.128.16]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27334 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:43:36 -0700 (MST) From: deanq@ionet.net Received: (from deanq@localhost) by ionet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA03326; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:43:24 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:43:24 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199911222043.OAA03326@ionet.net> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Grommet placement in corset Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: deanq@ionet.net I am just about finished boning my first corset. I used the corset generator on the Elizabethan costuming page and am about ready to put the grommetts in. The diagrams show boning right up close to each side of the center back. I am using 1/2 metal stays, so my grommets would be 1/2 inch away from the edge. The instructions say they should be at least 1/2 inch away. . .but I am getting an uneasy feeling about it. Any words of wisdom or warnings??? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 22 14:49:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28070 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:49:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12076; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:06:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03458 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:06:23 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03446 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:06:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20901 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:06:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-242.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.242]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21427 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:06:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001301bf352f$94b52de0$f99dfea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: References: <199911222043.OAA03326@ionet.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Grommet placement in corset Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:21:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" > -Poster: deanq@ionet.net >I am > using 1/2 metal stays, so my grommets would be 1/2 inch away from the edge. > The instructions say they should be at least 1/2 inch away. . .but I am getting > an uneasy feeling about it. Any words of wisdom or warnings??? If you don't put any reinforcement along that edge it will probably ripple. I want to caution you about putting grommets or eyelets in until it is adjusted exactly how you want it. A line of stitching you can take out, a hole you cannot. What prompted me to give advice is from my experience with boning the back. I used metal bones, made from a band saw blade, in the corset I made last. While we were fitting it, my mom and I noticed how the back of the corset stuck out at the top. It didn't follow the natural curve on my upper back. When we put my bodice on over it, the bones held the corset and bodice out, away from my back. It looked really dumb. I thought about making the bones shorter, so that they just went part way up my back but then realized that my eyelets wouldn't get support. What I ended up doing is putting a double thickness of horsehair braid up the boning channels. That allowed it to follow the curve of my back and support the pull on the eyelets. Only the front has the metal bones, to flatten my breasts. Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 22 14:55:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28099 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:55:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13190; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:13:41 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05233 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:13:29 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05204 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:13:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:13:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1F176F2C2977D311B3300090270E637837AD7A@scl-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: H-COST: RE: Gypsy dress Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:13:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cynthia Barnes > Caravaggio's "The Fortune Teller", 1594-95 - Caravaggio's gypsy is dressed > in a high neck chemise instead of the more typical chemise dress. You might also look at a Georges de la Tour painting by the same name approx 1630. There are several other of his that are related. National Portrait Gallery, Smithsonian, Wash DC did a GdlT exhibit that went on tour through out the US several years ago (it was at the Met, too). You might find the catalog in your local library. I bought it. A beautiful work collecting, comparing & contrasting many works of the Candlelight masters. --cin Cynthia Barnes 408.570.1023 Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com Phoenix Technologies 411 E. Plumeria Dr. San Jose CA 95134 "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 22 15:24:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28248 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:24:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17303; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:41:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13322 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:41:18 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from apollo.directcon.net (IDENT:root@apollo.directcon.net [206.170.184.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13303 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:41:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p20.directcon.net [206.170.184.69]) by apollo.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA01162 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:39:32 -0800 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:39:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199911222139.NAA01162@apollo.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST:Gold Rush Costume Webpage Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Margo Anderson At last, I have finished the text of my Gold Rush Costume webpage. I'd like to break it down into sections and add a ton of illustrations, but the likelihood of my getting to it this century is nil, so I decided to put it up as is. Let me know what you think! It's at http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm Margo Anderson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 22 15:24:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28252 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:24:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17223; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:41:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13194 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:40:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13185 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:40:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA25390 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA23507 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:41:31 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:41:31 -0500 (EST) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Grommet placement in corset In-Reply-To: <199911222043.OAA03326@ionet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: aleed "by "1/2 inch away", I mean the center of the grommet...I should clarify that in the instructions. In one corset I made, I had a 1/2 inch wide stay on either side of the opening and the grommets on the outside of each, with the grommet hole butted up against the edge of the stay. It was very secure. If you have boning between the grommet and edge, you should be fine. Drea On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 deanq@ionet.net wrote: > > -Poster: deanq@ionet.net > > I am just about finished boning my first corset. I used the corset generator > on the Elizabethan costuming page and am about ready to put the grommetts in. > The diagrams show boning right up close to each side of the center back. I am > using 1/2 metal stays, so my grommets would be 1/2 inch away from the edge. > The instructions say they should be at least 1/2 inch away. . .but I am getting > an uneasy feeling about it. Any words of wisdom or warnings??? > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 22 16:18:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28354 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:18:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24373; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:35:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27596 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:34:54 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27551; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:34:48 -0700 (MST) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.13b9204e (4011); Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:34:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.13b9204e.256b1ee2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:34:10 EST Subject: H-COST: Great Fabric Outlet in East Bay! To: h-costume@indra.com, vintage@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com Dear List, I thought I had posted this, but cannot find a trace of it in my sent e-mails, so decided it could never hurt to provide the information again. DISCOUNT FABRICS, one of the BEST fabric outlets in SF, is now open in Oakland, at 17th and Harrison. It's actually on Harrison, just down from 17th Street. The fabric prices are reasonable, and go down if you buy by the bolt. It is a warehouse, so whatever they have, they have, but they have a lot, especially of luscious and exotic fabrics with which to make costumey goodies. Right now some exquisite imported silk brocades are on sale. Enjoy shopping! angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume & Clothing Design "What fates impose, that men must needs abide; It boots not to resist both wind and tide." King Henry VI, Part III, IV, iii - W. Shakespeare QUICK-LINK: http://come.to/costumes FULL URL: http://sj.znet.com/~thespian/angil/index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 22 16:31:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28372 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:31:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25920; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:47:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01270 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:47:43 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from snowball.excite.com (snowball-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.116]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01242 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:47:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from bucky.excite.com ([199.172.152.80]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991122224620.MCVF6196.gigi.excite.com@bucky.excite.com> for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:46:20 -0800 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Great Fabric Outlet in East Bay! Message-Id: <943310780.11227.695@excite.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:46:20 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "StitchWitch" > DISCOUNT FABRICS, one of the BEST fabric outlets in SF, is now open in > Oakland, at 17th and Harrison. It's actually on Harrison, just down from > 17th Street. Oh, you would! Here I am, trying to stick to some sort of budget, and there you go, tempting me with outlet prices on my favorite addiction. (Well, next to chocolate, but it's close.) And I'm going to be in the area over the Thanksgiving weekend, so there goes all hope. *stamps foot* By the way, would you happen to know if they have fabrics suitable for Medieval Spain . . . ? Kate ---- StitchWitch In our play we reveal what kind of people we are. - Ovid, c.e. 8 ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 22 16:42:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28382 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:42:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27034; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:54:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03007 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:54:18 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.196]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02995 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:54:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ER3JPFGS; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:52:41 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Mis-matched sleeves Message-ID: <19991122.142733.4783.3.cley@juno.com> References: <199911221626.JAA16931@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-10 From: cynthia j ley Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:52:41 EST Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: cynthia j ley An SCA friend of mine did her Laurel elevation gown, Italian in style, with mismatched sleeves. The ground fabric was the same, but the embellishment she did on top of it was amazing. As her personal heraldry features a sun in splendor and a night sky full of stars, she embroidered the sun on one sleeve and beaded the other for the stars. Absolutely gorgeous! Arlys ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 22 17:00:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28467 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:00:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29639; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:16:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09492 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:16:17 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA09483 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:16:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.19.1.106] ([172.19.1.106]) by mail.cho.org; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:15:59 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <943310780.11227.695@excite.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:16:54 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: H-COST: Great Fabric Outlet in East Bay! Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lynn Downward >-Poster: "StitchWitch" > > >> DISCOUNT FABRICS, one of the BEST fabric outlets in SF, is now open in >> Oakland, at 17th and Harrison. It's actually on Harrison, just down from >> 17th Street. > >Oh, you would! Here I am, trying to stick to some sort of budget, and there >you go, tempting me with outlet prices on my favorite addiction. (Well, next >to chocolate, but it's close.) And I'm going to be in the area over the >Thanksgiving weekend, so there goes all hope. *stamps foot* >By the way, would you happen to know if they have fabrics suitable for >Medieval Spain . . . ? > >Kate >---- >StitchWitch > >In our play we reveal what kind of people we are. - Ovid, c.e. 8 You'll have to check you likes/dislikes yourself but they had some lightweight brocades when I was in there last - forest green, burgundy, deep blue, you know the sort. They carry silks at a pretty good price, and their linen prices are pretty good too. This store isn't as good for trims as I remember the ones on Haight and on Irving are, but the people are really nice. Do not look for patterns; they have one or two old pattern books for reference but their pattern supply is very spotty. They're selling out what patterns they have and won't be replacing them (Simplicity only, IIRC). I had lots of fun in there the several times I've gone. The first time I went they had all wools on sale 33% off all marked prices and less for the full bolt than for yardage. I ended up spending about $45 for 10 yards of beautiful burgundy suit weight wool. I don't know their holiday hours, but they are closed on Sundays. LynnD _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 22 17:37:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28542 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:37:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04971; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:53:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19409 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:52:50 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1 ([204.86.241.250]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA19381 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:52:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail1 with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.00.28 AS-1409036) for at Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:23:52 -0800 Received: by HHSMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:34:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1D0F5BB98E98D311B17E0008C75D0B3A03EC0E@HHSMAIL> From: "Bergdahl, Stephen" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST:Gold Rush Costume Webpage Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:34:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Bergdahl, Stephen" Margo, just read it and it is very good. Most enjoyable and informative. But I have one small point, and I will admit to being picky here. You said, "Suspenders were made of sturdy cloth, woven tape with leather ends with buttonholes which fastened to buttons on the trousers. Ladies sometimes made them in Berlin work, similar to needlepoint." Berlin work is needlepoint. The term "Berlin work" describes the charts that were printed in Germany and imported all over. So if a woman was doing "Berlin work" she was doing needlepoint with a German chart. I know a small point, but needlework is one of the most misunderstood of the needle arts. Yours Stephen Bergdahl -----Original Message----- From: Margo Anderson [mailto:margo@directcon.net] Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 1:40 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST:Gold Rush Costume Webpage -Poster: Margo Anderson At last, I have finished the text of my Gold Rush Costume webpage. I'd like to break it down into sections and add a ton of illustrations, but the likelihood of my getting to it this century is nil, so I decided to put it up as is. Let me know what you think! It's at http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm Margo Anderson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 22 18:05:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28565 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:05:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08611; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:21:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26748 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:21:24 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from squealer.excite.com ([199.172.153.143]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26733 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:21:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.excite.com ([199.172.152.79]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991123002006.NEIA19682.kuku.excite.com@flash.excite.com> for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:20:06 -0800 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Great Fabric Outlet in East Bay! Message-Id: <943316406.22530.329@excite.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:20:06 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "StitchWitch" *snip* > first time I went they had all wools on sale 33% off all marked prices and > less for the full bolt than for yardage. I ended up spending about $45 for > 10 yards of beautiful burgundy suit weight wool. > > I don't know their holiday hours, but they are closed on Sundays. Thank you, thank you. Y'all are not helping my budget one little bit, thank you! ;) Kate ---- StitchWitch In our play we reveal what kind of people we are. - Ovid, c.e. 8 ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 07:32:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00567 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:32:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA08915; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 06:49:41 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04882 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 06:48:35 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04869 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 06:48:33 -0700 (MST) From: WendiRae@aol.com Received: from WendiRae@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.895dfd06 (4543) for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:47:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.895dfd06.256bf50a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:47:54 EST Subject: H-COST: French Bustle Help To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: WendiRae@aol.com I am trying to put a French Bustle into my wedding gown, does anyone know of any good websites that can help or offer advice? Thanks, Wendi _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 08:31:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00666 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:31:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15481; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:48:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15104 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:48:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15087 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:48:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JIOIJLVWZK007ZNR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:48:15 GMT Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JIOIJKBRSU007ZOC@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:48:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 23 Nov 99 14:45:51 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44) ; 23 Nov 99 14:45:24 GMT0BST Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.126) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 23 Nov 99 14:45:24 GMT0BST Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:45:24 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: Re: H-COST: Mis-matched sleeves In-reply-to: <199911231349.GAA04986@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 Hi Linda > > I've heard/read various things about one sleeve being elaborately > > decorated and embroidered > > Hi Teddy! > Jacqueline Herald mentions that the Italian ladys use to decorate the > left sleeve with heraldic or fanciful ornaments. Thanks! Straight to the book I got it from in the first place. I'll have to borrow it again so I can show my friend. She's just started costuming, is just learning clothing construction is interested in Italian styles and has the patience for embroidery (any patience for hand sewing is alien to my nature....). We made her an ivory damask Italian Ren. Back lacing, low rounded neckline with seperate sleeves split up the back (sleeveless red/ivory boracade V necked overgown to go with it) We had enough ivory fabric left for an extra sleeve, so drew out the shape on the fabric and she took it away to "embelish" She outlined all the woven pattern in various colours and filled in a lot of the "leaves" with different stitches. It looks great and I said I'd see if I could dicg up some doccumentation for having one sleeve decorated Thanks for your help Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 08:38:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00676 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:38:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA16052; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:55:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16355 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:55:20 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bodyguard.apsc.com (bodyguard.apsc.com [137.91.114.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA16344 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:55:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhub.apsc.com (mailhub.apsc.commailhub.apsc.com [137.91.1.30]) by apsc.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA24746 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:09:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from nt219.apsc.com (nt219.apsc.com [137.91.1.75]) by mailhub.apsc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA21334 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 06:29:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by nt219.apsc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 06:30:02 -0700 Message-ID: <7F402D0574C3D011ACF000A0C92B23D3025E10EA@nt13pv.apsc.com> From: "Knauf, Saragrace T(Z02001)" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: Metal Stays for corset Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 06:29:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Knauf, Saragrace T(Z02001)" I am using pieces of 1/2 metal stay intended for hoop skirts. I have protected the ends with those little metal pieces that you pound on. That seems to be working well, but I have two questions: The metal seems a little stiff for the sides (front bottom is nice and flat)where the tabs are. I have been successful in modifying the parts where I want it to curve around my breast(this is for a German 1540's silhouette-{I know!!! They didn't really wear corsets!!!})by using metal on the bottom and a double layer of ridgeline on top-but I was wondering about the bottom. Do most people just use stays that bend a lot more, or have I missed something? Second question. I tried using that plastic dip stuff for protecting the bottom. This type of stay has to 1/16" metal running down both sides encased in fabric which appears to be stiffened. I can't seem to get much protection with the plastic dip (So far I've only dipped once each-I'm just curious if anyone else has had the same problem). Thanks to those who responded to my earlier question. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 08:46:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00686 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:46:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17057; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:03:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18065 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:03:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from deliverator.io.com (root@deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18048 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:03:31 -0700 (MST) From: ches@io.com Received: from fnord.io.com (IDENT:ches@fnord.io.com [199.170.88.12]) by deliverator.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15425 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:03:26 -0600 Received: from localhost (ches@localhost) by fnord.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA14994 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:03:25 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: fnord.io.com: ches owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:03:25 -0600 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: French Bustle Help In-Reply-To: <0.895dfd06.256bf50a@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: ches@io.com If you do not find one let me know. I saved some info from someone's website years ago and the site is now gone. I will share the pictures with you and the text so long as it is not put back on the web. I have not been able to find the owner to ask permission for it to be put back up for her. :( It has been about 2 years. Sincerely, F. Havas ches@io.com On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 WendiRae@aol.com wrote: > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:47:54 EST > From: WendiRae@aol.com > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > To: h-costume-digest@indra.com > Subject: H-COST: French Bustle Help > > > -Poster: WendiRae@aol.com > > I am trying to put a French Bustle into my wedding gown, does anyone know of > any good websites that can help or offer advice? > > Thanks, > Wendi > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 09:02:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00746 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:02:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18878; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:19:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21281 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:19:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from eclipse.pacifier.com (eclipse.pacifier.com [199.2.117.78]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21271 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:19:02 -0700 (MST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip154.van17.pacifier.com [216.65.137.154]) by eclipse.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.3pop) with SMTP id HAA25988 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:18:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911231518.HAA25988@eclipse.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:16:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: Mis-matched sleeves Priority: normal References: <199911231349.GAA04986@net.indra.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > > > I've heard/read various things about one sleeve being elaborately > > > decorated and embroidered > > > > Hi Teddy! > > Jacqueline Herald mentions that the Italian ladys use to decorate the > > left sleeve with heraldic or fanciful ornaments. In Lightbown's Medieval European Jewelry he shows some German women with the *right* sleeve ornamented. The Italians seemed to have done the left while the Germans did the right. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 09:18:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00765 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:18:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20741; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:35:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24817 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:35:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from email.boisestate.edu (email.boisestate.edu [132.178.16.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24798 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:35:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from cobfac.boisestate.edu (cobfac.boisestate.edu [132.178.176.101]) by email.boisestate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13058 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:37:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199911231537.IAA13058@email.boisestate.edu> Received: from COBFAC/SpoolDir by cobfac.boisestate.edu (Mercury 1.44); 23 Nov 99 08:35:08 -0700 Received: from SpoolDir by COBFAC (Mercury 1.44); 23 Nov 99 08:34:33 -0700 From: "Linda Yordy" Organization: College of Business & Economics To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:34:28 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: Mis-matched sleeves Priority: normal References: <199911231349.GAA04986@net.indra.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Linda Yordy" > Thanks! Straight to the book I got it from in the first place. I'll have > to borrow it again so I can show my friend. Hi again Teddy! Glad that helped out. > We made her an ivory damask Italian Ren. Back lacing, low > rounded neckline with seperate sleeves split up the back > (sleeveless red/ivory boracade V necked overgown to go with it) Sounds nice. I'd like to make myself another Italian Ren with an embellished sleeve. The Society for Creative Anachronism just passed my arms, so I'd like to embroidered a sleeve with my heraldic device. > She outlined all the woven pattern in various colours and filled in a > lot of the "leaves" with different stitches. It looks great Ahh, to have the time to sit and embroider ;-) I'm off to Denver for the Thanksgiving holiday. I'm trying to talk my boyfriend into stopping at Denver Fabrics while we're there. They had some wonderful brocades on sale when we were there last. And they have a whole wall of buttons! Hope all is well! Linda Yordy Phone: 208/426-4034 Boise State University Center for Management Development 1910 University Drive Boise, ID 83725-1660 ******************************************************** Yordy's Law #3: When wearing white, apply your lunch directly to your shirt -- it will end up there anyway. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 09:33:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00776 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:33:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22227; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:49:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28223 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:49:20 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from email.boisestate.edu (email.boisestate.edu [132.178.16.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28204 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:49:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from cobfac.boisestate.edu (cobfac.boisestate.edu [132.178.176.101]) by email.boisestate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18942 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:51:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199911231551.IAA18942@email.boisestate.edu> Received: from COBFAC/SpoolDir by cobfac.boisestate.edu (Mercury 1.44); 23 Nov 99 08:49:12 -0700 Received: from SpoolDir by COBFAC (Mercury 1.44); 23 Nov 99 08:49:06 -0700 From: "Linda Yordy" Organization: College of Business & Economics To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:49:01 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: Mis-matched sleeves Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199911231518.HAA25988@eclipse.pacifier.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Linda Yordy" > In Lightbown's Medieval European Jewelry he shows some German women > with the *right* sleeve ornamented. The Italians seemed to have done > the left while the Germans did the right. Hi Kat! Was this during the same time period? 1460s-1500? Do you have more info on the book you mentioned. I did a search on Amazon.com and it didn't come up with it. Thanks! Linda Yordy Phone: 208/426-4034 Boise State University Center for Management Development 1910 University Drive Boise, ID 83725-1660 ******************************************************** Yordy's Law #3: When wearing white, apply your lunch directly to your shirt -- it will end up there anyway. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 09:47:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00787 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:47:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24400; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:04:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02120 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:04:22 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vega.utulsa.edu (vega.utulsa.edu [129.244.1.81]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02113 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:04:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from mcfref55 (ref08.utulsa.edu) by vega.utulsa.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with SMTP id <0FLN00J4TRB7ZB@vega.utulsa.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:04:19 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:14:57 -0600 From: Marc Carlson Subject: H-COST: Footwear of the Middle Ages X-Sender: marc-carlson@pop.utulsa.edu To: medieval-leather@egroups.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com, ansteorra@ansteorra.org, SCA-UNIVERSITAS@LIST.UVM.EDU Message-id: <3.0.6.32.19991123101457.0079f8c0@pop.utulsa.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Marc Carlson For those who are interested, the website Footwear of the Middle Ages has moved to "http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe/SHOEHOME.HTM" Please feel free to pass it on. Marc Carlson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 09:59:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00796 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:59:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25955; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:16:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05305 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:15:56 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from eclipse.pacifier.com (eclipse.pacifier.com [199.2.117.78]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05293 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:15:54 -0700 (MST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip217.van18.pacifier.com [216.65.137.217]) by eclipse.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.3pop) with SMTP id IAA11861 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:15:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911231615.IAA11861@eclipse.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:13:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: Mis-matched sleeves Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199911231551.IAA18942@email.boisestate.edu> References: <199911231518.HAA25988@eclipse.pacifier.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > > In Lightbown's Medieval European Jewelry he shows some German women > > with the *right* sleeve ornamented. The Italians seemed to have done > > the left while the Germans did the right. > Was this during the same time period? 1460s-1500? Figure 137 is 1460 and shows the L on a German lady. Plates 118 and 119 are on the R, 1500. These last 2 are in the color section. > Do you have more info on the book you mentioned. I did a search > on Amazon.com and it didn't come up with it. ISBN 0-948107-87-1. It's out of print and very hard to find used. I know people who have been looking for nearly a year and haven't found it. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 12:12:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01059 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:12:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16728; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:27:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12363 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:25:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.nightowl.net (mail.nightowl.net [207.124.43.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12351 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:25:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (robin@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by mail.nightowl.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA22074 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:34:54 -0600 Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA26162 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:31:06 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:31:05 -0600 (EST) From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Mis-matched sleeves In-Reply-To: <199911231615.IAA11861@eclipse.pacifier.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Robin Netherton On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > > In Lightbown's Medieval European Jewelry he shows some German women > > > with the *right* sleeve ornamented. The Italians seemed to have done > > > the left while the Germans did the right. > > > Was this during the same time period? 1460s-1500? > > Figure 137 is 1460 and shows the L on a German lady. Plates 118 and > 119 are on the R, 1500. These last 2 are in the color section. I haven't seen these, but I'd immediately be alert as to the possibilty of directional reversal that may have occurred at some time in the publications process. If the image in your book is a photoreproduction of a painting or other non-print art from the period, you're *probably* OK. If it's an engraving or etching (from any period), it could have been flipped left-to-right in the course of creating the plate from an artist's original drawing and then printing with it. If it's a modern redrawing, it could have been copied from an engraving (and thus the redrawing will preserve the flip). So, if there was engraving or etching used at any point in the process of carrying this image from 1500 to now, directionals are suspect. I've seen cases in which a 19th-century costume book (before photography could be used in printing) used an engraving to show a costume seen in a painting. Then a 20th century costume book includes a redrawing of that engraving, but cites the image as being based on a painting -- without noting that the image is still switched left-to-right. Even modern photographs aren't completely safe; they can be flipped over in the process of bookmaking (sometimes intentionally, sometimes not). In my days as a typesetter, we used the word "flopped" to describe an image that had a left-to-right reversal. ("Reversed," in printing, means change black-on-white to white-on-black, like a photo negative.) We flop images all the time in newspapers and magazines when we're putting together an illustrative or artistic layout -- you don't want the person in a photograph or drawing facing off the page if you can help it. (But you have to make sure there's no writing in the image.) --Robin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 14:09:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01371 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:09:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07042; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:26:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13927 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:25:51 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13903 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:25:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.167.66.155] (sdts11-155.znet.net [207.167.66.155]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with ESMTP id MAA14471 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:25:45 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-From: savaskan@sd.znet.com X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911231615.IAA11861@eclipse.pacifier.com> References: <199911231551.IAA18942@email.boisestate.edu> <199911231518.HAA25988@eclipse.pacifier.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:11:32 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: Re: H-COST: Mis-matched sleeves Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Julie Adams Just a note, as you get to the later slashed sleeves in Germany (1500-1550), the slashing patterns and colors are symmetrical for women, but often asymetrical in men. (I have no idea why). Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 14:10:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01377 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:10:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07041; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:26:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13928 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:25:51 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13912 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:25:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.167.66.155] (sdts11-155.znet.net [207.167.66.155]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with ESMTP id MAA14485 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:25:47 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-From: savaskan@sd.znet.com X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199911200325.UAA23183@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:13:19 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: Re: Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Julie Adams Teddy, Isn't there a diagram showing a 1/2 circle with radiating lines in the back of Blanche Payne's book? This should say "men's bases" or something like that. It doesn't say "organ pipe pleats". The instructions are on the diagram and are not that detailed. There are no step by step instructions printed that I know of. Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 14:48:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01447 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:48:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12065; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:05:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23136 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:05:12 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from eclipse.pacifier.com (eclipse.pacifier.com [199.2.117.78]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23126 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:05:09 -0700 (MST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip44.van20.pacifier.com [216.65.138.44]) by eclipse.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.3pop) with SMTP id NAA21048 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:05:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911232105.NAA21048@eclipse.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:02:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: Mis-matched sleeves Priority: normal References: <199911231615.IAA11861@eclipse.pacifier.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:31:05 -0600 (EST) > From: Robin Netherton > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: Mis-matched sleeves > Reply-to: h-costume@indra.com > > -Poster: Robin Netherton > > > On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > > > > In Lightbown's Medieval European Jewelry he shows some German women > > > > with the *right* sleeve ornamented. The Italians seemed to have done > > > > the left while the Germans did the right. > > > > > Was this during the same time period? 1460s-1500? > > > > Figure 137 is 1460 and shows the L on a German lady. Plates 118 and > > 119 are on the R, 1500. These last 2 are in the color section. > > I haven't seen these, but I'd immediately be alert as to the possibilty of > directional reversal that may have occurred at some time in the > publications process. If the image in your book is a photoreproduction of > a painting or other non-print art from the period, you're *probably* OK. These are from paintings of the time period. (I wouldn't recommend a redrawing nor do I believe engravings done at a later time.) I wondered if the black and white (figure 137) was reversed, but something about the paintings (all 3) said they weren't. (I'd have to pull the book, but I was wondering about possible flipping. However, I think there was some lettering or something about the hands that said that it was properly printed.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 15:50:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01595 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:50:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22654; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:08:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09136 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:06:19 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09127 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:06:17 -0700 (MST) From: Appin1@aol.com Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.5420b0e1 (4329) for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:05:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.5420b0e1.256c69b4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:05:40 EST Subject: H-COST: Re: (new topic) The Costume Institute exhibit To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Appin1@aol.com Like Megan, my friend David Mallinak (who also hangs out on this list) and I drove to NYC to see the Costume Institute to see the clothing associated with Ingres (We had seen the Ingres exhibit at the National Gallery earlier this year). We wanted to do some research on clothing of the period because we volunteer at several period houses in the Baltimore/Washington area and it would have been very helpful. This trip involved a 4+ hour drive, a lot of money in tolls, almost $20 for parking, AND the $10 apiece "donation" to get into the Met. When we finally found the entrance to the Costume Institute, it was blocked off & a guard told us the exhibit had closed early so they could install the next exhibit! To add insult to injury, there was NO catalogue of the exhibit! We met another couple from Wilmington, DE, who also had come to the Met to see the Costume Institute exhibit. What makes me so angry is that David checked out the website on Friday evening, the 19th and there was nothing to indicate that a) the exhibit had closed and b) there was no catalogue. Now, I can understand about the catalogue, but a simple message on the C.I. web site stating that due to the death of Richard Martin, no catalogue would be available would have been appropriate -- and appreciated. Even the Met personnel manning the Information Desk didn't know about the catalogue. When we went to the book/gift shop, one of the people there told us there was no catalogue. There WAS a book by Ribeiro on Ingres and clothing, but that wasn't the catalogue mentioned on the web site. It also wasn't available in paperback, and at $55 a pop, was a bit pricey. Luckily, we DID find a few books we didn't have, so the trip wasn't a total waste, but I am appalled at the arrogance and negligence of the Costume Institute. Frankly, I donoubt this would have happened with Diana Vreeland in charge. Five minutes on a computer to let people know what was going on wouldn't have hurt anyone. We both filed formal complaints at the Information Desk, but I doubt that anyone will bother to contact us. At least the gentleman at the desk gave us free passes. I am very disappointed with and angry at the Costume Institute. I urge anyone who might consider visiting an exhibit there to CALL AHEAD OF TIME to make sure the darn exhibit is still on, because the web site is useless. Kathleen Norvell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 15:56:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01603 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:56:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23670; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:14:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11094 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:14:12 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11066 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:14:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.144] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11qOCM-0002hI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:14:07 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991123022227.00be7860@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 02:25:42 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: H-COST: Metal Stays for corset In-Reply-To: <7F402D0574C3D011ACF000A0C92B23D3025E10EA@nt13pv.apsc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >I am using pieces of 1/2 metal stay intended for hoop skirts. You're going to poke yourself in the soft place once too often and hate yourself. Use real corset bones, not hoop skirt hooping. It's not the same stuff. www.lacis.com should be able to mail order you any bones you wanted, maybe other places as well. Do most >people just use stays that bend a lot more, or have I missed something? All you have missed is that you aren't really using corset bones. Nothing I know of will keep those hoop wire things from poking you eventually. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 16:12:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01625 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:12:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25548; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:30:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15242 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:29:54 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ntserver1.mainsaver.com ([206.17.202.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15233 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:29:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by HP-LH3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:21:31 -0800 Message-ID: <5B38B8D7EED8D211997F00A0C9E57FB91DB603@HP-LH3> From: MAGGIE SECARA To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Metal Stays for corset Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:21:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MAGGIE SECARA Seconding this sentiment. Thanks to mail order and the 'net, proper corset bones are just too easy to come by for anyone to need clever substitutions. My one workaround: On the occasions when I find I've got the wrong sizes, and need some shortened in the middle of the night, my husband trims and rounds the ends for me, and I seal them with red nail polish which lasts almost forever and doesn't melt or take up space like that plastic dip stuff. MaggiRos ~All my men wear a sword, or they wear nothing at all. > ---------- > From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows[SMTP:kayta@slip.net] > Reply To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 2:25 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: Metal Stays for corset > > > -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows > > > >I am using pieces of 1/2 metal stay intended for hoop skirts. > > You're going to poke yourself in the soft place once too often and hate > yourself. Use real corset bones, not hoop skirt hooping. It's not the > same stuff. www.lacis.com should be able to mail order you any bones you > wanted, maybe other places as well. > > Do most > >people just use stays that bend a lot more, or have I missed something? > > All you have missed is that you aren't really using corset bones. Nothing > I know of will keep those hoop wire things from poking you eventually. > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 16:16:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01633 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:16:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26114; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:33:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16221 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:33:35 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ivic.ivic.net (ivic.ivic.net [207.51.248.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16198 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:33:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from default (ivic-dyn54.ivic.net [207.51.248.54]) by ivic.ivic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05876 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:01:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199911232201.OAA05876@ivic.ivic.net> From: "Lorene Dinsmore" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: (new topic) The Costume Institute exhibit Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:32:42 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Lorene Dinsmore" Kathleen Norvell wrote of her disappointing trip to the Costume Institute, and I was reminded that I still, after four trips to the Getty have yet to see their infamous collection of illuminations. Each time I have gone, even after calling to be sure they were on exhibit, they were not. Fortunately, the trip is only about 2 hours, entrance is free, and I enjoy the rest of the museum. Lorene _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 16:34:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01645 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:34:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28146; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:51:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20982 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:51:35 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20971 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:51:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.249.181.7] (pool181-7.patriot.net [209.249.181.7]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA23471 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:51:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199911232251.RAA23471@jefferson.patriot.net> Subject: H-COST: early 19thC men's pantyhose? Date: Tue, 23 Nov 99 17:53:23 -0500 x-sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Early 19thC men's pantyhose? Frame knit silk, they have feet in them and they go up to the waist. There is a cotton or linen waistband with a button in front and a buckle in back for size adjustment. What are they? Perhaps a stocking/drawers combo for underneath snug fitting breeches or pantaloons? Has anyone heard of this item in descriptions, logs, etc? -Carol Kocian _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 16:35:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01649 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:35:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28264; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:52:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21220 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:52:23 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21202 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:52:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:52:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1F176F2C2977D311B3300090270E637837AFDD@scl-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: H-COST: The Sari discussion (reprise) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:52:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cynthia Barnes Remember the Sari discussion here a few months ago? Well, I can leave well enough alone. I had to know why some many people on this list had so many differing views on how to tie or wrap a sari or indeed even what to call it, how large one was, where it was worn & by whom. Here's the info on the book I ordered (and am very pleased with). _The Sari : Styles, Patterns, History, Technique_, by Linda Lynton, Sanjay K. Singh, ISBN 0810944618 Out-of-Print, Remainder price $25. My copy just arrived last nite from Edward Hamilton Bargain Books. http://www.hamiltonbook.com/subject2/etc.html No, I'm not affliliated. Amazon's Synopsis: "The dazzling variety of fabrics, colors, patterns, and draping styles of the sari have long been a source of fascination. This superb volume, comprising a comprehensive text and an array of sumptuous photos taken throughout the Indian subcontinent, reveals the richness and diversity of saris worn by women at all levels of society. 350 illustrations, 150 in color. 75 maps. " "Most comprehensive, detailed survey of South Asian textiles. Five years of serious fieldwork, linguistic, anthropological, historical and iconographic research went into this book. It is the most detailed and comprehensive book on South Asian textiles on the world-wide market." I see now why various people recommended Bandaras brocaded silks for high-end costuming. Yowsa! --cin Cynthia Barnes 408.570.1023 Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com Phoenix Technologies 411 E. Plumeria Dr. San Jose CA 95134 "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 16:40:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01658 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:40:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29080; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22767 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:57:54 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.19]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22758 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:57:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from sews080 by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: og3pool109-80.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.109.80]) id QQhqqe20194 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:02:51 GMT Message-Id: From: "Jessica Wilbur" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:57:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" Hi folks, I asked indirectly about organ-pipe pleats a couple of weeks ago, and Stephen Bergdahl was kind enough to scan that page and put it up on a web page for me. He gave me permission to post the URL here so that anyone can take a look at it. (Thanks Stephen!) http://www.2xtreme.net/madly/temp/Tudor_Bases.gif Hope this helps! --Jessica > > -Poster: Julie Adams > > Teddy, > > Isn't there a diagram showing a 1/2 circle with radiating lines in the back > of Blanche Payne's book? This should say "men's bases" or something like > that. It doesn't say "organ pipe pleats". The instructions are on the > diagram and are not that detailed. There are no step by step instructions > printed that I know of. > > Julie Adams > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 17:04:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01730 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:04:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02828; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:21:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28422 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:21:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28405 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:21:01 -0700 (MST) From: Appin1@aol.com Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.aeec2160 (4329) for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:20:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.aeec2160.256c7b33@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:20:19 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: early 19thC men's pantyhose? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Appin1@aol.com That sounds like what they should be -- tightfitting unders for tightfitting pantaloons. Where in the world did you see these? How intriguing. Kathleen Norvell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 17:10:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01736 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:10:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04020; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:27:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00204 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:27:52 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from boomer.brightok.net (boomer.brightok.net [206.30.97.13]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00193 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:27:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.brightok.net (springer1p59.cld.brightok.net [206.30.113.59]) by boomer.brightok.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03501 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:27:48 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <383B25B3.49B07F1@mail.brightok.net> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:39:31 -0600 From: The Mulders X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: early 19thC men's pantyhose? References: <199911232251.RAA23471@jefferson.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: The Mulders This is going to sound strange but my big tough cowboy [and all his friends] wear pantyhose to keep down saddle rub and stay warm in the winter. Just thought I'd give the city folk a giggle. Ninya aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > -Poster: > > Early 19thC men's pantyhose? > > Frame knit silk, they have feet in them and they go up to the waist. > There is a cotton or linen waistband with a button in front and a buckle > in back for size adjustment. > > What are they? Perhaps a stocking/drawers combo for underneath snug > fitting breeches or pantaloons? Has anyone heard of this item in > descriptions, logs, etc? > > -Carol Kocian > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 17:28:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01750 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:28:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06704; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:46:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04627 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:46:15 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from Herb-Lore.com (mail.herb-lore.com [209.141.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04611 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:46:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from Flohrschutz [207.204.223.205] by Herb-Lore.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A53B5654012E; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:45:47 -0700 Message-ID: <001801bf3614$e6aff400$cddfcccf@Flohrschutz> From: "Heather" To: References: <199911232251.RAA23471@jefferson.patriot.net> <383B25B3.49B07F1@mail.brightok.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: early 19thC men's pantyhose? Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:43:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Heather" Ninya, I know a lot of marines that wear pantyhose to keep bugs from biting them. Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: The Mulders To: Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 3:39 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: early 19thC men's pantyhose? > > -Poster: The Mulders > > This is going to sound strange but my big tough cowboy [and all his friends] > wear pantyhose to keep down saddle rub and stay warm in the winter. Just > thought I'd give the city folk a giggle. > Ninya > > aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > > > -Poster: > > > > Early 19thC men's pantyhose? > > > > Frame knit silk, they have feet in them and they go up to the waist. > > There is a cotton or linen waistband with a button in front and a buckle > > in back for size adjustment. > > > > What are they? Perhaps a stocking/drawers combo for underneath snug > > fitting breeches or pantaloons? Has anyone heard of this item in > > descriptions, logs, etc? > > > > -Carol Kocian > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 18:21:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01862 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:21:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13448; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:39:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16338 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:37:44 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web605.yahoomail.com (web605.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.169]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA16327 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:37:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19991124003742.10387.rocketmail@ web605.yahoomail.com> Received: from [63.224.243.248] by web605.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:37:42 PST Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:37:42 -0800 (PST) From: Valerie Robertson Subject: Re: H-COST: Mis-matched sleeves To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Valerie Robertson Could the proper title be: "Secular Goldsmiths' Work in Medieval France: a History" by R.W Lightbown? --- Linda Yordy wrote: > > -Poster: "Linda Yordy" > > > > In Lightbown's Medieval European Jewelry he shows > some German women > > with the *right* sleeve ornamented. The Italians > seemed to have done > > the left while the Germans did the right. > > Hi Kat! > > Was this during the same time period? 1460s-1500? > > Do you have more info on the book you mentioned. I > did a search > on Amazon.com and it didn't come up with it. > > Thanks! > > > Linda Yordy > Phone: 208/426-4034 > Boise State University > Center for Management Development > 1910 University Drive > Boise, ID 83725-1660 > ******************************************************** > Yordy's Law #3: When wearing white, apply your lunch > > directly to your shirt -- it will end up there > anyway. > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 18:52:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01900 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:52:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16389; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:09:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21543 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:07:36 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta3-svc.virgin.net (mta3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.144]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21520 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:07:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.235.220]) by mta3-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19991124010203.YNBA9558.mta3-svc@LOCALNAME> for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:02:03 +0000 Message-ID: <383BAF63.5548@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:26:59 -0800 From: Dawn Organization: ages of elegance (http://www.ageofelegance.dabsol.co.uk) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN712-000 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: early 19thC men's pantyhose? References: <199911232251.RAA23471@jefferson.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Dawn aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > > -Poster: > > Early 19thC men's pantyhose? > > Frame knit silk, they have feet in them and they go up to the waist. > There is a cotton or linen waistband with a button in front and a buckle > in back for size adjustment. > > What are they? Perhaps a stocking/drawers combo for underneath snug > fitting breeches or pantaloons? Has anyone heard of this item in > descriptions, logs, etc? > > -Carol Kocian > _________________________________________________________________ > Yes they are the regency version of drawers. Cunnington has a description in their underwear book with pictures. I made some fro the other half underneath his cavalry pantalon and they work well no VPL or stocking line!! Dawn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 19:07:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01927 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:07:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18209; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:25:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24287 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:23:44 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com [207.46.181.18]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24280 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:23:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion - 63.20.241.60 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:23:14 -0800 Message-ID: <000201bf361a$87bb1e60$3cf1143f@pavilion> From: "gail_middleton" To: References: <0.13b9204e.256b1ee2@aol.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Great Fabric Outlet in East Bay! Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:33:32 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "gail_middleton" I'm going to have a few hours free in San Francisco on Dec. 8th, and a rental car to take myself where I will. (My flight from Wisconsin gets in at 2:45pm and I don't need to be in Modesto until late evening.) How do I find these fabric outlets? Are they open into the evenings? I know about Britex downtown, but would rather go where there might be some affordable wools. Gail E Middleton gail_middleton@msn.com Sun Prairie, Wisconsin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 4:34 PM Subject: H-COST: Great Fabric Outlet in East Bay! > > -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com > > Dear List, > > I thought I had posted this, but cannot find a trace of it in my sent > e-mails, so decided it could never hurt to provide the information again. > > DISCOUNT FABRICS, one of the BEST fabric outlets in SF, is now open in > Oakland, at 17th and Harrison. It's actually on Harrison, just down from > 17th Street. > > The fabric prices are reasonable, and go down if you buy by the bolt. It is a > warehouse, so whatever they have, they have, but they have a lot, especially > of luscious and exotic fabrics with which to make costumey goodies. Right > now some exquisite imported silk brocades are on sale. > > Enjoy shopping! > > angela > > +++++ > Angela F. Lazear > Cabbage Rose Costumes > Theatrical Costume & Clothing Design > "What fates impose, that men must needs abide; It boots not to resist both > wind and tide." > King Henry VI, Part III, IV, iii - W. Shakespeare > QUICK-LINK: http://come.to/costumes > FULL URL: http://sj.znet.com/~thespian/angil/index.html > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 19:34:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01982 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:34:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21401; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:52:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28840 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:50:42 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28831 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:50:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.230.188] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11qRZt-0005Ns-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:50:38 -0800 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:46:12 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Mis-matched sleeves In-Reply-To: <199911231537.IAA13058@email.boisestate.edu> References: <199911231349.GAA04986@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 08:34 AM 11/23/1999, "Linda Yordy" wrote: Yordy's Law #3: When wearing white, apply your lunch directly to your shirt -- it will end up there anyway. Lady--If you truly have a list of these, I would be most grateful to have them, at your convenience. :-) Happy Thanksgiving, to those of you who w/b celebrating it! -- Gra/inne _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 20:16:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02024 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:16:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25721; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05583 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:32:08 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05572 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:32:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.167.66.88] (sdts10-88.znet.net [207.167.66.88]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with ESMTP id SAA09143 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:32:00 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-From: savaskan@sd.znet.com X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:01:41 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: Re: Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Julie Adams >-Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" > >Hi folks, > >I asked indirectly about organ-pipe pleats a couple of weeks ago, and >Stephen Bergdahl >was kind enough to scan that page and put it up on a web page for me. He >gave me >permission to post the URL here so that anyone can take a look at it. >(Thanks Stephen!) > >http://www.2xtreme.net/madly/temp/Tudor_Bases.gif > Yes, thats it. The front area on those particular bases is flat and overlapped. If you continue the pleats all around it looks just like the ones in the pictures. Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 21:10:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02086 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:10:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01261; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:28:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13960 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:26:32 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13952 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:26:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991124032629.OBRB22653.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:26:29 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:30:24 -0800 Subject: Re: H-COST: early 19thC men's pantyhose? From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991124032629.OBRB22653.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "R.L. Shep" I am so tempted to reply to this but I have bitten my tongue until it bleeds! ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com ---------- >From: "Heather" >To: >Subject: Re: H-COST: early 19thC men's pantyhose? >Date: Tue, Nov 23, 1999, 4:43 PM > > >-Poster: "Heather" > >Ninya, > >I know a lot of marines that wear pantyhose to keep bugs from biting them. > >Heather >----- Original Message ----- >From: The Mulders >To: >Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 3:39 PM >Subject: Re: H-COST: early 19thC men's pantyhose? > > >> >> -Poster: The Mulders >> >> This is going to sound strange but my big tough cowboy [and all his >friends] >> wear pantyhose to keep down saddle rub and stay warm in the winter. Just >> thought I'd give the city folk a giggle. >> Ninya >> >> aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: >> >> > -Poster: >> > >> > Early 19thC men's pantyhose? >> > >> > Frame knit silk, they have feet in them and they go up to the >waist. >> > There is a cotton or linen waistband with a button in front and a buckle >> > in back for size adjustment. >> > >> > What are they? Perhaps a stocking/drawers combo for underneath snug >> > fitting breeches or pantaloons? Has anyone heard of this item in >> > descriptions, logs, etc? >> > >> > -Carol Kocian >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 21:36:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02121 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:35:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03802; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:53:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17645 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:51:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17632 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:51:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [208.225.99.134] (ppp134.creative.net [208.225.99.134]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA08687 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:00:51 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lilinah@mail.grin.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000201bf361a$87bb1e60$3cf1143f@pavilion> References: <0.13b9204e.256b1ee2@aol.com> <000201bf361a$87bb1e60$3cf1143f@pavilion> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:59:39 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lilinah biti-Anat Subject: Re: H-COST: Great Fabric Outlet in East Bay! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lilinah biti-Anat >-Poster: "gail_middleton" > >I'm going to have a few hours free in San Francisco on Dec. 8th, and a >rental car to take myself where I will. (My flight from Wisconsin gets in >at 2:45pm and I don't need to be in Modesto until late evening.) How do I >find these fabric outlets? Are they open into the evenings? I know about >Britex downtown, but would rather go where there might be some affordable >wools. There's a Discount Fabrics in San Francisco (mentioned in the first message). You never know what you'll find there. I'm usually looking for something pretty particular, and they rarely have had anything i need. But then i do early period, so i can't use all those fancy brocades, etc. But if you like searching though their bins and shelves, and your persona is later period, you may find something good. I have had little luck finding pure linen and i don't know about their wool selection, since i bought mine at a reduced price elsewhere (Stonemountain and Daughter in Berkeley) Britex is next to heaven, but no bargains. Just the finest drool-worthy stuff (and sometimes rude help). It is 4 or 5 stories high and could easily eat up all your free time. They have an astonishing array of woolens. Too bad you won't have time to really explore the city. There are so many wonderful neighborhoods. But i strongly suggest you go to SFMOMA (the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art). Right now they're having an historic exhibit. It's of posters from the Fillmore Theater in its psychedelic days as well as furniture and *handmade clothing* from famous rock stars and other hippies. It may not be real old, but it sure is historic costume! You can find wools in other stores, but this exhibit is only here and where better to see it! I'm waiting until my daughter gets home from college (on Jan 02 (gulp)) to go, but i've seen photos. WoW! I can't wait. Lilinah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 23:11:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02270 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:11:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11901; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:29:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00970 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:28:48 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from horridus.ebay.com (horridus.ebay.com [216.33.156.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00955 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:28:46 -0700 (MST) From: joanj@quiknet.com Received: from blunthead.ebay.com (blunthead.ebay.com [216.32.120.88]) by horridus.ebay.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 56E7CE17 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:28:46 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Interesting item on eBay web site item#206603595: WOLF MALE TAILORING MANNEQUIN:model 1983 #39 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 Pacific Standard Time Message-Id: <19991124052846.56E7CE17@horridus.ebay.com> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: joanj@quiknet.com I saw this item for sale at eBay and thought that someone within driving distance of central Massachusetts on this list might be interested. The seller will not ship due to the size and weight of this item. Being in California (and not sewing for men anyway ), I won't be bidding on this. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA Title of item: WOLF MALE TAILORING MANNEQUIN:model 1983 #39 Seller: jrett@tiac.net Starts: 11/23/99, 17:05:56 PST Ends: 11/30/99, 17:05:56 PST Price: Starts at $1.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=206603595 Item Description: WOLF MALE TAILORING MANNEQUIN: model 1983 #39. This is a "collapsible model" with a very heavy cast iron base on casters. He has a 40" chest and a 31" inseam. I used him primarily for display for handwoven church vesture. This is a quality form. As you can see in one of the photos, he is water-damaged in the rear but the cloth covering is not damaged in any way. Water damage, of course, is not visible when mannequin is "dressed". The form swivels at the top and makes it very easy to work on. Because of its size and the weight of the base, I am unwilling to pack this item for shipping so he must be picked up in central Massachusetts or buyer must make their own arrangements for professional packing and shipping. Nonsmoker. I will accept a bank check or money order. Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at http://www.ebay.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 23 23:15:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02278 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:15:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12442; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:33:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01566 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:33:49 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01556 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:33:47 -0700 (MST) From: M311@aol.com Received: from M311@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.2fd31df6 (4331) for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:33:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.2fd31df6.256cd297@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:33:11 EST Subject: H-COST: other Interesting item on eBay To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: M311@aol.com I just love ebay and shop alot on there for fabric. While browsing today I found this fabric. I am not interested in it but thought maybe someone on here would be. It looks interesting but I am into country music and not woodstock. 2 yds 60's Hippie Mod Peace Screen Printed Item #202423087 Kelly m311@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 00:57:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02383 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:57:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19857; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:15:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13323 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:14:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13313 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:14:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17973 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:14:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-58-102.lightspeed.net [209.165.58.102]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28885 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:14:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00ae01bf364d$cb22cb20$f87cfea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: References: <7F402D0574C3D011ACF000A0C92B23D3025E10EA@nt13pv.apsc.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Metal Stays for corset Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:16:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" > > -Poster: "Knauf, Saragrace T(Z02001)" >(this is for a German 1540's silhouette-{I know!!! They > didn't really wear corsets!!!}) I know everyone is mixed in their opinions but, I think some did. There is a German style corset in Patterns 3, a little later date but, it is an example. Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 02:33:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26761 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:33:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24256; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:50:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22582 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:48:16 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22577 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:48:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.199.5] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11qY60-0002ah-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:48:13 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991123030615.00d00950@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 03:11:44 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: H-COST: early 19thC men's pantyhose? In-Reply-To: <199911232251.RAA23471@jefferson.patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Yes. I have a photo of such a garment in a book called Of Men Only (ISBN 0-87273-053-0), listed as being 'footed drawers'. Date given is 1795-1800, and they are in the Brooklyn Museum. > Early 19thC men's pantyhose? > > Frame knit silk, they have feet in them and they go up to the waist. >There is a cotton or linen waistband with a button in front and a buckle >in back for size adjustment. > > What are they? Perhaps a stocking/drawers combo for underneath snug >fitting breeches or pantaloons? Has anyone heard of this item in >descriptions, logs, etc? > > -Carol Kocian > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 02:33:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26785 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:33:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24253; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:50:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22598 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:48:19 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22592 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:48:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.199.5] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11qY62-0002ah-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:48:17 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991123031330.00ba1e70@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 03:20:56 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: H-COST: Metal Stays for corset In-Reply-To: <00ae01bf364d$cb22cb20$f87cfea9@gunsafes> References: <7F402D0574C3D011ACF000A0C92B23D3025E10EA@nt13pv.apsc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows I think we all agree that any German woman wearing such a Spanish silhouette dress as the ones in JA Patterns 3 would have to wear a corset like the one shown with them. Certainly the woman buried in it was wearing it at the time. What opinion is divided on is whether or not women in the period of their mothers/grandmothers wore them. I don't wear one when I do that period, having learned a bodice cut which makes me the right shape without a corset. Other women wear a corset-garment under their bodices, even tho the cut of theirs is similar to the cut of mine. If I saw a woman wearing such a bodice, politeness would forbid that I ask whether or not she was wearing a corset. So what's the problem? >>(this is for a German 1540's silhouette-{I know!!! They >> didn't really wear corsets!!!}) > > I know everyone is mixed in their opinions but, I think some did. There >is a German style corset in Patterns 3, a little later date but, it is an >example. > >Michelle > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 06:36:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA06294 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:36:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA09011; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 05:55:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11188 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 05:54:35 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11178 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 05:54:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JIPSNL4HIO008F1L@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:54:27 GMT Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JIPSN2VB6C0088F7@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:47:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 24 Nov 99 12:45:47 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44) ; 24 Nov 99 12:45:19 GMT0BST Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.126) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 24 Nov 99 12:45:04 GMT0BST Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:45:04 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: H-COST: Flipped images In-reply-to: <199911232206.PAA09205@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 > Even modern photographs aren't completely safe; they can be flipped > over in the process of bookmaking (sometimes intentionally, sometimes > not). This is true. I have a friend who made a beautiful copy of the Anne of Cleves gown from the Holbein portrait. Absolutely wonderful except the book she used had the picture reversed so the costume's a mirror image of the picture. Still beautiful and immediately recognizable, but even so... Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 06:48:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA06308 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:48:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAB09675; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:04:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA12356 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:04:32 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12347 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:04:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JIPSSWEZ7K0080GU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:04:18 GMT Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JIPSSNZPEI0088F7@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:52:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 24 Nov 99 12:50:18 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44) ; 24 Nov 99 12:50:18 GMT0BST Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.126) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 24 Nov 99 12:50:08 GMT0BST Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:50:08 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... In-reply-to: <199911232206.PAA09205@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 > Teddy, > > Isn't there a diagram showing a 1/2 circle with radiating lines in the > back of Blanche Payne's book? This should say "men's bases" or > something like that. It doesn't say "organ pipe pleats". The > instructions are on the diagram and are not that detailed. There are > no step by step instructions printed that I know of. Hi Julie, I got hold of that book hoping the "diagram" mentioned showed constuction method rather than a flat-pattern draft of the garment. I suspect (after a lot of off-list clarification - thanks Dietmar) that what has confused me is that there appear to be two methods of constucting these pleats - same/similar results from the *outside*, different look on the inside and I've been trying to visualise one result when reading descriptions of the other method. My conclusin is that I'll have to do small mock-ups of both and see which I prefer (and *how* similar they turn out) Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 07:56:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06362 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:56:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14188; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:13:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21056 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:12:46 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bodyguard.apsc.com (bodyguard.apsc.com [137.91.114.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21033 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:12:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhub.apsc.com (mailhub.apsc.commailhub.apsc.com [137.91.1.30]) by apsc.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA27693; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:28:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from nt170.apsc.com (nt170.apsc.com [137.91.1.61]) by mailhub.apsc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA09401; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:12:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by nt170.apsc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:12:40 -0700 Message-ID: <7F402D0574C3D011ACF000A0C92B23D3025E10F3@nt13pv.apsc.com> From: "Knauf, Saragrace T(Z02001)" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Cc: "'mandrake@mypad.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Metal Stays for corset Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:12:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Knauf, Saragrace T(Z02001)" <> Is Patterns 3 a company? Where does this come from. -----Original Message----- From: Michelle [mailto:mandrake@mypad.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 12:16 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Metal Stays for corset -Poster: "Michelle" > > -Poster: "Knauf, Saragrace T(Z02001)" >(this is for a German 1540's silhouette-{I know!!! They > didn't really wear corsets!!!}) I know everyone is mixed in their opinions but, I think some did. There is a German style corset in Patterns 3, a little later date but, it is an example. Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 09:03:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06435 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:03:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20054; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:21:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02133 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:19:13 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from otma1.state.de.us (hidest.state.de.us [167.21.1.112]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02121 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:19:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from Bangate2.state.de.us (bangate2.state.de.us [172.16.1.26]) by otma1.state.de.us (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29313 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by Bangate2.state.de.us with VINES-ISMTP; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:18:00 EST Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:18:02 EST Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "David W. Rickman" Subject: H-COST: Costume Institute X-Incognito-SN: 12837 X-Incognito-Version: 5.1.0.41 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "David W. Rickman" Hello, Well Kathleen, so that was you! I was the male half of that couple you met from Wilmington (the other was my wife, Deborah Kraak). We were deeply disappointed as well, most especially when we found out that the exhibit of costume in the age of Ingres (1790's - 1860's) was closed down early to make way for an exhibit of rock stars' costumes - rather a clear slide from the sublime to the ridiculous. Pretty shameful. David Rickman drickman@state.de.us Kathleen wrote: >When we finally found the entrance to the Costume Institute, it >was blocked >off & a guard told us the exhibit had closed early so they could >install the >next exhibit! To add insult to injury, there was NO catalogue of >the exhibit! >We met another couple from Wilmington, DE, who also had >come to the Met to >see the Costume Institute exhibit. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 09:21:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06446 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:21:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23068; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:39:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06608 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:39:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.nightowl.net (mail.nightowl.net [207.124.43.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06597 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:39:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (robin@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by mail.nightowl.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA13424 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:49:20 -0600 Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA01098 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:45:34 -0600 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:45:34 -0600 (EST) From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Flipped images In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Robin Netherton On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, teddy1 wrote: > > Even modern photographs aren't completely safe; they can be flipped > > over in the process of bookmaking (sometimes intentionally, sometimes > > not). > > This is true. I have a friend who made a beautiful copy of the Anne > of Cleves gown from the Holbein portrait. Absolutely wonderful > except the book she used had the picture reversed so the > costume's a mirror image of the picture. After writing my first note, I thought of another area in which to beware of flopped images: tapestries. Tapestries are woven upside down, based on a "cartoon" (painted pattern) placed underneath as a guide. An experienced cartoon painter would reverse his images so that the tapestry would come out the right way. Not all of them did so perfectly, though -- I've seen tapestries with backward lettering in them -- either whole words backward, or a single letter backward in an otherwise correct word! So, just because one bit is right, that doesn't mean another bit is. The same cartoon artist that managed to write an inscription properly backward might not take the same trouble for a costume elsewhere in the picture. Or one artist may have painted the figures, and a different artist may have filled in the inscriptions on the cartoon. Given the unreliability of this, I simply wouldn't rely on a tapestry at all for reference on anything directional -- too much possibility for variation. --Robin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 09:21:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06450 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:21:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22964; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:39:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06346 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:38:16 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06338 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:38:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from gia-g (dialup347.serv.net [207.207.70.240]) by mx.serv.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA14316 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:38:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004501bf3691$b02d9b80$f046cfcf@gia-g> From: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:36:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" Teddy, I'd be very interested in your opinions and conclusions of the results. I'm not sure if others on the list would be interested, so if you would email me privately that would be just awesome. Please, please please with sugar on top?? Gia/Giacinta ================ Teddy wrote: I got hold of that book hoping the "diagram" mentioned showed constuction method rather than a flat-pattern draft of the garment. I suspect (after a lot of off-list clarification - thanks Dietmar) that what has confused me is that there appear to be two methods of constucting these pleats - same/similar results from the *outside*, different look on the inside and I've been trying to visualise one result when reading descriptions of the other method. My conclusin is that I'll have to do small mock-ups of both and see which I prefer (and *how* similar they turn out) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 09:45:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06519 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:45:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26435; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:03:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13002 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:03:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web601.mail.yahoo.com (web601.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.165]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA12994 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:03:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19991124160305.8215.rocketmail@web601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.161.4.112] by web601.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:03:05 PST Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:03:05 -0800 (PST) From: Valerie Robertson Subject: RE: H-COST: Metal Stays for corset To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Valerie Robertson "Patterns 3" is list shorthand for "Patterns of Fashion: The Cut and Construction of Clothes for Men and Women C1560-1620" by Janet Arnold (about US$32+s&h on Amazon.com). It's a book. A fabulous book. The corset mentioned is part of the burial clothing of a German Princess (Pfalzgrafin) whose name escapes me at the moment. This also happens to be the only intact 16th century corset I've ever seen, and Ms. Arnold gives the pattern for it on gridded paper in the book, along with 40 or 50 other patterns from most of the remaining clothing of the period. Did I mention this is a fabulous book? Oh, and standard disclaimers apply. --- "Knauf, Saragrace T(Z02001)" wrote: > > -Poster: "Knauf, Saragrace T(Z02001)" > > > <> > Is Patterns 3 a company? Where does this come from. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michelle [mailto:mandrake@mypad.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 12:16 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: Metal Stays for corset > > > > -Poster: "Michelle" > > > > > > > -Poster: "Knauf, Saragrace T(Z02001)" > > > >(this is for a German 1540's silhouette-{I know!!! > They > > didn't really wear corsets!!!}) > > I know everyone is mixed in their opinions but, I > think some did. There > is a German style corset in Patterns 3, a little > later date but, it is an > example. > > Michelle > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 09:58:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06543 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:58:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27891; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:15:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16078 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:15:48 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailjay.creighton.edu (mailjay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.126]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16069 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:15:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from brujne.creighton.edu ([147.134.201.104] (may be forged)) by mailjay.creighton.edu (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA15380 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:15:45 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199911241615.KAA15380@mailjay.creighton.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Cindy Abel" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:14:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: H-COST: RE: Costume and Character in the Age of Ingres. Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19991124160305.8215.rocketmail@web601.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Cindy Abel" For those disappointed not to see the Met exibition "Costume and Character in the Age of Ingres" there is a $35 exibition catalog listed on the publisher's website Harry N Abrams. The ISBN(International Standard Book Number for those of you who don't know what ISBN means)is 0-8109-6542-9. It may not be released yet as I couldn't locate it at Amazon or bn.com It is on OCLC though and the cataloging record appears complete, rather than the Library of Congress pre-publication record that usually appears for books not yet published. Just two libraries own the book so far; one of then is Library of Congress. Go figure. So write Santa, especially those of you that went on pilgrimage all the way to the Met to see this exibit. You deserve this in your stocking. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 10:17:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06571 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:17:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00793; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:34:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21028 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:33:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from eclipse.pacifier.com (eclipse.pacifier.com [199.2.117.78]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21016 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:33:56 -0700 (MST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip77.van15.pacifier.com [216.65.137.77]) by eclipse.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.3pop) with SMTP id IAA18245 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:33:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911241633.IAA18245@eclipse.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:30:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: Mis-matched sleeves Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19991124003742.10387.rocketmail@ web605.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > Could the proper title be: "Secular Goldsmiths' Work > in Medieval France: a History" by R.W Lightbown? No, but I'd like to see this one too. I've heard of it, but haven't yet found it. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 10:42:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06609 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:42:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03210; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:55:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26503 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:55:24 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA26493 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:55:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from mamabear from [207.13.31.71] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.421) with smtp for sender: id ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 10:55:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002601bf369c$9149e380$0200a8c0@mamabear.stormypetrel.com> From: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:54:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" Actually I would love to hear it too as I am still struggling with how to do them and perhaps a fresh perspective will help. Thanks, Carol Ross -----Original Message----- From: Gia Gavino-Gattshall To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 9:39 AM Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... > >-Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" > >Teddy, I'd be very interested in your opinions and conclusions of the >results. I'm not sure if others on the list would be interested, so if you >would email me privately that would be just awesome. > > Please, please please with sugar on top?? > >Gia/Giacinta >================ >Teddy wrote: >I got hold of that book hoping the "diagram" mentioned showed >constuction method rather than a flat-pattern draft of the garment. > >I suspect (after a lot of off-list clarification - thanks Dietmar) that >what has confused me is that there appear to be two methods of >constucting these pleats - same/similar results from the *outside*, >different look on the inside and I've been trying to visualise one >result when reading descriptions of the other method. My >conclusin is that I'll have to do small mock-ups of both and see >which I prefer (and *how* similar they turn out) > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 11:07:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06733 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:07:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05687; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:14:24 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01393 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:14:05 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bodyguard.apsc.com (bodyguard.apsc.com [137.91.114.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01379 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:14:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhub.apsc.com (mailhub.apsc.commailhub.apsc.com [137.91.1.30]) by apsc.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA10058 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:28:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from nt170.apsc.com (nt170.apsc.com [137.91.1.61]) by mailhub.apsc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA23938 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:13:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by nt170.apsc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:13:13 -0700 Message-ID: <7F402D0574C3D011ACF000A0C92B23D3025E10F6@nt13pv.apsc.com> From: "Knauf, Saragrace T(Z02001)" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: Pattern 3 was Metal Stays for corset Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:13:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Knauf, Saragrace T(Z02001)" Gee, I guess I should feel really stupid since I have some of her books including that one! I don't have the book in front of me, but I remember the dress. I guess I just looked at it and it seemed like a very different silhouette. (I should qualify that-as far as I can tell the only real difference is the pattern needs a front seam that is gently curved at the very upper part of the bust. I just copied the line from the pattern I was using which is from the Period Patterns Company-can't remember the number.) As you noted it is later-I don't remember how much. I just assumed that it had been influenced by English styles - or even was English. I don't remember much elaboration on who the people were that wore the clothes, other than titles. My ruminations were that even though she was German, did she live elsewhere, was she married to someone besides a German? Was she in attendance to someone like an "Anne of Cleaves" who remained at court even though she was divorced from Henry. Or could she have been married to a German representative at court? I am not sure when the distinctive German style(more rounded silhouette, plastrons, "Cranach" style etc.) 'went away' or even if it did. -----Original Message----- From: Valerie Robertson [mailto:ladybriony@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 9:03 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: H-COST: Metal Stays for corset -Poster: Valerie Robertson "Patterns 3" is list shorthand for "Patterns of Fashion: The Cut and Construction of Clothes for Men and Women C1560-1620" by Janet Arnold (about US$32+s&h on Amazon.com). It's a book. A fabulous book. The corset mentioned is part of the burial clothing of a German Princess (Pfalzgrafin) whose name escapes me at the moment. This also happens to be the only intact 16th century corset I've ever seen, and Ms. Arnold gives the pattern for it on gridded paper in the book, along with 40 or 50 other patterns from most of the remaining clothing of the period. Did I mention this is a fabulous book? Oh, and standard disclaimers apply. --- "Knauf, Saragrace T(Z02001)" wrote: > > -Poster: "Knauf, Saragrace T(Z02001)" > > > <> > Is Patterns 3 a company? Where does this come from. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michelle [mailto:mandrake@mypad.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 12:16 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: Metal Stays for corset > > > > -Poster: "Michelle" > > > > > > > -Poster: "Knauf, Saragrace T(Z02001)" > > > >(this is for a German 1540's silhouette-{I know!!! > They > > didn't really wear corsets!!!}) > > I know everyone is mixed in their opinions but, I > think some did. There > is a German style corset in Patterns 3, a little > later date but, it is an > example. > > Michelle > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 11:46:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06820 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:46:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12587; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:02:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12656 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:00:31 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.33]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12634 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:00:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mai040RS1.lib.ohio-state.edu (mai040rs1.lib.ohio-state.edu [128.146.115.31]) by mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA26683 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:56:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991124130459.006adfbc@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: mhamilto@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:04:59 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Marsha J. Hamilton" Subject: Re: H-COST: Ingres exhibit catalog? In-Reply-To: <0.5420b0e1.256c69b4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Marsha J. Hamilton" >When we finally found the entrance to the Costume Institute, it was blocked >off... To add insult to injury, there was NO catalogue of the exhibit! ------------------------------------------------------------ I was web surfing the other day and ran across a reference to the exhibit catalog for the Age of Ingres show. It said it had been cancelled and there were no further plans to publish the catalog. I'm not positive but it might have been on the Worldwide Books site. They specialize in selling art exhibition catalogs from around the world. Their info. is usually very accurate. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 12:14:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06875 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:14:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16973; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:28:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19749 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:28:21 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19736 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:28:19 -0700 (MST) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.5751aa14 (4358) for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:27:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.5751aa14.256d881e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:27:42 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Great Fabric Outlet in East Bay! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com In a message dated 11/23/1999 5:27:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, gail_middleton@email.msn.com writes: << How do I find these fabric outlets? Are they open into the evenings? I know about Britex downtown, but would rather go where there might be some affordable wools. >> Call the one in downtown SF 1-415-495-5337. It's right off the freeway coming from Oakland. Easy to find, but no parking. They should be able to direct you from your hotel. Have fun! angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume & Clothing Design "All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts." W. Shakespeare QUICK-LINK: http://come.to/costumes FULL URL: http://sj.znet.com/~thespian/angil/index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 12:20:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06882 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:19:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18497; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:36:56 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21816 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:36:46 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ntserver1.mainsaver.com ([206.17.202.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21809 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:36:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by HP-LH3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:28:25 -0800 Message-ID: <5B38B8D7EED8D211997F00A0C9E57FB91DB60C@HP-LH3> From: MAGGIE SECARA To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:28:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MAGGIE SECARA Me too, me too! > ---------- > From: Gia Gavino-Gattshall[SMTP:ggavino@serv.net] > Reply To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 7:36 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... > > > -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" > > Teddy, I'd be very interested in your opinions and conclusions of the > results. I'm not sure if others on the list would be interested, so if > you > would email me privately that would be just awesome. > > Please, please please with sugar on top?? > > Gia/Giacinta > ================ > Teddy wrote: > I got hold of that book hoping the "diagram" mentioned showed > constuction method rather than a flat-pattern draft of the garment. > > I suspect (after a lot of off-list clarification - thanks Dietmar) that > what has confused me is that there appear to be two methods of > constucting these pleats - same/similar results from the *outside*, > different look on the inside and I've been trying to visualise one > result when reading descriptions of the other method. My > conclusin is that I'll have to do small mock-ups of both and see > which I prefer (and *how* similar they turn out) > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 12:35:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06953 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:35:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20509; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:51:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25160 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:51:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25145 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:51:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from agnes (BayArea56k469.NetWiz.Net [208.164.208.69]) by netwiz.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18808 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:51:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <383C3378.652D@netwiz.net> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:50:32 -0800 From: Susan Fatemi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Great Fabric Outlet in East Bay! References: <0.13b9204e.256b1ee2@aol.com> <000201bf361a$87bb1e60$3cf1143f@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Susan Fatemi Lilinah biti-Anat wrote: > ... > shelves, and your persona is later period, you may find something > good. I have had little luck finding pure linen and i don't know I just bought linen at Poppy -- they had quite a variety. It said 100% so it better be pure linen! AND got 3 yds (in 2 pcs.) of off-white linen out of the remnant bin for $3.00/yd! Stonemountain had quite a selection last time I was in there, too. Susan F. -- Oh Noh! Kimonos! susanf@netwiz.net http://www.netwiz.net/~susanf _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 13:12:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07029 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:12:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24763; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:22:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02456 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:22:24 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02448 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:22:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from agnes (BayArea56k469.NetWiz.Net [208.164.208.69]) by netwiz.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24416 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:22:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <383C3ABA.5EA@netwiz.net> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:21:30 -0800 From: Susan Fatemi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: oops References: <0.13b9204e.256b1ee2@aol.com> <000201bf361a$87bb1e60$3cf1143f@pavilion> <383C3378.652D@netwiz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Susan Fatemi sorry, didn't mean to send to the whole list. Now you will all become jealous and move to the Bay Area. (good luck finding housing!) Susan Fatemi wrote: > I just bought linen at Poppy -- they had quite a variety. > It said 100% so it better be pure linen! AND got 3 yds (in > 2 pcs.) of off-white linen out of the remnant bin for $3.00/yd! > Stonemountain had quite a selection last time I was in there, too. > > Susan F. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 14:53:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07199 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:53:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13017; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:10:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26992 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:08:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta2.snfc21.pbi.net (mta2.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.123]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26979 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:08:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from pacbell.net ([206.170.68.51]) by mta2.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FLP001O6ZXG7L@mta2.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:05:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:41:45 +0000 From: Dietmar Subject: H-COST: Re: Metal Stays for corset To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <383BDD05.2C354577@pacbell.net> Organization: Completely Disorganized MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <19991124160305.8215.rocketmail@web601.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Dietmar Greetings, Please forgive me for picking a tiny nit, but I seem to be operating in that mode this week. :-) Valerie wrote: > The corset mentioned is part of the burial clothing of a German Princess > (Pfalzgrafin) whose name escapes me at the moment. A 'Pfalzgräfin' is a palatine countess. Princess is either Fürstin or Prinzessin. Sorry, but I've been arguing over German names and titles on another list. Regards, Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 15:15:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07231 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:15:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16165; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:33:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02612 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:33:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02603 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:33:05 -0700 (MST) From: Schmitt100@aol.com Received: from Schmitt100@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id u.0.bd30281b (4465) for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:32:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.bd30281b.256db36b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:32:27 EST Subject: H-COST: (no subject) To: h-costume@indra.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Schmitt100@aol.com The following request was sent to me from my niece (8 years old) and I was not sure what the answer would be - any hints? In school we are studying colonial times people. We've been talking about some of the clothes they wore. I was wondering what a stomacher was used for. My teacher did not know. She thought it might be used for making you look thinner but Mom said that is what corsets were for. Mom said you knew a lot about old clothes so I thought I'd ask you. ********************** Rebecca Schmitt So many books, so little time "Hard work is the accumulation of the easy things you didn't do when you should have." -Anonymous schmitt100@aol.com ********************** _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 15:27:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07245 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:27:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17566; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:45:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05151 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:45:26 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from delphi.qrc.com (atlantis.qrc.com [198.178.200.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA05140 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:45:24 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 3886 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1999 22:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO his.com) (192.168.110.101) by delphi.qrc.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1999 22:06:24 -0000 Message-ID: <383C5CF1.C45C802F@his.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:47:35 -0500 From: Lola Lee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: RE: H-COST: Metal Stays for corset References: <199911242109.OAA27074@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lola Lee Valerie Robinson wrote: > on Amazon.com). It's a book. A fabulous book. The > corset mentioned is part of the burial clothing of a > German Princess (Pfalzgrafin) whose name escapes me at > Dorothea Sabine Maria von Neuberg. Died in 1598; this information (as well as the dress) is from Kohl. Yes, I know that book is somewhat inaccurate. But the info was there. There's also a picture of jewelry found with the dress, as well as other costumes found in that tomb. -- Lola J. Lee Quantum Research Corporation work - llee@qrc.com http://www.qrc.com/ home - lola@his.com http://www.his.com/~lola/ljl.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 15:47:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07264 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:47:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20140; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:04:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09507 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:04:42 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09485 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:04:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.153] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11qkWi-0000u3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:04:37 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991123035941.00b1b190@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:02:50 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: H-COST: Pattern 3 was Metal Stays for corset In-Reply-To: <7F402D0574C3D011ACF000A0C92B23D3025E10F6@nt13pv.apsc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Was she in >attendance to someone like an "Anne of Cleaves" who remained at court even >though she was divorced from Henry. Or could she have been married to a >German representative at court? > >I am not sure when the distinctive German style(more rounded silhouette, >plastrons, "Cranach" style etc.) 'went away' or even if it did. The German dress in 'Pattern 3' was way after Henry VIII. The rounded German style went away in the later decades of the 16th century, to be replaced by a more Spanish un-rounded look. Some Germans kept a slightly rounded front even while moving to the more Spanish bodice and sleeves look. The Dutch did this rounded-plus-Spanish hybrid too. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 15:47:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07263 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:47:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20141; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:04:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09509 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:04:43 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09499 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:04:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.152.144.153] (helo=George) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11qkWk-0000u3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:04:39 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19991123040420.00b166c0@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: kayta@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:07:17 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: H-COST: Metal Stays for corset In-Reply-To: <383C5CF1.C45C802F@his.com> References: <199911242109.OAA27074@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Picky with names department - Kohler. The book may be inaccurate, but I keep it for the photographs. Hey - all you have to do is translate back to their original silhouettes from the ones the models have... BTW, I think the same Pflagrafin's corset appears in Norah Waugh's book 'Corsets and Crinolines'. >> on Amazon.com). It's a book. A fabulous book. The >> corset mentioned is part of the burial clothing of a >> German Princess (Pfalzgrafin) whose name escapes me at >> > >Dorothea Sabine Maria von Neuberg. Died in 1598; this information (as well >as the >dress) is from Kohl. Yes, I know that book is somewhat inaccurate. But the >info >was there. There's also a picture of jewelry found with the dress, as well >as other >costumes found in that tomb. Kayta ////.\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ((( | -- )))) * ) ((((( /----\ /---\ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 15:52:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07285 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:51:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21498; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:10:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10822 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:09:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10815 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:09:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.230.171] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11qkbs-0001ZI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:09:57 -0800 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:05:27 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... In-Reply-To: <004501bf3691$b02d9b80$f046cfcf@gia-g> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 07:36 AM 11/24/1999, "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" wrote: Teddy, I'd be very interested in your opinions and conclusions of the results. I'm not sure if others on the list would be interested, so if you would email me privately that would be just awesome. Please, please please with sugar on top?? --Gia/Giacinta >================ Please add me to your list, Teddy. Hmm, if you've already sugar on top, perhaps some good lemon curd under? Carol / Gra/inne _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 15:53:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07289 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:53:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21688; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11038 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:10:58 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us [209.129.16.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11023; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:10:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us (ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us [10.1.100.1]) by intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA05680; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:10:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:12:37 -0800 Message-ID: From: Heidi Fox To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" , h-costume@indra.net Subject: RE: H-COST: (no subject) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:12:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Heidi Fox I'm sure that many responses on stomachers will be sent by you wise pros out there, but I thought I'd add my two cents...I discovered the American Girls series of books this week, and one of them is an introduction to the world of colonial America (ca. 1774) from a 9-year-old's point of view. There are several pages in "Welcome to Kirsten's World" dedicated to what people wore, including a wonderful photo or two of gowns with interchangable stomachers. -----Original Message----- From: Schmitt100@aol.com [mailto:Schmitt100@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 1:32 PM To: h-costume@indra.net Subject: H-COST: (no subject) -Poster: Schmitt100@aol.com The following request was sent to me from my niece (8 years old) and I was not sure what the answer would be - any hints? In school we are studying colonial times people. We've been talking about some of the clothes they wore. I was wondering what a stomacher was used for. My teacher did not know. She thought it might be used for making you look thinner but Mom said that is what corsets were for. Mom said you knew a lot about old clothes so I thought I'd ask you. ********************** Rebecca Schmitt So many books, so little time "Hard work is the accumulation of the easy things you didn't do when you should have." -Anonymous schmitt100@aol.com ********************** _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 15:56:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07293 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:56:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22189; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:15:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11923 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:15:06 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11902 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:15:01 -0700 (MST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.7a133386 (4315) for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:14:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.7a133386.256dbd42@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:14:26 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: (no subject) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com The corset (stays) were not to make one thinner so much as to mold the body into the proper posture. (Shoulders back and torso straight--no slumping.) Someone else might weigh in with more. I think the stomacher was just to fill the gap in the front. The fitting of a gown was not an exact science, and the gap gave some leeway for fitting. It was also, of course, highly decorative. I hope this is close to being correct. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 16:12:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07337 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:12:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24252; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:30:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15238 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:30:27 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hevanet.com (root@hevanet.com [198.5.254.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15221 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:30:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from wanda (gl-ppp20.hevanet.com [204.119.60.40]) by hevanet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA05595 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:30:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:29:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <004501bf3691$b02d9b80$f046cfcf@gia-g> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Wanda Pease" Please post to the list. If you simply use Organ pipe pleats-again as the Subject, anyone who is uninterested can just delete. I'd be especially interested in getting a full length skirt to fall like the Cranach ones. I've a big book of their paintings, several of which show the ladies sitting down, and the pleats are certainly _not_ stay taped past crotch level nor do they appear to be made up of trapezoids (no seam lines) as you can see the skirt smoothed out over their legs. I've used cartridge pleats to get the line of _some_ of the dresses very successfully, but I'm sure there are other ways of doing them, and regional differences. Regina Romsey > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Gia Gavino-Gattshall > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 7:37 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... > > > > -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" > > Teddy, I'd be very interested in your opinions and conclusions of the > results. I'm not sure if others on the list would be > interested, so if you > would email me privately that would be just awesome. > > Please, please please with sugar on top?? > > Gia/Giacinta > ================ > Teddy wrote: > I got hold of that book hoping the "diagram" mentioned showed > constuction method rather than a flat-pattern draft of the garment. > > I suspect (after a lot of off-list clarification - thanks Dietmar) that > what has confused me is that there appear to be two methods of > constucting these pleats - same/similar results from the *outside*, > different look on the inside and I've been trying to visualise one > result when reading descriptions of the other method. My > conclusin is that I'll have to do small mock-ups of both and see > which I prefer (and *how* similar they turn out) > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 16:19:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07342 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:18:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25052; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:36:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16808 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:36:44 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16779 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:36:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.230.171] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11ql1i-0004cC-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:36:38 -0800 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:32:06 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: oops In-Reply-To: <383C3ABA.5EA@netwiz.net> References: <0.13b9204e.256b1ee2@aol.com> <000201bf361a$87bb1e60$3cf1143f@pavilion> <383C3378.652D@netwiz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 11:21 AM 11/24/1999, Susan Fatemi wrote: sorry, didn't mean to send to the whole list. Now you will all become jealous and move to the Bay Area. (good luck finding housing!) Not to mention that the "big one" [earthquake] should be coming any time now... Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 17:00:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07450 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:00:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00494; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:18:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25758 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:18:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25742 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:18:01 -0700 (MST) From: NScqweb@aol.com Received: from NScqweb@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.48279fbf (2712) for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:16:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.48279fbf.256dcbb5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:16:05 EST Subject: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: NScqweb@aol.com Hello everyone, I am working a grouping of embroidery pieces with a number of bee motifs for my classroom (I teach high school ... don't ask how this goes together). The main sampler has all my kids' initials embroidered in the borders, flowers, and BEES. I am looking for 2 things: bee quotes (Barlett's was pretty limited) and information on what bees symbolize, both in needlework history and as in "busy as a bee," "industrious virtue" etc. I am hoping to find resources similar to the kinds of stuff we have about the language of flowers. Bees appear in early embroidery samplers, but I only have 2 books on historical needlework, which are beauteous for patterns but not much real explanation of symbolism. I have hunted up some info on bees in Medieval heraldry, and know that bees turn up Colonial American and Victorian needlework, but I don't have real sources, just my impressions. Because of what I teach, these are the historical periods for "bee-ness" in which I am most interested. Also,I remember hearing at the time that Sarah "Fergie" Ferguson's wedding dress had a bunch of bees embroidered on the train because of some family connection. Am I dreaming or how would I go about finding this? Any ideas, web or text hints etc. Web searches keep sending me off to read about people's quilting or stitiching groups/bees. Uff. This project is a surprise for my students, that I am hoping to complete over the holidays and have up in my classroom when my young Visionaries come back from school holidays. I would really appreciate any help on this topic, and will be posting the "Bee Visionary" needlework projects on a web site when they are done, in case you decide you've gotta know what bees have to do with high school junior English class (no, not spelling bees.....). Thanks for any and all ideas/help/URLS/ etc. (-: Nancy Shour hprynne99@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 17:08:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07471 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:08:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01359; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:26:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27303 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:26:34 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ntserver1.mainsaver.com ([206.17.202.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27283 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:26:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by HP-LH3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:18:12 -0800 Message-ID: <5B38B8D7EED8D211997F00A0C9E57FB91DB612@HP-LH3> From: MAGGIE SECARA To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:18:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MAGGIE SECARA > -Poster: NScqweb@aol.com [...] > Also,I remember hearing at the time that Sarah "Fergie" Ferguson's wedding > dress had a bunch of bees embroidered on the train because of some family > connection. Am I dreaming or how would I go about finding this? [...] I don't know about the rest, but as I recall, there are bees in Sarah Ferguson's family arms, which is why they appeared on her wedding gown > MaggiRos > Mairghread-Ros FitzGarret of Desmond Mary, Countess of Southampton Clara Munter, the Sojer's Friend and even Maggie Secara maggiros@dm.net > ~All my men wear a sword, > or they wear nothing at all. > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 17:13:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07495 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:13:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01882; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:30:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28134 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:30:39 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us [209.129.16.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28120 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:30:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us (ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us [10.1.100.1]) by intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA10173 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:32:22 -0800 Message-ID: From: Heidi Fox To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:32:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Heidi Fox I seem to recall that bees were associated with Napolean and that Empire, showing up in the fabric of furniture and clothing. Heidi -----Original Message----- From: MAGGIE SECARA [mailto:SECARAM@mainsaver.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 3:18 PM To: 'h-costume@indra.com' Subject: RE: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help -Poster: MAGGIE SECARA > -Poster: NScqweb@aol.com [...] > Also,I remember hearing at the time that Sarah "Fergie" Ferguson's wedding > dress had a bunch of bees embroidered on the train because of some family > connection. Am I dreaming or how would I go about finding this? [...] I don't know about the rest, but as I recall, there are bees in Sarah Ferguson's family arms, which is why they appeared on her wedding gown > MaggiRos > Mairghread-Ros FitzGarret of Desmond Mary, Countess of Southampton Clara Munter, the Sojer's Friend and even Maggie Secara maggiros@dm.net > ~All my men wear a sword, > or they wear nothing at all. > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 17:17:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07516 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:17:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02261; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:35:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28983 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:35:24 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com [205.134.253.131]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28971 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:35:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.134.244.98] (ppp-asok02--098.sirius.net [205.134.244.98]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA18009 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:35:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911242335.PAA18009@mail1.sirius.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: oops Date: Wed, 24 Nov 99 15:32:05 -0800 x-sender: haggis@pop.sirius.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Pelikan To: "H-Costume" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Pelikan > Not to mention that the "big one" [earthquake] should be coming >any time now... Carol If you haven't been through one, you don't have the right to joke about it. Nadine Pelikan-rocked, rolled and help pick up the pieces in '89. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 17:22:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07522 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:22:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02675; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:41:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29967 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:40:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29958 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:40:57 -0700 (MST) From: SAQUEEN@aol.com Received: from SAQUEEN@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.1d1cc6f3 (4326) for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:40:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.1d1cc6f3.256dd162@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:40:18 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: (no subject) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com Felicity is the American Girls doll of 1776 and she does have a stomacher on her blue gown that she wears to the ball at the Governor's Palace. We based the design on a little girls gown in the Colonial Williamsburg collection as all her clothes we based on extant garments. She has really helped show girls and moms what people wore in the pre-Revolutionary period. A stomacher was the front triangular piece that hooked or pinned onto the body of the gown. Purpose was both functional -easier to drape the body from the bust point than meeting at the front. Closed front gowns and jackets happen in the late 1770s and 1780s. The stomacher also allowed for a smaller piece of fabric that could be changed/decorated/ornamented thus changing and updating the gown at a lower cost. Sally Queen Calendar 2000: Historic Fashions Turning the Centuries http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 17:25:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07526 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:25:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02926; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:44:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00728 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:44:11 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA00721 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:44:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.19.1.106] ([172.19.1.106]) by mail.cho.org; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:43:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.48279fbf.256dcbb5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:44:53 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lynn Downward >-Poster: NScqweb@aol.com > >Hello everyone, > >I am working a grouping of embroidery pieces with a number of bee motifs >for my classroom (I teach high school ... don't ask how this goes >together). The main sampler has all my kids' initials embroidered in the >borders, flowers, and BEES. I am looking for 2 things: bee quotes >(Barlett's was pretty limited) and information on what bees symbolize, >both in needlework history and as in "busy as a bee," "industrious >virtue" etc. I am hoping to find resources similar to the kinds of stuff >we have about the language of flowers. Bees appear in early embroidery >samplers, but I only have 2 books on historical needlework, which are >beauteous for patterns but not much real explanation of symbolism. >I have hunted up some info on bees in Medieval heraldry, and know that >bees turn up Colonial American and Victorian needlework, but I don't have >real sources, just my impressions. Because of what I teach, these are the >historical periods for "bee-ness" in which I am most interested. > >Also,I remember hearing at the time that Sarah "Fergie" Ferguson's wedding >dress had a bunch of bees embroidered on the train because of some family >connection. Am I dreaming or how would I go about finding this? > >Any ideas, web or text hints etc. Web searches keep sending me off to >read about people's quilting or stitiching groups/bees. Uff. This >project is a >surprise for my students, that I am hoping to complete over the holidays >and have up in my classroom when my young Visionaries come back from >school holidays. I would really appreciate any help on this topic, and >will be posting the "Bee Visionary" needlework projects on a web site when >they are done, in case you decide you've gotta know what bees have to do >with high school junior English class (no, not spelling bees.....). > >Thanks for any and all ideas/help/URLS/ etc. (-: > >Nancy Shour >hprynne99@aol.com Napoleon Bonapart was also big on the bee symbol, but I can't remember why. (They were also little pricks?) Did I say that in my outside voice? One of the great ancient Greek thinkers (Aristotle?) kept bees on his farm. He liked to sit in the sun and watch them work; it helped him to think. I know; this isn't helping much. LynnD _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 17:36:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07535 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:36:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04137; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:54:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02643 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:54:31 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us [209.129.16.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02635 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:54:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us (ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us [10.1.100.1]) by intergate.sdccd.cc.ca.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA11355 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:54:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by ntxdistrict.sdccd.cc.ca.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:56:14 -0800 Message-ID: From: Heidi Fox To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: (no subject) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:55:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Heidi Fox Thanks for that correction Sally! I thought the whole series of books was great, and am glad to hear someone else's opinion. I have yet to see the dolls. -----Original Message----- From: SAQUEEN@aol.com [mailto:SAQUEEN@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 3:40 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: (no subject) -Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com Felicity is the American Girls doll of 1776 and she does have a stomacher on her blue gown that she wears to the ball at the Governor's Palace. We based the design on a little girls gown in the Colonial Williamsburg collection as all her clothes we based on extant garments. She has really helped show girls and moms what people wore in the pre-Revolutionary period. A stomacher was the front triangular piece that hooked or pinned onto the body of the gown. Purpose was both functional -easier to drape the body from the bust point than meeting at the front. Closed front gowns and jackets happen in the late 1770s and 1780s. The stomacher also allowed for a smaller piece of fabric that could be changed/decorated/ornamented thus changing and updating the gown at a lower cost. Sally Queen Calendar 2000: Historic Fashions Turning the Centuries http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 17:40:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07541 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:40:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04800; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:58:48 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03533 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:58:45 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ntserver1.mainsaver.com ([206.17.202.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03525 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:58:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by HP-LH3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:50:23 -0800 Message-ID: <5B38B8D7EED8D211997F00A0C9E57FB91DB613@HP-LH3> From: MAGGIE SECARA To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:50:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MAGGIE SECARA Come to think of it, there's an old English country tradition that says you have to go tell your bees when major events happen in the family, births and deaths and weddings and so on. They're very social creatures, after all, and like other social critters, love to gossip. Apparently if you fail to tell them the news, they will leave and not come back, taking their luck (and yours) with them. > MaggiRos > > Mary Countess of Southampton Clara Munter, the Sojer's Friend Mairghread-Ros FitzGarrett of Desmond (O.L. Caid) and sometimes even Maggie Secara http://ren.dm.net > ~All my men wear a sword, > or they wear nothing at all. > > > ---------- > From: Lynn Downward[SMTP:ldownward@chori.org] > Reply To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 3:44 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help > > > -Poster: Lynn Downward > > >-Poster: NScqweb@aol.com > > > >Hello everyone, > > > >I am working a grouping of embroidery pieces with a number of bee motifs > >for my classroom (I teach high school ... don't ask how this goes > >together). The main sampler has all my kids' initials embroidered in the > >borders, flowers, and BEES. I am looking for 2 things: bee quotes > >(Barlett's was pretty limited) and information on what bees symbolize, > >both in needlework history and as in "busy as a bee," "industrious > >virtue" etc. I am hoping to find resources similar to the kinds of stuff > >we have about the language of flowers. Bees appear in early embroidery > >samplers, but I only have 2 books on historical needlework, which are > >beauteous for patterns but not much real explanation of symbolism. > >I have hunted up some info on bees in Medieval heraldry, and know that > >bees turn up Colonial American and Victorian needlework, but I don't have > >real sources, just my impressions. Because of what I teach, these are the > >historical periods for "bee-ness" in which I am most interested. > > > >Also,I remember hearing at the time that Sarah "Fergie" Ferguson's > wedding > >dress had a bunch of bees embroidered on the train because of some family > >connection. Am I dreaming or how would I go about finding this? > > > >Any ideas, web or text hints etc. Web searches keep sending me off to > >read about people's quilting or stitiching groups/bees. Uff. This > >project is a > >surprise for my students, that I am hoping to complete over the holidays > >and have up in my classroom when my young Visionaries come back from > >school holidays. I would really appreciate any help on this topic, and > >will be posting the "Bee Visionary" needlework projects on a web site > when > >they are done, in case you decide you've gotta know what bees have to do > >with high school junior English class (no, not spelling bees.....). > > > >Thanks for any and all ideas/help/URLS/ etc. (-: > > > >Nancy Shour > >hprynne99@aol.com > > > Napoleon Bonapart was also big on the bee symbol, but I can't remember > why. > (They were also little pricks?) Did I say that in my outside voice? > > One of the great ancient Greek thinkers (Aristotle?) kept bees on his > farm. > He liked to sit in the sun and watch them work; it helped him to think. > > I know; this isn't helping much. > > LynnD > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 18:24:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07586 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:24:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11607; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10843 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:41:38 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta1-svc.virgin.net (mta1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.142]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10837 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:41:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.67.151]) by mta1-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19991125004220.BEEC1691.mta1-svc@LOCALNAME> for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:42:20 +0000 Message-ID: <383CFABA.39B4@virgin.net> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:00:42 -0800 From: Dawn Organization: ages of elegance (http://www.ageofelegance.dabsol.co.uk) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN712-000 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: latest project References: <4.1.19991118011304.00a3b760@post.strato.de> <383CF93A.46AF@virgin.net> <383CFA43.D16@virgin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Dawn dear list, Sarah Junipers Shoe catalogue is now online at my website http://www.ageofelegance.dabsol.co.uk/shoes.htm Military metalwork is now online at www.metalwork.supanet.com (this will change next week when we domain name but we will be having web forwarding so you will still be able to access on these. Dawn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 19:25:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07641 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:25:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17053; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:43:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18588 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:42:47 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18581 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:42:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.230.171] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11qnvn-0000x0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:42:44 -0800 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:38:12 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: oops In-Reply-To: <199911242335.PAA18009@mail1.sirius.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 03:32 PM 11/24/1999 -0800, you wrote: > >-Poster: Pelikan > >> Not to mention that the "big one" [earthquake] should be coming >>any time now... Carol >If you haven't been through one, you don't have the right to joke about >it. >Nadine Pelikan-rocked, rolled and help pick up the pieces in '89. I've been close enough...And I reserve the right to joke about it. It helps keep me sane, thank you. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 19:59:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07671 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:59:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18795; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:16:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22800 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:16:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22794 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:16:12 -0700 (MST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.6af0ea90 (4312) for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:15:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.6af0ea90.256df5c4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:15:32 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com Yes, Napoleon used the bee as a symbol (b for Bonaparte.) It was one of the motifs on Josephine's coronation robes. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 20:13:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07687 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:13:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19973; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:30:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24582 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:30:39 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24576 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:30:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from megabox (ip42.r5.d.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.173.42]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA25803; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:30:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Cathy Harding" To: "Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) -Garb" , , Subject: H-COST: Traveling to Charlotte NC Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:40:55 -0800 Message-ID: <000401bf36ee$7f10ff80$4600000a@megabox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <383C8F0F.8A9E7645@home.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Cathy Harding" Greetings all, (sorry for cross postings for those who are mutliple lists) I find that I will be traveling for business reasons to the Charlotte NC area next wednesday. I may find myself at loose ends on Friday. What is there to do in the area (food, fabric or museums are what I have in mind). I won't have a rental car. Maeve (cathy Harding) That Crier editor who is looking for a successor An Tir (Seattle) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 20:17:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07691 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:17:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20403; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:35:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25102 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:35:25 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bartlefrere.ebay.com (bartlefrere.ebay.com [216.33.156.93]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25096 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:35:23 -0700 (MST) From: joanj@quiknet.com Received: from shingleback.ebay.com (shingleback.ebay.com [216.32.120.84]) by bartlefrere.ebay.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8932BB14 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:35:23 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Interesting item on eBay web site item#206353079: Sewing Bags & Vintage Patterns Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 Pacific Standard Time Message-Id: <19991125023523.8932BB14@bartlefrere.ebay.com> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: joanj@quiknet.com I saw this item for sale at eBay and thought that some of you might be interested. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA Title of item: Sewing Bags & Vintage Patterns Seller: pandora@nemaine.com Starts: 11/23/99, 10:00:29 PST Ends: 11/30/99, 10:00:29 PST Price: Currently $11.09 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=206353079 Item Description: Three sewing bags, two are hand made, the other is by Roxanne New York. Included are 20 plus vintage McCalls, Simplicity and Superior patterns from the late 40's and 50's. Shipping $6.00 US. IMPORTANT, Buyer to pay shipping, Insurance is extra if requested, checks and money orders are fine if received in 12 DAYS, after 13 days item will be re-listed or I will notify the next in line at that time I will post the appropriate feedback. Buyer must also confirm the sale via email within 3 days of auction closing. Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at http://www.ebay.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 21:18:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07761 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:18:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26782; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:36:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02603 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:36:13 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02582 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:36:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([63.28.166.48]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19991125033538.IKHF3383@worldnet.att.net> for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 03:35:38 +0000 Message-ID: <383CAED6.B9F26EE4@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:36:54 -0800 From: don and carolyn richardson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: (new topic) The Costume Institute exhibit References: <199911232201.OAA05876@ivic.ivic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: don and carolyn richardson Lorene Dinsmore wrote: > > -Poster: "Lorene Dinsmore" > > Kathleen Norvell wrote of her disappointing trip to the Costume Institute, > and I was reminded that I still, after four trips to the Getty have yet to > see their infamous collection of illuminations. Each time I have gone, > even after calling to be sure they were on exhibit, they were not. > Fortunately, the trip is only about 2 hours, entrance is free, and I enjoy > the rest of the museum. > > Lorene Lorene, it's pretty easy to get yourself on the Getty's mailing list, so they send you monthly updates. Right now, nothing good in illuminations is being shown but they are opening a new show in mid-January featuring a new book they've acquired. You can also check out the current exhibits at www.getty.org. Carolyn (and Getty junkie) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 21:31:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07769 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:31:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27768; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:48:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03928 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:48:34 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pop02.ex-pressnet.com ([24.239.0.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03921 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:48:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from alt1 ([24.239.14.77]) by pop02.ex-pressnet.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:42:50 -0500 From: "Allison Thurman" To: Subject: H-COST: bees Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:46:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Allison Thurman" If I remember correctly, Napoloen borrowed the bee imagery from the Merovingian dynasty (medieval royal family) up to the point of using some gold bees found in a Merovingian tomb as decoration for his coronation robe. The source for this is not a costume book so it could be wrong. allison From: Heidi Fox Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:32:14 -0800 Subject: RE: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help - -Poster: Heidi Fox I seem to recall that bees were associated with Napolean and that Empire, showing up in the fabric of furniture and clothing. Heidi _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 21:47:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07776 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:47:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28904; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:03:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05728 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:03:36 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from loki.intrepid.net (IDENT:root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05720 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:03:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from default (pm3frd1-68-109.intrepid.net [206.102.68.109]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA30281 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:03:32 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991124230848.00898140@intrepid.net> X-Sender: sshatto@intrepid.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:08:48 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sue Shatto Subject: Re: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help In-Reply-To: <0.48279fbf.256dcbb5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Sue Shatto I understood bees to be of the Napoleonic Period. At 06:16 PM 11/24/99 EST, you wrote: > >-Poster: NScqweb@aol.com > >Hello everyone, > >I am working a grouping of embroidery pieces with a number of bee motifs for my classroom (I teach high school ... don't ask how this goes together). The main sampler has all my kids' initials embroidered in the borders, flowers, and BEES. I am looking for 2 things: bee quotes (Barlett's was pretty limited) and information on what bees symbolize, both in needlework history and as in "busy as a bee," "industrious virtue" etc. I am hoping to find resources similar to the kinds of stuff we have about the language of flowers. Bees appear in early embroidery samplers, but I only have 2 books on historical needlework, which are beauteous for patterns but not much real explanation of symbolism. >I have hunted up some info on bees in Medieval heraldry, and know that bees turn up Colonial American and Victorian needlework, but I don't have real sources, just my impressions. Because of what I teach, these are the historical periods for "bee-ness" in which I am most interested. > >Also,I remember hearing at the time that Sarah "Fergie" Ferguson's wedding dress had a bunch of bees embroidered on the train because of some family connection. Am I dreaming or how would I go about finding this? > >Any ideas, web or text hints etc. Web searches keep sending me off to read about people's quilting or stitiching groups/bees. Uff. This project is a >surprise for my students, that I am hoping to complete over the holidays and have up in my classroom when my young Visionaries come back from school holidays. I would really appreciate any help on this topic, and will be posting the "Bee Visionary" needlework projects on a web site when they are done, in case you decide you've gotta know what bees have to do with high school junior English class (no, not spelling bees.....). > >Thanks for any and all ideas/help/URLS/ etc. (-: > >Nancy Shour >hprynne99@aol.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > Cordially, Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com http://www.VictorianMillinery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 22:11:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07791 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:11:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00508; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:27:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08175 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:27:17 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08144 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:27:13 -0700 (MST) Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id ER9AJWAY; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:25:50 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:23:09 -0600 Subject: Re: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help Message-ID: <19991124.222442.-3985001.0.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-8 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Karen R Bergquist Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Karen R Bergquist As I understand it, the Napoleonic bees actually came from Merovingian graves which had been opened during the Revolution. The Merovingians were the dynasty which ruled France before Charles Martel (their chamberlain) seized power form them in a coup. The bees were used as decorations in the graves and Napoleon took them as a symbol of the power which ruled France before the ruling houses of Valois/Bourbon usurped their authority. Of course this begs the question of why the merovingians used bees as a decorative motif......but there you are. Karen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 22:14:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07799 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:14:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01173; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:31:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08672 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:31:31 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08664 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:31:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id ER9ATT8A; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:30:43 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:28:53 -0600 Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... Message-ID: <19991124.222905.-3985001.1.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-7 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Karen R Bergquist Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Karen R Bergquist In QEWUL'D, there is a period woodcut of a skirt being set with the pleats by hanging it with weights attached to bars going across the width of the skirt. these bars seem to hold the pleats in place while the weight provides the means to set them in a relatively permanent way. I believe that the woodcut is by Jost Amman from his Book of Trades, but as i don't have the book handy, I could be mistaken. Karen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 22:21:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07805 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:21:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01805; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:39:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09769 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:39:11 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09758 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:39:08 -0700 (MST) From: SNSpies@aol.com Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.b896c894 (4565) for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:38:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.b896c894.256e174a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:38:34 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: SNSpies@aol.com I don't know if this is anything like what you are looking for ... A lesser Greek deity, Aristaeus, was keeper of the bees. A major Hindu god, Kama, was a beautiful youth armed with a bow and arrows. His bow was made of sugar cane; the string was made from a line of honey bees; each arrow was tipped with a flower. Nice imagery, that last one. I just found these quickly on the Web, so there may be more. Nancy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 22:38:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07811 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:38:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02782; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:55:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11714 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:55:34 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11709 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:55:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.167.66.53] (sdts10-53.znet.net [207.167.66.53]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with ESMTP id UAA00120 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:55:30 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-From: savaskan@sd.znet.com X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:59:26 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: Re: Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Julie Adams The roll back cartridge should have the same problem that that regular cartridge pleats do, there is so much fabric where it attaches to the body or band that the edge of the skirt stands out at the hips in a shelf rather than dropping in a steep cone as the ones in the German paintings do... The bases pattern in Payne eliminates the extra fabric. These may be padded as well, and I've done some for SCA fighting that have built in pads that go down to the hip. But they are not visible and the pads are not necessary if the bases are done with a heavy lining that will hold its shape. Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 22:43:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07817 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:43:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02785; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:55:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11725 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:55:38 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11717 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:55:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.167.66.53] (sdts10-53.znet.net [207.167.66.53]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with ESMTP id UAA00138 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:55:34 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-From: savaskan@sd.znet.com X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <004501bf3691$b02d9b80$f046cfcf@gia-g> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:49:37 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: RE: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Julie Adams >I'd be especially interested in getting a full length skirt to fall like the >Cranach ones. I've a big book of their paintings, several of which show the >ladies sitting down, and the pleats are certainly _not_ stay taped past >crotch level Organ pipe pleats normally aren't stay taped past the crotch level. And the pinch seams only need to run 4-6" down from the waist depending how precise you want them to stay at the bottom of the gown. And there are some German gowns where women are sitting that clearly show the seams go all the way to the hem for each pleat too. >nor do they appear to be made up of trapezoids (no seam lines) And organ pipe pleats don't need to be cut in trapezoids. They can be cut in 1/2 or 1/4 circles. But note that this is somewhat moot as there are NO seamlines showing in most Cranach paintings and we all know that there must be SOME seamlines somewhere. As far as I know, the original bases (shown in Payne, Kohler and others) are the only extant garment with these pleats. And they work. Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Nov 24 22:44:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07821 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:44:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03388; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:02:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12611 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:02:20 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12603 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:02:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.167.66.53] (sdts10-53.znet.net [207.167.66.53]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with ESMTP id VAA01032 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:02:16 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-From: savaskan@sd.znet.com X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991124.222905.-3985001.1.seamstrix@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:01:38 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Julie Adams >-Poster: Karen R Bergquist > >In QEWUL'D, there is a period woodcut of a skirt being set with the >pleats by hanging it with weights attached to bars going across the width >of the skirt. these bars seem to hold the pleats in place while the >weight provides the means to set them in a relatively permanent way. I >believe that the woodcut is by Jost Amman from his Book of Trades, but as >i don't have the book handy, I could be mistaken. Yes. That is exactly how I set organ pipe pleats. Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 00:54:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07932 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:54:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13741; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:12:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25904 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:12:05 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25890 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:12:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17254 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-58-25.lightspeed.net [209.165.58.25]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13101 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:11:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002f01bf3716$92d7fd20$c8c3fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: References: <0.bd30281b.256db36b@aol.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: (no subject) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:27:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" > -Poster: Schmitt100@aol.com >My teacher did > not know. She thought it might be used for making you > look thinner but Mom said that is what corsets were > for. > Rebecca Schmitt Well, it can make you 'look' thinner. If you use a patterned area, with a darker solid color on the sides, it would give the illusion. So, they are both right. As a reason, you could just tell her that it was the 'style' of the time or the in thing. A lot of times, too much information is lost on such a young mind. Or it just leads to a thousand more questions. How much time do you have? ;) Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 01:57:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07956 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:57:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15830; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:15:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01539 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:15:15 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from spamgaac.compuserve.com (as-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.217.146]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01529 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:15:12 -0700 (MST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id DAA21775 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 03:14:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 03:13:39 -0500 From: Margaret Bolger Subject: Re: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help To: "INTERNET:h-costume@indra.com" Message-ID: <199911250314_MC2-8E8D-3259@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id BAA01530 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Margaret Bolger Message text written by INTERNET:h-costume@indra.com >know that bees turn up Colonial American and Victorian needlework, but I don't have real sources, just my impressions. Because of what I teach, these are the historical periods for "bee-ness" in which I am most interested.< In Victorian UK, bees were a symbol of industry/industrial endeavour. Manchester Town Hall - built by the major industry leaders in the area in 19thC - is *full of bees! They feature on the stained glass windows, the walls and the floor tiles - if memory serves me correctly it is quite an attractive bee motif. I know there are a few web sites in which the town hall is featured, with images etc, but am not sure if the bees are shown. Maybe another UK list member can help more with this? The one web site I have used has lots of images of the Town Hall - http://www.manchester.gov.uk Margaret antique costume & textiles http://www.artizania.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 04:02:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA11578 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 04:02:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20964; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 03:20:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08910 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 03:20:27 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.70]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08725 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 03:20:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from netspace.net.au.netspace.net.au (dialup-t2-38.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [210.15.192.38]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/NS) with ESMTP id VAA05450 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:20:17 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199911251020.VAA05450@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: bees Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:06:28 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Christopher Ballis" Yep...300 gold bees on the Merovignian coronation robe (and don't try to make one, it'll kill ya - believe me!) Napoleon used them to try to support his claim to the throne of that part of the world. There is a representation of it in the portrait of the coronation painted by David. If my feeble brane serves me, there is a picture of a Merovignian statuette in History of Costume in the West (20,000 Years of Fashion) by Boucher. Stylised but what the hell, you can see the bees marked on it. -C. > If I remember correctly, Napoloen borrowed the bee imagery from the > Merovingian dynasty (medieval royal family) up to the point of using some > gold bees found in a Merovingian tomb as decoration for his coronation robe. > The source for this is not a costume book so it could be wrong. > > allison _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 05:24:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11637 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 05:24:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA23495; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 04:42:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14867 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 04:41:47 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.alltel.net (mail.alltel.net [166.102.165.30]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14859 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 04:41:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from alltel.net (r-246.77.alltel.net [166.102.246.77]) by mail.alltel.net (8.9.3/ALLTEL Messaging Service) with ESMTP id FAA02912 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 05:41:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <383D2001.59F6934E@alltel.net> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 06:39:45 -0500 From: "jmhr@alltel.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: bees Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "jmhr@alltel.net" Come to think of it, there's an old English country tradition that says you
have to go tell your bees when major events happen in the family, births and
deaths and weddings and so on.

This is old southern Appalachian tradition, too.

Melissa _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 08:18:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11742 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:18:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01700; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28826 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:36:21 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f258.hotmail.com [209.185.130.174]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA28819 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:36:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 5329 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 1999 14:35:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19991125143549.5328.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.32.68.206 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 06:35:49 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.32.68.206] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 06:35:49 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" I have read that one reason Napoleon liked the bee was because it was a symbol of industry... many beings working together for a common goal. Don't remember exactly where, tho'; sorry. Susannah >From: Karen R Bergquist >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >CC: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help >Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:23:09 -0600 > > >-Poster: Karen R Bergquist > >As I understand it, the Napoleonic bees actually came from Merovingian >graves which had been opened during the Revolution. The Merovingians were >the dynasty which ruled France before Charles Martel (their chamberlain) >seized power form them in a coup. The bees were used as decorations in >the graves and Napoleon took them as a symbol of the power which ruled >France before the ruling houses of Valois/Bourbon usurped their >authority. Of course this begs the question of why the merovingians used >bees as a decorative motif......but there you are. > >Karen > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 08:33:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11769 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:33:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02461; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:51:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00451 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:51:27 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f135.hotmail.com [209.185.131.198]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA00444 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:51:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 94403 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 1999 14:51:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19991125145119.94402.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.32.68.206 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 06:51:18 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.32.68.206] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Traveling to Charlotte NC Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 06:51:18 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Seeing that Charlotte was once my historical stomping ground... The Hezekiah Alexander Homesite (just north of Independence Blvd.)is a must-see (I did some of the clothing for the docents there), along with the Charlotte Museum of History which is on the same site. Also, Latta Plantation in Huntersville, about 10-15 minutes away off of Beattie's Ford Road, and the Presbyterian Church nearby, which is one of the original "Seven Sisters" churches, all but one of which is still standing with active congregations. The Mint Museum had an interesting shoe exhibit not too long ago, but their costume collection was badly compromised by a theatrically-inspired "helper" who came in and took early- to mid-19th c. dresses apart to make patterns for his own purposes and put them all back together with his sewing machine. Don't even ask me about it; he did it all over the state in the mid-to-late 1970s, even at the state museum. It was heartbreaking to see the results. If you get down to Waxhaw, there are some of Jason's & my pieces in the museum collection there: the soldiers, Tarleton's Legion outfit, and some of the female mannekins c. 1760 & 1860s... but I hear they have changed out some of the stuff so it may no longer be there. James K. Polk Memorial has reproductions of Mrs. Polk's Inaugural Ball gown, corset, corded silk petticoat, and the embroidered chemise that I did. They also have an original military uniform c. late 1840s that Mr. Polk's brother wore in the Mexican War, and Santa Ana's battle flag, along with interesting early backwoods exhibits. At Latta Plantation, Mr. Latta's frock coat and linen shirt may still be on the bed in the Master Bedroom that I did several years ago also. Let me know if things have changed when you get back... I don't keep much in contact with them anymore. If you like gardens, Wing Haven is a must-see; featured in Victoria Magazine not too many years back. I'm probably forgetting some obvious things, but this is what immediately comes to mind, and will certainly get you started. Cheers! Susannah >From: "Cathy Harding" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: "Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) -Garb" , > , >Subject: H-COST: Traveling to Charlotte NC >Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:40:55 -0800 > > >-Poster: "Cathy Harding" > >Greetings all, (sorry for cross postings for those who are mutliple lists) > >I find that I will be traveling for business reasons to the Charlotte NC >area next wednesday. I may find myself at loose ends on Friday. What is >there to do in the area (food, fabric or museums are what I have in mind). >I won't have a rental car. > >Maeve (cathy Harding) >That Crier editor who is looking for a successor >An Tir (Seattle) > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 08:40:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11775 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:40:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02899; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:58:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01228 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:58:41 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01222 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:58:38 -0700 (MST) From: SNSpies@aol.com Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.8ebf01a9 (4391) for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:58:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.8ebf01a9.256ea87b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:58:03 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: bees To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: SNSpies@aol.com << 300 gold bees on the Merovignian coronation robe >> Could you please be so kind as to post the reference for this information? I would appreciate it very much. Thanks. Nancy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 09:20:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11820 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:19:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05487; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:38:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05699 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:37:53 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from cdale3.midwest.net (cdale3.midwest.net [208.235.1.20]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05691 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:37:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from talk2meg.midwest.net (johnstoncity1.midwest.net [208.235.11.139]) by cdale3.midwest.net (8.9.0/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14572 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:37:49 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199911251537.JAA14572@cdale3.midwest.net> From: "Mary-Gayle Jany" To: Subject: H-COST: RE: bees Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:38:53 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Mary-Gayle Jany" I don't think anyone has mentioned The Complete Guide to Heraldry's version concerning bees in heraldry, so the following may be useful. CGH says that the bee is the "most usually met" insect in heraldry. It occurs "in the arms of Dore, Beatson, Abercromby, Smauel, and Sewell, either as a charge or as a crest". In various other poses, it also appears in the arms of Ferguson, Kettle of Wolverhampton, Gwatkin, and Rowe. CGH also says that Napoleon "adopted them under the impression, which may or may not be correct, that they had at one time been the badge of Childeric, father of Clovis. The whole story connected with their assumption by Napoleon has been a matter of much controversy...." and "Napoleon changed the fleur-de-lis upon the chief in the arms of Paris to golden bees upon a chief of gules, and a chief azure, seme of bees or, was added as indicative of their rank to the arms of "Princes-Grand-Dignitaries of the Empire." All the above information is on page 260 of *The Wordsworth Complete Guide to Heraldry," ISBN 1-8526-365-6. Hope it helps. Meg _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 09:40:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11834 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:40:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06844; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:58:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07842 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:58:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07835 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:58:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00581 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA16969 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:59:08 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:59:08 -0500 (EST) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: cranach skirts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: aleed I use rolled pleats to achieve a Cranach skirt--there's a description of rolled pleats (and stacked pleats, which can achieve a similar effect) at http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/pleats/ Drea On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Wanda Pease wrote: > > -Poster: "Wanda Pease" > > Please post to the list. If you simply use Organ pipe pleats-again as the > Subject, anyone who is uninterested can just delete. > > I'd be especially interested in getting a full length skirt to fall like the > Cranach ones. I've a big book of their paintings, several of which show the > ladies sitting down, and the pleats are certainly _not_ stay taped past > crotch level nor do they appear to be made up of trapezoids (no seam lines) > as you can see the skirt smoothed out over their legs. I've used cartridge > pleats to get the line of _some_ of the dresses very successfully, but I'm > sure there are other ways of doing them, and regional differences. > > Regina Romsey > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On > > Behalf Of Gia Gavino-Gattshall > > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 7:37 AM > > To: h-costume@indra.com > > Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... > > > > > > > > -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" > > > > Teddy, I'd be very interested in your opinions and conclusions of the > > results. I'm not sure if others on the list would be > > interested, so if you > > would email me privately that would be just awesome. > > > > Please, please please with sugar on top?? > > > > Gia/Giacinta > > ================ > > Teddy wrote: > > I got hold of that book hoping the "diagram" mentioned showed > > constuction method rather than a flat-pattern draft of the garment. > > > > I suspect (after a lot of off-list clarification - thanks Dietmar) that > > what has confused me is that there appear to be two methods of > > constucting these pleats - same/similar results from the *outside*, > > different look on the inside and I've been trying to visualise one > > result when reading descriptions of the other method. My > > conclusin is that I'll have to do small mock-ups of both and see > > which I prefer (and *how* similar they turn out) > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 11:05:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11949 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:05:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14231; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:23:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18070 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:22:31 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18063 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:22:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991125172223.GVMY22653.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:22:23 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:23:04 -0800 Subject: Re: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991125172223.GVMY22653.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "R.L. Shep" That is what I was told when I was in France, but I also do not have a reference for it. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com ---------- >From: "Susannah Eanes" >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help >Date: Thu, Nov 25, 1999, 6:35 AM > > >-Poster: "Susannah Eanes" > >I have read that one reason Napoleon liked the bee was because it was a >symbol of industry... many beings working together for a common goal. Don't >remember exactly where, tho'; sorry. > >Susannah > > >>From: Karen R Bergquist >>Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >>To: h-costume@indra.com >>CC: h-costume@indra.com >>Subject: Re: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help >>Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:23:09 -0600 >> >> >>-Poster: Karen R Bergquist >> >>As I understand it, the Napoleonic bees actually came from Merovingian >>graves which had been opened during the Revolution. The Merovingians were >>the dynasty which ruled France before Charles Martel (their chamberlain) >>seized power form them in a coup. The bees were used as decorations in >>the graves and Napoleon took them as a symbol of the power which ruled >>France before the ruling houses of Valois/Bourbon usurped their >>authority. Of course this begs the question of why the merovingians used >>bees as a decorative motif......but there you are. >> >>Karen >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 12:33:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12009 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:33:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20314; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:52:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28087 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:51:30 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from apollo.directcon.net (IDENT:root@apollo.directcon.net [206.170.184.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28081 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:51:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p23.directcon.net [206.170.184.122]) by apollo.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA20847 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:49:33 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:49:33 -0800 Message-Id: <199911251849.KAA20847@apollo.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: early 19thC men's pantyhose? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Margo Anderson Could they be dancer's tights? Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 13:12:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12049 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:12:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23264; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:30:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02476 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:30:41 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from apollo.directcon.net (IDENT:root@apollo.directcon.net [206.170.184.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02469 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:30:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p23.directcon.net [206.170.184.122]) by apollo.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24318 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:28:50 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:28:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199911251928.LAA24318@apollo.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: (no subject) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Margo Anderson At 06:40 PM 11/24/1999 EST, you wrote: > >-Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com > >Felicity is the American Girls doll of 1776 and she does have a stomacher on >her blue gown that she wears to the ball at the Governor's Palace. We based >the design on a little girls gown in the Colonial Williamsburg collection as >all her clothes we based on extant garments. She has really helped show girls >and moms what people wore in the pre-Revolutionary period. > Sally, if I may ask, what was your involvement with the American Girl Dolls? I love this product line, I think they're designing expressly for the little girl I was. Dolls with historical costumes AND books that go with them! Craft kits! Furniture! A "stage a play" package!" I'm sure that they're going to have a strong influence on the next generation of costumers. the only thing I don't like about them, (aside from the price) is that "American" means they don't do an Elizabethan one. I went to town making a gown for my cousin's doll and had a blast. I'm considering, when I do my children's Elizabethan pattern, including a pattern for a dress sized for an AG doll. Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 13:28:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12071 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:28:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24604; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:46:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04127 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:46:09 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from Herb-Lore.com (mail.herb-lore.com [209.141.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04119 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:46:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from Flohrschutz [207.204.223.200] by Herb-Lore.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id AFF6197028C; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:45:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01bf3785$b2afb1a0$c8dfcccf@Flohrschutz> From: "Heather" To: References: <199911251849.KAA20847@apollo.directcon.net> Subject: H-COST: Silk Ribbon Embroidery Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:43:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Heather" Does anyone happen to know off-hand when silk ribbon embroidery became popular? A web search only brings me to sites trying to sell supplies. Thanks, Heather _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 13:31:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12079 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:31:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25032; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:49:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04518 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:49:40 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from Herb-Lore.com (mail.herb-lore.com [209.141.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04511 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:49:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from Flohrschutz [207.204.223.200] by Herb-Lore.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A0CE12E402A2; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:49:18 -0700 Message-ID: <001201bf3786$3371bae0$c8dfcccf@Flohrschutz> From: "Heather" To: References: <199911251928.LAA24318@apollo.directcon.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: (no subject) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:46:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Heather" Margo, Do the doll pattern. Little girls love dolls that are dressed like them. >I'm considering, when I do my > children's Elizabethan pattern, including a pattern for a dress sized for an > AG doll. Heather _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 14:17:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12122 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:17:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27848; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:35:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09346 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:35:02 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09340 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:35:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.230.136] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11r5bW-0006yt-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:34:58 -0800 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:30:28 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: bees In-Reply-To: <383D2001.59F6934E@alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 06:39 AM 11/25/1999 -0500, you wrote: > > Come to think of it, there's an old English country tradition that says you > have to go tell your bees when major events happen in the family, births and > deaths and weddings and so on. > > This is old southern Appalachian tradition, too. > > Melissa And Irish--I was copycataloging a biography/memoir earlier this year that mentioned the custom...Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 14:20:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12128 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:20:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28203; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:38:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09745 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:38:46 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09740 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:38:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com ([207.172.3.235]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 11r5eg-0003k2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:38:14 -0500 Received: from pavilion (216-164-48-126.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com [216.164.48.126]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA03701 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:45:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005801bf3784$e28a7a00$0200a8c0@pavilion> From: "Megan McHugh" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: (no subject) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:37:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Megan McHugh" >-Poster: Margo Anderson said: I'm considering, when I do my >children's Elizabethan pattern, including a pattern for a dress sized for an >AG doll. That would be a wonderful idea!!! I was up last night making Josephina outfits for my stepdaughter's dolls, and would love to make them Elizabethans!! Count me as one of the ones eagerly awaiting your pattern. Will it be ready soon?? Please??? -Megan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 14:38:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12140 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:38:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01068; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:56:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11566 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:56:39 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay2.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay2.core.theplanet.net [194.152.65.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11560 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:56:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from modem113.barney.pol.co.uk ([195.92.7.113] helo=herimats) by mailrelay2.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11r5wI-0007NG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:56:26 +0000 Message-ID: <007901bf3787$9f3e5c00$c6065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <199911251849.KAA20847@apollo.directcon.net> <000d01bf3785$b2afb1a0$c8dfcccf@Flohrschutz> Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk Ribbon Embroidery Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:57:00 -0000 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "LDMundy" > -Poster: "Heather" > > Does anyone happen to know off-hand when silk ribbon embroidery became > popular? A web search only brings me to sites trying to sell supplies. > Try a (uk) search on J.J.Cash Coventry Silk Industry Somewhere there should be something on the growing of mulberry trees in the 1600 and the start of the silk industry in factories circa 1720/50 There is a huge machine in the mueseul there that weaves pictures into three hundred ribbons at a time fro c 1860 ( they cant move it) °° Dave L.D.Mundy Editor.Heritage Matters _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 14:50:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12153 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:50:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01919; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:09:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12768 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:09:03 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12757 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01507; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-58-43.lightspeed.net [209.165.58.43]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15291; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:08:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001401bf378b$808a6ac0$a071fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: , Subject: H-COST: mail problems...yet again! Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:24:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF3748.7120A100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF3748.7120A100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all my buddies on h-cost and SCA-garb, During a 15 hour period, between 9:44 on 11/23 and 1:34 on 11/24 I = didn't get any mail, list or personal. I have had all the problems I can = take with the 'mypad.com' account that I can take and I am not = recommending Friendly Email to anyone. 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 To all my buddies on h-cost and = SCA-garb,
    During a 15 hour period, between = 9:44 on=20 11/23 and 1:34 on 11/24 I didn't get any mail, list or personal. I = have had=20 all the problems I can take with the 'mypad.com' account that I can take = and I=20 am not recommending Friendly Email to anyone.  I have sent = requests to the=20 list manager to switch my subscription to Mandrake@Celtic.com =
   If anyone sent me private email, please = resent it=20 to this new address.  I am sorry about the inconvience.  =
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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF3748.7120A100-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 16:56:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12319 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 16:56:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09608; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 16:15:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24179 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 16:13:40 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta3-svc.virgin.net (mta3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.144]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24165 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 16:13:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.56.35]) by mta3-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19991125230810.MVVO13237.mta3-svc@LOCALNAME> for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 23:08:10 +0000 Message-ID: <383E3661.2DB9@virgin.net> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 23:27:29 -0800 From: Dawn Organization: ages of elegance (http://www.ageofelegance.dabsol.co.uk) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN712-000 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk Ribbon Embroidery References: <199911251849.KAA20847@apollo.directcon.net> <000d01bf3785$b2afb1a0$c8dfcccf@Flohrschutz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Dawn Heather wrote: > > -Poster: "Heather" > > Does anyone happen to know off-hand when silk ribbon embroidery became > popular? A web search only brings me to sites trying to sell supplies. > > Thanks, > Heather > > Not sure how early it goes but it was a bery popular pastime in the 1st half of the 18thc Dawn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 17:15:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12341 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:15:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10997; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 16:34:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26096 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 16:34:15 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26086 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 16:34:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from mercury.physics.adelaide.edu.au (mercury [129.127.36.44]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id KAA01258 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:04:05 +1030 (CST) Received: from localhost by mercury.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.65v4.0/1.1.19.2/16Nov99-0332PM) id AA16762; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:04:04 +1030 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:04:04 +1030 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant To: costume list Subject: H-COST: 18th c Q & FO Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: The Purple Elephant I've been reading a book on 18thc clothing recently, and I note that informal gowns of printed linen were quite popular, especially later in the century. Anyway, so I have some nice plain green linen, and I was wondering if that would be acceptable for an informal gown. The book didn't say much about plain linen. Anyway, I recently finished something I've been working on for a little while, a 1660's gown, and I thought I'd boast about it because it's probably the best thing I've made to date. *grin* The gown is made of purple and blue shot silk taffeta. The bodice and sleeves are lined with rose coloured linen, and the bodice is interlined with light cotton drill (to which the bone casings are sewn). I used solid plastic boning (not rigilene), because I was too impatient to wait for mail-order metal boning. The plastic does a pretty good job, my only gripe is that it twists on the curvy seams. The skirt is made from 4 widths of fabric, cartridge pleated on and worn over a pink silk petticoat. The sleeves are elbow-length, split down the front seam, and caught together with silver and red jewelled buttons. I adapted the pattern for the bodice and boning from a jacket and gown of this era described in "The Cut of Women's Clothes 1620-1930". All up it took me about two months to make and is entirely handsewn. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 18:28:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12419 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:28:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16121; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:46:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02695 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:46:32 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02683 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:46:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from vaxxine.com (ppp79.analg-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.212.177]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20351 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:45:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38312143.C1051DE3@vaxxine.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 03:17:55 -0600 From: Sheridan Alder X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk Ribbon Embroidery References: <199911251849.KAA20847@apollo.directcon.net> <000d01bf3785$b2afb1a0$c8dfcccf@Flohrschutz> <383E3661.2DB9@virgin.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0CB055C9DC3EC5D14A13D414" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Sheridan Alder --------------0CB055C9DC3EC5D14A13D414 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was in Britain recently and at some point in our "museum marathon" saw a Regency gown with ribbon embroidery combined with silk floss embroidery. I almost missed that it was silk ribbon, it was so fine. A light, delicate floral pattern with a neo-classical mood, if I recall. I think the flowers within the design were ribbon, and the rest floss. Unfortunately, I'm damned if I can remember where! (Remind one's self - always keep notes!) It may have been during our charge through the Costume Museum in Bath - our wretched tour only gave us two hours in Bath! (Told my husband we should just get a rail pass, but did he listen?) It was almost depressing how information saturated you become! I couldn't squeeze in any more. I remember dreading that, during the recent silk ribbon frenzy a few years back, that people would bust out all over with really bad silk ribbon embroidery stuff on their kit, the way folks usually embrace anything that's vaguely "oldy-timey" or perceived as such, whether it was actually done during the period or not (1970's wooden salad bowls come to mind). But at the same time I thought, who knows! maybe it was used, and you are being surly. Wrong again - never say never! Surly but chastened Sheridan --------------0CB055C9DC3EC5D14A13D414 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was in Britain recently and at some point in our "museum marathon" saw a Regency gown
with ribbon embroidery combined with silk floss embroidery. I almost missed that it was silk
ribbon, it was so fine. A light, delicate floral pattern with a neo-classical mood, if I recall.
I think the flowers within the design were ribbon, and the rest floss.

Unfortunately, I'm damned if I can remember where! (Remind one's self - always keep notes!)
It may have been during our charge through the Costume Museum in Bath - our wretched tour
only gave us two hours in Bath! (Told my husband we should just get a rail pass, but did he
listen?) It was almost depressing how information saturated you become! I couldn't squeeze in
any more.

I remember dreading that, during the recent silk ribbon frenzy a few years back, that people
would bust out all over with really bad silk ribbon embroidery stuff on their kit, the way folks
usually embrace anything that's vaguely "oldy-timey" or perceived as such, whether it was actually
done during the period or not (1970's wooden salad bowls come to mind). But at the same time I
thought, who knows! maybe it was used, and you are being surly.

Wrong again - never say never!

Surly but chastened Sheridan --------------0CB055C9DC3EC5D14A13D414-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 19:32:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12476 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:32:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20218; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:50:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08099 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:49:29 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08092 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:49:27 -0700 (MST) From: SAQUEEN@aol.com Received: from SAQUEEN@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.6b759f74 (4069) for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:48:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.6b759f74.256f4103@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:48:51 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: (no subject) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com In a message dated 11/25/99 2:31:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, margo@directcon.net writes: << Sally, if I may ask, what was your involvement with the American Girl Dolls? >> Hi, Margo, I headed the team that designed Felicity's first six outfits. We started in 1989 on contract to Pleasant Company. In the beginning of the American Girls Series, Pleasant Rowland, CEO of Pleasant Company, contracted for the clothing designs for Kristen (Joan Severa at State Historical Society of Wisconsin), Molly (a costume historian in the Boston area), and Samantha (do not know who designed these). The series was so popular that they added a costume historian position within the company and the remaining clothes were designed in-house. Their designers continued to work closely with extant garments in museum collections. We (Costume Design Center at Colonial Williamsburg) did the clothing for the tea party that brought 10,000 girls and their families to CW for the introduction of Felicity. It was a great experience and Pleasant Rowland was great to work with. Anyone in the Madison, Wisconsin area should consider working for her at Pleasant Company. They are working on a new doll but don't know the date. And yes, I believe they have had a major impact on the next generation for the serious study of costume and culture. Happy Thanksgiving everyone, Sally Calendar 2000: Historic Fashions Turning the Centuries http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Nov 25 20:45:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12642 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:45:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24660; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:03:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14470 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:03:36 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web602.mail.yahoo.com (web602.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.166]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA14465 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:03:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19991126030330.21205.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.108.228.249] by web602.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:03:30 PST Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:03:30 -0800 (PST) From: Valerie Robertson Subject: H-COST: So what is a Palatine Countess? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Valerie Robertson Thank you, Dietmar; I appreciate the correction. Now, if you could explain to this idiot American just how a Palatine Countess differs from a regular Countess, she would be eternally in your debt. -Valerie --- Dietmar wrote: > > -Poster: Dietmar > > Greetings, > > Please forgive me for picking a tiny nit, but I seem > to be operating in that > mode this week. :-) > > Valerie wrote: > > > The corset mentioned is part of the burial > clothing of a German Princess > > (Pfalzgrafin) whose name escapes me at the moment. > > A 'Pfalzgräfin' is a palatine countess. Princess is > either Fürstin or Prinzessin. > > Sorry, but I've been arguing over German names and > titles on another list. > > Regards, > > Dietmar > > > "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; > over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 26 07:31:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22334 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 07:31:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA27641; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 06:49:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06438 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 06:48:38 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA06430 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 06:48:36 -0700 (MST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.8f23cc72 (4354) for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 08:48:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.8f23cc72.256fe992@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 08:48:02 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: So what is a Palatine Countess? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com The Count Palatine of the Rhine was one of the seven electors of the Holy Roman Emperor, so I assume the Palatine duchess would be his consort. I can't find out much about the position, though. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From Cheryl@sessionware.com Fri Nov 26 11:18:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from dynamic.sessionware.com (dynamic.sessionware.com [208.147.50.22]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32352 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:18:14 -0500 Received: by dynamic.sessionware.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:41:57 -0800 Message-ID: <91988BAE2384D311B1BA00104B6971F304159A@harmonious.sessionware.com> From: Hand-Fan Webmaster To: Cc: "'dumodebur@aol.com'" Subject: FAN-TASTIC Fan Auction on Nov 28! 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Cheryl _______________________________ Cheryl Melnick, Webmistress International Fan Collector's Guild webmistress@hand-fan.org * 408-559-7799 x 222 http://www.hand-fan.org From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 26 13:15:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32566 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:15:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28625; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:33:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19398 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:32:03 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (root@proxy2.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19391; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from best.com (lavolta.vip.best.com [206.86.95.234]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id LAA05566; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:31:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <383EE0E7.8A5A238A@best.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:35:03 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vintage Clothing Mailing List , Historic Costume Mailing List , GBACG Mailing List Subject: H-COST: Web site update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lavolta Press We just updated our web site for vintage and historic dance: http://www.best.com/~lavolta/dance/index.htm Feel free to take a look! Allan Terry _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 26 15:13:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32738 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:13:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12065; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:31:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03847 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:31:35 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03825 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:31:33 -0700 (MST) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.a8ccba9b (4355) for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 16:31:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.a8ccba9b.25705621@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 16:31:13 EST Subject: H-COST: Re: bees To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com If you're working with high school students, you probably don't want "where the bee sucks, there suck I" (or whatever the exact quote is)! Even if it is pretty. The only other quote I can think of is "How doth the little busy bee improve each shining hour . . ." which is the original made fun of in Lewis Carrol's "How doth the little crocodile . . .". Believe it or not I recently saw the whole thing on a mass-market tapestry. It's pretty dreadful, and dreadfully moral. But there you are. I believe that bees have been symbols of hard work and industry for numerous centuries. They certainly are common in heraldry. Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 26 19:38:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00579 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:38:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05569; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:56:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03285 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:56:20 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1.bellatlantic.net (mail1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.32.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03275 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:56:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from thibault.org (client-151-197-111-163.bellatlantic.net [151.197.111.163]) by mail1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA18188 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 20:59:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <383F397A.514AD7DC@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 20:54:06 -0500 From: Cynthia Virtue Organization: Virtue Ventures http://www.virtue.to X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... References: <19991124.222905.-3985001.1.seamstrix@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cynthia Virtue Karen R Bergquist wrote about a method in Queen E's wardrobe. When I visited the Norwegian history museum this summer, there was a display on clothing. The "traditional" (150 year-old) wool clothing for women had pleats that fell the whole length of the skirt; the display said that it was sewn up into pleats with (basically) basting stitches, then wetted down and it stayed in the pleats and with the stitching for a year before it was ready to have the stitches cut and be worn. Could the Cranach skirts be similar? cv -- The International Space Station has been in orbit for a year now. It will first be inhabited in March of 2000, and completed in 2004. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 26 19:38:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00583 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:38:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05568; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:56:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03298 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:56:27 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1.bellatlantic.net (mail1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.32.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03293 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:56:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from thibault.org (client-151-197-111-163.bellatlantic.net [151.197.111.163]) by mail1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA18271 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 20:59:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <383F36E1.DB8F1106@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 20:43:00 -0500 From: Cynthia Virtue Organization: Virtue Ventures http://www.virtue.to X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Mis-matched sleeves References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cynthia Virtue Both men and women in the Devonshire Hunting Tapestries (V&A) have sleeves in which one is embellished and the other just (Just!) the fancy brocade. This would be England, appx. 1420. -- Out of the wizard was beat the stuffing. -- Bored of the Rings _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 26 20:33:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00699 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 20:33:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08777; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:52:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08869 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:52:13 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08860 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:52:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.167.66.176] (sdts11-176.znet.net [207.167.66.176]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with ESMTP id SAA14014 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:52:09 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-From: savaskan@sd.znet.com X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <383F397A.514AD7DC@thibault.org> References: <19991124.222905.-3985001.1.seamstrix@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:51:42 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Julie Adams >-Poster: Cynthia Virtue > >Karen R Bergquist wrote about a method in Queen E's wardrobe. > >When I visited the Norwegian history museum this summer, there was a >display on clothing. The "traditional" (150 year-old) wool clothing for >women had pleats that fell the whole length of the skirt; the display >said that it was sewn up into pleats with (basically) basting stitches, >then wetted down and it stayed in the pleats and with the stitching for >a year before it was ready to have the stitches cut and be worn. Could >the Cranach skirts be similar? > >cv I think they are similar in that part of the process is tacking them together, steaming, weighting and hanging them. In the 16th c Germany and Switzerland there were also a lot of skirts knife-pleated all the way down. I think that basting them up tightly would probably need to be done for that. In both cases, some hanging, wetting, and weighting would make a difference. I normally hang my organ-pipe pleats for several weeks pinned to the bodice or doublet before heming them and attaching them. I weight the bottoms and steam and spritz them every day. This solves two issues. The first is that the skirts are so heavy they tend to stretch the doublet tops down up to about 1" or more. This helps get the stretch out first. The other is that the skirt is cut on the round, so there is a lot of bias. This helps make sure the bias is stretched as it will before fixing the hem. I pin stay tapes all around to keep the pleats tight during this process. I often sew on the guards and hang it some more to set the pleats in the guards better before attaching. If the guards are not set properly the pleats poof out in very large arcs, which are not at all what you see in Cranach gowns. I use less stay tapes on the final skirt. The lowest stay tape is about at the crotch. Many of the folk costumes in the Bayerishes Museum had very similar construction techniques and styles as seen in 16th c costumes. For the most part, different fabrics were used and the 18th c ones had a very stiff stomacher matching the fashions of the time. But many of the same components were the same as the 16th c German gowns. So I wouldn't be surprised if the Norwegian traditional costumes also used older techniques. Did you see the Olympics in Sweden with the parade of folk costumes? Many could have come right out of 16th c German and Flemish woodcuts. Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Nov 26 23:28:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00838 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 23:28:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20529; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 22:46:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26264 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 22:46:11 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pop1.cyberhighway.net (pop1.cyberhighway.net [209.161.0.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA26237 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 22:46:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199911270546.WAA26237@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 8476 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1999 22:46:04 -0700 Received: from ts25-22.boi.cyberhighway.net (HELO kathy) (209.161.11.37) by pop1.cyberhighway.net with SMTP; 26 Nov 1999 22:46:04 -0700 From: "K & J Hopkins" To: Subject: H-COST: Those pesky pleats Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 22:55:38 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "K & J Hopkins" I was just on the Costume College 2000 Web site, and it looks as though there may be a class in Organ Pipe Pleating. That will be the first thing I sign up for. Kathlene _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 27 10:45:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04895 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:45:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21397; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:03:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24911 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:03:26 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24906 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:03:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19997 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 09:03:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-164.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.164]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01546 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 09:02:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002401bf38fb$8575cd60$1601fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: References: <199911270546.WAA26237@net.indra.com> Subject: H-COST: Costume college Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 09:18:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" > I was just on the Costume College 2000 Web site, > > Kathlene Kathlene, Would you mind posting the address for this site? I have been wanting to go and, two years in a row, managed to miss it. This is the one in California, right? Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 27 13:12:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05036 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:12:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03399; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:30:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13510 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:29:47 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from scn4.scn.org (scn4.scn.org [209.63.95.149]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13500 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:29:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from scn.org (bd927@scn [209.63.95.146]) by scn4.scn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10298 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:33:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (bd927@localhost) by scn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA21887 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:34:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:34:01 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Courney X-Sender: bd927@scn To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Susan Courney Hi, I saw Sleepy Hollow last night. Has anyone else seen it? Did anyone recognize the dress the stepmother has on in the last scene? It's from a pre-raphealite picture. I can't remember which one, but I know that the pre-raphealite got the idea of that dress from a portrait of (Isabella? Beatrice?) d'este. (the portrait is in Hampton court.) AS this was taking place in 1799, I figure the dress is either 2 centuries late or one century early. Nice dress tho. I'll have to see if I can find which picture it was to see if the subject relates to the scene at all. All the other clothing I saw seemed at least remotely period. The only dress I wasn't sure about was the blue dress the boy's mother had on. It had odd folded back bits just above the neckline. I like the movie, but then I liked the other tim burton movies as well. Besides, it was a grab "drama" I could go to with my boyfriend ;-) Susan Courney _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 27 16:23:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05264 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:23:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16859; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:42:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04341 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:41:47 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.130]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04335 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:41:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from Porb (vandial23.lightspeed.bc.ca [204.244.233.23]) by ns1.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA25102 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 14:25:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991127144338.007c9100@antir.com> X-Sender: i.wonder@antir.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 14:43:38 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kris Subject: RE: H-COST: Symbolism of bees: please help In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Kris At 03:32 PM 24/11/99 -0800, you wrote: > >-Poster: Heidi Fox > >I seem to recall that bees were associated with Napolean and that Empire, >showing up in the fabric of furniture and clothing. > oh... this reminds me. THe other day I was watching a home decorating show, and a lady had upholstered a napoleonic sofa with a dark fuschia fabric that had bees woven in it. She said that it was a silk brocade. Would this have been something you would have seen in that time era? Not necessarily a sofa, but I was imagining a gown or waistcoat made out of that material.. it was so gorgeous.. Kris hoping to find something similar in the fabric hunt after Christmas :] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 27 22:07:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05505 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 22:07:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16103; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:25:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10533 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:25:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10527 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:25:13 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.3332a1a6 (4188) for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 23:24:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.3332a1a6.25720883@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 23:24:35 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 11/27/1999 2:31:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, bd927@scn.org writes: << I saw Sleepy Hollow last night. Has anyone else seen it? >> I wondered when someone was gonna bring this up. No, it's not accurate at all really. The women are mostly 1770s& 1780s, the men 1740 to 1790s.... but it's a comic book. The sets are all sound stagy. I love it thought, the deliberate stylization. It could've even gone further. [there's a great scene where the fog sorta reaches out and snuffs several torches at once. I wanted more of that!] The costumes are all stylized in a deliberate way. The sets are grey....the fog is grey......the trees are black....the leaves are grey...grey...black.... grey. But the silks and wools of the clothes glow subtly out of the greyness. Anything bold or striking is a sign post: this character is supernatural and important. [the girls in the forest...the mother] It's a beautiful piece of theatre. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Nov 27 23:53:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05596 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 23:53:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22338; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 23:11:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20919 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 23:10:44 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20913 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 23:10:42 -0700 (MST) From: AliaClaire@aol.com Received: from AliaClaire@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.543b35f6 (4217) for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 01:10:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.543b35f6.2572213f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 01:10:07 EST Subject: H-COST: The Messenger To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AliaClaire@aol.com So- has any one else seen this movie? What'd they think of the costumes? It's a little before my time period, so I knew nothing. I thought Faye Dunaway's headdresses were AWESOME, even if they weren't accurate. The movie itself? Very disturbing. I'm not sure what I think...I'll have to ask the voices in my head ;-) -Alison Stacy ACStacy@cc.owu.edu AliaClaire@aol.com Ohio Wesleyan University _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 01:38:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22614 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 01:38:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28333; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 00:57:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29396 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 00:56:54 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29390 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 00:56:52 -0700 (MST) From: martyr@gti.net Received: from gti.net (morr0656.gti.net [208.216.122.56]) by gti.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA07272 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 02:56:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3840E02A.15060D17@gti.net> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 02:56:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume References: <0.3332a1a6.25720883@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: martyr@gti.net I just saw Sleepy Hollow tonight & was impressed-with the movie as a whole more than the costuming specifically. Great overall art direction. I agree that while the period costume styling is a tad off, the colorful fabric of the women's gowns really pops out amongst the greys & dark colors. Plus, it is supposed to be 1799 in a fairly remote Dutch farming community in upstate NY so maybe they actually wouldn't be dressed at the height of fashion of the day. Some of the gowns seemed to have a full-backed bustle effect, specifically Christina Ricci character's riding habit. And I wondered why none of the women rode aside. Maybe they just didn't have the proper saddles? All of the Ricci costumes were pretty neat especially the habit & the wonderful cloak she wore over it. At least the lace trims weren't overtly machine made. The judge's cuffs looked like Beds lace while the others looked tamboured. Sorry, lace is my thing. See this movie-it's real neat. My twopence. ~Lisa > Anything bold or striking is a sign post: this character is supernatural and > important. [the girls in the forest...the mother] It's a beautiful piece of > theatre. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 07:56:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26570 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 07:56:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11393; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 07:14:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA23857 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 07:12:15 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ionet.net (root@mail.ionet.net [206.41.128.16]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23852 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 07:12:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from buck (ip49.phoenix.az.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.190.49]) by ionet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA19402 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:12:09 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001501bf39aa$99cdfb20$31be0b26@buck> From: "Dean Quackenbush" To: References: <0.3332a1a6.25720883@aol.com> Subject: H-COST: Slow out there or is something wrong? Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 07:12:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Dean Quackenbush" Am I missing something, or is it real slow out there-you guys are usually much more prolific! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 08:33:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA26591 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:33:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13413; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 07:52:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27356 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 07:52:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27344 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 07:52:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from modem56.fred.pol.co.uk ([195.92.7.184] helo=herimats) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11s5gJ-0003Da-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:52:04 +0000 Message-ID: <006d01bf39b0$377d7760$b8075cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <0.3332a1a6.25720883@aol.com> <001501bf39aa$99cdfb20$31be0b26@buck> Subject: Re: H-COST: Slow out there or is something wrong? Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:43:21 -0000 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "LDMundy" ----- Original Message ----- > -Poster: "Dean Quackenbush" > > Am I missing something, or is it real slow out there-you guys are usually > much more prolific! Some kind of holiday going on Transpondiawise , I seem to recollect--- might have something to do with Turkey but I am not sure if it is the country or the bird. This may account for things? I am not over informed about holidays in the colonies though . I was led to believe that the Oztraleans had Christmas in the Summer , however a friend visitted last June and saw no signs whatsoever. The quietness from the UK is due to the national baited breath of despair as it seems that our Queen Mother is likely to reach 100 long before any of our batsmen. Dave> > L.D.Mundy Editor.Heritage Matters _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 09:34:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26620 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 09:34:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17805; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:52:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03038 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:52:46 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA03031 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:52:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by shared1-mail.whowhere.com; Sun Nov 28 07:52:08 1999 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 07:52:08 -0800 From: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fayrebanke" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume X-Sender-Ip: 199.44.54.101 Organization: email.women.com (http://www.emailwomen.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fayrebanke" >-Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com >No, it's not accurate at all really. The women are mostly 1770s& 1780s, the >men 1740 to 1790s.... the website said it takes place in 1799 and that the costumes are several years behind the current for that time because they are country people. http://www3.sleepyhollowmovie.com/film/production/prod_notes.html that should have some information about it. --- Ever Yours, Ginnaphure ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ICQ# 41340093 AIM: Ginnaphure Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 10:55:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26743 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:55:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26386; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:13:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11838 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:13:27 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pop1.cyberhighway.net (pop1.cyberhighway.net [209.161.0.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11832 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:13:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199911281713.KAA11832@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 30362 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1999 10:13:24 -0700 Received: from ts26-34.boi.cyberhighway.net (HELO kathy) (209.161.8.148) by pop1.cyberhighway.net with SMTP; 28 Nov 1999 10:13:23 -0700 From: "K & J Hopkins" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:22:45 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "K & J Hopkins" > At least the lace trims weren't overtly machine made. > The judge's cuffs looked like Beds lace while the others looked tamboured. > Sorry, lace is my thing. Wasn't the first lace machine invented about 1760? Kathlene _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 10:55:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26742 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:55:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26428; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:13:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11881 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:13:50 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.mts.net (smtp1.mts.net [205.200.16.74]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11876 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:13:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from mb.sympatico.ca (b-39-32-res1.mts.net [209.202.39.32]) by smtp1.mts.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28607 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:13:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <38416344.E1B70FE9@mb.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:15:49 -0600 From: Dianne Kristoff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-SYMPA (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: H-COST: 18th Century weight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Dianne Kristoff I know that I have this information ....somewhere, but as things go, you never can find it when you want it. I'm looking for the approximate weight of the wardrobe of the 18th century woman when assembled. The times I'm looking at are the beginning of the century, mid century and the end of the century. Hope someone has the answer on the list....foolish me, of course someone does. Smiles, Dianne _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 10:55:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26744 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:55:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26471; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11920 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:13:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11913 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:13:58 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.91bdd082 (4593) for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:13:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.91bdd082.2572bcb3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:13:23 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 11/28/1999 10:53:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, ginnaphure@email.women.com writes: << the website said it takes place in 1799 and that the costumes are several years behind the current for that time because they are country people. >> Why is it assumed nearly always that wealthy people, because they live in the country, dress 10 to 20 years behind the times? Rubbish! 2 to 3 years behind maybe....but if they are rich and NYC is within traveling distance, why wouldn't the young women be in fashion? The inaccuracies of the film are for style. That's fine! Why try to historically rationalize everything? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 10:55:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26752 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:55:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26385; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:13:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11829 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:13:25 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pop1.cyberhighway.net (pop1.cyberhighway.net [209.161.0.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11823 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:13:24 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199911281713.KAA11823@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 30357 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1999 10:13:23 -0700 Received: from ts26-34.boi.cyberhighway.net (HELO kathy) (209.161.8.148) by pop1.cyberhighway.net with SMTP; 28 Nov 1999 10:13:23 -0700 From: "K & J Hopkins" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Costume college Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:14:26 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "K & J Hopkins" Michelle > Would you mind posting the address for this site? www.costumecollege.org > I have been wanting to > go and, two years in a row, managed to miss it. This is the one in > California, right? Yes, Van Nuys, CA! This will be my first time too. And I am really enthused about it. Kathlene _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 11:17:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26770 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:17:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28783; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14457 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:35:50 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pop1.cyberhighway.net (pop1.cyberhighway.net [209.161.0.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA14452 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:35:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199911281735.KAA14452@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 2107 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1999 10:35:46 -0700 Received: from ts26-26.boi.cyberhighway.net (HELO kathy) (209.161.8.140) by pop1.cyberhighway.net with SMTP; 28 Nov 1999 10:35:46 -0700 From: "K & J Hopkins" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:45:08 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "K & J Hopkins" OK, I guess that I will open this can of worms. I have not seen Sleepy Hollow yet, I love Tim Burton films and it on my list. One of the reasons I like his films, is that he so skillful at putting up on the screen what is in his head. Even if I didn't know it was a Burton film, it would not take more than 5 or 10 minutes for me to figure it out. It would be even quicker if Danny Elfman was doing the score. Their visual and auditory styles were meant for each other. Sleepy Hollow is a story, a fable, fiction. It could take place anywhere, anytime, that the storyteller wants to set it. As far as I know, this movie is not depicting itself as 'historical'. Shouldn't we base our critiques it on its merits as a Tim Burton, horror film? So, were the costumes scary? Or did they add to the scariness of the film? Were they up to the typical Burton vision? Sometimes I think we need to widen our focus when it comes to movies. Kathlene _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 11:35:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26820 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:35:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00291; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:54:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16436 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:54:09 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16429 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:54:07 -0700 (MST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.cdb6ecd (4210) for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:53:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.cdb6ecd.2572c61a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:53:30 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cheryldee@aol.com In a message dated 11/28/99 10:36:45 AM Mountain Standard Time, khopkins@cyberhighway.net writes: << So, were the costumes scary? Or did they add to the scariness of the film? Were they up to the typical Burton vision? Sometimes I think we need to widen our focus when it comes to movies. >> Bingo! The look created by this movie is a visual feast. Burton is the master of Gothic Art. The movie should be enjoyed for the mood and look that is created. I think if you start nit-picking, you're going to lose the experience. My favorite part has nothing to do with costumes. It's the scene where the head rolls between Ichabod's legs and then is speared like an olive by the horseman as he rides by. My 2 cents worth. Cheryl Odom (loved the costumes and didn't really care or pay attention to historical accuracy) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 14:30:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27126 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:30:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13203; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 13:49:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05635 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 13:48:16 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05629 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 13:48:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.249.161.149]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991128204812.GNSH16362.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:48:12 +0100 Message-ID: <38418BCC.732AE320@post12.tele.dk> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:08:44 +0100 From: leif drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [da] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Palatine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: leif drews Sorry about this, if the subject is discussed to an end, but i just wondered if the lady who married Louis XIV' brother Liselotte Kurfürstin von Pfaltz was also called Palatine? I read her memoires some years ago, very interresting stuf! Bjarne in Copenhagen, who just came back from the cinema watching Tea with Mussolini, a gorgeous movie! They showed some clips from a new movie coming soon about Joan of Arc, it looked very nice, has anybody seen it over in America?, it is not showed here until January, there must be much stuff here for the medieval interrested people! -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 14:30:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27128 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:30:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13198; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 13:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05648 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 13:48:27 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05643 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 13:48:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.249.161.149]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991128204824.GNTJ16362.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:48:24 +0100 Message-ID: <38419402.32A76CE@post12.tele.dk> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:43:46 +0100 From: leif drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [da] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: 18th. century weight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: leif drews About weight of a dress, there is a dress in the Danish Nationalmuseum, a costume from 1695-1709, they are not sure about the year, it is a mantua with a long train made in brocade of silk and thick goldthreads. It consists of a big skirt with 4 widths of fabric and a mantua and stomacher the weight of the entire dress is: 17 kg. Being laced in a tight corset, and a small bustle this dress must have been a killing machine. Bjarne Drews in Copenhagen. -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 15:08:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27171 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:08:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16317; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:26:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09553 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:26:37 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09544 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:26:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991128212634.ETOF22653.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 13:26:34 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 13:30:57 -0800 Subject: Re: H-COST: Palatine From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Message-Id: <19991128212634.ETOF22653.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id OAA09546 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "R.L. Shep" I have no idea what the costumes are like but from all the reviews I have read it is really bad. And it has a lot of good actors in it too. Somehow it seems to have missed the boat. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com ---------- >From: leif drews >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: H-COST: Palatine >Date: Sun, Nov 28, 1999, 12:08 PM > > >-Poster: leif drews > >Sorry about this, if the subject is discussed to an end, but i just >wondered if the lady who married Louis XIV' brother Liselotte Kurfürstin >von Pfaltz was also called Palatine? >I read her memoires some years ago, very interresting stuf! >Bjarne in Copenhagen, who just came back from the cinema watching Tea >with Mussolini, a gorgeous movie! >They showed some clips from a new movie coming soon about Joan of Arc, >it looked very nice, has anybody seen it over in America?, it is not >showed here until January, there must be much stuff here for the >medieval interrested people! > > >-- > > >Leif Drews >Åboulevard 5, 3 th >1635 København V > >Bjarne Drews >Åboulevard 5,3.th >1635 København V > >tlf. 35 37 13 70 > >Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > >Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 15:53:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27246 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:53:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20820; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:11:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15126 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:11:41 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15117 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:11:38 -0700 (MST) From: martyr@gti.net Received: from gti.net (morr0664.gti.net [208.216.122.64]) by gti.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17489 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:11:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3841A87B.1288EB69@gti.net> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:11:08 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume References: <199911281713.KAA11832@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: martyr@gti.net Well sort of. In the late 1700s-early 1800 several machines were invented that created net, which could then be embroidered or tamboured by hand. Actual lace machines were invented in the 19th c. ~Lisa > Wasn't the first lace machine invented about 1760? > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 16:02:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27257 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:02:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21874; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:21:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16256 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:21:22 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16249 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:21:20 -0700 (MST) From: martyr@gti.net Received: from gti.net (morr0664.gti.net [208.216.122.64]) by gti.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18817 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:21:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3841AAC2.7E46FE79@gti.net> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:20:51 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume References: <0.cdb6ecd.2572c61a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: martyr@gti.net > I loved the movie too not really for the historic accuracy. It has so much more > to make it interesting than just the costumes. This isn't a Merchant Ivory > production. > My favorite scene is when the Hessian stumbles accross the 2 little witch girls > in the snowy woods and goes "shhh." Christopher Walken was soo great as the > evil Hessian with the filed down teeth! > Gotta see this movie again. > > ~Lisa > The movie should be enjoyed for the mood and look that is created. I think if > you start nit-picking, you're going to lose the experience. My favorite part > has nothing to do with costumes. It's the scene where the head rolls between > Ichabod's legs and then is speared like an olive by the horseman as he rides > by. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 16:23:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27273 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:23:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23405; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:42:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18624 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:42:01 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18619 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:41:59 -0700 (MST) From: DDunker@aol.com Received: from DDunker@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.2ff48744 (3971) for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:41:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.2ff48744.2573099a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:41:30 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: DDunker@aol.com Hopefully, not too many more of the good parts will be told on our list before the rest of us get to see it!!! Darla Who is housebound with the flu and begging y'all not to give away more good parts of the movie!!! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 18:48:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27485 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:48:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06732; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:06:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05412 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:06:09 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05404 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:06:07 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.1d2e3578 (3862) for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:05:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.1d2e3578.25732b5e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:05:34 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 11/28/1999 12:36:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, khopkins@cyberhighway.net writes: << Sleepy Hollow is a story, a fable, fiction. >> Yes, by Washington Irving. It's a bit of American Literature. Like Rip Van Winkle, you can't just put it anywhere, anytime, but, also like Rip Van Winkle, there's no need for absolute reality. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 19:00:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27499 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:00:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08031; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:18:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07042 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:18:49 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp2.gateway.net (relay7.gateway.net [208.230.117.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07036 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:18:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer (1Cust218.tnt3.princess-anne.va.da.uu.net [63.23.230.218]) by smtp2.gateway.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19439 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:18:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <011d01bf3a08$7b25fde0$71e7173f@oemcomputer> From: "Joel Thompson" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Palatine Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:24:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id SAA07038 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Joel Thompson" -Poster: leif drews They showed some clips from a new movie coming soon about Joan of Arc, it looked very nice, has anybody seen it over in America?, it is not showed here until January, there must be much stuff here for the medieval interrested people! I went to see this movie, "The Messenger" last weekend. My friends and I enjoyed it very much, and thought that the costumes and armor were quite good. The ladies headwear was fabulous. I especially liked the leather jupon (?) with the heraldic motifs stitched in, and also the coronation robes, of the Dauphin. The total "look" of the movie was the best I've seen in years. Since we all know the story, and how it ends, it allows for plenty of time to absorb the visual details. Of course, there are plenty of places to criticize and pick apart the details, there always is in every movie. Hollywood movies are fantasy, and this one has plenty of "artistic license". The scenes with Dustin Hoffman as God were, to me, very well done. The other scenes where she saw a younger God, I could have done without. I recommend this movie. Please don't dismiss it based on the professional reviews, which have not been good. After all, they seldom are for historical movies. Just my twopence. Alianora -- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 19:00:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27503 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:00:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08030; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:18:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06964 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:18:31 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06956 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:18:29 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.483f9e2f (3862) for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:17:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.483f9e2f.25732e42@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:17:54 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 11/28/1999 5:24:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, martyr@gti.net writes: << My favorite scene is when the Hessian stumbles accross the 2 little witch girls > in the snowy woods and goes "shhh." >> Me too! The cold pink silk dresses with gold lace in the middle of the wet grey forest is just so WEIRD that you know something's up. Like the bold voided velvets, it a costume as signal. Great costume effects! Colleen Atwood's work can also be seen in Mars Attacks Ed Wood Wyatt Earp Edward Scissorhands [Oscar nomination] Little Women _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 19:26:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27523 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:26:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11138; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:44:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09874 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:44:09 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09863 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:44:07 -0700 (MST) From: CONNECT@aol.com Received: from CONNECT@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.25885b8c (4419) for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:43:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.25885b8c.25733445@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:43:33 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: CONNECT@aol.com In a message dated 11/28/99 8:08:03 PM, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: << Yes, by Washington Irving. It's a bit of American Literature. Like Rip Van Winkle, you can't just put it anywhere, anytime, but, also like Rip Van Winkle, there's no need for absolute reality. >> What I really enjoyed was the mixing of the logic and deduction of Sherlock Holmes with the fantasy and magic of witchcraft and demons. Yours, Pattie Rayl _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Nov 28 23:09:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27780 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:09:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04986; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:27:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06648 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:27:12 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from colquitt.sccsi.com (darren.bolding.org [207.90.208.114] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06642 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:27:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.207.56.22] (56-22.netwurx.net [209.207.56.22]) by colquitt.sccsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25997 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:27:01 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: melanie@pop.faucet.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:28:56 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: H-COST: where to buy silk socks? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Melanie Schuessler I am wondering if anyone has a source for knee-high or slightly higher silk knit socks. I am looking for something to mimic the silk stockings, about knee-high and gartered below the knee, that women wore in the mid to late 16th century (for reference see the ones Eleanora of Toledo was buried in--Janet Arnold Patterns or QEWU). They don't need to be fancy. Plain ones will do. Inspired by the recent thread on silk stockings, I checked all the usual suspects (WinterSilks, Amazon Drygoods, Jas. Townsend, etc., even Voice of the Mountain) but came up with only cotton, wool, and cotton blends. Even opaque knit silk tights could be cut to size, but these seem to be equally unobtainable. Any thoughts? Thanks Melanie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 06:07:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA31560 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:07:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA25313; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:26:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA07375 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:26:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f44.hotmail.com [209.185.130.32]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA07369 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:26:06 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 41664 invoked by uid 0); 29 Nov 1999 12:25:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19991129122531.41663.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.156.3.69 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:25:31 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.156.3.69] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: where to buy silk socks? Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:25:31 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" I have purchased 2 pair of opaque smooth-knit 95% silk/5% nylon tights (dk. brown & black) from Eddie Bauer, and rib-knit patterned 100% silk hosiery (the kind you need garters with) in a natural oyster color, made in Switzerland, from Garnet Hill. You just need to scrutinize the catalog offerings each year... I know WinterSilks used to carry knee-high smooth knit silk "sock-liners" but I guess if you've already looked there they don't any more. Susannah >From: Melanie Schuessler >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: H-COST: where to buy silk socks? >Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:28:56 -0500 > > >-Poster: Melanie Schuessler > >I am wondering if anyone has a source for knee-high or slightly higher silk >knit socks. I am looking for something to mimic the silk stockings, about >knee-high and gartered below the knee, that women wore in the mid to late >16th century (for reference see the ones Eleanora of Toledo was buried >in--Janet Arnold Patterns or QEWU). They don't need to be fancy. Plain >ones will do. > >Inspired by the recent thread on silk stockings, I checked all the usual >suspects (WinterSilks, Amazon Drygoods, Jas. Townsend, etc., even Voice of >the Mountain) but came up with only cotton, wool, and cotton blends. Even >opaque knit silk tights could be cut to size, but these seem to be equally >unobtainable. > >Any thoughts? >Thanks >Melanie > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 06:27:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA31605 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:27:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA26380; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:46:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08910 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:46:47 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA08905 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:46:44 -0700 (MST) From: ben@hrofi.demon.co.uk Received: from hrofi.demon.co.uk ([158.152.7.203]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11sQCX-0006WG-0K for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:46:43 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Palatine Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:45:41 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38418BCC.732AE320@post12.tele.dk> In-Reply-To: <38418BCC.732AE320@post12.tele.dk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id FAA08906 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: ben@hrofi.demon.co.uk On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:08:44 +0100, you wrote: > >-Poster: leif drews > >Sorry about this, if the subject is discussed to an end, but i just >wondered if the lady who married Louis XIV' brother Liselotte Kurfürstin >von Pfaltz was also called Palatine? >I read her memoires some years ago, very interresting stuf! Yes, she was THE Palatine Princess. Her full name/title was Elisabeth Charlotte von der Pfalz, Duchesse d'Orleans, called La Palatine. She was wife of Philippe, Duc d'Orleans, brother to Louis XIV. Lieselotte's simple title was just 'Madame' Her memoirs contain alot of useful info for people interested in baroque costume. Ben Levick Military Officer - L'Age D'Or http://www.kipar.org/kirkes.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 06:32:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA31611 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:32:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA26698; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:51:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09284 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:51:11 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA09276 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:51:08 -0700 (MST) From: ben@hrofi.demon.co.uk Received: from hrofi.demon.co.uk ([158.152.7.203]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11sQGl-00071u-0K; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:51:05 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Plumes and Furs Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:50:14 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id FAA09277 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: ben@hrofi.demon.co.uk Hi folks, Some questions on late 17th century costume for you: Can anyone tell me what is the best way to store real feather plumes to avoid damage/moths/etc? Does anyone know what furs were fasionable in the late 17th century, especially for fur muffs? Does anyone have any good info on how to make a 1690's frontage? And Finally: The L'Age d'Or website has been updated recently - lots of info on baroque costumes and military uniforms. http://www.kipar.org Ben Levick Military Officer - L'Age D'Or http://www.kipar.org/kirkes.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 06:53:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA31627 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:53:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00930; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:12:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10968 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:12:05 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fargpop1.farg.uswest.net (fargpop1.farg.uswest.net [207.109.224.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA10959 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:12:03 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 18726 invoked by alias); 29 Nov 1999 13:12:02 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-h-costume@indra.com@fixme Received: (qmail 18720 invoked by uid 0); 29 Nov 1999 13:12:02 -0000 Received: from bdsl104.farg.uswest.net (HELO john) (209.181.216.104) by fargpop1.farg.uswest.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 1999 13:12:02 -0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991129071003.0095da80@pop.farg.uswest.net> X-Sender: kimbaird@pop.farg.uswest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:11:52 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kim Baird Subject: Re: H-COST: where to buy silk socks? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Kim Baird Melanie-- Do you know anyone who works at Colonial Williamsburg? I know their artisans reproduce items in their collections. Maybe they have made silk stockings, or know of a source. Kim At 11:28 PM 11/28/1999 -0500, you wrote: >-Poster: Melanie Schuessler > >I am wondering if anyone has a source for knee-high or slightly higher silk >knit socks. I am looking for something to mimic the silk stockings, about >knee-high and gartered below the knee, that women wore in the mid to late >16th century (for reference see the ones Eleanora of Toledo was buried >in--Janet Arnold Patterns or QEWU). They don't need to be fancy. Plain >ones will do. > >Inspired by the recent thread on silk stockings, I checked all the usual >suspects (WinterSilks, Amazon Drygoods, Jas. Townsend, etc., even Voice of >the Mountain) but came up with only cotton, wool, and cotton blends. Even >opaque knit silk tights could be cut to size, but these seem to be equally >unobtainable. > >Any thoughts? >Thanks >Melanie > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 07:01:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31638 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:01:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03050; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:20:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11850 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:20:24 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1.bellatlantic.net (mail1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.32.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11841 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:20:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from thibault.org (client-151-197-111-154.bellatlantic.net [151.197.111.154]) by mail1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA00740 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:23:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38427C64.84324499@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:19:01 -0500 From: Cynthia Virtue Organization: Virtue Ventures http://www.virtue.to X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: where to buy silk socks? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cynthia Virtue What about buying an opaque knit silk T-shirt from wintersilks and cutting it to fit? (ie, using it as yard goods to make knee-high hose feet?) On a similar note, I bought a set of the long underwear bottoms (no feet) from LL Bean, in blue. Since I usually wear low boots with my costumes, these look like hose (more or less) and are much more comfy than tights -- and solve the female thigh chafing problem as well. -- The International Space Station has been in orbit for a year now. It will first be inhabited in March of 2000, and completed in 2004. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 07:57:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31674 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:57:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09482; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:15:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18060 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:15:00 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pop1.cyberhighway.net (pop1.cyberhighway.net [209.161.0.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA18049 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:14:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199911291414.HAA18049@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 17548 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1999 07:14:57 -0700 Received: from ts26-47.boi.cyberhighway.net (HELO kathy) (209.161.8.161) by pop1.cyberhighway.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 1999 07:14:57 -0700 From: "K & J Hopkins" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:24:13 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "K & J Hopkins" I don' agree. A bit of English literature, Romeo and Juliet, King Lear, Midsummer Nights Dream, Hamlet, just to name a few, have all been 'set' at different time periods. As well as Rip Van Winkle, if memory serves. Of course, just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Kathlene > -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > > In a message dated 11/28/1999 12:36:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, > khopkins@cyberhighway.net writes: > > << Sleepy Hollow is a story, a fable, fiction. >> > > Yes, by Washington Irving. It's a bit of American Literature. Like Rip Van > Winkle, you can't just put it anywhere, anytime, but, also like Rip Van > Winkle, there's no need for absolute reality. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 10:02:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31872 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:02:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24626; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:13:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11936 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:12:40 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11923 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:12:37 -0700 (MST) From: JPMcTeer@aol.com Received: from JPMcTeer@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.b3301050 (4251) for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:11:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.b3301050.2573ffcf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:11:59 EST Subject: H-COST: Paisley Shawls on ebay To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: JPMcTeer@aol.com I don't remember exactly what this thread was, but there are now two shawls on ebay. The first is very large http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=206638029 the second is an oblong http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=206659433 I have no idea whether they are really early 19th Century or not: The only shawls I have were given to me as family pieces not to be sold. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 10:30:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31887 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:30:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01364; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:45:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21279 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:44:40 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21265 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:44:38 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.8f3531a1 (4182) for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:43:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.8f3531a1.2574074d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:43:57 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 11/29/1999 9:17:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, khopkins@cyberhighway.net writes: << Midsummer Nights Dream, >> Yes the recent one was moved to Italy ....for no apparent reason. Also all the plays you mention were period pieces when written at a time when it really didn't matter about accuracy. That's why we have clocks in Julius Caesar and they can be set in just about any time period. Irving would seem strange if not Colonial or just after The Revolution. To me anyway... _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 11:11:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31955 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:11:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08252; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:28:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02309 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:27:20 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA02299 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:27:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.19.1.106] ([172.19.1.106]) by mail.cho.org; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:26:52 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911251928.LAA24318@apollo.directcon.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:27:25 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: H-COST: American Girl Dolls Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Lynn Downward >-Poster: Margo Anderson > >At 06:40 PM 11/24/1999 EST, you wrote: >> >>-Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com >> >>Felicity is the American Girls doll of 1776 and she does have a stomacher on >>her blue gown that she wears to the ball at the Governor's Palace. We based >>the design on a little girls gown in the Colonial Williamsburg collection as >>all her clothes we based on extant garments. She has really helped show >>girls >>and moms what people wore in the pre-Revolutionary period. >> > >Sally, if I may ask, what was your involvement with the American Girl Dolls? > > I love this product line, I think they're designing expressly for the >little girl I was. Dolls with historical costumes AND books that go with >them! Craft kits! Furniture! A "stage a play" package!" > > I'm sure that they're going to have a strong influence on the next >generation of costumers. > >the only thing I don't like about them, (aside from the price) is that >"American" means they don't do an Elizabethan one. I went to town making a >gown for my cousin's doll and had a blast. I'm considering, when I do my >children's Elizabethan pattern, including a pattern for a dress sized for an >AG doll. > >Margo > That would be WONDERFUL!! I would love to have an Elizabethan pattern for my daughters' dolls. I've got the McCall's (?) medieval-like pattern that goes with the child's costume, but something between medieval and American Colonial. LynnD _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 11:32:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31992 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:32:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11759; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:49:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07738 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:49:03 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from colquitt.sccsi.com (darren.bolding.org [207.90.208.114] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07721 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.207.56.22] (56-205.netwurx.net [209.207.56.205]) by colquitt.sccsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27951 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:48:41 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: melanie@pop.faucet.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991129071003.0095da80@pop.farg.uswest.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:50:45 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: H-COST: where to buy silk socks? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Melanie Schuessler >-Poster: Kim Baird > >Melanie-- >Do you know anyone who works at Colonial Williamsburg? > >I know their artisans reproduce items in their collections. Maybe they have >made silk stockings, or know of a source. That's a good thought. I don't know anyone, but I bet Penny Ladnier does. I'll check with her. Thanks! Melanie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 11:43:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32001 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:43:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13674; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:00:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11128 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:00:20 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11115 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:00:18 -0700 (MST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.9ff0d01c (3993) for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:59:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.9ff0d01c.25741910@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:59:44 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: where to buy silk socks? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com I suggest you check WinterSilks again. They have both the silk sock liners and the pointelle knee highs. (Maybe you were looking in an old catalogue? I know these items were out of stock last summer) Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 12:36:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32087 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:36:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21376; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:49:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23692 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:47:32 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23674 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:47:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.249.181.46] (pool181-46.patriot.net [209.249.181.46]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA20916 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:47:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199911291847.NAA20916@jefferson.patriot.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Plumes and Furs Date: Mon, 29 Nov 99 13:49:18 -0500 x-sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: >Does anyone have any good info on how to make a 1690's frontage? England's Costume Society has a great reprint from the era called _The Exact Dress of the Head_. In that booklet, you'll find lots of shapes for a fontage. Some have the top ruffle sitting flat instead of standing up straight the way we're used to seeing them! I made a very simple one with a gathered cap back (gathered in a band from ear to ear on top, and a drawstring across the bottom edge of the back), and the ruffle stitched to the band in front, and LOTS of starch! -Carol Kocian _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 12:37:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32095 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:37:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22293; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:54:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25681 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:54:25 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25669 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:54:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from mediaone.net (h00105af53be2.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.162.250]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA17172 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:54:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3842CBEE.EA9C9FF9@mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:54:38 -0500 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: where to buy silk socks? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Janice Dallas My most recent Wintersilks catalog shows three types of silk knee-high socks/sockliners plus two types of Stirrup long johns. All are unisex sized so they fit even my long legs. I fit a size medium on my size (US) 9and 1/2 to 10 feet. Sometimes I buy a large if I'm going to toss them in the dryer on delicate. There's a little shrinkage, but not much. Phone is 1-800-648-7455 and I've been happy with their stuff. Trouser socks #605 @ $10.95 in cream, taupe, navy or black Spunsilk socks #005 @ $9.95 in cream, taupe, brown, silver gray, navy or black Spunsilk sock liners #019 @ 9.95 in cream There's also silk/wool knee-highs available -- Janice Dallas Boston,MA area, USA JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 12:43:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32110 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:43:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23357; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:00:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27497 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:00:51 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ntserver1.mainsaver.com ([206.17.202.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27483 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:00:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by HP-LH3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:52:19 -0800 Message-ID: <5B38B8D7EED8D211997F00A0C9E57FB91DB619@HP-LH3> From: MAGGIE SECARA To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:52:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MAGGIE SECARA Does anyone happen to know who made the Horseman's sword? > MaggiRos > > ---------- > From: Ginnaphure Jayne Fayrebanke[SMTP:ginnaphure@email.women.com] > Reply To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 7:52 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume > > > -Poster: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fayrebanke" > > > >-Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > > >No, it's not accurate at all really. The women are mostly 1770s& 1780s, > the > >men 1740 to 1790s.... > > the website said it takes place in 1799 and that the costumes are several > years behind the current for that time because they are country people. > > http://www3.sleepyhollowmovie.com/film/production/prod_notes.html > > that should have some information about it. > > > --- > Ever Yours, > Ginnaphure > > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > ICQ# 41340093 > AIM: Ginnaphure > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 13:01:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32158 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:01:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26937; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:14:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00926 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:13:32 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ntserver1.mainsaver.com ([206.17.202.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00917 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:13:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by HP-LH3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:04:59 -0800 Message-ID: <5B38B8D7EED8D211997F00A0C9E57FB91DB61A@HP-LH3> From: MAGGIE SECARA To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:04:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MAGGIE SECARA I think the trick isn't in trapezoids, but that the skirt is cut in a circle, or more than a circle. We don't see a lot of seams in Cranach in any case (part of the early 16th century Artists' Conspiracy to confuse us all 400 years later) so you can't rely on their absence to mean much. The cut of the bases will give you a "pleat" for every seam, and yes, it's clear the skirts are not stay-taped (nor is the skirt on every bases-skirted coat--thinking of a rider in the foreground of "Conversion of St Paul"). Cutting in a circle lets the skirt fall in such a way as to have just as many "pleats" at the top as at the bottom, which is what we are looking at. Cartridge pleating is a good overall effect, and I think a reasonable substitute in terms of conserving fabric, but not the same. Cheers! > MaggiRos > > Mary Countess of Southampton (RPF ret.) Clara Munter, the Sojer's Friend (Corona, CA) Mairghread-Ros FitzGarrett of Desmond (O.L. Caid) and sometimes even Maggie Secara > ~All my men wear a sword, > or they wear nothing at all. > > > ---------- > From: Wanda Pease[SMTP:wandapease@bigfoot.com] > Reply To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 2:29 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... > > > -Poster: "Wanda Pease" > > Please post to the list. If you simply use Organ pipe pleats-again as the > Subject, anyone who is uninterested can just delete. > > I'd be especially interested in getting a full length skirt to fall like > the > Cranach ones. I've a big book of their paintings, several of which show > the > ladies sitting down, and the pleats are certainly _not_ stay taped past > crotch level nor do they appear to be made up of trapezoids (no seam > lines) > as you can see the skirt smoothed out over their legs. I've used > cartridge > pleats to get the line of _some_ of the dresses very successfully, but I'm > sure there are other ways of doing them, and regional differences. > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 13:24:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32220 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:24:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02522; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:41:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07599 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:41:05 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA07584 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mamabear from [207.13.31.71] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.421) with smtp for sender: id ; Mon, 29 Nov 99 13:41:02 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <014201bf3aa1$89203c00$0200a8c0@mamabear.stormypetrel.com> From: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:40:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" I must disagree with you on the stay-taped part as I have a picture of an extant base that has two rows of stay-taping in it. It is similiar to the redrawing of a base in Norris's book on Tudor clothing. Carol Ross > >The cut of the bases will give you a "pleat" for every seam, and yes, it's >clear the skirts are not stay-taped (nor is the skirt on every bases-skirted >coat--thinking of a rider in the foreground of "Conversion of St Paul"). >Cutting in a circle lets the skirt fall in such a way as to have just as >many "pleats" at the top as at the bottom, which is what we are looking at. >Cartridge pleating is a good overall effect, and I think a reasonable >substitute in terms of conserving fabric, but not the same. > > Cheers! > >> MaggiRos >> >> >Mary Countess of Southampton (RPF ret.) >Clara Munter, the Sojer's Friend (Corona, CA) >Mairghread-Ros FitzGarrett of Desmond (O.L. Caid) >and sometimes even > Maggie Secara > >> ~All my men wear a sword, >> or they wear nothing at all. >> >> >> ---------- >> From: Wanda Pease[SMTP:wandapease@bigfoot.com] >> Reply To: h-costume@indra.com >> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 2:29 PM >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Subject: RE: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... >> >> >> -Poster: "Wanda Pease" >> >> Please post to the list. If you simply use Organ pipe pleats-again as the >> Subject, anyone who is uninterested can just delete. >> >> I'd be especially interested in getting a full length skirt to fall like >> the >> Cranach ones. I've a big book of their paintings, several of which show >> the >> ladies sitting down, and the pleats are certainly _not_ stay taped past >> crotch level nor do they appear to be made up of trapezoids (no seam >> lines) >> as you can see the skirt smoothed out over their legs. I've used >> cartridge >> pleats to get the line of _some_ of the dresses very successfully, but I'm >> sure there are other ways of doing them, and regional differences. >> > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 13:30:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32235 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:30:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03417; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:48:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09335 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:48:22 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ntserver1.mainsaver.com ([206.17.202.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09323 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:48:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by HP-LH3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:39:50 -0800 Message-ID: <5B38B8D7EED8D211997F00A0C9E57FB91DB61C@HP-LH3> From: MAGGIE SECARA To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:39:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MAGGIE SECARA I didn't say stay taping wasn't used, did I? I said from some paitings we can see that not every skirt is stay-taped. Some are, some are not. How is that a disagreement? MaggiRos > ---------- > From: Genevieve de Courtanvaux[SMTP:gdc@airmail.net] > Reply To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 11:40 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... > > > -Poster: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" > > I must disagree with you on the stay-taped part as I have a picture of an > extant base that has two rows of stay-taping in it. It is similiar to the > redrawing of a base in Norris's book on Tudor clothing. > Carol Ross > > > >The cut of the bases will give you a "pleat" for every seam, and yes, > it's > >clear the skirts are not stay-taped (nor is the skirt on every > bases-skirted > >coat--thinking of a rider in the foreground of "Conversion of St Paul"). > >Cutting in a circle lets the skirt fall in such a way as to have just as > >many "pleats" at the top as at the bottom, which is what we are looking > at. > >Cartridge pleating is a good overall effect, and I think a reasonable > >substitute in terms of conserving fabric, but not the same. > > > > Cheers! > > > >> MaggiRos > >> > >> > >Mary Countess of Southampton (RPF ret.) > >Clara Munter, the Sojer's Friend (Corona, CA) > >Mairghread-Ros FitzGarrett of Desmond (O.L. Caid) > >and sometimes even > > Maggie Secara > > > >> ~All my men wear a sword, > >> or they wear nothing at all. > >> > >> > >> ---------- > >> From: Wanda Pease[SMTP:wandapease@bigfoot.com] > >> Reply To: h-costume@indra.com > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 2:29 PM > >> To: h-costume@indra.com > >> Subject: RE: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... > >> > >> > >> -Poster: "Wanda Pease" > >> > >> Please post to the list. If you simply use Organ pipe pleats-again as > the > >> Subject, anyone who is uninterested can just delete. > >> > >> I'd be especially interested in getting a full length skirt to fall > like > >> the > >> Cranach ones. I've a big book of their paintings, several of which > show > >> the > >> ladies sitting down, and the pleats are certainly _not_ stay taped past > >> crotch level nor do they appear to be made up of trapezoids (no seam > >> lines) > >> as you can see the skirt smoothed out over their legs. I've used > >> cartridge > >> pleats to get the line of _some_ of the dresses very successfully, but > I'm > >> sure there are other ways of doing them, and regional differences. > >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 13:31:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32240 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:31:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03241; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:47:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09112 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:47:29 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09082 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:47:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:47:08 -0800 Message-ID: <1F176F2C2977D311B3300090270E637837B34E@scl-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Cc: schmitt100@aol.com Subject: H-COST: re: colonial times people - fashion books for younger readers Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:47:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cynthia Barnes >In school we are studying colonial times people. We've been talking about some of the clothes they wore. I was wondering what a stomacher was used for. My teacher did not know. She thought it might be used for making you look thinner but Mom said that is what corsets were for. Mom said you knew a lot about old clothes so I thought I'd ask you. Eyewitness Books has a volume entitled "Costume". It discusses many different kinds of costumes & fashions, including the 17th & 18th centuries. My copy was a gift from a (then) 13 yr old friend. There are many lovely color photos of real and repro garments, accessories. As with the other books in the Eyewitness series, it is a well crafted book. Best of luck with your research, --cin Cynthia Barnes 408.570.1023 Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com Phoenix Technologies 411 E. Plumeria Dr. San Jose CA 95134 "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 13:31:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32244 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:31:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03492; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:49:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09528 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:49:12 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ntserver1.mainsaver.com ([206.17.202.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09520 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:49:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by HP-LH3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:40:40 -0800 Message-ID: <5B38B8D7EED8D211997F00A0C9E57FB91DB61D@HP-LH3> From: MAGGIE SECARA To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:40:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MAGGIE SECARA I mean to say, stay-tapes on bases do not prove stay-tapes on ladies' skirts. > ---------- > From: Genevieve de Courtanvaux[SMTP:gdc@airmail.net] > Reply To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 11:40 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... > > > -Poster: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" > > I must disagree with you on the stay-taped part as I have a picture of an > extant base that has two rows of stay-taping in it. It is similiar to the > redrawing of a base in Norris's book on Tudor clothing. > Carol Ross > > > >The cut of the bases will give you a "pleat" for every seam, and yes, > it's > >clear the skirts are not stay-taped (nor is the skirt on every > bases-skirted > >coat--thinking of a rider in the foreground of "Conversion of St Paul"). > >Cutting in a circle lets the skirt fall in such a way as to have just as > >many "pleats" at the top as at the bottom, which is what we are looking > at. > >Cartridge pleating is a good overall effect, and I think a reasonable > >substitute in terms of conserving fabric, but not the same. > > > > Cheers! > > > >> MaggiRos > >> > >> > >Mary Countess of Southampton (RPF ret.) > >Clara Munter, the Sojer's Friend (Corona, CA) > >Mairghread-Ros FitzGarrett of Desmond (O.L. Caid) > >and sometimes even > > Maggie Secara > > > >> ~All my men wear a sword, > >> or they wear nothing at all. > >> > >> > >> ---------- > >> From: Wanda Pease[SMTP:wandapease@bigfoot.com] > >> Reply To: h-costume@indra.com > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 2:29 PM > >> To: h-costume@indra.com > >> Subject: RE: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... > >> > >> > >> -Poster: "Wanda Pease" > >> > >> Please post to the list. If you simply use Organ pipe pleats-again as > the > >> Subject, anyone who is uninterested can just delete. > >> > >> I'd be especially interested in getting a full length skirt to fall > like > >> the > >> Cranach ones. I've a big book of their paintings, several of which > show > >> the > >> ladies sitting down, and the pleats are certainly _not_ stay taped past > >> crotch level nor do they appear to be made up of trapezoids (no seam > >> lines) > >> as you can see the skirt smoothed out over their legs. I've used > >> cartridge > >> pleats to get the line of _some_ of the dresses very successfully, but > I'm > >> sure there are other ways of doing them, and regional differences. > >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 14:17:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32374 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:17:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09968; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:33:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20533 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:32:21 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20522 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:32:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id ESMA87JC; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:28:54 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:27:06 -0600 Subject: Re: H-COST: sleepy hollow costume Message-ID: <19991129.142723.-162381.0.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-7,11-14,16-54 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Karen R Bergquist Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Karen R Bergquist Well, get ready to be very happy when you see this movie. Maestro Elfman does the score. It is such a very, very Tim Burton movie that you can tell in the first few minutes. There's no one else working today who could do a movie that looks like that. Although he has taken quite a few liberties with the story, I was pleased that burton kept the essentially 'intellectual wimpiness' of Ichabod Crane. It is also very amusing to watch Johnny Depp being an 18th century prig. I enjoyed the movie a great deal, the costuming was all over the map, but as it is a fable/ghost story I was willing to accept the incosistencies. It was fun to see the post-Revolutionary War fashions even if they were about 10 years off from the stated date. Karen On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:45:08 -0700 "K & J Hopkins" writes: > > -Poster: "K & J Hopkins" > > OK, I guess that I will open this can of worms. > > I have not seen Sleepy Hollow yet, I love Tim Burton films and it > on my > list. One of the reasons I like his films, is that he so skillful > at > putting up on the screen what is in his head. Even if I didn't know > it was > a Burton film, it would not take more than 5 or 10 minutes for me to > figure > it out. It would be even quicker if Danny Elfman was doing the > score. > Their visual and auditory styles were meant for each other. > > Sleepy Hollow is a story, a fable, fiction. It could take place > anywhere, > anytime, that the storyteller wants to set it. As far as I know, > this > movie is not depicting itself as 'historical'. Shouldn't we base > our > critiques it on its merits as a Tim Burton, horror film? So, were > the > costumes scary? Or did they add to the scariness of the film? Were > they > up to the typical Burton vision? > > Sometimes I think we need to widen our focus when it comes to > movies. > > Kathlene > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 14:20:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32395 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:20:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10790; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:37:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21947 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:37:49 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from scn4.scn.org (scn4.scn.org [209.63.95.149]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21929 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:37:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from scn.org (root@scn [209.63.95.146]) by scn4.scn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25102 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:42:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (bd927@localhost) by scn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA12129 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:27:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:27:21 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Courney X-Sender: bd927@scn To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: sleepy hollow costumes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Susan Courney Hi, Yes, but I enjoyed that while watching the movie I was never distracted by real out of period costuming detail (except for the pre-raphealite dress). If I ended up watching for mistakes, because of the large amount of anachronisms, that would have destroyed the movie's sense of place. I didn't expect the same authenticity as dangerous liaisons; I didn't care if that detail was 1760 or 1790; I wanted the costumes to add to the movie, not distract from it. And they did. (Yes, Elfman did do the score.) Susan -- Cropped for brevity's sake---- >Cheryl Odom (loved the costumes and didn't really care or pay attention >to historical accuracy) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 14:22:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32400 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:22:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12366; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:39:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22265 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:39:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22232 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:38:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1F176F2C2977D311B3300090270E637837B379@scl-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: H-COST: Pourpoints - a fully lined, mock-up in damask Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:38:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cynthia Barnes I've done a mock-up in cotton and a 2nd fully lined, mock-up in damask. (Tho' the gentleman for whom I made it gleefully considers it wearable. Go figure.) We used a med. weight, black on black rayon/acetate damask. The garment length was described as "positively indecent" just covering the posterior; this made it very nice to walk, sit, dance, kneel or run in. We added in all of the conceits: grande assiette armhole, bombard cuff, standing collar, 32 buttons CF, 9 buttons/sleeve vents. Some comments: * Dont use the various pourpoint patterns as given in "Jeanne d'Arc ses costumes son armeur" (Harmand) w/o serious reflection. Dont. Dont. The Charles de Blois pattern in History of Costume (Tarrant) is a repro of one of Harmand's. There are many reasons why I think the patterns in "Jeanne d'Arc" were the result of a thought experiment and never made up. "Jeanne d'Arc" is, however, an interesting place to start when looking for patterning ideas and grainline selection. After that, close the book and do a sloper. * I found that I needed to use light, knitted interfacing (Fusi-knit) to support the garment in the upperbody as the gentleman would not permit any padding. The conversation re padding & quilting went something like: Him: " I have enough." Her: "Not your tummy. Your chest." Him: "You want to give me falsies?!" * The grande assiette sleeve is rather clever. It allows for an amazing amount of mobility especially considering the skin tight fit. Wow! Someone on this list mentioned this would happen. I confess I had doubts and now repent that e'er I did. So, before I commit the current design to silk brocade, some questions for tailors & people who've tried to research and/or make the thing: * Shaping the collar - I'm tempted towards using modern tailoring techniques (e.g. felting, pad stitching) to convince the close fitting collar to stay where I told it to. It tends to collapse. Is there a 14-15th c set of techniques? * Cutting and shaping w/o darts for a small pot belly. Where does the waistline go? Rather where does that seam belong? Right across the widest part (true waist) or somewhere else? I dropped it a smidge in the CF and raised it a smidge at the CB. (smidge approx = 2 cm). Mostly to prevent emphasising figure problems & not for historical reasons. I believe the problem would go away if the chest padding was done. * Bombard cuffs and sleeve vents - are they supposed to be lined in the fashion fabric? I did it but it was, again, personal preference (tailor's vanity) and not for historical reasons. Generally, this garment was one of the most interesting tailoring projects I've ever done. I love the novel cut and the vanity of long cuffs, the V collar inset at the CB and especially the grande assiette armhole. Comments? --cin Cynthia Barnes 408.570.1023 Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com Phoenix Technologies 411 E. Plumeria Dr. San Jose CA 95134 "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 14:43:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32422 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:43:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26704; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:01:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27707 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:00:46 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ntserver1.mainsaver.com ([206.17.202.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27697 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:00:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by HP-LH3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:52:15 -0800 Message-ID: <5B38B8D7EED8D211997F00A0C9E57FB91DB61F@HP-LH3> From: MAGGIE SECARA To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Pourpoints - a fully lined, mock-up in damask Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:52:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: MAGGIE SECARA No advice, only a request. There will be detail pictures, I hope! I'm dying to see what this armhole is, since I missed whatever earlier discussion there may have been. > MaggiRos > > > > Mary Countess of Southampton (RPF ret.) > Clara Munter, the Sojer's Friend (Corona, CA) > Mairghread-Ros FitzGarrett of Desmond (O.L. Caid) > and sometimes even > Maggie Secara > ~All my men wear a sword, > or they wear nothing at all. > > > ---------- > From: Cynthia Barnes[SMTP:Cynthia_Barnes@Phoenix.com] > Reply To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 12:38 PM > To: H-Costume (E-mail) > Subject: H-COST: Pourpoints - a fully lined, mock-up in damask > > > -Poster: Cynthia Barnes > > > I've done a mock-up in cotton and a 2nd fully lined, mock-up in damask. > (Tho' the gentleman for whom I made it gleefully considers it wearable. Go > figure.) We used a med. weight, black on black rayon/acetate damask. The > garment length was described as "positively indecent" just covering the > posterior; this made it very nice to walk, sit, dance, kneel or run in. We > added in all of the conceits: grande assiette armhole, bombard cuff, > standing collar, 32 buttons CF, 9 buttons/sleeve vents. > > Some comments: > * Dont use the various pourpoint patterns as given in "Jeanne d'Arc ses > costumes son armeur" (Harmand) w/o serious reflection. Dont. Dont. The > Charles de Blois pattern in History of Costume (Tarrant) is a repro of one > of Harmand's. There are many reasons why I think the patterns in "Jeanne > d'Arc" were the result of a thought experiment and never made up. "Jeanne > d'Arc" is, however, an interesting place to start when looking for > patterning ideas and grainline selection. After that, close the book and > do > a sloper. > > * I found that I needed to use light, knitted interfacing (Fusi-knit) to > support the garment in the upperbody as the gentleman would not permit any > padding. The conversation re padding & quilting went something like: > Him: " I have enough." > Her: "Not your tummy. Your chest." > Him: "You want to give me falsies?!" > > * The grande assiette sleeve is rather clever. It allows for an amazing > amount of mobility especially considering the skin tight fit. Wow! > Someone > on this list mentioned this would happen. I confess I had doubts and now > repent that e'er I did. > > > So, before I commit the current design to silk brocade, some questions for > > tailors & people who've tried to research and/or make the thing: > * Shaping the collar - I'm tempted towards using modern tailoring > techniques > (e.g. felting, pad stitching) to convince the close fitting collar to stay > where I told it to. It tends to collapse. Is there a 14-15th c set of > techniques? > > * Cutting and shaping w/o darts for a small pot belly. Where does the > waistline go? Rather where does that seam belong? Right across the widest > part (true waist) or somewhere else? I dropped it a smidge in the CF and > raised it a smidge at the CB. (smidge approx = 2 cm). Mostly to prevent > emphasising figure problems & not for historical reasons. I believe the > problem would go away if the chest padding was done. > > * Bombard cuffs and sleeve vents - are they supposed to be lined in the > fashion fabric? I did it but it was, again, personal preference (tailor's > vanity) and not for historical reasons. > > Generally, this garment was one of the most interesting tailoring projects > I've ever done. I love the novel cut and the vanity of long cuffs, the V > collar inset at the CB and especially the grande assiette armhole. > Comments? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > 408.570.1023 > Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com > Phoenix Technologies > 411 E. Plumeria Dr. > San Jose CA 95134 > "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give > the wrong answers." > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 16:02:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32617 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:02:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13764; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:19:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26118 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:16:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from wilma.widomaker.com (smtp@wilma.widomaker.com [204.17.220.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26101 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:16:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.96.185.112] by wilma.widomaker.com with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for h-costume@indra.com id 11sZ6H-0003Co-00; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:16:50 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19991129221311.00991d04@widomaker.com> X-Sender: rcarnegie@widomaker.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:13:11 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: H-COST: where to buy silk socks? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Ron Carnegie At 11:50 AM 11/29/99 -0500, you wrote: > >-Poster: Melanie Schuessler > >>-Poster: Kim Baird >> >>Melanie-- >>Do you know anyone who works at Colonial Williamsburg? >> >>I know their artisans reproduce items in their collections. Maybe they have >>made silk stockings, or know of a source. > >That's a good thought. I don't know anyone, but I bet Penny Ladnier does. >I'll check with her. > >Thanks! >Melanie > > I am not aware of any silk stockings made at CW, we do not have stocking makers. The stockings that we wear at CW are the usual poly cotton ones that most sutlers sell. I am looking for silk myself. Cheers, Ron Carnegie rcarnegie@widomaker.com ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 17:29:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00363 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:29:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26338; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:42:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18192 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:42:27 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.19]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18172 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:42:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from sews080 by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: og3pool109-80.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.109.80]) id QQhrml22146; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:47:45 GMT Message-Id: From: "Jessica Wilbur" To: h-costume@indra.com, SCA-GARB@LIST.UVM.EDU Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:41:07 -0500 Subject: H-COST: More Henry VIII questions Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Jessica Wilbur" Hello, More silly Tudor questions! I swear, one of these days I'm going to finish this outfit and won't have to pester you all any more. Anyway, first question: In the Holbein and Eworth portraits, it looks like Great Harry is wearing a standard 16th c. flat cap. But I can't tell if it's sans brim, or if the brim is pinned back to the crown. I'm kind of leaning towards brimless, but it's hard to say. Am I aiming for a beret-type thing? How would the ostrich feather be attached, if that were the case? Any opinions? I'm planning to use a fairly heavy wool with stiff interfacing (shh! it's on the inside, nobody'll know!) The second question: I'm planning to make hose for the gentleman who will be wearing the Final Product. I'm torn between absolute authenticity and ease of making and wearing. I could either make them of wool or linen, cut on the bias (but as I've never done this before I'd be afraid that I couldn't get them close-fitting enough), or use a cotton knit or cotton lycra blend. I've also seen a wool knit that might work, but as Kevin is a warm-natured person anyway, I hate to stick him in something that is likely to make him sweat bullets anyway. The cotton/lycra I mentioned before might get me something that looks closest to the portrait (it's nice and matte and opaque), but as we know, it ain't period! Such a quandry! Opinions? I'm hoping to buy the fabric in the next couple of weeks, since G Street is having it's semi- annual 25% off sale. =) Thanks! --Jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 17:45:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00378 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:45:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28419; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:58:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22149 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:58:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22140; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:58:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.249.181.24] (pool181-24.patriot.net [209.249.181.24]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA29427; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:58:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199911292358.SAA29427@jefferson.patriot.net> Subject: H-COST: Announcing the Costume-Con 21 Bids! Date: Mon, 29 Nov 99 18:59:56 -0500 x-sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Forwarded per the request of Betsy R. Delaney: Hi, all! I'm sorry if you receive duplicates of this message. I'm trying to reach as many people as I can, and I know there are people on more than one of the lists included in this mailing. This is the official word on the bids for Costume-Con 21. Karen has received and verified four bids: Fond du Lac, Wisconsin (May 23 - 26, 2003) Las Vegas, Nevada (February 14 - 17, 2003) Salt Lake City (Odgen), Utah (March 28 - 31, 2003) and Chicago, Illinois (Dates TBA as soon as I have the info.) These are the only official bids received by the Service Mark Holders for Costume-Con 21. Any others will be considered write-in bids. The bidding deadline was Friday, November 26, 1999. As a reminder, Site Selection will take place at Costume-Con 18. To vote on Site Selection, you must be at least a Supporting Member of CC18. There is now a Site Selection fee of $10 US, which will provide you with a $10 credit towards a membership in the winning bid. All collected voting fees will go to the winning bid. If you have any questions, or would like to find out more information about the Site Selection process, visit Costume-ConNections at http://www.Costume-Con.org/. To find out more about Costume-Con 18, visit their web site at http://www.cc2000.org/. We're in the process of updating the Costume-Con ConStitution, to clarify and define some of the procedural changes involved in adding a voting fee. I will post the bid packages as soon as all of them are in my hands. These changes should be available on the Costume-ConNections site by the end of this week. Please let me know if you have any questions! Cheers, Betsy -- Betsy R. Delaney Web Mistress at large WebInvent.com, Inc. ************************************************************************ mailto:WebInvent@WebInvent.com or visit http://www.WebInvent.com/ mailto:Costume-Con@Costume-Con.org or visit http://www.Costume-Con.org/ mailto:betsy@hawkeswood.com or visit http://www.hawkeswood.com/ ************************************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 20:07:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00730 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:07:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16805; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:24:33 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19455 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:24:21 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19450 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:24:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from agnes (BayArea56k553.NetWiz.Net [208.164.208.153]) by netwiz.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18589 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:24:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38433513.2B62@netwiz.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:23:15 -0800 From: Susan Fatemi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Paisley Shawls on ebay References: <0.b3301050.2573ffcf@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Susan Fatemi JPMcTeer@aol.com wrote: > > I don't remember exactly what this thread was, but there are now two shawls > on ebay. The first is very large > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=206638029 > > the second is an oblong > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=206659433 > > I have no idea whether they are really early 19th Century or not: The only > shawls I have were given to me as family pieces not to be sold. thanks for the treat! They both look very "right". I have a mid-19th French paisley (authenticated at the V&A) very similar to the one pictured. And the Indian shawl is to die for. This seller has listed some interesting pieces (I just bid on the rug!) Susan F. -- Oh Noh! Kimonos! susanf@netwiz.net http://www.netwiz.net/~susanf _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 21:16:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00882 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:16:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25260; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:31:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29643 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:31:05 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29631 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:31:03 -0700 (MST) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.713bb255 (3888) for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:30:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.713bb255.25749ecd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:30:21 EST Subject: H-COST: Elizabethan American Girl pattern To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com Simplicity makes an Elizabethan pattern for American Girl-size dolls. I have it, but not with me. It comes with a weird quazi-Renaissance gown too, but I think the Elizabethan one looks good. There are two, actually, so you can make a princess and a servant. Or more likely, so you match whichever adult Simplicity Renaissance pattern you made! I plan to make one of these for my daughter for Christmas. Or at least, I planned on it earlier. Maybe a New Year's present??? Anyway, I hope Margo makes one too. (Hey, how about a whole line of historic "Pre-American Girl" gowns???). But this one is doable. Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 21:24:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00891 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:24:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26418; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:39:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01204 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:39:46 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01183 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:39:44 -0700 (MST) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.3b2cabda (3888) for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:39:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.3b2cabda.2574a0d2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:38:58 EST Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #814 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com Cynthia: Your pourpoint sounds fantastic! I'm afraid I can't answer any questions because I am not as advanced a sewer as you are. Maybe you can answer some of mine! 1) What do you mean by bombard cuffs? Can't picture it. 2) What did you do in the back at the neck? You mentioned a V cut, and if it's what I think you mean, I have never been able to get that to work/ 3) If you were to pad the front, how would you do it? Gail Finke PS: Broom, if you are still on this list, how do you get your collars to stand up? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 21:25:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00895 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:25:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26561; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:40:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01299 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:40:08 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01294 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:40:07 -0700 (MST) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.1b5329ea (3888) for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:39:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.1b5329ea.2574a0f1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:39:29 EST Subject: H-COST: Re: movies To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com I haven't seen either "Sleepy Hollow" or "The Messenger" yet, but why should that stop me from commenting?? :-) I don't think there's any problem in asking whether costuming from a movie is historically accurate. The person who originally asked about Sleepy Hollow just wanted to know, I think. If I see something I like that is out of the period I know about, I'm curious too! So it sounds as if this is based on historic styles, and then "over-the-topped" in the typical Tim Burton way. I'm not a fan of his, but I do appreciate his sense of style. Too bad his stuff is not as profound and meaningful as he thinks (and constantly tells you) it is. BTW, the movie is LOOSELY based on the Washington Irving story, which means (I take it) that the only thing that could be less like the story would be a movie called "Washington Irving's Sleepy Hollow" -- which you know would have no relation at all. And from what I hear, "The Messenger" stinks big-time. The director was French, but he seems to have taken the same view of history as the Indian director of "Elizabeth." The writer was English, so maybe England once again got a chance to ruin The Maid's reputation?? :-) Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 22:15:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00952 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:15:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03030; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:31:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09828 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:31:28 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09820 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:31:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from test (ip178.toronto7.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.73.178]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA06030 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:31:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991129232638.00960dc0@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:26:38 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: The Messenger In-Reply-To: <0.543b35f6.2572213f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, >So- has any one else seen this movie? What'd they think of the costumes? It's >a little before my time period, so I knew nothing. I thought Faye Dunaway's >headdresses were AWESOME, even if they weren't accurate. > >The movie itself? Very disturbing. I'm not sure what I think...I'll have to >ask the voices in my head ;-) Personally, I thought the costuming was atrocious! (I was very pround of myself for my restraint!) However, I really enjoyed the movie none the less. Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 23:12:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01003 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:12:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08725; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:30:15 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18769 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:30:06 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ogopogo.flash.net (ogopogo.flash.net [209.30.2.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18756 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (p84.amax22.dialup.hou1.flash.net [209.30.69.84]) by ogopogo.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13480 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:30:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <384360A8.4EC682F7@flash.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:29:12 -0600 From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Subject: H-COST: [Fwd: Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlocked by Janet Arnold nowavailable] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------41B73353783047F65CF030A5" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Charlene Charette This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------41B73353783047F65CF030A5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those seeking a copy of this book... --Charlene --------------41B73353783047F65CF030A5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (proxy2.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by chupacabras.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04019; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:35:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from theducks (theducks.vip.best.com [206.86.2.224]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id LAA02656; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:32:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991124152311.0095bd20@shell5.ba.best.com> X-Sender: theducks@shell5.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:34:31 -0800 To: QEWU@geenduck.com From: Steve or Jane Urbach Subject: Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlocked by Janet Arnold now available Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Hello; (this is a blind copy reply to all on our waiting list) Please include your name in the body of your reply so that we may match up requests. Thanks. WE have just been notified that : QUEEN ELIZABETHS WARDROBE UNLOCKED by Janet Arnold is now available; The price will be $190.00 +ship/handling 6.00 taxable in California and Arizona. If you are still interested in this book we would appreciate an immediate reply. We have 4 copies which will be available for shipment to arrive before Christmas. We can get more, but can not guarantee Christmas delivery unless you notify us immediately. ___________________________________________________________ S&H is $6.00 Flat Rate per order (any size) in the US 48 , Standard Ground. Ask about rates for faster shipment. S&H will be quoted for International orders based upon items ordered. Sub Total $ including our Normal S&H or if stated, International S&H US48: AMERICAN EXPRESS Card Users Add $1.25 for return receipt service required by AMEX (sorry, their rules). Alaska & Hawaii will be shipped US Mail (UPS) does not offer Ground Service) unless Air Service is Special requested. 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(AZ residents, Please tell us your county - we don't have a city to County chart, only the county rates) Sales Tax $______ when required Total (please add options and sales tax to subtotal) , _ , | \ Steve Urbach , | )erek , ____|_/ragonsclaw theducks@greenduck.com , / / / http://www.greenduck.com --------------41B73353783047F65CF030A5-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 23:20:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01049 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:20:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09415; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:38:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19649 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:36:05 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.va.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.va.home.com [24.2.32.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19643 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:36:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from C59303A ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.va.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991130053602.CMXM13243.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@C59303A> for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:36:02 -0800 Message-ID: <001801bf3b59$60efa730$ac350418@C59303A> From: "Ches" To: References: <384360A8.4EC682F7@flash.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: [Fwd: Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlocked by Janet Arnold nowavailable] Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:35:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Ches" For those who's email services DO NOT ALLOW ATTACHMENTS please place the text of the message in the email and repost. :) Many will love you. :) Sincerely, FHavas Dallas, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlene Charette" To: "H-Costume List" Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 11:29 PM Subject: H-COST: [Fwd: Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlocked by Janet Arnold nowavailable] > For those seeking a copy of this book... > > --Charlene > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Nov 29 23:45:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01086 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:45:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11557; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:04:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22792 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:04:01 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22786 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:03:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from savaskan (sdts10-14.znet.net [207.167.66.14]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with SMTP id WAA11205 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:03:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911300603.WAA11205@sd.znet.com> X-Envelope-From: savaskan@sd.znet.com X-Envelope-To: X-Sender: savaskan@sd.znet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:44:52 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: Re: H-COST: Organ pipe pleats - again.... In-Reply-To: <014201bf3aa1$89203c00$0200a8c0@mamabear.stormypetrel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Julie Adams At 01:40 PM 11/29/99 -0600, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" > >I must disagree with you on the stay-taped part as I have a picture of an >extant base that has two rows of stay-taping in it. It is similiar to the >redrawing of a base in Norris's book on Tudor clothing. >Carol Ross >> Maggie wrote: >>The cut of the bases will give you a "pleat" for every seam, and yes, it's >>clear the skirts are not stay-taped (nor is the skirt on every >bases-skirted >>coat--thinking of a rider in the foreground of "Conversion of St Paul"). I think the key is that some skirts are and some aren't. There is a lot of variety in Germans in the early 16th c. Many skirts aren't pleated at all... But to get the "perfect" pleats, the organ pipe pleating in those extant skirts really does work. I''ve seen some pictures of both men and women who have bent knees where the pleats actually follow the bend in the knee and stay "perfect" and some where the pleats fall open. There just isn't a "single" option. My previous point is that you can acheive the organ pipe pleats at the top with just a 4-6" tuck and a few stay tapes that still allow a skirt to flow open... The circle cut tends to cause the pleats do flow down in more even rows. Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 02:27:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19615 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:27:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19250; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 01:45:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08182 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 01:45:40 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (mta4.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.142]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08174 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 01:45:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from pacbell.net ([206.170.68.192]) by mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FM000M9L5I4E0@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:43:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:43:28 +0000 From: Dietmar Subject: H-COST: Re: So what is a Palatine Countess? To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <38431DB0.17E1719E@pacbell.net> Organization: Completely Disorganized MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <19991126030330.21205.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Dietmar Greetings, Valerie wrote: >> Now, if you could explain to this idiot American just how a Palatine Countess >> differs from a regular Countess, she would be eternally in your debt. I'm afraid that 'regular Countess' doesn't fit with German practice. You have to understand that Germany was a collection of tiny duchies, principalities and kingdoms that weren't united until relatively recently. Besides the regular title, there are four titles of Count: Graf - (count) Burggraf - (burgrave) the military governor of a German city (12th and 13th centuries) or a noble ruling a German castle or town and it's surrounding land by hereditary right Landgraf - (landgrave) a German count having a territorial jurisdiction (over a county, of course) Markgraf - (margrave) the military governor of a German border province (or mark/march) or a German noble equivalent in rank to a British marquess Pfalzgraf - (palatine count) a count having jurisdiction over a province or territory related to the palace (hence palatial or palatine) of the Holy Roman Emperor and possessing royal rights and privileges within his domain. These were the Imperial Electors entitled to take part in choosing the Emperor There is still a region in Germany called Rheinland-Pfalz (Rhine Palatinate), named for its ancient role as the realm of the count palatine of the Rhine. Palatine as an adjective can also refer to the Mayor of the Palace, imperial chamberlain or chief minister. Sorry for being wordy and off-topic. :-} Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 02:48:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02846 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:48:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA21353; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:07:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09996 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:07:02 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (mta4.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.142]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA09990 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pacbell.net ([206.170.68.68]) by mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FM00012E6MEPZ@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 01:06:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 01:07:46 +0000 From: Dietmar Subject: H-COST: Re: So what is a Palatine Countess? To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <38432362.4319AE53@pacbell.net> Organization: Completely Disorganized MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <19991126030330.21205.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Dietmar Greetings, Valerie wrote: >> Now, if you could explain to this idiot American just how a Palatine Countess >> differs from a regular Countess, she would be eternally in your debt. I'm afraid that 'regular Countess' doesn't fit with German practice. You have to understand that Germany was a collection of tiny duchies, principalities and kingdoms that weren't united until relatively recently. Besides the regular title, there are four titles of Count: Graf - (count) Burggraf - (burgrave) the military governor of a German city (12th and 13th centuries) or a noble ruling a German castle or town and it's surrounding land by hereditary right Landgraf - (landgrave) a German count having a territorial jurisdiction (over a county, of course) Markgraf - (margrave) the military governor of a German border province (or mark/march) or a German noble equivalent in rank to a British marquess Pfalzgraf - (palatine count) a count having jurisdiction over a province or territory related to the palace (hence palatial or palatine) of the Holy Roman Emperor and possessing royal rights and privileges within his domain. These were the Imperial Electors entitled to take part in choosing the Emperor There is still a region in Germany called Rheinland-Pfalz (Rhine Palatinate), named for its ancient role as the realm of the count palatine of the Rhine. Palatine as an adjective can also refer to the Mayor of the Palace, imperial chamberlain or chief minister. Sorry for being wordy and off-topic. :-} Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 03:40:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06636 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:40:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23426; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:59:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14408 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:58:48 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14400 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:58:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JIY0EUIQK0000O0V@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:58:41 GMT Received: from mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-rf-s1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.198.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JIY0CHY0OY000SJ5@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:54:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-RF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:52:29 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-RF-S1 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:52:07 +1100 Received: from rf_lib_11162 (158.94.198.69) by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:52:01 +1100 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:52:00 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: H-COST: V-back collars In-reply-to: <199911300536.WAA19681@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: teddy1 > - -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com > > 2) What did you do in the back at the neck? You mentioned a V cut, and > if it's what I think you mean, I have never been able to get that to > work/ If you look at paintings showing back views of mens costume in the 15th (and 14th?) century, a lot of them have v neck seams at the back. The stand-collar itself is cut to fit into the neckhole that is v- shaped at the back at the back instead of a rounded scoop like modern collars fit. Some of the outer garments have low (collarless) necklines that are also round at the front and V shaped at the back. I did my first stand-collar fitted into a V-back at the start of the year and found it *so* much easier to fit the collar into the neck-hole with a V shape than with the rounded shape. I also think it gives a nicer shape to the garment at the back of the neck. Hope this helps Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 05:13:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06812 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:13:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26954; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:32:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19831 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:32:11 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19818 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:32:08 -0700 (MST) From: Mayfair13a@aol.com Received: from Mayfair13a@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.713df4b5 (4155) for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:31:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.713df4b5.25750f9b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:31:39 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: where to buy silk socks? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Mayfair13a@aol.com Hi Folks, Just tossing this out there but I've bought silk knee socks in the past at Ski Shops. To be specific "Bob Greenwoods" in Boise, Id. You might give them a try, or any little, more specialized ski shop. Cheers, Pasha _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 05:32:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06825 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:32:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27606; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:51:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21438 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:51:47 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21432 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:51:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from glendar ([203.26.180.130]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA08006 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:55:36 +1100 Message-ID: <03eb01bf3b29$46409a00$a7b41acb@glendar> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: H-COST: Plumes and Furs Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:33:37 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Glenda Robinson" Ben, >Can anyone tell me what is the best way to store real feather plumes >to avoid damage/moths/etc? We just put them on the top shelf of our cupboard, either by themselves, or in a cardboard box (which still allows the feathers to 'breathe', and they don't get musty). This being our reenactment cupboard, also has a huge amount of wool in it. We put an open box of mothballs in the cupboard to keep the beasties away. It works well, but we don't have a moth plague in Sydney. I didn't realise that moths had a 'taste' for feathers too. We'll have to keep out eye out for them. Glenda. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 09:45:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07369 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:45:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18726; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:01:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29780 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:01:29 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vega.utulsa.edu (vega.utulsa.edu [129.244.1.81]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29765 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:01:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from mcfref55 (ref08.utulsa.edu) by vega.utulsa.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with SMTP id <0FM000223PH8QM@vega.utulsa.edu> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:53:32 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:04:29 -0600 From: Marc Carlson Subject: H-COST: Pourpoints - a fully lined, mock-up in damask In-reply-to: <199911292039.NAA22321@net.indra.com> X-Sender: marc-carlson@pop.utulsa.edu To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <3.0.6.32.19991130100429.007a25b0@pop.utulsa.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Marc Carlson >From: Cynthia Barnes >I've done a mock-up in cotton and a 2nd fully lined, mock-up in damask. >(Tho' the gentleman for whom I made it gleefully considers it wearable. Go >figure.) We used a med. weight, black on black rayon/acetate damask. The >garment length was described as "positively indecent" just covering the >posterior; this made it very nice to walk, sit, dance, kneel or run in. We >added in all of the conceits: grande assiette armhole, bombard cuff, >standing collar, 32 buttons CF, 9 buttons/sleeve vents. Sounds very nice. >Some comments: >* Dont use the various pourpoint patterns as given in "Jeanne d'Arc ses >costumes son armeur" (Harmand) w/o serious reflection. Dont. Dont. The >Charles de Blois pattern in History of Costume (Tarrant) is a repro of one >of Harmand's. There are many reasons why I think the patterns in "Jeanne >d'Arc" were the result of a thought experiment and never made up... I'm fairly certain that you are right there. The more I look at it, it seems like it was just intended to show people what the various pattern pieces were, and not intended to be a "real" pattern (much like many of my shoe design pages, as a matter of fact). >* I found that I needed to use light, knitted interfacing (Fusi-knit) to >support the garment in the upperbody as the gentleman would not permit any >padding. The conversation re padding & quilting went something like: I assume he's not planning on using it for armor then. >* The grande assiette sleeve is rather clever. It allows for an amazing >amount of mobility especially considering the skin tight fit. Wow! Someone >on this list mentioned this would happen. I confess I had doubts and now >repent that e'er I did. I noticed this with the Moy Gown and the generally similar sleeve concept. >* Bombard cuffs and sleeve vents - are they supposed to be lined in the >fashion fabric? I did it but it was, again, personal preference (tailor's >vanity) and not for historical reasons. Not having seen the original, I can't say for sure, but if I may speculate, I'll bet they are ARE lined, but in a firmer silk. >Generally, this garment was one of the most interesting tailoring projects >I've ever done. I love the novel cut and the vanity of long cuffs, the V >collar inset at the CB and especially the grande assiette armhole. >Comments? If you would be interested in submitting a photo of it to be put up at my clothing site under "reproductions", I'd love to talk to you about it. Marc _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 12:19:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07610 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:19:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15813; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:37:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13727 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:35:06 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13709 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02895 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:35:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from henk (vp237-14.worldonline.nl [195.241.237.14]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA29319 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:34:58 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <004d01bf3b61$67667e60$0eedf1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <19991126030330.21205.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com> <38431DB0.17E1719E@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: So what is a Palatine Countess? Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:16:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" Hi, > I'm afraid that 'regular Countess' doesn't fit with German practice. You have > to understand that Germany was a collection of tiny duchies, principalities > and kingdoms that weren't united until relatively recently. > > Besides the regular title, there are four titles of Count: > Graf - (count) > Burggraf - (burgrave) the military governor of a German city (12th and 13th > centuries) or a noble ruling a German castle or town and it's surrounding > land by hereditary right > Landgraf - (landgrave) a German count having a territorial jurisdiction > (over a county, of course) > Markgraf - (margrave) the military governor of a German border province > (or mark/march) or a German noble equivalent in rank to a British marquess > Pfalzgraf - (palatine count) a count having jurisdiction over a province or > territory related to the palace (hence palatial or palatine) of the Holy > Roman Emperor and possessing royal rights and privileges within his > domain. These were the Imperial Electors entitled to take part in choosing > the Emperor > > There is still a region in Germany called Rheinland-Pfalz (Rhine Palatinate), > named for its ancient role as the realm of the count palatine of the Rhine. > Palatine as an adjective can also refer to the Mayor of the Palace, imperial > chamberlain or chief minister. > > Sorry for being wordy and off-topic. :-} But very well put! It makes it all clear as springwater. Well done, Dietmar, Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 12:40:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07652 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:40:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19391; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:56:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19520 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:55:59 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19500 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:55:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991130185556.KIPV20526.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:55:56 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:00:12 -0800 Subject: Re: H-COST: Plumes and Furs From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991130185556.KIPV20526.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "R.L. Shep" I am finding that *cedar balls* are a really good way to get away from moth balls. I have been changing over to them for my entire collection. WTO - Just say NO! ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com ---------- >From: "Glenda Robinson" >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: Re: H-COST: Plumes and Furs >Date: Mon, Nov 29, 1999, 9:33 PM > > >-Poster: "Glenda Robinson" > >Ben, > >>Can anyone tell me what is the best way to store real feather plumes >>to avoid damage/moths/etc? > >We just put them on the top shelf of our cupboard, either by themselves, or >in a cardboard box (which still allows the feathers to 'breathe', and they >don't get musty). This being our reenactment cupboard, also has a huge >amount of wool in it. We put an open box of mothballs in the cupboard to >keep the beasties away. It works well, but we don't have a moth plague in >Sydney. I didn't realise that moths had a 'taste' for feathers too. We'll >have to keep out eye out for them. > > > >Glenda. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 13:22:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07785 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:22:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25717; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:39:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00658 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:38:35 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.30]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00626 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:38:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from mai040RS1.lib.ohio-state.edu (mai040rs1.lib.ohio-state.edu [128.146.115.31]) by mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA04724 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:38:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991130144309.006b3b1c@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: mhamilto@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:43:09 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Marsha J. Hamilton" Subject: Re: H-COST: Moth balls In-Reply-To: <03eb01bf3b29$46409a00$a7b41acb@glendar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Marsha J. Hamilton" >We put an open box of mothballs in the cupboard to >keep the beasties away..... ------------------------- My understanding was that moth balls (naptha) can cause or accelerate fabric deterioration. I have also heard the chemicals in moth balls were linked to cancer and that it is recommended to use other anti-beastie methods. There may be a thread on this in the archives but do others know whether moth balls should be a no-no? Especially for delicate historical pieces? Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 13:47:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07830 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:46:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29861; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:04:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06928 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:02:34 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06908 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:02:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19019 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:02:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-42.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.42]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27856 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:02:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <009c01bf3b70$1f54f2a0$19d1fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: References: <384360A8.4EC682F7@flash.net> <001801bf3b59$60efa730$ac350418@C59303A> Subject: Re: H-COST: [Fwd: Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlocked by Janet Arnold nowavailable] Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:18:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Michelle" > For those who's email services DO NOT ALLOW ATTACHMENTS please place the > text of the message in the email and repost. :) > Sincerely, > FHavas Mine accepts attachments. 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(AZ residents, Please tell us your county - we don't have a city to County chart, only the county rates) Sales Tax $______ when required Total (please add options and sales tax to subtotal) , _ , | \ Steve Urbach , | )erek , ____|_/ragonsclaw theducks@greenduck.com , / / / http://www.greenduck.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 14:27:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07904 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:27:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05589; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:44:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17685 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:44:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17651 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:44:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:43:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1F176F2C2977D311B3300090270E637841A484@scl-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: H-COST: re: Pourpoints - a fully lined, mock-up in damask Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:43:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cynthia Barnes Gail Finke said> 1) What do you mean by bombard cuffs? Can't picture it. Funnel shaped or shaped like the bell of a horn. To quote Harmand in translation: "We find that these "bombardes", such as those on the sleeves of elegant pourpoints of 1400, live with our peasants of Perche & Dumois where they are nothing but utilitarian protecting the hands from cold. These long, funnel shaped cuffs of common cloth, extend beyond the fingertips by a few cms. They are attached/closed by buttons. The name of these cuffs is, as it was in the time of Charles VI, bombardes."Out of ignorance, costume historians have often confused the name of the bombardes with the big, open sleeves of the 1st years of the 15th c. The "pourpoints a bombardes" were worn with covered, closed-sleeve robes as well as open-sleeved robes. The term bombarde, applied to this clothing detail, does not come, as Gay and Racinet pretend, from the piece of artillery similarly named, but from the musical instrument "bombarde", due to its bell, of which the flared cuffs recall the form." Gail Finke said> 2) What did you do in the back at the neck? You mentioned a V cut, and if it's what I think you mean, I have never been able to get that to work. I tried the collar pattern cut per A. Harmand's suggestion. This V-cut shows up in a lot of cute little Italian portraits, on statuary (there's a pair of lovely terracottas at the Smithsonian where the seam lines are clearly given.) In Harmand, there is a CB seam in the collar/inset halves. There a sharp "dog leg" in the seam at the radical change in direction at the base of the neck. I didnt get it to work either, tho' I think it could. On the Smithsonian terracottas there is a CB seam in the body, but not in the V-inset. The standing collar is separate. (Tourist note: this winter, when I go back I plan to look again. This time to take pictures & better notes. I really hope they were part of the permanent exhibit.) Gail Finke said> 3) If you were to pad the front, how would you do it? Gracefully. If you're asking by what means: quilting.to keep the layers in place thru wear, cleaning & abuse. There is clear evidence for this from reciepts & surviving garments. If you're asking what materials, I would probably use layers of scrap Warm & Natural quilt batt as I have alot lying around. I use this, torn in half to make it thinner, for millinery projects. I would use cotton knowing that the pair of gentlemen for whom I'm making these intend to be dancing. The originals appear , from the citations, to be stuffed w/ goat or sheep wool, silk "wool" or cotton "wool". There are clear directions in Harmand for doing the quilted layers between layers of woven stuff which appear to correspond to contemporary reciepts for e.g. "For fabric & fashioning of 2 pourpoints [for] MdS in his city of Bruges in order to go to Holland to be [done] in black fustian, the one in 4 quarters and of 5 fabric layers, the other "a grandes assiettes" in 3 layers; for each one XLs". FWIW, uncarded, unspun, washed cotton or wool was used in quilts until very recently. The quilting has to be very close to keep the quilt batt from shiffing & clumping. Cin said>> the gentleman would not permit any padding. Marc C said>I assume he's not planning on using it for armor then. No, he's not. Dancing principly. And decorative value at some SCA thing that I dont understand. --cin Cynthia Barnes 408.570.1023 Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com Phoenix Technologies 411 E. Plumeria Dr. San Jose CA 95134 "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 14:36:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07950 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:36:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07194; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:53:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20194 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:53:43 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20171 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:53:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:53:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1F176F2C2977D311B3300090270E637841A489@scl-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: H-COST: re: Pourpoints - a fully lined, mock-up in damask Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:53:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cynthia Barnes MaggiRos>No advice, only a request. There will be detail pictures, I hope! I'm dying to see what this armhole is, since I missed whatever earlier discussion there may have been. Marc C said>If you would be interested in submitting a photo of it to be put up at my clothing site under "reproductions", I'd love to talk to you about it. Marc C has the Charles de Blois pattern on his site. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/5923/cloth/blois.html It has the "grandes assiettes" armhole design. As for the one I made, it's black on black damask. A combination notorious for being hard to photograph & worse to digitize. I see if I can get him to suit up & hold still in daylight. Marc, I did promise you I'd refine the Harmand pourpoint translation, too. I'm working it. Albeit slowly. That reminds me. I need a cleaner copy of footnote 7, pg 114 and proper bibliographic info for the volume that you've faxed me. I've not done the mysterious "powder in pourpoints" section, the pretentious dig at Racinet, or the last 3 pages of speculation. Still want it? As is? --cin Cynthia Barnes 408.570.1023 Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com Phoenix Technologies 411 E. Plumeria Dr. San Jose CA 95134 "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 15:11:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08050 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:11:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12975; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:29:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00534 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:28:49 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00519 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:28:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:28:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1F176F2C2977D311B3300090270E637841A4B7@scl-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: H-COST: V-back collars/pourpoints Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:28:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Cynthia Barnes Teddy said >If you look at paintings showing back views of mens costume in the 15th (and 14th?) century, a lot of them have v neck seams at the back. The stand-collar itself is cut to fit into the neckhole that is v-shaped at the back at the back instead of a rounded scoop like modern collars fit. Some of the outer garments have low (collarless) necklines that are also round at the front and V shaped at the back. I'm not clear on what you're describing. Do you have a shallow V collar only? Is there a big-V inset & little V collar? Do you use a single piece for the garment back or is there a CB seam up to the V? The V-collar+inset that I copied from Harmand is about 5-6" from top of collar to the point of the V seamline. How deep is the V you're describing? Thanks for the reassurances, --cin Cynthia Barnes 408.570.1023 Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com Phoenix Technologies 411 E. Plumeria Dr. San Jose CA 95134 "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 15:55:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08130 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:55:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19836; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:12:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11782 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:12:14 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11759 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:12:10 -0700 (MST) From: Appin1@aol.com Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.1d3d1f83 (4331) for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:11:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.1d3d1f83.2575a593@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:11:31 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: RE: Costume and Character in the Age of Ingres. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Appin1@aol.com Cindy-- Thanks for the information. That's very odd, since everyone at the Met bookstore told me there was no catalogue and the bookstore didn't have one. Since you can't find it at Amazon or Barnes & Noble, maybe it doesn't really exist. Hmmm. I intend to write to the honchos at the Met to try to find out what happened. Kathleen Norvell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 19:07:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08611 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:07:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17868; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:25:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29027 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:25:06 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp5.gateway.net (relaya.gateway.net [208.230.117.249]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29016 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:25:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer (1Cust97.tnt10.princess-anne.va.da.uu.net [63.14.246.97]) by smtp5.gateway.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA05504 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:25:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <009d01bf3b9b$9c437720$94a2193f@oemcomputer> From: "Joel Thompson" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: The Messenger/movies Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:30:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id SAA29021 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Joel Thompson" It seems like many of you here on the list seem to disapprove of the costumes in many movies, including most recently, _The Messenger_. May I respectfully request that instead of just making blanket negative statements, perhaps it would better serve everyone on the list if we were more specific and give real reasons why a particular article was or wasn't correct. References to good books and websites are always welcome. I, like many others here, am a novice costumer/historian. Every day I try to improve upon my knowledge base, and this list is a very valuable tool for doing so. I very much enjoy the comments and information shared by everyone, but IMHO it serves no real purpose to just flatly dismiss something just because "I heard it was awful". Another observation: I've often gotten the impression in different movies that the costumes may not be correct for the time that is being portrayed, but perhaps were perfectly acceptable in and of themselves. In other words, "good costume, wrong movie". Yes, No? Thanks for your knowledge, comments and opinions. After all, it's why we're all here. :o) Respectfully, Linda going back to Lurkdom now! :o) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 21:39:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08819 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:39:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05086; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:57:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23286 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:57:16 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23270 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:57:13 -0700 (MST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.4d863fe0 (4204) for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:56:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.4d863fe0.2575f675@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:56:37 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: The Messenger/movies To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 11/30/1999 8:27:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, sleipnir@gateway.net writes: << In other words, "good costume, wrong movie". Yes, No? >> This is a perfect description of "Bram Stoker's Dracula" _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 21:52:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08848 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:52:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06551; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:11:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25566 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:11:01 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.sdca.home.com [24.0.3.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25560 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.0.170.52]) by lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991201041059.PAPG11592.lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com@home.com> for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:10:59 -0800 Message-ID: <38449DE9.1368D460@home.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:02:50 -0800 From: Russell Hedges Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Moth balls References: <3.0.3.32.19991130144309.006b3b1c@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Russell Hedges "Marsha J. Hamilton" wrote: > > -Poster: "Marsha J. Hamilton" > > >We put an open box of mothballs in the cupboard to > >keep the beasties away..... > ------------------------- > > There may be a thread on this in the archives but do others > know whether moth balls should be a no-no? Especially for > delicate historical pieces? Thanks. > I was told that moths go for clothing that has not been cleaned. A dry cleaning before storage would therefore be sufficient to protect clothing from the ravages of moths. I cannot tell you where I heard that. Does anyone know if it's true? I have been relying on it for a while now. I hope it's right. Russell Hedges _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 22:05:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08865 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:05:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08476; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:23:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27812 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:23:44 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.va.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.va.home.com [24.2.32.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27805 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:23:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from C59303A ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc1.va.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991201042341.IPPN13243.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@C59303A> for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:23:41 -0800 Message-ID: <00a201bf3c18$704fc1a0$ac350418@C59303A> From: "Ches" To: References: <009d01bf3b9b$9c437720$94a2193f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: H-COST: The Messenger/movies Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:23:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Ches" I applaud your efforts with this email. I am really tired of the generic, "Oh now that was just atrocious, I am proud of myself....blah blah blah...." and then give NO reference from where they speak. As an illumnor I can speak that the armor was right on. The armor patterns were most definitely taken from the illuminations of the period, specifically the ones about these very battles and of her. Most of these are in very public collections through out France for all to see. If one can stand to stay to the end there is a very long listing of the museums where you can send off for these depictions. The costumes similarly were also taken from many of these illuminations. I am not fond of the style but that gives me no right to say that it is not from that specific short time frame or that it was atrocious. I have an ugly high forehead myself and I hate it. :) Sincerely, FHavas Dallas, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Thompson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 7:30 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: The Messenger/movies > > -Poster: "Joel Thompson" > > > It seems like many of you here on the list seem to disapprove of the costumes in many movies, including most recently, _The Messenger _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 22:15:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08875 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:15:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09689; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:33:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29273 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:33:04 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29264 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from antiquity.pbc.adelphia.net (1Cust220.tnt9.west-palm-beach.fl.da.uu.net [63.15.146.220]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA03217 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:32:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002401bf3bb5$e552ee40$dc920f3f@pbc.adelphia.net> From: "Erica D. Pence" To: References: <009d01bf3b9b$9c437720$94a2193f@oemcomputer> <00a201bf3c18$704fc1a0$ac350418@C59303A> Subject: H-COST: Snaps Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:38:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Erica D. Pence" When did snaps come into play for clothing and accessories? General time frame is fine. I am just too tired to look into myself and thought maybe someone knows off the top of their head. It's not important, just curious. Thanks Erica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 22:20:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08884 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:20:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10206; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:37:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29970 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:37:23 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA29960 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:37:16 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:37:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 4073 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1999 04:37:01 -0000 Received: from 94.64.3-6.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (HELO JOANJURA) (207.231.64.94) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 1999 04:37:01 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19991130203641.3afff822@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: Re: H-COST: Moth balls Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Joan M Jurancich At 08:02 PM 11/30/99 -0800, Russell Hedges wrote: > >-Poster: Russell Hedges >> >> -Poster: "Marsha J. Hamilton" >> >> >We put an open box of mothballs in the cupboard to >> >keep the beasties away..... >> ------------------------- > >> There may be a thread on this in the archives but do others >> know whether moth balls should be a no-no? Especially for >> delicate historical pieces? Thanks. >> > >I was told that moths go for clothing that has not been cleaned. A dry >cleaning before storage would therefore be sufficient to protect >clothing from the ravages of moths. > >I cannot tell you where I heard that. Does anyone know if it's true? I >have been relying on it for a while now. I hope it's right. > >Russell Hedges A good cleaning will remove any eggs, larvae, and moths that may be in the items before you store them. But that won't necessarily prevent them from being re-infected. One friend of mine who had a nasty infestation of carpet beetles (which also eat anything animal or vegetable) cleans everything and then stores them in large zip-lock bags with as much air as possible pressed out as you close the bags. You can buy large storage bags designed to let you exhaust the air using your vacuum cleaner. Storing things in partial vacuum also helps by killing off the pests by suffocating them. It's the technique used in museums when they find that a chair or other furniture is infested with wood-boring insects; they enclose the piece in a large plastic bag and then exhaust the air, allowing the bag to basically shrink-wrap the wooden piece. Then they store it for a year or so to allow the infesting critters to die; it's the only way to ensure that you get them all. I get things clean and then put them in a trunk with camphor. It's worked so far and camphor definitely smells better than moth balls. Just be certain *not* to put things in plastic wrappers of any sort if you use moth balls. I also use the freeze-thaw-freeze-thaw method to kill off any little pests without using chemicals. Those of you in the far north or at higher altitudes have a larger area to use , I'm limited by the size of my freezer but you can use a backyard clothes line or unheated storage shed. For my wool blankets, I put them dry(!) in my clothes dryer on high heat for 30 minutes or so. The dry heat doesn't hurt the blankets, but kills the pests, and the tumbling beats out any dirt and fluffs up the blankets nicely. Sorry I got carried away.... Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 22:29:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08901 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:29:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11413; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:47:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01853 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:47:15 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01801 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id PAA14571 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:16:30 +1030 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA00890; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:23:52 +1030 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:23:45 +1030 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Snaps In-Reply-To: <002401bf3bb5$e552ee40$dc920f3f@pbc.adelphia.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Erica D. Pence wrote: > > -Poster: "Erica D. Pence" > > When did snaps come into play for clothing and accessories? General time > frame is fine. I am just too tired to look into myself and thought maybe > someone knows off the top of their head. It's not important, just curious. > I'm not really sure, but I think it may have been the early 20th century. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 22:37:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08911 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:37:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12201; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:56:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03050 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:56:09 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03039 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:56:07 -0700 (MST) From: M311@aol.com Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.c7b0078b (4339) for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:55:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.c7b0078b.25760441@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:55:29 EST Subject: H-COST: frog closures To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: M311@aol.com Does anyone know when frog closures came into being used? My daughter asked today why they are called frog closures and I realized that I don't really know. Does anyone know? Kelly m311@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 22:40:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08917 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:40:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12573; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:59:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03459 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:58:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03453 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:58:54 -0700 (MST) From: Fopdejour1@aol.com Received: from Fopdejour1@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 6.0.175e8a3a (3936) for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:58:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.175e8a3a.257604e4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:58:12 EST Subject: Re: H-COST: frog closures To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Fopdejour1@aol.com In a message dated 12/1/99 4:56:32 AM !!!First Boot!!!, M311@aol.com writes: << Does anyone know when frog closures came into being used? My daughter asked today why they are called frog closures and I realized that I don't really know. Does anyone know? Kelly m311@aol.com >> I don't know when they first came into use, but I do know they were in existance in the 16th cent, and I am pretty sure earlier then that. Chas _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Nov 30 22:42:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08921 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:42:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12865; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:00:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03757 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:00:49 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from raq.dnsworld.de ([212.98.68.31]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03747 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:00:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from default (dialin-237.aachen.okay.net [194.117.250.237]) by raq.dnsworld.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA03072 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 06:00:45 +0100 Message-Id: <199912010500.GAA03072@raq.dnsworld.de> From: "Marquis de Kipar" Organization: L'Age d'Or To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 06:01:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: Plumes and Furs Priority: normal In-reply-to: <46b84s4ekhhnol1ov5a5lp5l33rl7ho3b3@4ax.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Marquis de Kipar" Hello list, Ben was so nice to ask the below question, but I've subscribed now too. And I asked because I got real plumes, in contrast to the ones one usually gets, but had suddenly found out to my utter dismay and shock that obviously moths had eaten away on the plumes (fortunately not the expensive real ones) on my hat, although I have never seen a moth around here in the house. > >>Can anyone tell me what is the best way to store real feather plumes > >>to avoid damage/moths/etc? > >We just put them on the top shelf of our cupboard, either by themselves, or > >in a cardboard box (which still allows the feathers to 'breathe', and they > >don't get musty). Errm, I don't have cupboards or wardrobes. Maybe to wrap them in fine paper could work too? Would it help to use a lavender sachet wrapped up within the paper? I didn't realise that moths had a 'taste' for feathers too. We'll > >have to keep out eye out for them. Apparently they have, I didn't know that either until I found my feathers eaten away. Does someone know if the long straps of anti- moth paper help too without being dangerous for the fine fabrics or delicate feathers? I read too, BTW, that mothballs could be dangerous, but I have no proof for this. Anyone had good results with the lavender sachets? Thanks Nicole ************************ N. Kipar Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs French and English Baroque http://www.kipar.org/ *Vel Exuviae Triumphant* *Triumphant Even In Adversity* marquis@kipar.org _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Dec 1 00:12:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09077 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:12:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19366; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:30:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15841 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:30:05 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vega.utulsa.edu (vega.utulsa.edu [129.244.1.81]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15819 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from utulsa.edu (Rppp2-14.net.utulsa.edu) by vega.utulsa.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with ESMTP id <0FM100AIBU1YCM@vega.utulsa.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:30:01 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 12:27:47 -0600 From: Marc Carlson Subject: H-COST: re: Pourpoints - a fully lined, mock-up in damask To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <384568A3.4C2D6D84@utulsa.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199912010459.VAA03524@net.indra.com> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Marc Carlson owner-h-costume-digest@indra.com wrote: > > h-costume-digest Tuesday, 30 November 1999 Volume 04 : Number 817 > From: Cynthia Barnes > Marc, I did promise you I'd refine the Harmand pourpoint translation, too. > I'm working it. Albeit slowly. That reminds me. I need a cleaner copy of > footnote 7, pg 114 and proper bibliographic info for the volume that you've > faxed me. I've not done the mysterious "powder in pourpoints" section, the > pretentious dig at Racinet, or the last 3 pages of speculation. Still want > it? As is? I'll wait until you are finished. I'll have to dig out the page you need from this pile of mess around here. Lemme get back to you. Marc _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Dec 1 01:27:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09139 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:27:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23040; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:46:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23782 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:45:38 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chupacabras.flash.net (chupacabras.flash.net [209.30.2.16]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23777 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:45:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (p152.amax3.dialup.hou1.flash.net [209.30.64.152]) by chupacabras.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23765 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:45:35 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3844D1ED.460C7E4C@flash.net> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 01:44:45 -0600 From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: [Fwd: Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlocked by Janet Arnold nowavailable] References: <384360A8.4EC682F7@flash.net> <001801bf3b59$60efa730$ac350418@C59303A> <009c01bf3b70$1f54f2a0$19d1fea9@gunsafes> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Charlene Charette Michelle wrote: > > For those who's email services DO NOT ALLOW ATTACHMENTS please place the > > text of the message in the email and repost. :) > > Sincerely, > > FHavas > Mine accepts attachments. Here ya go! > Michelle Thanks for reposting the notice. I didn't realize that selecting "forward message" send it as an attachment. I'll make sure I use "quote message" in the future. --Charlene -- A Pragmatist is: Someone who doesn't see a glass half empty or half full -- just twice as damn big as it needs to be! --Gary Tolbert _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Dec 1 06:45:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14810 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 06:45:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09396; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 06:03:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20937 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 06:02:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20932 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 06:02:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.171.230.181] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11t9PJ-0001Dc-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 05:02:53 -0800 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 04:58:45 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: frog closures In-Reply-To: <0.175e8a3a.257604e4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Look to China or Japan for the history. The Mongols also used these closures. I don't know the timelines, however. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Dec 1 07:19:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14849 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:19:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11469; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 06:38:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24995 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 06:38:19 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA24983 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 06:38:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991201133815.OCYC7535.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 05:38:15 -0800 Message-ID: <38452072.80DAFFFB@home.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 07:19:46 -0600 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Plumes and Furs References: <199912010500.GAA03072@raq.dnsworld.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Kat & Kent Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that cedar balls (or blocks or chips) that are sanded occasionally to 'freshen' them, work as moth repellents. Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Dec 1 07:54:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14871 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:54:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13895; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:13:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29385 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:13:11 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from colquitt.sccsi.com (darren.bolding.org [207.90.208.114] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29373 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:13:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.207.56.22] (58-138.netwurx.net [209.207.58.138]) by colquitt.sccsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03112 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 08:13:05 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: melanie@pop.faucet.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3842CBEE.EA9C9FF9@mediaone.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 08:15:07 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: H-COST: where to buy silk socks?--thanks Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com -Poster: Melanie Schuessler Thank you to all who have sent suggestions regarding a silk sock source. When I called WinterSilks they claimed not to have anything like this in stock, but since others have been more successful, I will call again. Thanks! Melanie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME